Micro 444 molliegeddon [OVER]

[mastin2]

Ooh, it's open, now!

Well, we're in for a flurry of posting, lest someone undermine my efforts.

[mastin2]

Oh. Right. Probably need to actually formally confirm. Don't wanna sabotage efforts to get the game underway.

Soyeah,
/confirm.

Winter is coming

.

[mastin2]

there's plenty of good ones around here, etl. i'm sure you'll find one to suit your preferences.

No love for me?

I feel so cold...

[mastin2]

Also, ETL and Varsoon are town.
Let's wreck the scumteam. (And not get destroyed by them.)

Also, also, let's please not let apathy incapacitate us down the line.

[mastin2]

(On a somewhat-serious note, it actually IS kinda cold at my house. I'm shivering, and while that's partially out of the adrenaline rush, it's largely out of it being, well...cold.)

Butyeah, don't think this storm of posting is gonna slow down for a while.
...Okay, weekend, so it might, but I'd love if it didn't. Keeps me from freezing, and all that.

[mastin2]

How many people have confirmed?
'Cause I kinda don't want to stop the momentum we've got and there's stuff that needs doing.

[mastin2]

lol how am i town already mastin

You're town for the same reason Varsoon, TSO, and Flubber all are!

[mastin2]

(Konowa's a maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe, but it's too hard to tell for sure.)

[mastin2]

p-edit posting is not a towntell!

It is when you know what you're looking for.

(Not sure if I gave you that lesson or not, but I *think* I did, soooooooooooooooooooooooo, you may or may not know why, but, uh...if you do, then you know what I'm seeing; if you don't, then just trust me when I say I'm seeing something?)

[mastin2]

can we all drunken party tonight in the game thread?

Well, I'm a teetotaler, but I can do tiredposting! (Especially with family over.)

(Also, yeah, might be a mistake, but definitely thinking Konowa's town right now.)

[mastin2]

Just counted. Pretty sure 7/9 have confirmed, sooooooooooooooooooo...

DGB is a modified jester. Her wincon isn't to get lynched, but to spread as much confusion as possible before leaving the game, laughing.

If everyone I called town is actually town, then by POE, it must be Kaboose and the Lying Cats.
And let's face it, the Lying Cats are always scum (even when they're not), but I owe them the formality of a post to defend themselves!

Vote: Kaboose

.

[mastin2]

It makes me sad that some people in this game have to be scum. Imagine a game where, instead of infiltration, the mod simply announced on page 3 everyone was town and we continued to dance and frolic as we've been doing.

Ask to play in an istott-modded game.

WHAT? NEVER MASTIN?

I'm the most klutzy person in the world naturally, whose grasp of social conventions is already weak and whose thoughts are always partially impaired anyways.

I don't need no alcohol to do those stuffs. I do them all the time.

(Don't wanna ruin the mood with the actual serious reason.)

[mastin2]

:hug mastin!:
you're awesome

You're aweoner!

...That's totally a word.

[mastin2]

I just realized this game's gonna have a serious problem.

Normally, we have this thing. Where if a player lives past their expiration date, they're gonna be scum.

But in the worst-case scenario, we only get two nightkills before lylo.

...And I can think of at least three if not four players that mantra applies to.

[mastin2]

what is my expiration date

ETL? Going bad?

Perish the thought!

(N1, totally. )

[mastin2]

Who does this apply to, mastin?

As a start, ETL, DGB, and me (though maybe not so much in my case, for ~reasons~, sadly), but there's also TSO who I'd expect to die. (Because TSO always dies as town. I don't think I've ever been in a game where he didn't die via nightkill.)

LC's 50/50 in that regard, too; they're someone who can die as town, and whose continued presence among the living raises alarm bells in, albeit not to the same extent.

[mastin2]

i always kill tso.

So do I. (Why else do you think I knew it was

you

? )

[mastin2]

/confirm
Egopost
~ETL

ITT we learn that ETL's already cracked open a bottle or two to not realize she's already hydraslipped.

[mastin2]

Vote: Lying Cat

.

I'm not sure I wanna ruin the mood by giving you my serious thoughts or not, so in the mean time, enjoy this!

[mastin2]

Hmm...hoe 'bout some cryptic drunken ramblings, then?

Party time, party time, fun for all around,
'Cetp for when the scum are to be found.
Niggles of doubt for then smallest of the things,
And feelings that are then left some conflicting.

More broken inglesh than actual drunkenes, though.

[mastin2]

D'ohj. Just realized that most likely, drunken peoplle don't rhym that well.
I'm too sober.

Let's try this again!

Funny, funny, dayus abiout,
Frolic, frloic, fridns again,
Witty banter, freat exchange,
Scum're enemies of the mood.

But the bout left the worry,
And I suck I am so sorry.
Harder not to rhym than to,
Because so ingrained in me.

But back to the story,
One wrong word is enough,
One right way is a thing,
And left me feelin a spinning!

(I'm never going to get it all out there. )

[mastin2]

mastin - like, LC is always a great vote but I don't wanna kick them out today. Kaboose is not being himself though, so that's always a good sign of scum.

Don't go all serious on me.

You're supposed to be drunken, not sober.

[mastin2]

On the one nahd, I don't want to say anymore. (For multiple reasons.)
On the other hand, I'm afraid if I don't then I'll forgetr my thoughts since my notes are probably too cryptic even for me.

But, uhh...stuff bells. And votes. Key everything.

(Maybe better?)

[mastin2]

and you know LC should be easy to figure out after some poking.

What do you think the vote is?

[mastin2]

omg mastin go write your posts in a PT or QT or something. i don't speak this language

Well, I would if I had one, but I don't, and I'm not exactly gonna get one this game. :/

Stuff is a substitute word for another word that if I said it would give the entire thing away. Bells is referring to a separate thing loosely tied to the stuff, emphasis 'loosely'.

[mastin2]

I

half

agree with ETL. One of my cryptic thingies actually makes direct reference to this, in fact.

There's more to it, though, than that.

[mastin2]

wait that was actually a thing

That actually explains quite a bit.

I think I have some solid thoughts.

[mastin2]

Yes, I do have thoughts.
I'll say Kaboose is town.
Not sure I want to say the others, though.

[mastin2]

I'm waiting for something before I say anything.

[mastin2]

More stuff has transpired that I want to comment on but fear actually saying.

