Micro 503- CD9* Day 4

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/confirm

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When do votes start actually counting

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I'll never understand what constitutes as policy lynchable on this site

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Make me

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VOTE: bulb

I really don't like post 20

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DGB and I worked out a new version of scumputer. It's quite experimental.

Optimal play for town is to scumhunt as normal and hope that their cop don't randomly claim page 1.

It's okay I'll counter claim on page three so the real cop gets tired of this bullshit and actually claims

That should put an end to this nonsense

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[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p7085603]post 44[/url], BlueBloodedToffee"]Flubber, what did you dislike about post 20?[/quote]
It looks like he's new to being scum and doesn't know how to distance from someone

The first thing I thought of when I read it was my first scum game (chosen)

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not fixing that

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oh look its page 3

VOTE: espeonage

cc

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VOTE: bulb

I think the optimal play here would to have been two or 3 cc's by now but that's probably not happening

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also aren't you voting me for something you admitted to being non-alignment indicative?

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FG so you seem to have believed the cop claim but are now proposing a no lynch for extra investigations?

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VOTE: yuriko
More pressure pls.

This isn't how pressure works.

Also if you do flip scum I think you've cleared yuriko

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Also if you do flip scum I think you've cleared yuriko

How does that work?

Bulb looked like scum not knowing how to sell a counterwagon

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VOTE: bulb

I really don't like post 20

I took a look at 20. Can't see what you mean.

That's it?

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Can you explain your reads or something

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Also if you do flip scum I think you've cleared yuriko

How does that work?

Bulb looked like scum not knowing how to sell a counterwagon

So bulb is scum for not properly selling a counter wagon?
Sorry didn't realize that we are going with the "guilty until proven innocent" approach.

Youre calling him scum from the basis he is already scum...

Vacuous truth is a thing

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Okay so then if my hypothesis is false we drop the conclusion

Accusing me of knowing someone's alignment 100% is bullshit and you know it

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People who haven't given their thoughts on the no lynch plan should give them.

My biggest reservation is having stronger player's picked off

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Bulb/grey scumteam

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Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice

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I don't see your scumread on me si

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Then lynch bulba

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Oh?

It's because you're vote parking on Bulba and I don't understand your reason for doing so.

His straw grasps don't come off as genuine

He's also selective with his inquisitions

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*grumbles about quote walls*

I need to get to a computer eventually

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Bulb/grey scumteam

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Way to go gray let's quote posts with no context or mention of the surrounding discussion

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UNVOTE:

Okay I went to provide the wallpost on bulba and noticed the majority of it was still in rvs. I understand the town case on him after re-reading his ISO, especially points brought up by FakeGod and Espe like in post 267

VOTE: grayfox

The majority of his case on me comes from a misrep I've explained as such that was ignored. And he needs to come out of the woodwork.


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I should be able to try to re-sort this now that I'm at a computer. Here comes the reads list:

Bulb: Town. Explained.
GreyFoxx: Scum. Explained.

Yuriko: Null/Scum. I see the same frustration in Yuriko that people seem to be seeing in Bulb. But at the same time, there's posts like 238. Why would someone not be satisfied with someone's answers but be too lost in the game to follow up with that? And there's the no lynch vote. I want to scum read it but instead of asking "why was no lynch optimal over a different vote?" FakeGod immediately accused Yuriko of hiding behind his no lynch proposal.

This is partially my fault for being tunnely and half-attentive to the game, but I think the town should have initially been less aggressive with this slot and tried more to put it into a "foot in mouth" situation. If Yuriko is scum this shouldn't be difficult to do.

FakeGod: Town. The only thing that pings scum is his posting at yuriko I already mentioned, but I can see that coming from town. Actually, 230 just shows he approached the situation differently than I would have.

Espeonage: Town. There's not a lot of substance in his posting up till around post 100ish. 106 I disagree with, but I can see as town thinking Yuriko tried to modify with the intent of misrep.

Xayzeck: Null. Originally agreed with him on his bubla vote, but I'm not sure why it was worth pulling Runner from L-1 if he posts later he still doesn't like the Runner slot. Other than that, nothing screams town or scum here.

Runner: Null. He brings up a good point that FakeGod proposed a no lynch, which I really can't imagine a scumputer effectively handling. I am indecisive as to whether or not his lack of activity comes from scum or just how he was lashed out at.

BBT: Null/Scum. BBT has recently had a very opaque and inorganic/mechanical playstyle. Unfortunately, that kind of meta is easy to play to as scum. His accusations that FakeGod isn't scumhunting are bad.

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Show me where I'm doing it to begin with

I had originally thought Bulb was more aggressively questioning rvs votes than anything else but that really wasn't the case. He was just hanging onto rvs longer than optimal

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Okay so then if my hypothesis is false we drop the conclusion

Accusing me of knowing someone's alignment 100% is bullshit and you know it

This is my explanation as to why your initial case on me is wrong and it was ignored

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Show me where I'm doing it to begin with

I had originally thought Bulb was more aggressively questioning rvs votes than anything else but that really wasn't the case. He was just hanging onto rvs longer than optimal

What changed your mind, besides him voting you?

You should actually read that post you were able to go into the future and read

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UNVOTE:

Why

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I would be so happy if Yuri and Flub cross voted and people started expressing if they are happy to compromise.

I am currently against lynching anyone other than yuri, but I think thatthis could be a good situation for pressure.

I do not believe he scumread me so this is not gonna happen

And I never really get either wagons (honest and flubber)

So you think I'm town?

If you see a wagon growing on town why would you not say anything about it?

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People called you scum for your reads. You change them for no apparent reason (other than bulb voting you).

You really think bulb of all players scares me or something

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I will repeat myself wrt to Bulba.

My tunnel on him was bad. I reread his iso and saw what fakegod and esp were seeing. So i sheeped the read. I then made sure I could put my reads on all the players in the game into words to prevent me from pushing another gut read without realizing it

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What more do you want

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Prodge

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Esp's tunnel bothers me

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What more do you want

I want elaboratin, not very surfacey reads

Ohhh so you want quote walls

Hahaha no

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I have no idea what to make of bulb's waffling

I think I get what esp is doing

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Esp's tunnel bothers me

Reason being?

The tunnel was blatantly stalling progression of the game

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I would

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I mean, just because you seem convinced that Yuri is scum that doesn't mean that's what she'll flip.

I would happily stake many things on yuri being scum rn.

Also look at how willing you are to think I think fakegod is town. I don't have a fakegod read, because it is just asking for trouble to try and read someone off purposeful non involvement. I can probably fabricate reads for you if you want me to lie to so much. Would you like me to make you a reads list and put in what I want you to think I am reading everyone as. Because I can probably do that. But what I'm trying to tell you is that my reads on other people at this point aren't worth sharing because I'm not going to settle for a lynch on anyone else. I would actually rather scum has no idea what my reads are outside what I have to give to be a part of the game, considering the context.

So tl;dr. Would you like me to lie to you, or would you rather lynch yuri? Those are your choices.

Are you saying fg is being purposely non-involved?

I have no idea how you see that

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non-involved is maybe inaccurate, he wants to be left for a while for data gathering purposes and I am willing to wait until such a time that it will actually be fruitful to engage with him properly.

None of that data gathering directly involves him.

He can gather it while playing the game. Hell he could run his tests from the dead thread if he needs no involvement

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Yeah, I don't see why that makes her scum. Like, help me out here.

She cuts your post down to the part that she wants to respond to. I do that all the time...

I explain it in my post. Because the rest of my post has contextual information that is then omitted.

Also in that vain I'm not fond of cases that rely on one slip up that scum would make

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We might be able to auto-win if we hold claims till tomorrow?

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We also don't know if cop was role blocked

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*shrug*

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I have to give him a chance to re-evaluate considering my play yesterday

We'll take it from there

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THE SKY IS MOTHERFUCKING PURPLE BITCH

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This whole roleblocker thing makes 467 look like a town slip

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I don't understand why you're concerned with gray hammering minus a claim when yriko was a vt anyway

That comes off as a boilerplate comment very likely to come from scum

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Willing to vote/hammer/lynch whatever esp but not just yet

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I don't understand why you're concerned with gray hammering minus a claim when yriko was a vt anyway

That comes off as a boilerplate comment very likely to come from scum

We didn't know she was a VT at the time. When someone accused you of knowing someone's alignment a priori yesterday you rightly said it was 100% bullshit. How was I, or anyone, supposed to know she was a VT before the flip? Has there never been a town PR who's acted scummy before?

What does boilerplate mean?

I don't think you scumslipped insider knowledge of alignment

But if we gave yuriko a chance to claim and she claimed vt, she would have been lynched just the same. So wishing they had claimed first is wasted energy, and I can't see a town motivation for expressing that wish in thread

"Boilerplate" was poor word choice. I wanted to use the word "filler" but with a stronger connotation that the intent of the statement was to try and look town (as opposed to actually being town)

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That sounds more like ego than scum

I don't see this fg wagon at all

Waiting for next vc to vote esp

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That sounds more like ego than scum

I don't see this fg wagon at all

VOTE: esp l-1

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@bbt I don't like his tunnel yesterday and I just see it as a plan to get to 5p lylo

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No cc here

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Prodge

Okay with this runner wagon I think

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No cc from me either.

Was going to post about some stuff but I'm guessing whatever FG has to say will be more important (it better be cuz you'll be RB'd for the rest of the game).

Whatever fg says may be important but how does that make what you have to say meaningless or something?

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No cc from me either.

Was going to post about some stuff but I'm guessing whatever FG has to say will be more important (it better be cuz you'll be RB'd for the rest of the game).

If FG had a guilty on Xay I'm pretty sure he'd put him as top scum on his list, no?

Bet $5: Espeonage

I wondered if BBT might be scum who set up a lynch on Esp from D1 since he thought Yuriko was gonna get hammered and knew she'd flip town. But the unvote of Esp this phase gave me pause, should've been a simple lynch for him to push, hell I was getting to the point of hammering him too.

Actually looking at this why would fg have unvoted esp if he had a guilty

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I want to say that that is scummy over bad play but have no means of backing that statement up

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I still think bbt is town

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Your vote on Flubber didn't last long...did it have anything behind it or was it for show?

Also wondering this

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Flubber, can you join Runner wagon?

Now I can

VOTE: runner

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L-1 for all the ikas out there

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Prodge

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Do I actually have to make a case about my scum read for my scum read

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I understand why discussing scum reads with your scum reads is bad but they gotta be discussed with town reads

Maybe I just forgot it was discussed

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It's somewhere in between the lines of your posting but it's not a puzzle I consider worth solving

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So who's digging through crumbs

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Should be explicitly noted that it is mylo today. Thinking doc should claim regardless, maybe, open to criticism on that.

If we mislynch an unclaimed doc may be able to make a save.

I have 0 confidence in this game so I think that last ditch effort is a requirement

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VOTE: no lynch

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Bulb and runner are the only players I see actually making a kill in that scenario

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@mod are mafia kills compulsive?

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Claiming doctor

Saved fg n1
Esp n2
Nobody n3

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BBT gets one post then I'm putting a vote out

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Claiming doctor

Saved fg n1
Esp n2
Nobody n3

Why didn't you doc anyone n3?

The same reason we no lynched??

Uhh didn't you agree that the stronger players in this game wouldn't have nk'd? I believe that less if you had to ask this....

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Nl on Mylo only helps town if there is a nk

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I agree with Flubber because I don't think him or BBT would have gone for the kill in that scenario.

Why don't you think we would have nk'd?

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But you still think doc should have saved if the lack of a kill is pro scum....

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Yes, Flubber, because town needs a death, but it doesn't need people like Espeonage, who was playing the game and invested in it, dying. Not all deaths are equal. It needs people like me dying. So you protect people like Esp/BBT to specifically goad scum into shooting elsewhere, if they attempt to make the kill.

I can't believe I'm trying to debate basic optimisation with you, you're on the site way too fucking long.

Did you actually see Espeonage's play this game because I don't think you did

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Then watch how you talk shit sweetheart

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VOTE: runner