Micro 451: Lucky's GIF UPick! GAME OVER!!!

[Espeonage]

Vote: Bulge

culling the fat.

[Espeonage]

Someone is not an appreciator of puns.

Shame on you.

[Espeonage]

Fuck, you got me. :p

[Espeonage]

Scum should have been picked randomly before PRs were assigned based on gifs. That's how U-picks usually work.

There is also nothing stopping people from faking their gif if they have a strong pr that is guessable from the gif.

Also hi prawn.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Heartless

[Espeonage]

What is the cognitive process that means you should unvote when you just explained that the only reason you should be unvoting isn't the case?

[Espeonage]

NM, we can lynch him later. But I doubt it's a scum team of one so the vanity wagon isn't worth it, we could catch two scum today.

[Espeonage]

If a game is stagnant, how do you think the best way to make the game pick up speed.

The answer is you wagon the hell out of someone. If this was a different playerlist and I had a different role pm I would have advocated a page 2 lynch.

[Espeonage]

What makes you different from our scum friend here then?

[Espeonage]

A vanity wagon is not doing something. It's actually actively not doing anything.

[Espeonage]

My issue is that the vote is doing nothing.

The only reason to be voting as you are now is if you intend to push the immediate lynch on Anen which you having really indicated.

Otherwise, you should be setting aside the caught scum and trying to find more from being useful.

If you don't do either of these options then you are scum for the same reasons as why Anen is scum. I suggest voting Heartless slot.

[Espeonage]

Then you need to push for the info. You're not going to get it otherwise. :/

You're not scum are you.

[Espeonage]

That wasn't even an L–1, TierShift.
Why need you rushed anyway?

UNVOTE:

The fish aren't running.

It was L-1, though?

Stop the useless bickering, NM and esp

Nah it wasn't. Putin changed vote.

[Espeonage]

What makes you different from our scum friend here then?

Who is this in reference to?

To NM about scum Anen.

[Espeonage]

If you don't do either of these options then you are scum for the same reasons as why Anen is scum. I suggest voting Heartless slot.

Unless you're intention is to force us to claim, what exactly are you going on about? o_O

He says he thinks Anen is scum. Therefore voting him means intention to force through the lynch. Voting you to get the game going is very different.

[Espeonage]

Unvote

Prawn isn't as bad as people are making out.
Putin on the other hand.

[Espeonage]

I want to like Espeonage but there's just not enough of the good stuff to cancel out the bad stuff.

You're the same.

There is nothing wrong with prawn's 80, and yet, you 'needed' to cite something so it's as good as anything.

Taking a stance when there is no stance to take is pretty scummy.

[Espeonage]

Behind in my everything.

But putin is probs scum.

[Espeonage]

So I haven't read, but is there a provocation for 225? That is bad posting.

[Espeonage]

I've been skimming and prawn looks good, idk what Putin is on really.

Am I voting them?

[Espeonage]

What's he done?

[Espeonage]

I'll read him maybe. Get another testimonial and I'll go for it.

I've got like the only townread, who was picked on by my scumread saying you're scum. And he did peg scum our last game early.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Putin

More of a statement than anything. I'll be around the next 18 hours.

[Espeonage]

I hate when not being online is an actual issue. :/

Why did you not do this when you came in earlier to say you were going to do it.

I am going to

Unvote

I will keep an eye on this just before deadline, but I do not want a lynch until after the mod gets in to confirm or deny this.

[Espeonage]

Yeah there is no way we are lynching before the mod gets in.

[Espeonage]

I am tempted to advocate a no lynch at this point.

The choices are;
NM gets revealed, we make a no information quick lynch which might hit another great PR.
NM get outed, we lynch him, which could just happen tomorrow if we run out of time.
We no lynch, NM gets revealed or killed and he wasn't active or a town leader anyway and draws scum away from scum hunters, they have to kill him anyway.
We run out of time and people panic, people do dumb shit, we argue over dumb shit for three days and scum win in the confusion.

[Espeonage]

I'm against even lynching Putin right now. Not enough time.

[Espeonage]

I am unhappy about this,

Vote: Putin

[Espeonage]

As far as I knew I was the only one on Putin and it was shitty conjecture reasoning anyway.

Is there context I missed out on?