[mastin2]

Mastin I'm getting rather tired of "I don't want to post yet" blah blah. Do or don't, but repeatedly hinting about it is stupid.

Well, the notes aren't for

you

; they're for

me

.

They mark important events that I have commentary on, but don't want to give said commentary yet.

I'm town hated and putting me at L-1 is the same as hammering me.

I hate the mods because you were my strongest townread.

So, uhh...be very obvtown and hope that you're so dang annoying to the scum they nightkill you? (Just be aware I'll be vieing for the same honor. )

[mastin2]

*Clarification: Kaboose was my strongest townread before he sprung the hated claim.

He's an even stronger townread now, it's just that I hate the mods' guts for making it so that Kaboose has to be dead before lylo.

[mastin2]

If kaboose needs to be policy lynched I think it should be done tomorrow.

I thought that went without saying. And not immediately tomorrow, either. Only after we've used most of the deadline and give FoSes on who the scum are. (Because if Kaboose is alive on D2 with no dead scum, then we can't risk votes. It'd only take two townies voting a town player for it to potentially be game over: scum hammer, scum if not interfered with get a kill in, scum vote Kaboose, game over.)

[mastin2]

vengeful townie is a day action that is why it is revealed on

the day that it happened and not the morning after. hint: a vengefull is not a morning after pill.

Okay, who's the idiot that asked?

[mastin2]

Well, then, question still stands, now, doesn't it?

[mastin2]

None, but I might as well as be--family';s here, so you mnow what that means!

[mastin2]

family';s here, so you mnow what that means!

satanic ritual? that's one of my family faves

No, no.
That's my

other

family. We don that stuff all the time.
This family, though, I'ma on my best behavior so no ritualistic sacrifices here.


(Semi-serious, btw. While MS.net has been close to me, the other online community I'm a part of I consider to be a second family. And there we crack jokes all the time about ;emn.)

[mastin2]

Oh! You saw my new signature!

Actually, no. That's just what I always think of you.

But seriously, you completely fool

a

the living

town and murder

them

their most competent players

all several times, and they never let you live it down.

For the fact, yes.

But don't worry, I'm planning on getting us nightkilled this game, so...

Get in line.

But you do realize that you're going to default to scumreading me pretty damn soon.

ETL might.
But me?
The only reason I have to scumread you is

that I'm not scumreading you

. And that scares me.

This thread needs more Cat.

What? You can never have too many cats. And everyone knows that cats are, inherently, instinctive liars. So you can never have too much of Lying Cat!

Generally, thoughts are supposed to be abstract.

My abstract is other people's reality. My reality is other people's abstract.

You've played with me a lot; I'd have thought you'd have figured that out by now.

[mastin2]

Somebody post another 20 pages so I can have more catching up to do.

Only so m,uch I can do when people want to be all super serious and watnot. I'm already inflating my postcount artificially rather a lot by my content-dodges!

Mastin, can we hydra and get scum?

Hydra, yes.
Get scum, I wish.

[mastin2]

(BTW, my comment about abstract/reality is actually...well, really, really true all things considered. For instance, the contrast between the physical reality of my body and the abstract truthfulness of myself, as seen partially online but only fully in my head.)

[mastin2]

The cat doesn't lie. He detects lies.

Takes one to know one!

[mastin2]

I don't do lines. I go first, because I'm bigger and I can push my way to the front. Lines are for lesser people.

Okay, to be fair, you've got a lot in your credit.

Still doesn't mean we can't compete!

[mastin2]

Okay, I'm going to bed for real this time.

It's oonly 1 am!

Come tiredpost with me...

[mastin2]

apparently you can only have 12 smilies per post. that's bullshit.

I NO, RITE?>?

[mastin2]

(Guess who uses a ton? )

Also,

Unvote: Lying Cat

.

I did NOT mean to leave my vote on there for a whole day. They were town during my exchange with them I think it was this Friday. I just didn't want to unvote without revoting, and I didn't want to show my hand by showing my vote.

[mastin2]

I am going to claim.
I am the Heaven and Hell hydra with kuribo.
I am a 1-shot Gladiator.
Anyone pisses me off, and we can go one on one.
Volunteers?

Starting to think our hydras weren't randomized.

I got MY mollie hydra. (It'd be ironic, but very very sad, if DGB and I entered into a duel, because she is very, very likely town.)

[mastin2]

I think I remember thinking DBG was Scum before I went to work?

Vote: DrippingGoofball

Konowa

may

be scum, but it's not an absolute thing.

[mastin2]

I don't see Gladiator being a scumrole at all in the slightest whatsoever.

I do.
*coughANYTHINGGOEScough*

...FOR THIS GAME, though, I don't think she is. But that's off of play, not claim.

[mastin2]

mastin, how is mastin town?

Because I am?

Now if you want to ask ETL that question, go ahead and ask her.

[mastin2]

See, that's weird cause I think Flubber's town.

So do I.

However, I also hold the apparently-unpopular opinion Varsoon is, too.

I want to explain, but I'm not sure I should.

[mastin2]

mastin- you ready to get in the game yet?

Ready to be serious, yes.

Ready to be in the game fully, not so much. Not only am I not sure I want to, but even if I was...I'm not sure I'd be able to. There's notes, and markers for me, and it's helped; I can still read my contrived, convoluted thoughts (and there's more to come), and they're crystal clear in my mind, but I'm not sure I can actually bring them out into words.

Can vote Konowa, though. Just not sure if I really actually want to *quite* yet.

[mastin2]

@Mastin:

Why is Flubber town? Why are you reading Flubber as town? How do you interpret my interaction with Flubber (starting at post 295)? How do you feel about Flubber not sharing info on a scum-read on Drunken Lies (as it is incongruous with how Flubber has engaged with all other scumreads so far this game)?

Flubber's town 'cause of contrast with previous game along with gutfeelings about his general...well, ~aura~. He just

seems

town. I think you're also town, and that your exchange with Flubber was very much two town players getting engaged.

And meh on the last one.

[mastin2]

Also, Flubber was town by me in the RVS basically. I forget where, exactly, but Flubber set off immediate townvibes to me, in stark contrast to his play elsewhere.

[mastin2]

Considering your tight-lipped play so far what made this so essential to explain?

Loosening of my lips?

[mastin2]

Jingle - you're not playing your town game.

Preeeeeetty sure he is.

