UK Meet 2015 Invitational (Game Over)

[Patrick]

Votecount

Nexus (1) -- Ampersand
Elmo (1) -- Porochaz

Not voting: ChannelDelibird, Elmo, Primate, Nexus, Shanba
7 alive, 4 to lynch.

[Shanba]

Ampersand: yes

[Shanba]

Ok, well I guess CDB hasn't confirmed or unconfirmed the claim. Up to him I guess.

I mean, CDB is plenty plausible as a track target from the gleanings of prozac's mind we had yesterday - he's sorta wishy-washy on him a few times, which I think is a good person to target with an info role.

Mafia tracker is one of the cards, I think.

IDK.

Not feeling Elmo or Nexus, and I don't see much point parking my vote on either the claimed power role or the afk guy who's being replaced... I don't see a productive place to vote.

[ChannelDelibird]

I have no reason to doubt Prozac's claim.

This is me saying that a tracker wouldn't have seen me visit anyone last Night.

Mafia tracker is a thing but Prozac feels town, and the track on me seems reasonable for either alignment.

[Shanba]

God damn it

VOTE: PRIMATE

or whoever damn replaces him.

[Porochaz]

Wow, ok so we have gone 34 hours without a post. Thats... a thing. So Ampersand is giving me pause and thats worrying, the Fenchurch side of things has given me town vibes. In F2F that is usually indicative of Fenscum. But there we go. I obviously think CDB is more likely town, since I unvoted Nexus I've been getting a town read off of him due to his style of posting and I dont know about Shanba. Elmo and Primate haven't posted enough for me to gain a read, however lurking to victory might be the optimal strategy here. (although replacing out might not be!) Elmos posts haven't struck me as particularly town.

I wonder if this is a case of knowing each other too well now to be able to form proper reads without second guessing ourselves?

[Nexus]

patrick how you getting on with a primate replacement mate

[Ampersand]

patrick how you getting on with a primate replacement mate

That's the only thing you want to comment on?

[Nexus]

yup. Your vote is in the wrong place but I don't particularly have the energy to argue your points tonight.

I kept my vote on Prozac because I thought that was the best place, until he claimed. I'm inclined to believe his claim right now.

I need to re read but I've not had time to yet. Will do it soon.

[Patrick]

Tammy will be replacing Primate.

[Tammy]

Hi guys!

I have some stuff to catch up on, but I should be able to get this read and give you my thoughts tonight.

[Elmo]

Unsurprisingly I don't want to lynch Porochaz today. I feel like don't have a great handle on the game, so I'm tempted to just sheep someone, but.. uh, I might actually do that.

I kept my vote on Prozac because I thought that was the best place, until he claimed. I'm inclined to believe his claim right now.

Why have you immediately jumped to believing the claim, as distinct from letting him go for today? I have the distinct impression that tracker is a fairly common fakeclaim, honestly I found it mildly scummy just for that. This pings because I absolutely hate it when I'm convinced someone's scum and they get off the hook by waving a claim around, and you've been pretty single-minded on him.

So Ampersand is giving me pause and thats worrying, the Fenchurch side of things has given me town vibes. In F2F that is usually indicative of Fenscum.

Um, please explain?

I briefly reread Primate and it didn't help much, the only thing I remember about forum Primate is he had an odd/lurky playstyle.. Shanba, what specifically pinged for you? I remember you talked about one part about him feeling stressed, but I think you talked about posts plural. I think what you pointed out is weird, but it's also pretty weird to post it as scum.

CDB having that many town reads seems off at this point. Hey, CDB, what's your read on Primate/Tammy now, and why?

I'm mulling a theory where CDB-scum overestimates his ability to read Nexus-town and ends up giving reasoning that seems really stretched. I'm not sure how dumb that sounds. I have to reread this specifically, ugh. I do remember him making a side comment about the AV lynch that seemed intended to earn him town cred but did nothing to stop the lynch from happening. I remember disliking his Shanba vote in #223 but not why. Hmm.

[Tammy]

VOTE: leap of faith

Hopefully, I'll finish this read tonight, but there's a good chance I pass out mid-read. So, probably no thoughts from me until tomorrow.

[Tammy]

Oh hey that wasn't that bad actually. At first I felt like I was crashing a party, but it started to settle early. There's still some subtext thee that I feel like I'm missing, but maybe a fresh pair of outside eyes is what this game needs!

I do want to think about a few things and reread a few parts tomorrow and address some things when I'm actually at a computer, so please hold for that.

My biggest town reads are ampersand and Prozac. Ampersand because of fen's reflection posting - also liked the post where she was posting then said okay just talked to ces or something as it felt stream of consciousy. Prozac I had no idea on until the claim, and yeah tracker might not be town but I loved the post where he said it might be hard reading this game because of how well everyone knows each other. I realize he could say that regardless of alignment but it felt honest and not preplanned, and might really sound that way to me because it's something I've been contemplating lately with regards to ,y own games in that I feel like my reads have been sucking lately because I keep playing with friends and I have a hard time scum reading them. Anyway, I really liked that post.

Nexus - what has your read on CDb been this game?

[Nexus]

I'm always uncomfortable when CDB says he town reads me as heavily as he has today. Like I said yesterday, I need to re-read properly - my head isn't really in a good place at the minute so the re-read keeps falling further and further down my list of priorities.

Sorry!

[Ampersand]

Yayyy, hi Tammy!

I'm mulling a theory where CDB-scum overestimates his ability to read Nexus-town and ends up giving reasoning that seems really stretched. I'm not sure how dumb that sounds. I have to reread this specifically, ugh. I do remember him making a side comment about the AV lynch that seemed intended to earn him town cred but did nothing to stop the lynch from happening. I remember disliking his Shanba vote in #223 but not why. Hmm.