[Espeonage]

349 seems to point out there is more case on putin I was aware of.

I have only read like 40% of the thread so if there is context I'm missing...

[Espeonage]

Vote: NM

It would have happened. I doubt the mod can answer that.

[Espeonage]

I was against it because I didn't want any lynch unless the mod was going to be back before deadline. Mainly because there was like no opportunity for claiming.

[Espeonage]

PMing mod

We all know he would have done it. A mod watches specifically for that shit when it's in the game and the IC is getting wagoned. That didn't happen and you aren't fooling anyone.

[Espeonage]

Ok come off it.

That has never been a variant. And if it were, you would know.

[Espeonage]

That's not what you just said.

You are scum.
If you're town your dead tonight anyway.

[Espeonage]

I will be revealed at daystart tomorrow

This is not, "It's a night action"

This is "It's a delayed action" which I guess I can kinda see some semblence of balance logic by making it unable to me used in a situation such as this.

You are pulling shit out of your arse.

[Espeonage]

If you're town your dead tonight anyway.

This is not a reason to lynch conf town

Dude, you are not conf town.

[Espeonage]

TS, I am not ok with that.

[Espeonage]

If NM isn't IC, Kaboose is suspect for saying he should be lynched and not voting. So are you to tbh.

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I'm not mad, I'm disappointed.

Claim Putin

[Espeonage]

WE ARE NOT LYNCHING NOTMAFIA OKAY IF HE DOESNT CONFIRM TOMORROW HE GETS QUICKLYNCH

That's a better idea.

UNVOTE: prawn

VOTE: the bulge

Can this happen?

TS, you should rethink your kaboose read.

[Espeonage]

TS, you realise you're basically forcing half a massclaim right now.

[Espeonage]

How is enforcing other run ups and then we just bounce between people that have PRs not forcing a massclaim?

[Espeonage]

really, espeonage, what do we lose by letting nm make the night?

kaboose, learn to read. I'm townreading you. Esp is town too. Please don't doubt him at this very moment.

Basically he's suspect for doing the opposite to what you just called his most suspect point (calling someone scum without any follow up) which he just did with NM as well.

[Espeonage]

really, espeonage, what do we lose by letting nm make the night?

kaboose, learn to read. I'm townreading you. Esp is town too. Please don't doubt him at this very moment.

If people keep claiming PRs we just end up in a loop where we get no lynch and scum will just get a free ticket because of confusion. You are fucking crafting mist right now. Kuribo would kill anyone that didn't follow this up.

[Espeonage]

How is enforcing other run ups and then we just bounce between people that have PRs not forcing a massclaim?

Am I forcing anyone to claim? No, you are.

I don't really care for claiming in a theme game, tbh. Unless you can confirm yourself, you should just be lynched since it's soooo easy to fakeclaim.

We are not lynching anyone without a claim. You are asking for other wagons, that is you asking for claims.

[Espeonage]

Why are we starting a fresh wagon Bulge so close to deadline?

Because you are pulling shit out of your arse.

[Espeonage]

it's funny that both kaboose and prawn think bulge is scum but haven't voted him.

Readslist coming after mod confirms or doesn't confirm.

This

and....

[Espeonage]

kaboose, why did you back off of your mass gif claim? Why did you suggest it in the first place?

I thought it would make sense to do, but it's not like a role claim where there's a limited amount of claims people could make and they could easily overlap. If I forced a gif claim and everyone posted one:

a) no one would be able to hop in the mod's mind and know what role they had given to a gif


Our only hope is that someone, with the unlimited amount of gifs you can find or make, somehow used the same one as someone else, but the chances would be so minuscule that town wouldn't get that lucky.

p-edit

Not_Mafia how did you not know it was a night action?

You should be lynched imo

This

and that he then votes Bulga out of nowhere.

[Espeonage]

going to the toilet, I'll brb.

[Espeonage]

That's what I said. -.-

[Espeonage]

If NM isn't IC, Kaboose is suspect for saying he should be lynched and not voting. So are you to tbh.

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I'm not mad, I'm disappointed.

Claim Putin

[Espeonage]

Vote: Putin

?

[Espeonage]

I got my eyes open. I have a bearing on the game now. Nothing like panic to help understand the game state.