(Yes, I'm back here. I'm sorry. I've had life, and the only place I've been checking daily is the theme park for obvious reasons. I just haven't been able to make time for this game.)

[mastin2]

You and Varsoon scum, the rest town. I thought I made that stance rather clear.

Honestly, pretty dang surprised people haven't figured out my reads.

I need to do that sooner or later, though, 'cause even though I'm remembering them, and yes still mostly believe them, the problem is that if I don't post them soon enough, then my entire motivation to play the game

at all

will die.

But, uh...they're there. I can probably say them, just need time to compile them coherently. Like, they're there in my head, but my head's...well, focused on all the stuff in my life right now that's going poorly. (I've been getting a bit bitter and disinterested in things. Like, as just one example, I had a sliver of a good thing happen to me today amongst the mountain of bad, and said thing I explained on my blog...but I did so dispassionately. It was cold, it was...well, if it was a mafia game, I'd have lynched myself on suspicion of being scum. And that's for something that I was super-enthusiastic with, at least in theory. I just...couldn't describe it that well. It superficially felt like I was, but the more I look at it, the more it feels halfhearted. And that's what I kinda feel like right now on this game, too. :/)

Definitely not tonight, but I'll see if I can do something tomorrow.
Can catch up tonight, though.

[mastin2]

Jesus, sthar, Jingle, how are you townreading this thing?

I stopped answering to 'Jesus' about this time last year.

But my read on Varsoon is just general ~feels~, with a side of *stuff*.

...So not much. It's been too long since I've played with V. I remember him being like this as town, I remember him faking it as scum, I don't remember the details, but that general ~feels~ plus stuff is enough that he's someone I wouldn't want to lynch D1. Good, say, cop or whatnot target. The type of player less likely to be figured out by play and more likely to be figured out by interactions, be it player or role, if that makes sense.

[mastin2]

Fuckit.

Mastin, you'd know better than I would.

Yes, yes I would.
VOTE: Drunken Lies.

Has ETL ever been this sure of your alignment as town before?

Closest I can remember off the top of my head is Sabotage...and even then, it was different.

This has been the read I've been holding since the beginning.
I hated ETL's question to DGB about DGB's reads.
I hated ETL's Flubber scumread when it was there.
I hated ETL's townread of me without a lick of paranoia. Townreading me, sure, yeah. Townreading me

that strongly

, no. The "why mastin is town" completely missed most of the

actual

markers for why I'd be town, too. (Thus, faking it, not legit.) And if memory serves me, had some that were nulltells, not towntells, listed as towntells when they shouldn't have been.
I hated her buddying of me.

It's all felt extremely manipulative.

Like, I've placed markers at various points, and each of those markers was basically marking a spot where I wanted to say, "This is something that is making me feel worse about ETL".

I lack the eloquent words. This is...vastly inadequate. I really, really need to reword it. To start from the beginning, to describe it. Why I've felt she's been scum for quite some time. But yes. She's my strongest scumread. I simply...haven't seen anything from her indicating she was town. What I

have

seen is, multiple times, markers indicating that she's trying to manipulate people, that she's looking good with her words, but that they just don't feel like they're, well...genuine. They have the Antihero feeling rather than the Sabotage feeling.

I really wish I could explain this better right now.
But this is one of the reasons I townread you. (I didn't like her push on you and I loved your push on her.)
It's one of the reasons I townread Flubber.
She's just...not been town.

[mastin2]

Oh!

Then there's the fact that there's the complete lack of mind meld.

If ETL were town, I'd expect our thoughts to be easily synching.
They haven't been.

For instance, her reason for townreading DGB? "That role couldn't POSSIBLY be scum!"
(Yes, yes it could.)
My reason?

Because I really, really liked DGB's play for being town.

She should have seen the paranoia coming, and yet, not a lick of it has appeared in the thread of her knowing that I was.
She's simply...not thinking like I am, right now.

[mastin2]

I remember thinking mastin town decades ago, but that needs to be refreshed.

I'm town.

Refreshed.

If you insist, though, like on the early pages, I could always dip into the arctic winds of a snowy freezer and pull out a nice cold drink for ya.

[mastin2]

there is zero trust. paranoia and conf bias are DETRIMENTS to scum hunting, not assets. catching scum requires you to observe from all possible points of view.

"catching scum requires you to observe from all possible points of view".
"paranoia is detrimental to scumhunting".

[mastin2]

actually mastin is probably scum given such an early reversal when the crowd is moving towards me. that was pretty damn opportunistic.

FUCK that bullshit.
I had my read before TSO.
I had my read before Lying Cat.
Fuck, I had my read on you about the time Flubber first had his.
And I had it only a little

after

DGB.

My read. First. I can point to all the posts where I all-but-explicitly say it, and those posts come WAY FUCKING BEFORE any of the other damn people's suspicion on you.

They copied ME, not the other way around, whether they realized it or not.
I might not have said the suspicion, but it was there.

And you damn-well KNOW it was.
You know how my mind operates.
You KNOW how I leave my trails.
You KNOW that I hint, that I leave my thoughts obscure and vague when having a read that I don't like to admit to.
Who the fuck else would that have been other than

you

?

[mastin2]

Why do all of mastin's posts come off as a blatant pr soft like we're not in a role madness game.

I wouldn't have the slightest idea.

I mean, I

have

softed pretty damn heavily what I am in a few key areas easily identifiable to those in-the-know, but they make up only about, if I had to guess, a third of my posting, not all of it.

[mastin2]

Actually, to be 100% honest, I hate to derail the momentum we've got going here - but mastin's sudden jump onto ETL is just the type of move that a really gutsy scumplayer would do. blegh.

FUck tthat.

Hmm...hoe 'bout some cryptic drunken ramblings, then?

Party time, party time, fun for all around,
'Cetp for when the scum are to be found.
Niggles of doubt for then smallest of the things,
And feelings that are then left some conflicting.

More broken inglesh than actual drunkenes, though.

"I townread people that were enjoying themselves--TSO, ETL, Flubber, and so on. This gave me an initial bad vibe on Konowa and Kaboose who weren't, but both later loosened up some more. DGB's posting looked good, and ETL's posting got worse". More or less, anyway. Would have to reread that section of tghe game to be sure.

D'ohj. Just realized that most likely, drunken peoplle don't rhym that well.
I'm too sober.

Let's try this again!

