512: Bojack Horseman Season 2 (Over)

[Kaboose]

/confirm

[Kaboose]

VOTE: polar vortex

I am, without having a second head.


Anyone else here in the 90s was on a famous tv show? Just me?

Sheep me then!

VOTE: Firebringer

You can't trick me.

All aboard this for town glory!

[Kaboose]

VOTE: polar vortex

I am, without having a second head.


Anyone else here in the 90s was on a famous tv show? Just me?

Sheep me then!

VOTE: Firebringer

You can't trick me.

All aboard this for town glory!

I don't trick, I use subtle diversions to cast your eyes on me when their is actual scum lurking.

We're you on a famous tv show ?

I feel like you're semi-rolefishing.

[Kaboose]

It's D1, so I'm scum to everyone regardless of what I do.

But I won't stop loving you, you, or you.

<3

[Kaboose]

inb4 Wisdom and ETL are scum team

[Kaboose]

Wisdom seems off to me from other games we've played together.

VOTE: Wisdom

i like this vote, others do this

[Kaboose]

What about the game that just ended? The one where you were NK'd N1 and I told Vig to shoot the scum?

[Kaboose]

yeah just confirmed - in all games I've played with Kaboose I was scum

i am off in comparison to my scum games so im scum - makes sense!

Including this one?

[Kaboose]

Kaboose, are you familiar with the flavor?

Very familiar.

[Kaboose]

Before I catch up, my Wisdom thing is that, he normally seems methodical to me in his posts. And these posts seem to have more emotion and not like a good emotion but just a weird feeling to them. Like he's being snarky or cheeky or something. I don't know, I just read some of them and got that vibe.

[Kaboose]

Well that was a disappointing read.

[Kaboose]

So are we playing or what?
Are we waiting for mod?

[Kaboose]

inb4 this was ETL and Wisdom's plan the whole time

#ScumTeam

[Kaboose]

I'm okay with a no lynch today as well.

[Kaboose]

VOTE: firebringer

You are no longer welcome here.

[Kaboose]

Like a night kill?

[Kaboose]

No need for that type of post either Kaboose.

???

[Kaboose]

I'm okay with a no lynch today as well.

Kaboose, when firebringer brought up his nolynch attitude, you supported it. But after we me and ETL go after him, he votes him without explanation and never comments on the no-lynch attitude. Why is this?


And when I thought you said Firebringer had no place here like you meant we should policy lynch him. And I thought that was rude. But it's possible you just found him suspicious so again, please explain the suspicion

The no lynch seemed a good idea until his posts talking to ETL happened, and then I didn't like him again. I also don't like his softing.

[Kaboose]

Are you just going to soft all the characters in the show?

[Kaboose]

@ Kaboose/Firebringer, you missed my questions to you in Post 262.

I answered your question at the bottom in one of my last two posts. I voted him for that reason, go look it up.

As for Wisdom. From my memory of our games and his flips, it's probably true. He was different this game to me, and I just didn't realize before he mentioned it that it should have lead me to assuming he was town because of that.

I probably was unable to figure it out because, as he mentioned, I've never played with him as town. So I never had a game with him as town to compare how he was acting.

[Kaboose]

Question to everyone:

What person lynched rightn. Ow would give us the most info?

And why?


I still don't want a lynch today but I would like to hear peoples thoughts

How am I being scum read more than this person?

[Kaboose]

So Metal Sonic, what do we do if you're NKd? Still policy lynch ETL?

[Kaboose]

ETL is town

, don't waste the investigation on her

what makes you so sure?

No, I'm not sure.

Her play is still town. Still, there are lots of people who are blank spots. Who would be much better targets. Like really, the only reason for this is to avoid a policy lynch that we weren't doing in the first place. Her explanation is fine and natural to me

You really seemed sure at first. Are you sure you're not sure?

[Kaboose]

@WingBack - 321

I was not aware that Wisdom has always been scum in our games. Especially considering we just had one where he was town(he did only manage one post before he was NK'd though).

You're scum reading me because of my poor memory of my previous games?

I noticed something was off about Wisdom, when something seems off I think scum. He brought up that he's usually a scummer in games we've been in together. He winds up being town this time. It now makes sense to me why something was off.

I can't make this any different. It is what it is. I did not have enough time to put it together before Wisdom put it together for me.

[Kaboose]

I can remember how people act, but I can't remember what they flip. I think it's unreasonable to suggest that because I know how someone played before means I could remember and realize they were always scum when I've played with them.

Also, you're saying I'm scum for me changing my mind!

Firebringer suggested a no lynch, and at the time it made sense.

Then he spoke more and I disliked him and decided he could be lynched and I would be happy about it.