[Espeonage]

You might be. If you read through my stances the past hours, the fact that I am voting you should point out that you have been terrible this page.

[Espeonage]

There is no way in hell we are lynching someone that isn't here right now to claim.

[Espeonage]

At this point in the game if we no lynch:

If NM is town: Scum kills NM to stop him having any impact on the next day after he is confirmed. We have had a net gain of no mislynch and no undue claims.
If NM is scum: Scum shoot in the dark due to having no role info. We lynch NM.

1v5 presumably going in to day 3. We didn't gain a lynch, but we do have much better odds. I'm going to assume role madness or close to, which favors town incredibly.

Both of these are very good for town, and much better than any alternative that requires claiming before it is needed.

[Espeonage]

Unvote

realised I hadn't

[Espeonage]

There could be any number of ways for town to get ahead in the night game, and with 1v6/1v5 We have some serious advantages.

I will not be making a vote to secure a lynch.

[Espeonage]

The nightplay will have been swung in our favour by an extra town person who sees the night.

[Espeonage]

No lynch is far and away the best option right now, it's just fucking maths.

[Espeonage]

We lose nothing by letting NM make the night.

wrong

Actually, this is true because reasons.

[Espeonage]

Also I totally see Espeonage in the sitechat list and he is not posting.

Buttface.

I leave MS open at home. I'm at work.

[Espeonage]

Wats up tho?

[Espeonage]

nah bruv,

No, I'm not investigative. I skimmed, is it because of the fact that two are dead and prawn was a target? Because I was under the assumption that Putin was Bulge's target or did stuff change in the end of the day.

Also Bulge makes sense as a scum kill. More likely we've got an SK seeing as no vig has come forward.

[Espeonage]

I think you should wait for everyone to report in for the possible vig claim.

I'm going to flip town, so you're going to have figure out where the 2nd KP came from. Might was well start now.

I went over the rolelist.

I think it's Mafia Redirector. He redirected Bulge's visit to himself and sent in an NK on Heartless. Tomorrow there should only be one NK.

I think Espeonage is the remaining mafia. I don't think any scum would feel obliged to bus yesterday as it was so close to deadline. It would have been very easy to just lurk and get a no-lynch.

Sorry I was sleeping at five am. I did try to stay up.

[Espeonage]

For the record, I could defs see a fruit vendor especially after a tracker has flipped.

[Espeonage]

Regardless, Fruit Vendor makes sense with what we know if the setup.

Bulge makes a bunch of sense as a scum kill as well.

Given the lack of vig claim, my money is on SK.

[Espeonage]

So just did a quick flick through NMs iso just to see what he was doing at the end of the day.

The point on Anen doesn't hold up to at the end of the day that wasn't where to vote was, and from what I gathered NM wasn't very active so I doubt he pushed too hard throughout the day. I think it's probably null.

Bulge we know is town. prawn was his other vote so probs town there too.

[Espeonage]

Like it could be some last minute distancing because it was highly unlikely to go through, but if he had a scum buddy online he migh have been trying to get them to shift to prawn so I doubt it was distancing.

Yeah I have prawn as town.

[Espeonage]

I don't have a TS read atm.

[Espeonage]

pedit: That prawn is town.

Oh right, TS was the one calling for defs getting a lynch at all costs and completely ignoring that it would be forcing people to claim.

And NM was defs not going to make it far in the game. Could have been a set up for a quickhammer to get an ability for a night with the universal backup flip and all.

[Espeonage]

Vote: TierShift

[Espeonage]

Everything points to prawn town though.

:/

I guess he could be SK. I still think that fruit vendor is a very likely role given we had a tracker.

I won't be voting him.

[Espeonage]

I'd be fine with lynching you, I think. 1-shot deathproof scum isn't unheard of, but pretty bastard in a 9p.

Your play does look a lot like (maybe even-day) jester who's afraid of the game ending with a prawn-lynch, but I don't have a problem with jester winning alongside town.

What's your view of the game then?

If town is loaded, that would potentially balance for extra kills.

[Espeonage]

Well no one is getting lynched at this rate.

[Espeonage]

If people agree that being lynchproof makes me town we should test my claim today and let prawn fruit tonight.

This is strong plan.

[Espeonage]

I'm in for it because I don't think prawn is scum and I just think we have kill stuffs going on.