Funny, funny, dayus abiout,
Frolic, frloic, fridns again,
Witty banter, freat exchange,
Scum're enemies of the mood.

But the bout left the worry,
And I suck I am so sorry.
Harder not to rhym than to,
Because so ingrained in me.

But back to the story,
One wrong word is enough,
One right way is a thing,
And left me feelin a spinning!

(I'm never going to get it all out there. )

"Scum are those not having fun, and I suck, because...I think ETL is one of them. Her response to DGB sent off immediate alarm bells to me, and is making me worry about her."

mastin - like, LC is always a great vote but I don't wanna kick them out today. Kaboose is not being himself though, so that's always a good sign of scum.

Don't go all serious on me.

You're supposed to be drunken, not sober.

"ETL's seriousposting is giving me scumgvibes".

On the one nahd, I don't want to say anymore. (For multiple reasons.)
On the other hand, I'm afraid if I don't then I'll forgetr my thoughts since my notes are probably too cryptic even for me.

But, uhh...stuff bells. And votes. Key everything.

(Maybe better?)

Stuff in this case is buddying. Bells is referencing alarm bells to something else RETL did; I forget what. Might be rereferencing her DGB stuff, or it could be LC or Flubber byh this point; would need to check the thread to be sure.

I

half

agree with ETL. One of my cryptic thingies actually makes direct reference to this, in fact.

There's more to it, though, than that.

I agreed with ETL that seriousposting was more likely to be from scum, which is what she said above. The thing is, I applied it to

her

rather than to whoever she was talking about.

Yes, I do have thoughts.
I'll say Kaboose is town.
Not sure I want to say the others, though.

The thoughts relate to ETL being scum, and not wanting to say it.

I'm waiting for something before I say anything.

More stuff has transpired that I want to comment on but fear actually saying.

Both of these reference an ETL post or posts about ETL in that area that I wanted to say something about but couldn't witiout showing my hand about ETL being scum. Would have to check to remember what, though.

But you do realize that you're going to default to scumreading me pretty damn soon.

ETL might.

This referenced that if ETL were scujm, I would fully expoect her to have pushed LC.

(Guess who uses a ton? )
Also,

Unvote: Lying Cat

.
I did NOT mean to leave my vote on there for a whole day. They were town during my exchange with them I think it was this Friday. I just didn't want to unvote without revoting, and I didn't want to show my hand by showing my vote.

WHO THe FUVK ELSE.
WOULD I KNOT WHAT TO SHOW MY HAND ON.
OTHER THAN ETL?

If I scumread DGB, would vote her.
Varsoon, heartbeat.
Flubber, heartbeat.
Kaboose, well, I'd vote, but cautiously.
Konowa, heartnbeat.
GSO, tearbeat.
And whoever the fuck else I'm forgetting. No hesitance to vote them.

I don't see Gladiator being a scumrole at all in the slightest whatsoever.

I do.
*coughANYTHINGGOEScough*

...FOR THIS GAME, though, I don't think she is. But that's off of play, not claim.

This was me, calling ETL out for reading DGB as TOWN, off of a claim that

is not a townclaim

. I think DGB's town off of DGB's play. Not off of her role, which can (AND HASQ!) been scum.

mastin, how is mastin town?

Because I am?

Now if you want to ask ETL that question, go ahead and ask her.

This was me, calling ETL out for townreading me.

See, that's weird cause I think Flubber's town.

So do I.
However, I also hold the apparently-unpopular opinion Varsoon is, too.
I want to explain, but I'm not sure I should.

ETL jestiance to expain again.

mastin- you ready to get in the game yet?

Ready to be serious, yes.
Ready to be in the game fully, not so much. Not only am I not sure I want to, but even if I was...I'm not sure I'd be able to. There's notes, and markers for me, and it's helped; I can still read my contrived, convoluted thoughts (and there's more to come), and they're crystal clear in my mind, but I'm not sure I can actually bring them out into words.
Can vote Konowa, though. Just not sure if I really actually want to *quite* yet.

ETL hesitance again.

Jingle - you're not playing your town game.

Preeeeeetty sure he is.

Calling ETL out on the scumread, as prohpescised.

I scumread ETL SECOND. (DGB holds honor of first.)

[mastin2]

So call that bullshit my ASS, TSO.

[mastin2]

Then I'm claiming honor of zeroeth, because I was the one who actually pushed her with any degree of strength first.

Well technically I'd classify all my posts as passive-aggressively pushing her, but sure, you can have that honor.

It's part of the reason I townread you. Your push on ETL really, really, REALLY doesn't look like a bus, feels incredibly genuine, and is basically the same TSO from Antihero.

I don't find it particularly substantial that you had a scumread on her before most people (whoop-de-doo!) before then proceeding to do nothing for ages until other people had pushed and then coming in like "Yeah, see her? The one you pushed without any help from me? I was scumreading her first! YEAH YEAH YEAH TOWNCRED TOWNCRED TOWNCRED!"

I'm not asking for towncredit. I mean, thinking I could be scum with ETL is in my

personal

opinion rather idiotic, but hey, you're entitled to that viewpoint if you really want it. (So long as it's ETL you lynch first. )

I WAS, however, rather pissed off at being given

scum credit

for "hopping on the bandwagon", so to speak.
I would never.
NEVER.
Do that.

EVER. Not as scum. It's beneath me.
That doesn't make my ETL push town, as discussed above. I could be scum who 'scumread' her secretly early on and laid the foundations for it. (...Not

quite

sure how the specifics of that would work, though.)
But never.
NEVER.
Would I EVER hop onto a wagon as scum because there was momentum there. It's an insult to my scumgame. Because that? That's AMATEUR play. Beneath amateur, more often than not. If I vote someone, it's because I think they're scum. If I'm scum, it's because I 'think' they are 'scum'. And I'd never lie about having held the read. The read if I was scum would be fake of course, but it'd exist.

[mastin2]

I mean, you're saying you'd vote me fairly sharpish, when I was the one originally pushing ETL...

