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!"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Someone give me a summary of important happenings? I really don't feel like reading."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Wisdom modkill seems rather harsh given that he was wrong."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Actually, if scum make both their nightkills, we only need to mislynch twice to lose.
Maybe I will read a bit."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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If you feel that your scumread is the very best and you need me on it, feel free to try to sell me. I'll probably end up basing my vote largely on my own views, though."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1278, Polar Vortex wrote:I claimed daycop as a gsmbit
I really hope no-one believed you, this is the worst gambit ever."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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This just means that scum need to get one less successful kill. The only positive utility to this is if you feel that we're better off keeping everyone alive for potential PR actions rather than potentially slaying a PR, which is probably possible but I really don't know if it's optimal."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I also don't know why you're voting NL, given that I recall seeing some huge case you made on PV. Have you changed your mind, or ...?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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But you made that case like 6 pages ago. And linking posts when you're making a case takes ages. So what has he said since then that changed your mind?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1291, Metal Sonic wrote:I still think he's scum but I no longer dare to bet the game on it
But regardless of whether we lynch or not today, we have one lynch left. Today, you can lynch him and get a second chance tomorrow if he flips town. But if we NL today, then you have to stake the game on being correct tomorrow."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from here, MS. I know it's possible that you're operating with more information/influence in the night than I am and if you really think that NL'ing is the correct play then I won't push it. But otherwise, it makes literally no sense.
In fact, as I write this, it occurs to me that keeping PV alive means that he'll likely draw your night action, as well as potentially drawing other night actions. If he's scum, then it's a waste because we could have lynched him today and got extra information during the night, and if he's town, then night actions which could have caught scum were wasted on him. I just can't see how No Lynch benefits us."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Also I feel vaguely uneasy about leaving it up to night actions to win us the game when this game is probably reasonably balanced and it's unlikely to pan out like that."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I definitely need to hear more from MS about that. Aside from that, that's really enough of that from me. I'll try to get some reads tomorrow."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I tried to do it, but my brain is too tired. I'm sorry, sekai, I know we don't have much time, but I was up until 4 am last night and I just don't have the capacity to do it right now. I promise you that I will put serious time into this thing tomorrow.
(I will say that although I definitely have paranoia regarding him I'm probably naturally biased towards townreading him because he's a pretty great guy.)"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 859, Metal Sonic wrote:You have no credibility as a scumhunter and we are all superior to you
This is pretty fucking hilarious. No idea if it's true, but great stuff."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 898, Polar Vortex wrote:I'm a daycop and have just investigated you.
In post 899, Kaboose wrote:What so everyone is a fucking cop in this game?
Actually, this reads like Kaboose is faking his reaction. He's around long enough to see this bullshit gambit played over and over again."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1304, sekai no ki wrote:In post 1300, T S O wrote:I tried to do it, but my brain is too tired. I'm sorry, sekai, I know we don't have much time, but I was up until 4 am last night and I just don't have the capacity to do it right now. I promise you that I will put serious time into this thing tomorrow.
(I will say that although I definitely have paranoia regarding him I'm probably naturally biased towards townreading him because he's a pretty great guy.)
You know we're ffery and pieguy, right?
I didn't!"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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So, I read ETL's ISO regarding sthar. I do not feel particularly sold. That's not meant to sound insulting, but there were really only a few bits that did anything for me - her analysis of the difference between his townplay and scumplay, for example."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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okay yeah I'm finished reading sthar's posts."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I hate to give such a shit wishy-washy read, but I can see good stuff and bad stuff and I haven't really balanced it yet. But, no, I don't feel particularly enthused on a sthar vote right now.
I think a lot of stuff he's done is null - that whole thing with Firebringer's job, for example. I know he does it as town, but he can also easily do it as scum, and he has no reason not to since it's essentially a smokescreen. I thought the timing in his self-vote was a little odd. He selfvoted at 9:31, and typed another post with the unvote which came at 9:33. I just think that if a competent town player decided to selfvote because they were so demoralised, they would have thought it through a little. Even if they then decided against it, they wouldn't make that decision in a minute. Maybe if it was coming from a rash player, I would feel better about it, but that's one trait I wouldn't attribute to him. The speed at which it came makes it feel a little too calculated. Sometimes it feels like there's a lack of scumhunting in his ISO - I really hate when people use this accusation in general because so often it's to cover up a flimsy scumread, but it's true. I think normally town-sthar would be more aggressive with ETL. When I complain as town about a wagon on me I usually pick out one person, either for their awful vote or because I expect better of them. ETL fits the latter criteria pretty easily and I don't know why sthar didn't push her back when he was complaining about the wagon on him. A lot of the things he's doing are extremely safe - "I don't want to sort ETL by d1 lynch" is kinda backing off ETL and a little incongruous given that I can't remember him townreading her once this game. But it's pretty obvious he's kinda demotivated, so I can't really draw a conclusion there. I think a lot of the things ETL levelled against him are unfair - for example, where she calls his #1009 scum gloating. It's not. No-one really seems to have an articulate case on him and I'd expect some kind of kickback if he was scum from his scumpartner given that bussing is kinda anathema in a game like this. It's more like the scumteam are just content to let the hours run down and we eventually agree that he's the best lynch for today and lynch him and it's a town mislynch. I have no idea why individual players want to lynch him and I'd like to hear why given that there's a lot of static rather than real information when it comes to that."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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That's poorly formatted and sometimes incoherent, but it was more stream-of-consciousness than anything. I know that I'm having my cake and eating it too when it comes to that read. Like I said, I need to decide whether the good outweighs the bad."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Quite well! And no, though I kinda hoped I would be when I saw you in the playerlist!"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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General opinion seems to be convening on you for the d1 lynch. You have any particular suspects?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1012, sekai no ki wrote:ffery feels he doesn't look like he's legitimately scum hunting.