[Espeonage]

What does it matter if there is redirection. I believe prawn's claim without him having to prove it, and if there is a redirecter, the fact that they haven't claimed means that it would be an anti town player in which case we just play as we are and lynch the scum.

Tier needs to be lynched before lylo and he makes sense as scum from day 1 interactions. So we lynch tier now. If he is telling the truth then we can go from there (it'll be dicey, as it could be a one time protection or if actually town could provide some counterbalance to the case of an sk.)

Regardless Tier gets lynched today.

[Espeonage]

Roleblocker

no action night 1 (was in the middle of flaking).
TS night 2 because thought was scum.

So either TS was shot or TS is maf. Tbh both could be true. Though his connections to NM probs make him scum. If he is town he probs played it right.

[Espeonage]

Umm Kaboose you go.

[Espeonage]

Didn't kaboose say he got the heartless result or am I imagining things.

[Espeonage]

I assumed it was random but either way he probs scum but for different reasons.

[Espeonage]

Well either Heartless tracked you = dead.
Or Heartless targetted you for result = Heartless dead.

[Espeonage]

Because there is a variation of amnesiac that also targets who gets the result. Thus killing themselves on you.

[Espeonage]

Mhm, yes prawn's flip really helped sort Bulge's death out.

[Espeonage]

You mean the bit under the gif?

Stop sign caught in a storm.

[Espeonage]

But Kaboose's claim makes sense as it completes the kill tally.

[Espeonage]

TS I've forgotten what you ammended your claim to.

[Espeonage]

I don't think Kaboose is scum.

[Espeonage]

Different approach.

Last night options:

1. Putin was shot at by someone.
2. Tier is scum, was blocked by me.
3. Tier was shot by someone.

I don't think anyone really would have shot tier in retrospect, he was a lynch target yesterday.

So that means Putin is town.
Kaboose claim makes perfect sense so town.
I'm town.

That leaves Anen and TS. Anen seemed cool with me blocking him to clear him. TS has to be scum.

The only way TS isn't scum is if someone went and shot TS.

Vote: TS

That actually went better than expected, I thought I'd just end up in a loop.

[Espeonage]

Who's scum? TierShift? Why?
If it's not TierShift, who do you think the scum is?

See above.

[Espeonage]

Actually that means it has to be either Putin or TS, but much more likely TS.

[Espeonage]

Are you crazy?! You've just hammered TierShift!

???

[Espeonage]

Latest vc has no votes.

[Espeonage]

Besides, what if the scum performs NoKill intentionally so as to (1) frame me and (2) end up in a 4-player LyLo?

By the way, Putin have never posted their gif.

Also, Esp, now I'm way less confident in my townread on you.

you aren't scum anyway. I'm pretty confident that both you and kaboose are both town.

[Espeonage]

I'm pretty sure I'm right anyway.

[Espeonage]

for lulz? I've seen people do all sorts of shit after being hammered, idk.

Especially if there is a chance for

shenanigans

Probs not case here, but still.

[Espeonage]

A thought occurred last night that Putin could be a ninja, which while being hilarious flavor wise was a possibility, so I blocked Putin last night because I didn't want to get beaten by something that stupid.

However between you two logic dictates that PGO fits.

I think it's Anen.

[Espeonage]

I've been trying really hard to come up with a reason why Kaboose might not be town, and the only things I can come up with is survivor roles, which aren't against wincon.

Unless he is an SK in which case I'm just kingmaker at this point but that is really dumb in a game this small. I guess they could have just one kill, which idek if that's close to balanced and it's still kingmaker. So moot.

I'm pretty ready to vote. Anything from you Anen?

[Espeonage]

1-shot unkillable is passive. Roleblock doesn't stop passive abilities.

And yeah I currently can't see any way that Anen isn't scum right now.

A thought does occur, I have seen recently actually a game where scum got an extra kill whenever one of their members died. Which does fit. Very very unlikely but possible.

[Espeonage]

So you want to think I'm a SK that could have won the game last night with a NK, but didn't NK?

How are you ready to vote already?

I didn't say that at all.

And as I explained, there is almost no situation I can see where Anen isn't the scum here unless it's a messed up double kill mechanic and the mod took inspiration from the recent Capcom game.