No, I'm talking about people as the people, not as the player with the rolecard.
You, well, I think you're a competent scumhunter, but damn right I'd vote you without a moment's hesitation

if

I thought you were scum. (I don't.) Since I don't think you're scum, naturally, I wouldn't vote you, but my statement was dealing with IF I did.
DGB is the same: if I scumread her, I wouldn't hesitate to vote her. (I don't, and rather the opposite, strongly feel she's town.)
LC is the same, far moreso even: I'll vote LC for fun, yet alone if I'm scumreading them. (But I don't. Strongly the opposite, their play has just been town.)
Kaboose I don't know as a player, so of course I'm not going to hesitate to vote him if I think he's scum. (I would, however, be careful given his claim. That said, even without his claim, he was my strongest townread.)
Flubber/V are the same way: neither is a scumread, but were I to scumread them, I'd hold zero hesitance in voting them.
And Konowa

could

be scum (and honestly is my best guess right now for a second), and naturally I'm willing to vote them.

The only player who, if I'm scumreading, I'd hold back on voting is ETL. Because it's HER.

[mastin2]

Perfect metaphor:
ETL is AP.
They're vastly different players, and their relationship to me is different, but

in this way

, they are identical.
I'm not going to vote them unless I'm DAMN sure they're scum.

[mastin2]

As much as she may not want to hear it, townMastin is extremely predictable when it comes to how she reads me, and the types of reactions she has to me. When trying to read her, I look for her path along this line of thought.

Yes.

And yet, here I was, THE ENTIRE TIME, having a very, very obvious trail to you...and you didn't say a single thing until I brought it up, and you immediately OMGUSed me for it.

Not a single time.
Not once.
In spite of my entire lack of subtlety in reads. (Heck, by pure POE it should have been obvious given I called LC, DGB, Varsoon, Flubber, and Kaboose town but not her. Who did she think I thought the scumteam was, TSO and Konowa?)
Did she realize what I was saying.
She didn't point it out. She didn't go, "well, that was predictable". She didn't try to shut it down and say I was wrong.
She immediately goes on the OMGUS route.

This is, basically, the special tell I'm invoking. The AP-Mastin tell. The zMuff-Mastin tell. Only ETL-Mastin in this case. When I scumread AP/zMuff, in the rare cases I am wrong, they will go on to immediately try and convince me I'm wrong,

and never stop

. When I scumread AP/zMuff and am right, they might try to convince me I'm wrong, but stop, give up, and then push ME as scum because they have no choice--they're in a losing situation, so their only hope is to create a bunch of noise with me, and win the 1v1 or create a situation where the 1v1 becomes dissolved.

And this is what ETL's doing.

[mastin2]

Tl;dr:
I went all "I KNOW ETL. She is scum."
If ETL were town, then she would have responded, "No, you don't, you moron, we're town, drop the push you idiot."
Instead, she went straight to, "I KNOW Mastin. SHE is scum."

Which is the same thing AP does when he's caught by me as scum, and to some extent zMuffinman does too. They can't escape, so they try to turn the tactic back against me in their favor.

[mastin2]

you ARE wrong, but you're also scum, and I already know I won't have to suffer through two more days of this.

I can be wrong, I can be scum, but the only way I'd be both is if I was your partner.

So which is it, ETL? Wrong, or scum?

LC, TSO and DGB should take a look at mastin's posts around the gladiator discussions.

You mean the ones where I all-but explicitly am calling you out? Like when I call you out for clearing DGB off of her ROLE, not her play, when said role can very easily come from scum but said play is much less likely to be the same?

[mastin2]

Mastin I am in this game too. What is your read on me?

You're a non-entity in the game effectively.

That contributes to the scumread.

You've done posting, sure.
Your posting doesn't actually DO anything.
ETL is, very, very noticeably, the one calling the shots, in charge of the hydra.

And that is EXACTLY what I would expect if you were scum.

[mastin2]

And we've discussed this before.
My answer doesn't change.
Time and time again, it will never change.
I will apologize for having held a wrong read.
Never will I ever apologize for pushing that wrong read.
I had it, I was wrong on it, it was said, it was done, I do what I can to do better after that and in this game, that's all I can do.

So no amount of beating me down, no amount of namecalling, and no amount of threats or promises will change that. Go right ahead; I couldn't care less.

[mastin2]

@Mastin- show me where my theory is flawed or STFU. ETL's claim means she's not the play today.

Flaw: it's either a fakeclaim or a scum realclaim where she as scum has a set expiration date.

But sure.

Unvote

.
It CAN wait until tomorrow.

Just don't let her get away with it if I die.

[mastin2]

Flubber's a horrible gladiate. He's pretty dang town.

[mastin2]

His ISO howls 'fucking useless' in five languages and two distinct keys.

We reading the same game?

'Cause the exact OPPOSITE of this is the reason WHY he's a townread.
It's

not

useless. He's doing stuff in it. He's getting reads in it. It's the polar opposite of his play in Antihero; he's actually being active and town.

[mastin2]

I'll need to double-check activity-wise, but Drunken Lies may be lurking for what it's worth.

[mastin2]

If not you get lynched tomorrow, we also die tomorrow anyway.

Still a scumclaim, since if town got lynched today, Kaboose got lynched tomorrow, and DL were town dieing tomorrow, and assuming a successful scum kill each night, that would be game over.

Just sayin'.

[mastin2]

Mastin, justify your statement. From my shoes, it looks like the last time he posted content was Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:11 am. Which puts him in the same boat as Konowa, just without the not being here as an excuse.

Is he the most active, no. The most invested, no. But frankly almost everyone here would be partial hypocrites about that themselves. I don't think there's been a single player here who's been active the entire time; we've rotated through the inactivity as our motive and will has increased and decreased.

So I don't think the amount of care given is alignment-indicative. I do think what's in there is. Flubber's posts are entirely different. They're more lighthearted and less serious, the very thing you seem to be using against him. The content isn't exactly consistent, but let's be blunt, most people in here have had their activity plummet recently for one reason or another, be it life or waiting on another player. (In particular, there's not much point in making much of a strong push to lynch someone when we know DGB is just gonna gladiate, so whether it's a conscious or subconscious decision, it has affected our play as we wait. She's probably the strongest example of this, but certainly not the only one.)

I'm not sure I can describe it better than that if you don't see it. It just...isn't the same Flubber.

[mastin2]

Hey. Hey, mastin. Hey. Hey. Hey.
Hey.

You know I progress linearly.

...Though admittedly, the way my mind processes it can make it seem like it's some weird quadratic.

[mastin2]

I read their wiki last night. I'm confident.

My wiki which is hilariously out-of-date?