[Kaboose]

He said "I thought he could be lynched so I jumped on him"<---- exactly how scum thinks and not really how town does. Scum mindset. I've exageratted that scumslip idea, but this is the strongest evil read for me at least

So you admit town could think like that. But I'm scum anyways.

[Kaboose]

When I play a game, I remember the reads I had, which reads were right and which reads were wrong. I watch for the flips throughout the game and after the game ends to reflect on whether I was right or wrong. If a player I was townreading flips scum, I remember that I misread him and he got past me. If I read them correctly, I keep in mind the tells I have for them that were accurate. And vice-versa if a player flips town. I don't understand how you remembered his play and behavior in past games but forgot that he was scum. Normally when players make reads based off of past games, it typically follows a pattern of "I've misread this player" or "I have a method for accurately reading this player and I was accurate in these games." You'd then use what you learned in future games for a hopefully more accurate read this time around.

That's so cool that you do all that. But I don't. I've played enough games with Wisdom to have recollection of his posting style to some degree. I've played with ETL before too and really have no clue how to read them. I don't even know what her alignment was in any of them either. Not without going back and looking. And I wouldn't even know what MY alignment was in any of those games without looking.

I think I remember us being on the same scum team once.

This is such a bullshit thing to pin on me.

[Kaboose]

I really thought that vote put me at like L-1 or something... But like that's my first vote. I have all these scum reads on me and 1 vote.

[Kaboose]

I looked forward from when mod said the vote count was reset. I only saw MS's vote.

[Kaboose]

How do you feel about Kaboose now?

Probably scum. My initial reason was wrong but his posts so far have only brought up more concerns and I've yet to see anything that looks town from him.

You're scumreading both Kaboose and Firebringer.

What do you make of them mutually pushing each other?

So I was looking for something else and saw this.

I then looked for something based off the bolded part.

ETL never said out loud that she scum read me. She hasn't said it before this post, and hasn't said it since this post. Not once.

I think the closest she may have gotten, and please correct me ETL or anyone else if you actually did say something closer to the tune of "Kaboose is scum", was that something I said "pinged" her.

So why is Wingback creating reads for someone else?

[Kaboose]

Kaboose - I agreed with many of wingback's points about you.

p-edit: I was speaking generally.

I was re-reading it and that's probably where it came from. So fair enough.

ETL, you may have missed my point against Kaboose. It's an acute version of yours on Sonic. He mentioned he voted firebringer because other people(me and you) jumped on him. That's the wall(if you think that's a wall... ) he's mentioned(and also the "scumslip")

When did I ever say I was voting someone because you two jumped on him? I voted him because of his terrible reaction to ETL trying to play the game "Well that was long and boring" which is miserable for a town person to say imo and doesn't fit a town mindset. ETL was giving reads, explaining her viewpoint on the game, and Firebringer wanted to discourage that. IMO that attitude is lynch worthy regardless of alignment. But you'd have to wonder why town would act that way, which I can't see town doing. Therefore scum read goes to Firebringer.

A lot of people filling in their own blanks in this game and it's really annoying.

[Kaboose]

I don't see how people don't get what ETL is saying... Especially Polar seeing as he thought there were enough votes on me to be worried about hammering.

Polar didn't want to accidentally hammer, and MS didn't seem to care if he was. That's got to be a problem for you Polar, no? As in you have to see a problem with MS's vote?

[Kaboose]

I don't see how people don't get what ETL is saying... Especially Polar seeing as he thought there were enough votes on me to be worried about hammering.

Polar didn't want to accidentally hammer, and MS didn't seem to care if he was. That's got to be a problem for you Polar, no? As in you have to see a problem with MS's vote?

No, I don't see a problem with that specific thing. I guessed sonic wouldn't actually hammer and if it was a first vote who cares? I of course didn't like his vote because no explanation and ETL makes some good points(like Sonic is just discussing techicalities in some of his posts). But I think the "he was just skimming" is weak. Like if Sonic was skimming, didn't ETL do the same thing missing my points on you?

And kaboose, can you explain in your own words what problem do you have with that vote in particular? Preferable not copying just what ETL said please.

Mine

VOTE: kaboose

I really thought that vote put me at like L-1 or something... But like that's my first vote. I have all these scum reads on me and 1 vote.

I probably have a bigger problem with the people who were all scum reading me but allowed this to be the first vote.

[Kaboose]

Then why aren't you pushing me/wingback at all? In fact, you haven't mentioned any scum read on us.

Can I give a full list of reads please?

Yes you can, you don't have to ask me.

I think the scum are probably in Firebringer, MS, with you and wingback as a close second and third.

ETL is town until proven otherwise.

Is anyone else playing?

[Kaboose]

How about the fact you questioned MS's vote, but then defended it against ETL?

