512: Bojack Horseman Season 2 (Over)
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In post 66, sekai no ki wrote:In post 64, Polar Vortex wrote:Firebringer, how many themed games have you completed?
I'm feeling ETL's overreaction to Wisdom scummy. Initially found it town, but the way he continued with it doesn't seem genuine IMO
-Bearbert head
have you played with ETL before?
does your other head have an opinion?
I have one game played on this site and no, not with ETL. I'm currently waiting for the Snowstorm opinion on ETL and Firebringer so no, I have no clue what he thinks-
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In post 65, Wisdom wrote:wanna vote her?
Not especially, don't think wagoning her would give us more info. We've seen the reactions we need. More votes would mean more of the same.
Would rather wagon
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In post 77, Kaboose wrote:inb4 Wisdom and ETL are scum team
I'm actually thinking this is a legit possibility. The interaction really doesn't make sense to me. And it does ping as bussing imho
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In post 66, sekai no ki wrote:In post 64, Polar Vortex wrote:Firebringer, how many themed games have you completed?
I'm feeling ETL's overreaction to Wisdom scummy. Initially found it town, but the way he continued with it doesn't seem genuine IMO
-Bearbert head
have you played with ETL before?
does your other head have an opinion?
I don't think ETL's reaction is scummy. I'm actually more worried about Wisdom because I don't understand what he's aiming at with this push.-
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I found ESL scummy, but thought Firebringer was scummier. Like I thought he was softclaiming some flavour to appear town(like he'd think we'd assume Bojack would be a town person. I didn't get the reference at that point, but thought it was obvious he was softclaiming a character) and also somehow fishing for roles like Kaboose was saying. I also don't like 78 which looks to me like a "look at how I don't care about these votes" type of post which scum sometimes do
I'll also trust Snowstorm's opinion on ESL. I was waiting for it before going that way and he seems cool with her play+at this point wagoning would be more to get a reaction and judging from her interaction with Wisdom, I don't think her reaction would lead us to get a better read on her.
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In post 97, Firebringer wrote:I was not making a soft claim I was referring to intro song to show. >.>
Ok, got that. Cool
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I'm glad someone finally asked! It was pretty romantic. I first met Bearbert when I was seventeen years old. I was taking the bus to meet my father at his work - he was taking me to buy my first car. While I was standing at the bus stop just up the hill from an intersection, I noticed this guy watching me from the corner at the bottom of the hill. It made me smile at first, and then a little uncomfortable. Then he started walking across the intersection towards the other side of the street - but the whole time he was walking he kept looking back at me and smiling. I thought it was kind of cute - although he didn't typically look like the type of guy that I was attracted to. He had long black hair past his shoulders, a torn black leather jacket, and had a 3-day growth on his beard. When he got to the opposite corner of the intersection, he just leaned against the building and watched me - flirting with me with the sexy look in his eyes and his sweet little grin. I couldn't help but smile back and at the same time. I kept thinking to myself "what a silly guy for standing there and staring at me like that!" Well then, he started walking back across the intersection to the same side of the street as I was on! I kept thinking "Oh my god! Why is he coming back over here! Where is my bus! Oh my god, why did I smile at him!" Needless to say - my bus didn't get to me before he did. We talked briefly, small talk about where I was going, etc. And then he asked if he could call me and we could go out sometime. I don't know what possessed me to give him my telephone number - it was so out of my character to give my number to a guy I didn't even know at all. Looking back I believe it was some type of fate - like we made a connection without really understanding it at the time. Anyways, my bus came along and he went his way, and I went to buy my car. Within a couple of days he called and we made plans to go for coffee. I had my car then, and so I was to pick him up at his brother's home where he was living at the time, and we would go out from there. The date was set. Unfortunately, there was a mix up in the address he gave me. I spent an hour and a half trying to find the address on 10th Street that I later found out was actually on 10th Avenue! Thinking that I had been stood up, I decided to go back home and forget about persuing this date. And since I didn't have his number, there wasn't much I could do anyways. I carried on with my friends as usual - going out, meeting lots of new people, and having fun.