Helpful hint, far more effective way to find Mastin stuff is to do it manually, with a game search. You'll miss a couple of hydra games I never posted in as mastin2, all the games lost to the rollback would be gone as well, and you'll get a false positive or two, but for the most part, that's far more reliable a method of finding relevant stuff about me.

Or just asking me. Meta's not exactly something I'm going to lie about to ya, so you

can

get a (somewhat) reliable answer.

[mastin2]

Nice try ETL, and you're probably town, but your read is garbage.

On the contrary, she's scum and her read is probably sincere.

[mastin2]

Like.. don't you have any humility at all? Aren't you even a little worried how you will look afterward?

I passed the point of caring if I was wrong long ago.
It's like I said.
If I am wrong, I owe an apology for being wrong.
It will be sincere. The angst and pain behind it should make that clear enough.
Won't apologize for the actions done while having said wrong read. Because if it were to have been the right read (which I think it is), my actions would have been the correct play (which I think they are), and I was doing the best I could given what I had at the time. (Which I am.)

For instance, this seems an awful lot like you admitting you know I'm town.
If I were scum, I'd need no humility for being wrong at all; that'd just be me doing my job as scum to get town dead.

[mastin2]

Also, I know mastin is scum because she is trying to pretend like we're not "synced" despite her following my fucking reads to the letter since game start. So don't even try that bullshit with me mastin. It was the main reason I actually thought you were town.

It's not the reads, which you should know better to think I would EVER copy as scum. (NEVER. Would I EVER. Stoop to such amateurish play. As scum, my reads are my own. If they line up to someone else's, that's all fine and dandy, it helps me manipulate said someone, but purely coincidental. Heck, me having my reads be influenced by a player would, arguably, be a towntell for that very same reason; as scum, I refuse to let other players influence my reads, whereas when town I always feel the influence of other players especially strong townreads.)

It's how they were reached. (Both reasoning and timing.)
Townreading DGB off of her role (which is worthless given the role, and the game), rather than off of the play as the first example coming to mind.
A bunch of the other stuff here and there.

The first read I can think of that you have the same reasoning for on is Flubber.
And only on Flubber is the reasoning the same.
But even then, there's the matter of the timing difference; your read on Flubber evolved awkwardly and unnaturally, whereas I was able to tell Flubber was town instantly.

[mastin2]

Weakly, weakly coming in.

I realize there was stuff said to me.
Lots of stuff, in fact.
I should be responding to it.
Really should be responding to it.

But I just...well, lack the feeling for it? Drive drained from me? I'm not sure how to describe it, it doesn't quite feel apathetic because I've got opinions and when I'm apathetic I generally don't so it's not like true apathy but it's sort-of apathy anyway? Not sure how to tell you what it is; you either get it or don't, I suppose. But I have it. I'm not sure what I can do about it. I do feel like saying that the push on DGB is incredibly suspicious and that ETL continues to be scum, but that's just words without stuff backing it. :/

[mastin2]

It would've been nice to have known day had started.
Also would've been nice to have been prodded so I'd remember this game exists in the first place.
My mind's entirely out of it right now.

But I'm seeing claiming and whatnot being done and thoughts of targeting me.

...Did you people ENTIRELY FORGET what I all-but-explicitly claimed D1?
If you targeted me last night, then I'm the reason you failed.

[mastin2]

(That said, need to check with the mod on details.)

[mastin2]

Well, we're in for a

flurry

of posting, lest someone

undermine

my efforts.

Don't wanna

sabotage

efforts to get the game underway.

Winter

is coming

.

I feel so cold...

Let's wreck the scumteam. (And not get

destroyed

by them.)
Also, also, let's please not let apathy incapacitate us down the line.

(On a somewhat-serious note, it actually IS kinda cold at my house. I'm shivering, and while that's partially out of the adrenaline rush, it's largely out of it being, well...cold.)
Butyeah, don't think this

storm

of posting is gonna slow down for a while.
...Okay, weekend, so it might, but I'd love if it didn't. Keeps me from

freezing

, and all that.

It's hard to get more explicit than this in saying, rather bluntly, "Hey. Like

SnowStorm

in

Sabotage

, I'm ascetic." (No, seriously, I had a google tab open with sabotage to look at how many synonyms I could fit in, and piled on as many snow-like words as I could, but sadly couldn't find a way to say Snow itself that flowed with the conversation.) I reinforced it, even, later:

I remember thinking mastin town decades ago, but that needs to be refreshed.

I'm town.
Refreshed.
If you insist, though, like on the early pages, I could always dip into the

arctic winds

of a

snowy

freezer

and pull out a nice

cold

drink for ya.

(Which was, basically, explicitly saying, "go look at my softclaim, you dummy". ) Plus there's all of these:

Who does this apply to, mastin?

As a start, ETL, DGB, and me (though maybe not so much in my case, for ~reasons~, sadly), but there's also TSO who I'd expect to die.

"Normally, I might die, but I'm probably not going to this game because ascetic is a SERIOUS negative utility role for a town player."

I'm town hated and putting me at L-1 is the same as hammering me.

I hate the mods because you were my strongest townread. So, uhh...be very obvtown and hope that you're so dang annoying to the scum they nightkill you? (Just be aware I'll be vieing for the same honor. )

"I want to be nightkilled because ascetic is a horrible, HORRIBLE role for a town player to get". (It's effectively a macho-miller: unable to be saved, unable to be investigated. That'd be alright if it came with additional perks, like a role, but I have none. It's just ascetic.)

But don't worry, I'm planning on getting us nightkilled this game, so...

Get in line.

I don't do lines. I go first, because I'm bigger and I can push my way to the front. Lines are for lesser people.

Okay, to be fair, you've got a lot in your credit.
Still doesn't mean we can't compete!

And I checked my role PM and asked the mod just to confirm right now, it's ANY action except kills that will fail.

[mastin2]

I need mastin to clarify with anti whether or not ascetic is only for night actions or if it includes day actions.

*cough*

And I checked my role PM and asked the mod just to confirm right now, it's ANY action except kills that will fail.

Any action = includes day actions.

I do not believe there are 3 protective roles in this town.

Given the negative utility roles (that'd be me and Kaboose for just a start), I can see it.

Mind you, I can also see it as scum having the same role.

Right now I don't really have any true townread except Kaboose, or any true scumread except ETL.

[mastin2]

And I'm enacting general Mastin policy:
Factor in roleclaims into the process, but don't try to break the setup off of it and to just do normal scumhunting instead.

[mastin2]

mastin you need to give me 3 cop targets.

Like I care.

I don't think you're telling the truth about your role.
If you are, then my only scumread is wrong. So not Kaboose, but other than that?
Fair game.
Flubber/TSO/LC/Varsoon/DGB. Five targets. I have no preference on which.

Somebody explain how Flubber's action failed.

LC's invention-from-TSO.
Roleblocker.
Varsoon's JK got redirected.
Fluminator was lying.
Probably half a dozen more I'm not thinking of.
Take your pick.

You're not as stupid as you're pretending to be.

[mastin2]

Since the nature of our received role was

incredibly

protown and

incredibly

useless to scum, TSO is now confirmed. Similarly, Flubber is confirmed for knowing that we were untargetable last night and claiming a friendly neighbor. He absolutely targeted us last night, and 1-shot FN cuts off utility for his fakeclaim if he were scum.

I more or less follow you on TSO though I disagree it makes him confirmed town--far more likely to be town than not, yeah, and definitely not a lynch priority, sure. But conftown, no.

Flubber, though, I'm not really following you at all.

[mastin2]

For the record, though, the scumteam is most likely ETL-??,
OR,
DGB-Varsoon.

Flubber could be scum, but I don't think he is; he's playing friendly neighbor the same way I did. (Though ETL-Flubber [again] wouldn't be impossible.)
TSO could be scum, but it's true his action is far more likely to come from town.
Lying Cat could be scum, but it requires the scumteam be either LC-Flubber or LC-TSO, to corroborate the actions LC is claiming. And frankly I don't find this fairly probable.

[mastin2]

avoiding this game is also a scumpoint.

I am avoiding the thread.

Not for the reasons you think.

There's something I'm waiting for, which is lose-lose.
It goes one way, and I'll feel bad, but you'll have my undivided attention.
It goes the other way, and I replace out.

You'll get no further details other than that the thing I'm waiting for is because I'm compromised.

[mastin2]

mastin your lurking is pathetic, replace out or play. I couldn't give a shit if the game is compromised for you - your slot doing zero is compromising this game for all of us.

Alright.

The way I'm compromised is that I'm emotionally compromised. Far, far beyond the norm. The norm is as a player. I'll hate on myself as a player all the time. Right now, things are...not that way.

I reported Guyett, and asked for them to contact me when action (or lack thereof) was taken. If it were just this game, I'd think he were scum pushing every advantage he could get over me, knowing I would otherwise win the fight against him and ETL, like I could have in Redemption. The problem is, it isn't. As town, he did the same thing in Street Racers. His insults started as to my play, there, and that was justifiable: I

was

wrong to SK-read him. (Even though, point of fact, I consider third parties to be town so SKreading him is still "effectively townreading him".) But from post 2763, it just gets worse. 3953 begins the ETL-like levels of attack. (He does take it back in 3989, though.) But 3955 crossed the line.

Guyett knows I'm a girl, yet keeps calling me 'he' in spite of knowing how much that hurts me. He calls me a cunt, and yes that hurts me. In particular, you get stuff like this from him after I died.

I want to go to the dead thread and congratulate that enormous f*ck c*nt mastin

Why do I bring that game up, though?

Because Guyett's antics there were acknowledged as having crossed a line. (Especially by, mind you, ETL.)
They went beyond the game. They were hurtful. They were bringing an outside influence into the game, and attacking the person rather than the player. He got a

SEVERE

warning for it. A clear message that type of behavior should have no place in a game.

...Yet here, he did it again. And it's no less painful than the first time. Which is why I reported his posts.

We are town, you're an idiot, you might be scum but I don;t fucking know
Lets discuss that statement.
You think we're scum right
How can you be both if we are scum partners?
because yes you'd be scum but you'd be right about calling us scum. How can you be wrong and scum at the same time if we are partners?
Either you're scum seeing an easy mislynch on us or you are town on your new super strong batch of drugs that has obviously melted your brain making you incapable of reading me.

Nothing wrong with this, right?

Well,

And you no what mastin, you're a c*nt. I'm pretty fucking sick of your entitled know it all behaviour, this WILL be the last time we play together. You can join Wake88 on my blacklist.

Until here.

Its not a threat, its a promise. I'I'm done with that useless sack of shit.

I suppose "useless sack of shit" could refer to my posting style, but I certainly did not take Guyett's comment that way. It made me deeply, deeply uncomfortable, but I've endured.

I've endured plenty of insults before, what's one more?

...One more, very deep, personal one, which stings just that much harder.

secondly mastin is a c*nt
thirdly if we target an ascetic nothing happens.... Ascetic mafia is effectively a godfather to a town weak cop.... So Mastin is now not only a c*nt but confirmed scum in my eyes. We will not be investigating him but when we flip day weak cop thingy auto lynch that sack of shit
~G

hope you're enjoying this last game with me you prick mastin
~G

I can't believe I used to look up to you and respect you as a player mastin. like wtf was I thinking. you're a fucking joke.

(Made all the worse by the fact that I still consider Guyett to be a friend.)

I don't think it's fair to ask for him to be kicked out of the game on my behalf, though, so

I'm requesting replacement

.
Guyett wins.

As far as reads go, one of the reasons I think that DL is scum is because ETL was feeling very, VERY guilty about her insults when she was scum, yet allowed herself to make them anyway. In Street Racers where she was town, she went "WTF, Guyett?!?" to his insults there. Here, she's done no such thing. She's done nothing to reign him in. But I fully realize that my view is compromised, so I don't know.

If they're not scum, then DGB and Varsoon are my best guesses, but that's mainly an educated guess. Flubber could only be scum with ETL, because the way Flubber played the Friendly Neighbor is identical to how I did as Sabotage. That would only be possible from scum through the absolute sheer wildest strokes of luck, or direct coaching from a Sabotage player. The only other one is sthar8, but I believe he was dealing with access issues during the night at the very least and it's not his type of move. Thus, Flubber could ONLY be scum if ETL/Guyett are, and in any other scenario is town. (And not even necessarily scum if ETL/Guyett are.)

If ETL/Guyett are town, then LC obviously is. If ETL/Guyett aren't, then heck if I know. I could probably work it out in more detail in a different state of mind. Their play certainly looks town.