[Espeonage]

I explained that, they would have immediately won, and there was a chance they were ninja which isn't an uncommon role and a common way to tone down the power of trackers from investigative to positive utility. I felt it was worth it on the off chance. After TS flipped it seemed pretty obvious that pending shenanigans it had to be Anen so I wanted to make sure.

[Espeonage]

Lets play scenarios.

1. Anen is scum as assumed. I block Anen, we confirm what it already highly probable we end up in the same situation as today with an extra person. We no lynch, wifom games start, we're basically where we are now.
2. Putin is a ninja and I block Anen. Putin kills 'someone' probably Kaboose if he wants to take the risk, me if otherwise most likely. We go in to today with Putin, Anen and one of us. Putin easily gets Anen mislynched and wins.

I think I made the right call.

[Espeonage]

Well NM was dying anyway, might not have been then, but it would have made no difference. The universal backup flip lost you any protown credit from hammering him.
Being absent from TS is neither here nor there and bringing it up is the weakest white knight I've seen.
I honestly didn't realise I was hammering him.

And how is my reasoning terrible?

Also we're not dumb. You know that thing where people make empty lines about progressing the game to appear townier for 'helping'? Because that's what it sounds like now.

I'm sure I could come up with a defense for myself, but that's not my place to. You guys are smart enough to go searching for yourselves.

[Espeonage]

Well NM was dying anyway, might not have been then, but it would have made no difference. The universal backup flip lost you any protown credit from hammering him.¹
Being absent from TS is neither here nor there and bringing it up is the weakest white knight I've seen.²
I honestly didn't realise I was hammering him.³

(1) That's misrepresenting. There were five minutes or so before Deadline. Do you really think that lynching a scum or No lynch makes no difference? What does the Universal Backup flip has to do with gaining or not gaining town credit?
(2) You've been tested for Regardless of Card. The result is positive.
(3) Oh really? You may or may not tell the truth. However, it's strange that you call (2) scummy while posting (3)...

I'll examine both of you later. Kaboose, I suggest you doing the same. Actually, the latest sentence goes to Esp too, although I don't think that will happen...

Didn't call 2 scummy, bringing it up in defense of yourself is.

And nah I probably won't, I don't like reading things out of context so you don't find me rereading much.

[Espeonage]

Just going to chime in and say that I chose my gif specifically because I was sads after being killed night 1 with roleblocker in the recent Pokemon U-Pick.

[Espeonage]

So a thought occurs. Why was it scummy for me to want a no lynch. I had reasoning.

[Espeonage]

Well that seals it. It's you.

Vote: Anen

Tell me in your infinite wisdom why it is anti town for me to have wanted a no lynch.

Like seriously, wouldn't scum have wanted a lynch. I was against a lynch before NM was even on the block. And he flips universal backup. Where is the logic in that? Your reasoning is falwed and now I know it's because it's contrived and made up.

[Espeonage]

NM was useless anyway. He's got no power due to there not being any PRs dead, he's getting lynched the next day most likely anyway. So it seems like a really clear bus to me. I would have hammered in your position as well.

Also, I've been quite vocal that I don't think it's kaboose, so no I wasn't hoping you'd vote kaboose.

You voted me, if the scum is kaboose the game is over anyway because he hammers me. Therefore correct play is to vote you because that is the only ay I have of winning. If you aren't scum I've already lost.

[Espeonage]

Damn coin flip.

If was, advocating no lynch with unversal backup partner vs hammering when they didn't have to. And those were about even in absurdness I feel.

Well played town. that was difficult.

[Espeonage]

For the record. The hammer on TS was an accident.

[Espeonage]

Being unintentionally absent until so close to deadline put us both in such a bad position. I'm actually glad I managed to make a game out of it.

It was a smart fakeclaim by putin hydra. But I took the pot shot in case. If it didn't work I had a fake block claim on Anen to fall back on.

[Espeonage]

I had no intention of ever killing you. I was certain that someone would have picked up that it was an incredibly easy bus for you to have done at no real cost because NM had no way of not being quicklynched after that IC claim.

Kaboose was completely dumb with his logic for why you couldn't be scum. NM would have been disproven the moment day 2 started.

And the TS hammer was completely accidental. I honestly didn't realise he even has a single vote on him already.