FOUR MONTHS LATER..........I get this phone call, from a guy, and the first thing he says is "guess who this is?" Well, during the past four months I had met a lot of new people, and a lot of guys, so I started naming all of the guys that I could think of. By the time I named the fifth or sixth guy I knew, he interrupted by saying "maybe it wasn't such a good idea that I called". He finally tells me that he's the guy that I met at the
bus stop, and asks me why I stood him up on our date! (To this day we still disagree as to whose mistake this really was.) By this time he had his own place and we did get together for coffee. In only 2 short weeks we had fallen so deeply in love with each that it scared the both of us - especially since we were both still quite young. Within 3 months he asked me to hydra with him - and after 9 months I finally said "yes".
TLDR:What he said in #182, but I like my version better.-
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In post 226, Firebringer wrote:In post 223, Polar Vortex wrote:No lynch is still a bad idea I think. We'd better no-lynch at 4 people not now. Plus, if we have a vig or a heal or something like that, the no-lynch is meaningless.
Let's assume since it's 9 player game 2-7 was original composition.
Now if we lynch now and it flips town that's two town gone with possible third in the night.
So six players left in day 2, we mislynch there and they get a kill it's game over.
So worst case scenario this game is over by end of day 2.
Because you guys want to lynch,
Why do we think we lynch tomorrow? Why no-lynch today amd lynch tomorrow and not the other(correct) way?-
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-Firebringer proposes a bad plan.
- I point out the obvious flaws in it
- He explains something making an obvious wrong assumption
- I point that out as well
- Ok, I'm a horrible player and he will ignore me
Notice that ignoring me gives him the perfect reason to sidestep my questions for him. Quite a fan of ad hominem as a defense our little dragon.-
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There is absolutely no need for the words idiots to be used. It just dumbs down the discussion. And I'll support the feelings that I guess my other head wanted to transmit with the why. No need for that type of post either Kaboose.
You think we have enough information. How? Why? Enough information is only when you've caught the whole scumteam. Has you majesty done that yet?
And you've ignored my point about lynching today and going to night tomorrow. Because you can't go back on your point. You have to straight up dive ahead and ignore the completly logical objections to your plan. And then you ignore the question about why Kaboose is scum. Why? Because you have no idea so you just repeat the point when asked to explain-
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In post 211, Kaboose wrote:I'm okay with a no lynch today as well.
Kaboose, when firebringer brought up his nolynch attitude, you supported it. But after we me and ETL go after him, he votes him without explanation and never comments on the no-lynch attitude. Why is this?
And when I thought you said Firebringer had no place here like you meant we should policy lynch him. And I thought that was rude. But it's possible you just found him suspicious so again, please explain the suspicion-
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Interesting claim. And the way it was done is quite natural. The reveal makes sense. But it looks like an evil role to me personally(without full knowledge of what the role actually does. I'd like some description of what it does if it isn't a problem). But why do I think it seems evil role even though I'm not aware of what it does? Because I presume it's linked with Wisdom's role and I can totally see one evil and one innocent linked in this way.
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In post 267, Kaboose wrote:Are you just going to soft all the characters in the show?
Why is this suspicious by itself rather than just annoying?-
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In post 315, Kaboose wrote:
In post 306, Metal Sonic wrote:what makes you so sure?
In post 307, Polar Vortex wrote:No, I'm not sure.Her play is still town. Still, there are lots of people who are blank spots. Who would be much better targets. Like really, the only reason for this is to avoid a policy lynch that we weren't doing in the first place. Her explanation is fine and natural to me
You really seemed sure at first. Are you sure you're not sure?
Well, exagerating reads is what we all do in mafia:P.
And Snow is I'm pretty sure also male-
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In post 318, Firebringer wrote:On the bright side.
Town just got information. Will be helpful for night actions.
Yeaaaaaah, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Yes, town got info but so did scum... And for them knowing the cop is like 100% more important-
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And Wingback has just spoiled the party:/ I was mentioning his gambit a lot in the hope he'll get NK-ed tonight since I have no read on him. And that's what he's going for anyways
And well, from Sonic's pov who would be a blank spot? Us or the other hydra(well, they are a blank spot for me at least). She's said we're suspicious with no explanation whatsoever.-
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I have town reads on you, ETL and shtar. Evil read on firebringer and kaboose.
I'm not bought by firebringer. Think the defence of him is "too bad to be scum" which is almost always bullshit imo.
I've made some points about kaboose. His stance on firebringer doesn't make sense. He supports the no-lynch idea and after he saw me and ETL jumpimg on him, he immediatly remembered thr scum read he had.-
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In post 330, Firebringer wrote:No Lynch is till the best policy on a purely numbers based approach.
I guess maths wasn't your strongest subject... Ok, I'm not the best scumhunter, but my theory is fine. But okx let's say I'm a bad player. Why is everybody agreeing with me then?
Now, wingback, this is why I suspect him. I don't think he actually believes that no-lynch is a good idea. He just went with it and couldn't back down. Seriously, a new player not even thinking that maybe, maybe everybody else is right and he is wrong... And then absolutely completly ignoring the obvious flaw. I've pointed it like 3 times, he hasn't adressed it once. Once. That's not town thinking. And yes, I've been in his position. One against the whole town. And of course at one point I realized I was wrong. And I was a horrible, horrible player.-
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The reaction is just annoying me tbh. The whole: "I have this policy" seems fake to me. Like he wants to lynch the cop. That's what I get. I don't think he actually has an investigative role, think he was just trolling. And sincirely, I don't think firebringer realized Sonic was gambiting. If he had investigative role(as opposed to a tracker or something like that), he'd have claimed on the spot. But hmm, I don't get him. At all.-
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I think backing down from lost arguements is something experienced scum do a lot better than new scum. And I do think I'm a good scum player.
See what I mean? I think firebringer didn't even consider the possibility of Sonic lying. He went with the "lynch all lyers" to see if anybody would go with him, IMO. Plus, the idea that he has an investigative role(something other than a cop that he'd have counterplayed imediatly) is strange... He might have something like a tracker, but that's hardly an innocent specific role
And I admit I may be completly influenced by the fact that I don't get his play at all. I find it nonsensical. Like his only arguement is "the numbers are in my favour" without even bothering to comment on the obvious flaw? Makes no sense. So I just default to a "he's just scum blundering and going on with it because it gives him town points"
And I think scumhunting by partnership this early on is a bad idea. I'm not going to inno read somebody because the other suspect doesn't fit as his partner. I'd rather get a flip(preferably kaboose. Think he has the highest chance of flipping scum+ I think Snowstorm thinks fire is fine)
I disagree with you on Sonic. Think that just on principle we shouldn't lynch a cop claimsnt on day one. Even if it's prob a gambit, there's still a chance he's a real cop and a chance he'll get NK-ed). Tomorrow if he fails to provide any result, he'll get more scrutinity.-
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In post 353, Metal Sonic wrote:Is wingback a hydra or an alt?
Not a hydra. And I think he mentioned being from another site? Or could be an alt of course-
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In post 346, Kaboose wrote:In post 345, Polar Vortex wrote:He said "I thought he could be lynched so I jumped on him"<---- exactly how scum thinks and not really how town does. Scum mindset. I've exageratted that scumslip idea, but this is the strongest evil read for me at least
So you admit town could think like that. But I'm scum anyways.
Worst defence ever. Towm could think like that yes, but it's so much more likely from scum. I mean if you go by this, why do we even lynch at all? Town could have done it. Town could even claim serial killer. Does the fact that a town could do it invalidate the scumminess? No way
What exactly did you find scummy between the post where you agreed with him and where you voted him? If you agreed with his posts at that time, what do you find scummy there?