This is a fair point, given that I thought the same.
In post 1012, sekai no ki wrote:She thinks the whole "profiling" thing re: Firebringer looked almost like busywork and that it was a very unnatural direction to take with him. pie has her own thoughts on the "profiling", most of which she's explained already (she thinks it looks extremely similar to what he did in the Team Mafia game where he asked her a bunch of playstyle-related questions that had nothing to do with the actual game, probably in order to serve as a distraction. P-EDIT: This might not be the case anymore pending her looking through the game sthar linked and researching other games where he did this)
So this isn't really anything.
In post 1012, sekai no ki wrote:she also thinks the scum hunting sthar has done when he has scum hunted has been relatively shallow (the Kaboose case as the primary example).
I'm not sure I can count "not scumhunting" and "scumhunting shallow when scumhunting" as different points. They're not exactly similar, but they bear a lot of resemblance.
In post 1026, sekai no ki wrote:In post 1020, sthar8 wrote:I think you're applying hindsight to this. Something that makes no sense but has advantage for scum is a good place to wagon on day1. I'm happy to admit that I was probably wrong, but I still think it was a good place to push.
no, i thought as much when it first happened, and i still think it was a poor reason for scum reading him. i think alignment regardless, he would have assumed he could push that "wisdom being different = scum wisdom" without needing to go back and check what his alignment was first. and i think it's very atypical for scum to lie about something like that, given it entirely has to do with how he plays (given enough games, i would expect you could go and find more cases similar to this where he made assumptions based around previous games without checking it first).
i fail to see why town-kaboose would necessarily *have* to check what wisdom's alignment was before pushing him, as you're insinuating here. i think you should know better than to push this kind of semantic issue on somebody without considering the possibility that he just remembered wrong or wasn't thinking correctly
I'm not really sure why this garners a scumread, to tell the truth. Even if you think it's a sloppy argument, I'd venture that he is more likely to be sloppy as town than as scum."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Your case seems to essentially be "not scumhunting". Which is fair enough. I just don't feel confident pushing it given that it sometimes feels when I read back like sthar's not always fully there in the game, and that is a pretty decent explanation to the lack of scumhunting. It might not be right, but it seems more likely than "not scumhunting because scum". I will admit that him not being here isn't a towntell at all, but if you're making a case for him being scum I'm not sure I can run with that.
I also think that you're smart enough to see that, so I fail to understand where your confidence in sthar-scum is coming from. It's the consensus lynch right now, which you are eagerly pushing, and I feel like it has barely any basis."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Sthar, what's your read on Sepai?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Also if people could post more, that would be lovely. Has Wingback even posted today?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I haven't even read Wingback's ISO but he seems to be pretty widely townread so I guess I'll go with that for now."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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My actual reads are sthar-town (I feel he's cleared up my issues pretty indisputably), sepai-maybescum, ms-maybescum."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Also, definitely thinking of ETL."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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But I don't find that particularly scummy, given that if I, the person in ETL's slot, thought that ETL's case was poor-to-non-existent, it seems extremely likely he thought the same, and it follows that she's more likely to be scum who wants an easy mislynch rather than that bad as town. I also agree that my entrance is pretty town, though I would say that anyway, given that all I had to do as scum was ...nothing in order to gain a free sthar mislynch. He is also likely to townread me given that I'm essentially the only one who really wants him alive - that's an extremely town reaction. (Though again it's also what he would do as scum, so it's not indicative one way or the other, but it doesn't make him scum.)"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I am repeatedly feeling unconvinced with this, and while being wrong isn't a scumtell, the confidence with which you approach this is. Unexplained confidence in a poor read is really not something I associate with ffery-town. I don't know pie that well."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I am thinking of voting MS, but I want to be fully sure that I want to on its own merits, before I do."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1356, sekai no ki wrote:how much have you played with Sthar8?