TSO is probably town regardless on play, and his role being confirmed by LC and LC being confirmed (or "confirmed", but since three scum's impossible it definitely applies to TSO) makes TSO close-to-conftown just in general. I could probably logic it out, but I don't see where he could be scum.

Kaboose should be lynched today as hated since we don't know what will come with night actions and therefore we could have more in lylo than today and getting a lynch wrong today = game over, but is probably town.

Leaving Varsoon and DGB.

And with that, I'm out.

[mastin2]

I hope it's acceptable for me to say this. (If not, then deeply, deeply, DEEPLY sorry.)

Also I'd like mastin not to replace out. Please. There's no need.

FTR, don't think it's my call to make. Am

willing

to continue playing, but again, not my call.

[mastin2]

I'm still baffled at the scum plan of claiming Ascetic and Jailkeeper.

Claiming JK is standard procedure.

Claiming ascetic? Damn straight. It was the right move to make, in a publicly role madness game. If this game

wasn't

role madness, I'd

consider

claiming to be a VT, but as a KNOWN role madness game, you either have to BS a role or claim your real one. I firmly, FIRMLY believe, and always have believed, that truth is the most effective weapon. Town ascetic is a real role, and has a real presence in the game; what I said about it being negative utility is 100% accurate and thus, claiming to effectively be a macho-miller with some VERY strong 'crumbing would put me in a position where the claim would at the very least be null, if not town, to make as I did. (Snowstorm + Sabotage = not claiming ascetic immediately, but claiming it immediately when relevant.)

Scum should, without mod-provided fakeclaims in theme-type games (hint: role madness is automatically theme-type), 95% of the time NOT be punished for realclaiming within reason. (e.g. converting roleblocker to jailkeeper, converting ninja/godfather to VT or some equivalently-useless role.) And for me, claiming ascetic is WELL within said reason.

Though the setup spec happened to be correct, it very well could have been wrong, because it was just that: setup spec. Assuming you know what the mods were thinking is always a big mistake in my experience. I've basically never seen a town player get it right. Ever. They might catch scum through it, but they do so by being wrong. (e.g. thinking Titus was hippiescum in Unbalanced2.) I don't rely on it for a reason. Play trumps roles.

That being said, given that V made a

really big error

in the night actions at the end, and I wasn't around D2 because of ~dramaz~, (lack of/lousy) scumplay = townwin.
That's not to deny good town play, but I think if you're entirely honest with yourself, you can fairly admit that it was more scum not being here/making the right calls than town making the right ones that led to the victory, regardless of how soon the scum were "caught".

tl;dr, I don't believe in breaking the game with claims, not even if it contributed to my loss this game, because I think play is the defining characteristic, and however good town may have been, the main factor in the town victory was a lack of solid scumplay.

[mastin2]

"the stuff you did that worked was blind luck. no you won because I wasn't really trying."

Umm...but it's true?

I didn't say you weren't good. I didn't say that you didn't have me and V correctly read.
I did say that setup spec is crap, and I did say that if I was playing the game (not trying, playing; there's a difference. I wasn't not-trying; I was not playing. You should understand the difference between the two), then it'd be an entirely different experience.

I was lynched with no resistance because legally I could give none. I was being replaced, and it'd take EXPLICIT mod permission for me to legally come back and continue playing. If I was to give resistance, be honest: you think that lynch was going through? I outlined in the dead PT precisely why it

could

have, but likely wouldn't. You second-guessed your scumread. TSO second-guessed his read. V wouldn't lynch me if he had the choice not to. DGB I'm not even sure was actually scumreading me. (She could have been, she could have not-been, but in either case, I don't think she'd have voted without the support on the wagon that was there.) That'd leave just Lying Cat, arguing on grounds of setup spec, which, as you'll note...I'm fairly good at arguing about. Them arguing on it is arguing on shaky grounds at best, as I said, so while I might not WIN an argument with them, I could certainly make a stalemate, perhaps even making it look townVtown.

All of this I could do, and would have done if I was in the game.
But legally, I was not. I'm not counting this game in my records (such as they may be) because legally, I was being replaced. I might not have GOTTEN replaced. But I was in the PROCESS of being replaced, so the slot was no longer mine. Thus, I could not.

In other words, half the scumteam was not able to provide content. Not around. Not doing anything. Whereas town players were.
Thus, "scum mainly lost by not being around, and making poor decisions".

tl;dr:
Point's the same.
I am not saying town didn't play well.
I am pointing out why I think town won, though--while the town playing well certainly contributed, I do not think it was the

dominant

factor in their victory.
Dominant. Meaning primary. Meaning "the main, not the only". That, if you're honest with yourself and think about it, is due to scum not playing (one slot) and making mistakes (the other slot).
Also, fuck setup spec.

[mastin2]

And you know what, mastin, the moment you flipped on me, I knew, and you knew I knew.

And I'm stopping you there, because if you read the scum PT, you'll know that I legitimately thought you were acting weird.

If I was town?
That suspicion would've been there.
I was legitimately 'crumbing it.

That flip couldn't have been less scum-motivated.

Continuing to press you as scum after that, though, was neither scum nor town-motivated. (As discussed by me being, y'know. Compromised.)
That doesn't mean your read wasn't accurate--not denying that. For ~other reasons~, you were right. Mainly the synchronization one. That was a point you made that I was like, "yep, she's right, can't exactly admit it though", so that stuff was justified on your end. That stuff was accurate.

Saying I was scum for flipping on you, not so much.
So yes. I WILL take that from you. Not your other reasons. Not reasons that were right. I won't deny that I had a scum agenda for a fair number of those things I did. But that one, I will.

And it's like I said.
Town worked well. Town played well.
I am not saying that isn't true.
What I AM saying is that scum never broke up the town.
There was paranoia that could have been used and exploited.
I saw it. I could have used it. But I was out of the game, and V isn't as good at using it.
So it is undeniable that scum did not play optimally.

It wasn't a case of town synchronizing, and preventing scum from disrupting the synchronization. That would be town playing well being the primary factor in victory.
It was a case of town synchronizing, with no scum TO disrupt the synchronization. That is town playing well, with scum not playing well. And that is what I am saying happened. It does nothing to lessen the town's victory.

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tl;dr Mastin is bitter

Don't even get me started.

The thing I am bitter about has nothing to do with losing.

I cannot, politely, say anymore.