[Kaboose]

Hey Wingback, you want my password so you can just type whatever for me and that way you can quit making things up and have them actually be true?

[Kaboose]

boring

This post is where my vote came from. If anyone else suggests it was for any other reason, they can kindly fuck off for being ignorant.

[Kaboose]

Well now I can't explain why it's suspicious because then I'll be scum read for saying what ETL said.

[Kaboose]

Tells me Kaboose jumped from null to scum for me.

You're going to have to do better than that. Explain why. And why, if he's scum, you feel like letting him live another day rather than voting for him right now?

No matter how positive always leave room for error.

I have night actions which might help me sort out Kaboose.

i am a cop. in order to remove all wifom from etl i am going to cop her tonight because otherwise she might have to be policy lynched.

I'm getting really tired of defending myself over what I really consider stupid reasons to be scum reading me.

I'm Bojack Horseman, and I really hate all of you. Which is surprisingly in character and out right now.

My role is "Bojack of All Trades" I currently have no powers but if certain events in the game happen I get them and get to do stuff. Not that it matters now because I'm dead inside, and probably soon to be dead on the outside.

You may be asking yourself, why the long face Bojack? And I'll continue to think none of you will laugh at this joke. Although the joke is because I'm a horse, so that's why I have a long face. Get it?

You may also be asking yourself "why do you have these two posts quoted Bojackaboose? And why did I just call you Bojackaboose? That's a terrible nickname."

Well one flat out claimed cop. The other softed at a possible ability that, who knows? could be a cop-ish ability.

So being that I'm a "Bojack of All Trades" and thinking to myself "Hey Bojackaboose, that's a really terrible nickname." and also feeling like usually a "Jack of All Trades" role gets a cop check... I would have to assume one of the two are lying.

Maybe even both? I don't know. I'm just a horse.

[Kaboose]

I enjoy getting to D2 as fast as possible, I really do. I think D1 can be a lot of wasteful posting where town speculates a bunch of stuff that will immediately change upon some flips. Town plays D1 with little to no information and when I see people trying to figure the entire game out on D1 it does kind of irritate me. However, I'm much more all business as the days go on, and want conversations to happen, and want opinions of this or that to be laid out. I would never suggest people just stop talking or be negative about their conversations and more or less tell them to stop talking.

First, I'm legit scum reading firebringer. To no end. He won't stop being scum read until he manages to somehow convince the mod to flip him as town.

I also don't see his attitude at all helpful today, and I don't see it changing tomorrow.

His lynch will be the only thing I support today over a no lynch.

We are approaching 30 pages of D1. If that's not enough content for you to figure something out, I'm sorry. But we should strongly consider moving this game forward one way or the other because we're going to soon need something new to discuss.

[Kaboose]

I didn't like his softing, I'm convinced one of him or MS is scum, based on their claims that I've already mentioned.

So it's a tie between them that is broken by Firebringer's attitude.

[Kaboose]

Hi etl, I can chat.

[Kaboose]

i dont care if you townread me or not ms. i'm going to lynch you tomorrow if you dont have something better than you had today.

hi kaboose. who is your strongest townread?

I really like Polar Vortex, although being forced to explain every post can get annoying at times... They've asked questions and are looking to figure the game out.

Then comes you.

After you I will town read wingback because of you, but I don't know if I would if it wasn't for your read on them. I don't know if they would be scum, because I've got those two spots filled out but they wouldn't be town read.

Everyone else until you get to MS and FB are town based on process of elimination.

[Kaboose]

my top 2 scum reads are voting someone together which is enough for me to think wingback is probably town.

But to answer your question, ETL, if it wasn't for you reading them as town... I would still be, and probably still am, PISSED that I would get scum read for something as terrible as "I remember everything about all my games from the past, why don't you?" That was the basis for their push on me being scum and I'm still baffled I was being scum read beyond that.

Telling me I'm scum, because I thought Wisdom was playing differently that what I'm used to, but I didn't realize until after he mentioned he was always scum in every game we've played together until this one... I was really scum read for that. Because of my memory? I guess? Because I play so many games and only have enough room in my head for the ones I'm playing, not the ones I've played? You know how many players, and flips I would have to remember to be town in wingback's eyes at that point?

I can recall a player, and a playstyle to the extent of how they usually are and aren't. But I don't use "meta" anywhere near how a lot of people use it on this site because I don't believe in meta. All I could tell from this game was I've played with Wisdom and usually the things he does and says hypnotize me to some point and make perfect sense.. But this game it just seemed different. Because I couldn't put the pieces together before Wisdom explained it to me... I was scum.

That's why I wouldn't town read wingback with out you ETL. Because it was bullshit to scum read me for that.

[Kaboose]

He claimed he was a cop, why would you need him to say it again?

[Kaboose]

He claimed he was a cop, why would you need him to say it again?

I am willing to let him slide if he admit sight now he was lying .

He gets honesty points even if he lied to begin with.

If it comes day two and he says he lied I am lunching with no arguments.

no no no no no no no no no no no no no

Please lynch this guy. We don't let liars slide. EVER.

[Kaboose]

No, lynching all liars, catches scum and promotes good town play. Read a wiki.

[Kaboose]

What so everyone is a fucking cop in this game?

[Kaboose]

guys, this day has gone too long. Figure out that you want to lynch firebringer already plz

[Kaboose]

We did?

[Kaboose]

sorry it's so long...

That's what

I

said.... hehe... get it because I'm a horse?

Anyways..

You do get it right?

Right, so I would you be mad if I said "I want to lynch Sthar over MS because I just don't think MS is scum but I don't think he's a cop."?

[Kaboose]

VOTE: sthar

[Kaboose]

AtE like a muthafucka

[Kaboose]

I'm giving out town points for those who vote Sthar

[Kaboose]

I'm giving out town points for those who vote Sthar

where's mine?

You partner should come get some of them plz

[Kaboose]

@ Sthar, have you ever self-voted before in frustration as either alignment?

What does that matter?

[Kaboose]

I believe sthar to be a better player than one to be figured out via past games.

[Kaboose]

ETL

[Kaboose]

50 pages of in a micro already missing 1 player.

Why? Srsly. Why?

Like we can not win this game today. We are beyond adding useful things to this game. It needs to be D2.

[Kaboose]

I'm happy with the scum team being Wingback and Sthar at this point.

[Kaboose]

VOTE: wingback

[Kaboose]

This day has gone too long without a lynch now. All we've done is go in a circle. Before long I'll be scum read again. We need info, we need night kills, we need lynches, we need flips.

We apparently have all these cops/investigations in the game. Let's get the fuck to the night phase and see what happens?

[Kaboose]

Because they have about twice as many question marks(?) than posts in their ISO.

We are beyond needing to ask questions. If you don't have reads now, you're stalling and looking to kill this game. We need to continue now.

[Kaboose]

have you explained why you think Wingback is scum?

Because they have about twice as many question marks(?) than posts in their ISO.

We are beyond needing to ask questions. If you don't have reads now, you're stalling and looking to kill this game. We need to continue now.

[Kaboose]

This is intent to let myself be lynched or hammer the first thing to L1. END. THIS. DAY.

[Kaboose]

and it's a 53 page D1, don't forget that either

[Kaboose]

I'm happy with the scum team being Wingback and Sthar at this point.

where'd you get this from?

Gut.

It's D1, I don't have a clue about anything. I need to see some flips so I can start figuring this game out.

You're all just standing around trying to solve a puzzle without any pieces to it.

[Kaboose]

I'm so happy this day will end in a no lynch anyways.

I have absolutely no reads. I have no way to call anyone scum because there is just simply too much content. I'm not ISOing anyone when they have 250+ posts because I will get to the 10th and all the letters will merge together.

Good job scum, you've completely removed my care from the game by making it last way too long.

[Kaboose]

I'm so happy this day will end in a no lynch anyways.

I have absolutely no reads. I have no way to call anyone scum because there is just simply too much content. I'm not ISOing anyone when they have 250+ posts because I will get to the 10th and all the letters will merge together.

Good job scum, you've completely removed my care from the game by making it last way too long.

If you're reading the game you should have reads by now, especially if you think scum's been spamming.

Oh should I? Were you the one who also told me I should remember everything about all the games I've ever played too?

[Kaboose]

I'm so happy this day will end in a no lynch anyways.

I have absolutely no reads. I have no way to call anyone scum because there is just simply too much content. I'm not ISOing anyone when they have 250+ posts because I will get to the 10th and all the letters will merge together.

Good job scum, you've completely removed my care from the game by making it last way too long.

If you're reading the game you should have reads by now, especially if you think scum's been spamming.

Oh should I? Were you the one who also told me I should remember everything about all the games I've ever played too?

Yes, you should. No, that wasn't me. I'll be happy if you remember most things from THIS game.

Sorry that ship sailed about 36 pages worth of posts ago.

[Kaboose]

I again feel a little strange that sthar isn't voting MS. I think that scum-sthar would definitely be voting MS at this stage, but I also think that town-sthar would be doing the same. That he's not is weird and strange and makes me think I don't know his play as well as I think I do. I still prefer MS as a lynch though.

if i vote sonic kaboose will hammer. i'm waiting for pie's wall.

Sthar, what's the point of wanting to vote someone if you don't want them lynched?!

[Kaboose]

VOTE: Sonic