I'm fairly sure we've played a lot together. Upwards of five games, at least. I'm not the authority on his play but it's pretty familiar to me.
In post 1356, sekai no ki wrote:In post 1355, T S O wrote:I am thinking of voting MS, but I want to be fully sure that I want to on its own merits, before I do.
I don't think we'd join you on that vote today.
Why?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1359, Kaboose wrote:I'm so happy this day will end in a no lynch anyways.
I have absolutely no reads. I have no way to call anyone scum because there is just simply too much content. I'm not ISOing anyone when they have 250+ posts because I will get to the 10th and all the letters will merge together.
Good job scum, you've completely removed my care from the game by making it last way too long.
Would you be willing to read the last 4 or 5 pages? For me?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Same to you, Firebringer!"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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(I want to say here that I get really frustrated when people keep outright stonewalling what I'm saying to them and if you're town I'm aware I'm doing it, but it's not me being obtuse for the sake of it - I just consistently disagree with you.)
I agree with a lot of what you're saying here, but not many of the crucial parts. Firstly, I don't think it's beyond scum-MS to make a reasonably plausible case. I am fairly sure he made multiple cases in Team Mafia which were widely accepted as okay - I wanted to go quote them but he has over 1000 posts and I'm not bothered. So the case in and of itself isn't town.
I think #1063 is more likely to come from scum-MS than town-MS. I think I remember, again using meta which I am not 100% sure of, that Metal engaged this kind of forced loquaciousness as scum in TM. I remember feeling the tone being completely off and although that's deliberate, it still rubbed me the wrong way. It's the same thing here. I think the first part of #1129 is blatantly wrong, I feel that MS is easily competent enough to know that it's blatantly wrong. I don't really understand why specifically he got a free pass off you for it given that you later go on to townread him because you feel he's more likely to make more stretched points to impress you as scum? Isn't that exactly what he did?
I don't really feel the next part garners townpoints either given that I as scum would probably use the same "scumreading" methods I use as town, especially if they've worked for me in the past, because they're familiar and efficient. Is there a reason you feel MS-scum is less likely to do this? The part after that is the same - I haven't even read PV's push so I don't know if it's legitimate or not but for the same reasoning as before I don't really think MS should earn townpoints for it."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I also have a nagging feeling that sthar is the town counterwagon to MS-scum. MS being on the opposing wagon but sthar not, the general feeling that it'll be sthar rather than MS who goes down at deadline, and the sheer lack of fucks-to-give in the thread that I would expect coming from sthar's scumpartner if he was on the chopping board all leads me to think I'm right about this."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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VOTE: Metal Sonic"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1361, T S O wrote:In post 1359, Kaboose wrote:I'm so happy this day will end in a no lynch anyways.
I have absolutely no reads. I have no way to call anyone scum because there is just simply too much content. I'm not ISOing anyone when they have 250+ posts because I will get to the 10th and all the letters will merge together.
Good job scum, you've completely removed my care from the game by making it last way too long.
Would you be willing to read the last 4 or 5 pages? For me?
Scratch this - all you need is the most recent three pages. Three pages isn't much to ask."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1368, Wingback wrote:First off, welcome TSO.
Hiya.
In post 1368, Wingback wrote:How much of the thread have you read? It seems like you are aware of Metal Sonic's Polar case and I want to know how informed your view on the game is. Is your scumread on MetalSonic based entirely on content he posted since your replace in?
Really not much of the early thread at all. I've read all of sthar's ISO, all of ETL's ISO, a good few of the recent pages. My scumread on Metal Sonic is based on a few things; me not liking one or two aspects of his PV case, the way he's backing off his PV case when town-MS is confident to a fault, and the one-scum-in-two dichotomy I feel heavily between him and sthar.
In post 1368, Wingback wrote:Do you affirmatively believe Sthar8 is town or is it more of a "I-need-time-to-read-him" type of read? What of his responses are you reading as town as per your Post 1348?
Affirmatively believe. In my post where I laid out my issues, and reasons to townread/scumread, he was able to answer all of them pretty definitively except the lack of scumhunting, which I feel is explainable.
In post 1368, Wingback wrote:I prefer lynching Sonic. I think it is him and one of Sekai, Sthar8, or TSO none of whom I was able to nail a read down with lots of confidence so far.
With respect, if I am scum with Sonic, this would be a pretty marvellous bus."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I again feel a little strange that sthar isn't voting MS. I think that scum-sthar would definitely be voting MS at this stage, but I also think that town-sthar would be doing the same. That he's not is weird and strange and makes me think I don't know his play as well as I think I do. I still prefer MS as a lynch though."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1371, sekai no ki wrote:tso's response to my ms wall is all sorts of NOPE and i will probably need another wall to explain why; this will come after i eat
It would probably need to come soon given the lack of time we have."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I have been avoiding this game since MS flip because I feel sickened by it."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Half of me is saying that sthar must be scum because MS wasn't, but that's the irrational part of me which doesn't use my brain. The fact is that if he is scum he's playing the best fucking scumgame ever. If he was being as slick as usual I would be paranoid as fuck but I'm really sure that he's town. I think it's a read I'd bank the game on. And I normally never feel this about sthar when he is town.