I could believe this. CES suggested a theory when I voted Nexus, that CDB and Nexus could be scum together, and that would be a reason for CDB declaring a strong but false townread on Nexus. But actually, CDB could be scum by himself and this would still work.

The problem for me in this game isn't really that we know each other too well; it's just that nobody is playing in a way that strikes me clearly as their town or scum game. Everyone is in range of both. Which makes it hard to get conviction in any read.

Still, it's a small game and I feel like I've narrowed things down a bit now. Elmo seems slightly more town just for making good points about CDB and on Nexus' reaction to Poro's claim. Tammy is [read pending].

Currently wiling to vote Nexus, Shanba, CDB.

- Fenchurch

[Patrick]

Shanba and CDB have been prodded.

[ChannelDelibird]

Hello Tammy, thanks for replacing in!

Sorry for the continued blips of activity, guys; I've let myself get really distracted from the site over the last few days for reasons unclear to me.

People questioning my Nexus read is pretty incredibly meh, though. I don't even understand it.

[Tammy]

So, I had this weird dream last night where I had come to a cabin in the woods and you guys were playing mafia and I joined in and gave my thoughts and some blonde guy started raging at me that it wasn't enough and I wasn't scum hunting enough and I was like "I read the game while in bed and was on my iPad and gave my thoughts, why are you yelling at me when I thought I started off pretty well." I woke up pretty confused and kinda half-eyed the game to make sure I didn't get yelled at which is pretty silly because you guys across the pond probably wouldn't do that in the first place, well who would? Anyway, I thought it was amusing.

One thing that did keep repeating to me in the dream though was Nexus' assertions that he got his favorite role. I don't remember seeing anyone react to that at all and it kinda surprised me that he's on people's suspect list while doing something that I thought would be familiar or that would spark a response. I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe I'm misremembering how many times he said it.

I also think I'm misremembering the cdb-nexus connection. I thought that they had a two-way easy read connection in that they both thought they could read each other very well. I remember cdb thinking he could read nexus very well and then getting paranoid and helping to mislynch him in red wedding, and then in the next game, fantasy camp?, talking about that and having a more definite read. But what I think I'm misremembering is that nexus also feels like he can read cdb well off of very little which was confusing me somewhat here.

I don't think the two of them can be partnered though, or are very likely. If cdb does feel, and it's substantiated by other games, that he can read Nexus, I doubt if they were partnered he'd be likely to read him as strongly town because I don't think* Nexus has a very strong scum game and would likely be caught which would put cdb in a bad position. And with you guys all knowing each other so well and being friends I think he'd be less likely to get away with town reading his scum partner Nexus, who would likely be caught as scum, and then there he'd be looking too obvious. Therefore I doubt very seriously they are scum together, and with there being only one kill last night, there's the likelihood that there's just one scum team, which means one of them is likely town.

Fenchurch - I saw that you're currently willing to vote CDB, what does CES think about the no track result on cdb from last night?

*My memory of Nexus' scum game comes from hearing that he lurks like hell as scum though is not substantiated but seeing him in a scum hydra with faraday in mafiastuck where I think faraday imitated him to make him see more active :/

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Okay I'm going to do some of the iso's I said I wanted to last night and will try to get some questions/other thoughts that weren't so forefront here in a minute. I do need to stop waiting until late at night to play mafia though so if I start rambling or not making sense, I apologize and will try to fix it tomorrow.

[Tammy]

Oh, I was hoping to find something off of the Avox lynch, but he didn't really do himself any favors there, though in hindsight his crumbs were pretty obvious. But, in game I'd have probably found him suspicious too, and I think that he had the unfortunate circumstance of being a solo mason, and maybe I'm just a bit forgiving there because I think 90% of the time I've been a solo mason in greater idea on Skype I've been mislynched. So.

Maybe something can be learned from the Hito kill. Though I suppose that the killers also could have expected Ampersand to be healed and went for the second option.

[Tammy]

Okay need to ground myself: Town reading/not willing to lynch today - Ampersand and Porochaz

Probably at least one town here: CDB/Nexus

Everyone else: Elmo, Shanba

Hrm.

[Tammy]

You're right. I'm scum and I decided to confess. I've never been flustered by a wagon on me as town before. Certainly not at the very meet which thus we celebrate.

i dunno i only played like three games at the last meet and I've been drunk since then

i like this post. It might be the drunk part though.

[Tammy]

I was going to make a scummy-looking comment about something Fenchurch didn't post because she thought it looked scummy but then I thought that comment looked scummy so I didn't post it.

But yeah, we should probably just lynch insp.

Vote: insp

I love this post because it reminds me of when mina and I hydrad in the reckoning and she left me this message about a scummy looking post she wanted to post but didn't, and then like a half an hour later posted it and went OOPS.

Anyway, this and the later posting of said scummy thought along with reflective posting is what made me think they're town. Which I'm glad that it's fen church doing the most of the posting here because i was stupidly paranoid about ces in team mafia, and maybe I don't give fen church enough credit for what she's likely to do in a scum game, but her thoughts just feel so damn transparent and honest that I just think it's town.

[Tammy]

At least I'm not trying to get you mislynched this time? That should be helpful.

Primate, you should place a vote.

Oh I remember, this is the only post I worried about from Ampersand.

In yoloville, CES made a similar type of "mislynch" slip and I should have paid more attention to it when Vi pointed it out.

I don't really think it's anything here because damn does the rest of their posting read so town, but don't want to overlook anything right now.

[Tammy]

I'm way town, though!

Honestly kinda understand the votes on me and am rather self-conscious at the moment

{..}

Huh? What changed?

This felt stretchy. I didn't think this felt contradictory.

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I'm sorry I'm spamming; I think you guys prefer big walls, but.