It looks like you even admitted it. You saw an opportunity for a lynch there on firebringer so you jumped on it. Opportunistical scum-
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In post 361, Metal Sonic wrote:Didn't you explain everything already? I was adding a vote for comic effect
Yeah, but I didn't ask you to explain because I want to find reasons for lynching kaboose(I have those already), I asked because I want a read on you.
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In post 364, Kaboose wrote:I really thought that vote put me at like L-1 or something... But like that's my first vote. I have all these scum reads on me and 1 vote.
Are you sure? I didn't vote because I was afraid of a quicklynch-
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In post 383, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 382, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 377, Metal Sonic wrote:Why didn't Polar Bear vote his biggest scumread after writing a wall about it?
This is disingenuous considering they are a hydra and you know it often takes hydra more time to coordinate, especially if there is a definitive leader that one looks to for input more than the other, which is pretty clearly the case here. Whether they are town or scum doesn't change how that dynamic operates.
Right. So I helped them.
What makes you think that is "scum wanting an easy lynch" instead of "Town wanting to help one another"?
I have some points to add. First here with the phrase "town helping town". How do you know we are town? I can see you could have assumed it, but your last read on me was "not liking what I see here". When and why did your read change? What is your read on us now?-
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In post 382, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 377, Metal Sonic wrote:Why didn't Polar Bear vote his biggest scumread after writing a wall about it?
This is disingenuous considering they are a hydra and you know it often takes hydra more time to coordinate, especially if there is a definitive leader that one looks to for input more than the other, which is pretty clearly the case here. Whether they are town or scum doesn't change how that dynamic operates.
Where did you get this is the case here? There's not really a leader at all between us. I've been posting more because Snow has been busy-
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In post 396, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:But the point was a general one in that his statement read to me like he was trying to cast suspicion on your slot by saying that you didn't vote despite writing a wall about a suspicion that you had, which I found to be disingenuous regarding hydra in general.
With him now saying he's townreading you, negates the statement, however, I really feel like that was the intention. His reads are flipfloppy and make zero sense, and none of them really substantiated.
Yes, it also looked to me like he was casting doubt. But I don't understand the motivation of changing his read there...-
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In post 420, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 419, Polar Vortex wrote:I actually agree with MS on this. The fact that technically people didn't vote kaboose doesn't mean he wasn't paying attention. The distinction is superficial
No no. It's not that by itself. It's the fact that he said he just wanted to "add it". Don't you see that the language implies he thought there were already votes there?
Yes, and I also thought there were votes there. Because it was pretty clear the vast majority agreed kaboose was the main suspect, the fact that people weren't actually voting him is a bit irrelevant-
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In post 423, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 422, Polar Vortex wrote:the fact that people weren't actually voting him is a bit irrelevant
Actually quite the opposite. It says a lot about the game state and those who are making the noise without the votes.
Why would people not be voting a suspect they all agree on?
Wingback was voting him before the reset I think so maybe he forgot to recast his vote?(from the top of my head at least. Maybe not). I was afraid that kaboose had too many votes already so didn't want to vote with no votecount+ wanted to discuss the read with Snowstorm about him(we only talked about wingback, you, sonic and firebringer). I guess the other hydra is in a similar position. So a bit irrelevant here-
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In post 428, Bearbert D wrote:In post 426, Kaboose wrote:I don't see how people don't get what ETL is saying... Especially Polar seeing as he thought there were enough votes on me to be worried about hammering.
Polar didn't want to accidentally hammer, and MS didn't seem to care if he was. That's got to be a problem for you Polar, no? As in you have to see a problem with MS's vote?
No, I don't see a problem with that specific thing. I guessed sonic wouldn't actually hammer and if it was a first vote who cares? I of course didn't like his vote because no explanation and ETL makes some good points(like Sonic is just discussing techicalities in some of his posts). But I think the "he was just skimming" is weak. Like if Sonic was skimming, didn't ETL do the same thing missing my points on you?
And kaboose, can you explain in your own words what problem do you have with that vote in particular? Preferable not copying just what ETL said please.
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