There are too many people in this game I don't really have a read on."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1441, sekai no ki wrote:i'd also like gun-to-the-head thoughts on who you think is scum atm if you don't think sthar is
You."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I know. I haven't really thought about this game at all."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1446, sekai no ki wrote:In post 1445, T S O wrote:I know. I haven't really thought about this game at all.
You replaced in just before deadline. You were mostly doing ISOs to figure out where to vote. You helped mislynch MS. And you didn't really think about the game at all?
Since MS's flip.
Please don't insinuate that I didn't put work into this game - I put far more work into the game than anyone else did from when I replaced until nightfall. Your stance on MS-town wasn't particularly powerful and your scumread on sthar was and is the same. Do not try to push this on me. Thanks."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1440, sekai no ki wrote:1. any reason in particular you kept disagreeing with a lot of the ms town case because of the fakeability of his posts and no other reason?
I feel like this is being framed as a bad thing and I don't agree with that - if the reason for townreading someone is shallow, like that was, then they probably shouldn't be garnering townreads in the first place. So, yes.
In post 1440, sekai no ki wrote:also, can you link me to a town game where you've done this before?
Probably? I regularly espouse caution when it comes to townreading competent people for posts that sound good. In particular, this has happened to sthar in the past, for example. It wasn't as explicit as this game, but it's there. I'll have a look.
In post 1440, sekai no ki wrote:2. what do you make of sthar's reaction to ms's claim?
Correct. Bulletproof is a common scum claim. Sthar was right that MS was lying about it, he just wasn't right on why."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1451, sekai no ki wrote:In post 1450, T S O wrote:Your stance on MS-town wasn't particularly powerful and your scumread on sthar was and is the same. Do not try to push this on me. Thanks.
HAHA
i think tso actually is just scum
This game is probably hurtling towards a confrontation between us because I think you're scum and I can't see myself changing that view and you apparently think the same. I won't be pressing you until I'm sure of a lot of other things, but you can push ahead and make the case for me being scum if you want."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Can you answer what I said, though? Because I think it's the most relevant post I've made today."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Something that you seem to be pushing here is that MS's claim should have made people back off. If I was there I would have pulled the fucking throttle because Bulletproof is a classic safe scumclaim. Pushing "he flipped town" isn't actually germane to reactions at that time."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1453, sekai no ki wrote:In post 1450, T S O wrote:In post 1446, sekai no ki wrote:In post 1445, T S O wrote:I know. I haven't really thought about this game at all.
You replaced in just before deadline. You were mostly doing ISOs to figure out where to vote. You helped mislynch MS. And you didn't really think about the game at all?
Since MS's flip.
Please don't insinuate that I didn't put work into this game - I put far more work into the game than anyone else did from when I replaced until nightfall. Your stance on MS-town wasn't particularly powerful and your scumread on sthar was and is the same. Do not try to push this on me. Thanks.
That's not what I'm insinuating. I described the ways you DID put effort into the game. If you're town, you can give yourself some slack for having to vote when not fully up to speed. Why would you be demotivated with 2 calendar days to get caught up?
I appreciate this and all, but I would have voted the same way regardless. I'm demotivated because a lot of my beliefs about this game rested on ms being scum and it means I have to put even more work into this fucking game when I already did that."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I can understand why you would think that, while also knowing it's not true.
Like I said, I'm not laying down a vote until I have my work done in this game, partially as a courtesy to you if you're town."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Can you explain why you're townreading Firebringer? I find that extremely hard to face into as an ISO."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Wingback - what's your read on sthar?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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My own interactions with the PV slot are minimal to non-existent, which needs to change. I was vaguely tempted to sheep some of ETL's reads a while back, but given that they're not looking very accurate that's not really an option any more."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Though apart from MS, everyone seemed to be set solidly on PV-town, so there's presumably a good reason for that."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1425, sthar8 wrote:In post 1403, Metal Sonic wrote:Sthar is scum. Naked votes are scum
This makes me feel much better about sonic scum. This is not now, nor has it ever been, true.
BP is a common scumclaim.
In post 1426, Metal Sonic wrote:Cop is a common town claim.
I did not read this as MS referencing a previous claim. I read this as some sort of pithy comeback to sthar's #1425. I feel kinda stupid."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1472, Polar Vortex wrote:
TSO, sorry for not interacting. I'll be extremly busy the next week.
Don't be - it's as much my fault as yours. What are your timezones?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis