Micro 514: Dealing With Dragons Mafia (Game Over)

[Elbirn]

Hi Fire!

VOTE: Axxle
Cause back in my RP days on howrse.com my friend used Axle as his character's name quite often...

*eye twitch*

VOTE: kyndy

More votes on kyndy please

[Elbirn]

I need sheep on me.

I declare myself town leader and demand my town to follow!!

But I'm the only one who has their vote on scum, I should be town leader and you should be sheeping me.

I'm going to bed but when I wake up I expect your vote to be on kyndy, along with a brief paragraph on all the reasons why kyndy is scum.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Elbirn

Need to get that twitch looked at buddy!

Uncomfortable with me voting your scum buddy huh? Don't worry, we'll get you next.

[Elbirn]

Yeah kyndy is definitely scum, does no one else see what I see?

[Elbirn]

See my issue wasn't even it being l-1, which I didn't notice honestly. My issue is the vote was shitty. The whole post was really.

[Elbirn]

Hi Fire!

VOTE: Axxle
Cause back in my RP days on howrse.com my friend used Axle as his character's name quite often...

Okay, so here kyndy puts the second vote on axxle. She doesn't appear to acknowledge beginning a wagon, and rambles on with a needless explanation for her vote that...doesn't make sense. You have a friend that uses that name? Okay..?

Hi Fire!

VOTE: Axxle
Cause back in my RP days on howrse.com my friend used Axle as his character's name quite often...

I've been using an axxle variant since 1999, I should sue your friend.

VOTE: firebringer

I only let a few people lead me, and you're not one of them.

Hmmmmm alright then
UNVOTE: Axxle

I need sheep on me.

I declare myself town leader and demand my town to follow!!

Ok.

VOTE: the B.P

*shrug* alright

VOTE: BP

Crappy vote. The "why not" reasoning, putting someone at l-1 on a whim. Bleh

that was an unannounced L-1.

VOTE: kyndy

I thought it was 6 to lynch?
Guess I'm wrong.
Besides don't you need to announce if you're going to hammer?

Feigning innocence and an "I did no wrong" attitude. Nah.

[Elbirn]

Sure, so why do you ramble on with an excuse for it?

[Elbirn]

Why

[Elbirn]

You're at l-2. No one's gonna hammer you without announcing intent to hammer and letting you speak, and if they didn't they'd be the next days lynch.

But I think that's a fake claim anyway soo

[Elbirn]

it isnt, she's town

Based on what?

(BTW hai wisdom)

[Elbirn]

Idk. She's been on the site for well over a year and has played more games than I have. I don't think she qualifies as newb.

I see panicky pressured scum.

[Elbirn]

Point taken.

Crap.

Someday I'll be good at this.
UNVOTE:

[Elbirn]

No actually wait

If she's newb, then what's the difference between newb town and newb scum?

[Elbirn]

Hi Fire!

So what's your relationship with firebringer?

[Elbirn]

So do you think she's scum?

[Elbirn]

Yo yo y fellas.

I like how my wagon is doing, who is the leader now elbirn?!?!?

Anyways L-2 is fine for now.

I don't think kyndy over reacted to votes on her btw.

So u don't agree with this newb scum or newb town w/e discussion going on.

Still me, since your wagon isn't on scum

You talk a lot but you're not saying anything. Take a stance on kyndy right now, town or scum?

[Elbirn]

Nah I wanna sheep wisdom

VOTE: Vedith

[Elbirn]

Yeah but that's why I left it. A good leader admits when he makes a mistake :^)

I've only played with firebringer once before, but I'm gonna go with yes.

[Elbirn]

That hurts man.

I don't troll all the time, but when I do I drink dos seces.

Sorry mane. I'll say this though, your confidence strikes me as townie? I don't recall you acting like this in our last game

(Context, in our last game fire was scum)

[Elbirn]

That hurts man.

I don't troll all the time, but when I do I drink dos seces.

Sorry mane. I'll say this though, your confidence strikes me as townie? I don't recall you acting like this in our last game

(Context, in our last game fire was scum)

That was a fun game.

You are acting differently to day one you in that game too ...

Bad different or good different?

[Elbirn]

@post 75:

I guess I didn't really elaborate on my interpretation of that vote. Yeah, GrayFoxxxx plops down a 2nd vote before her, but he does so casually.

When kyndy does it she blabs and makes excuses, like nervous scum looking for a justification to start a wagon

But none of that matters because kyndy is town apparently

Also tell me why confidence is scummy plz

[Elbirn]

So confidence is a null tell, but the way it is shown can be scummy? I.e. it's my actions? If yes, what have I done and why is it scummy?

[Elbirn]

It can easily be town, I think scum don't favor playing as though they are confident it attracts unwanted attention

Ohai fire. Thanks, but I want to hear what shadows thoughts are. For science.

Since you're here, what's the dealio with the betting pool wagon? Is it just because it's a hydra?

How do you feel about helping me push this Vedith wagon instead, it's pretty great, I put new shiny chrome wheels on it and a fresh coat of red paint!

[Elbirn]

Hm, in 59 you said kyndy town. What made you change your mind?

[Elbirn]

So confidence is a null tell, but the way it is shown can be scummy? I.e. it's my actions? If yes, what have I done and why is it scummy?

Yeah, that's probably a good way to put it.

In posts 11 and 20 you're pushing for people to sheep you, out of just an RVS vote. There's one posts worth of information to go on, which is barely enough to even make a viable argument out of, let alone enough to convince other people to vote on without some heavy influencing. The attitude that comes across in 27 is similar, though not quite as pushy. It seems like an attempt to establish an air of leadership and have people follow you without needing proof. Additionally, since it was right out of RVS, if kyndy does get lynched and flip town you have the fallback of "I didn't have a strong argument, you all decided to follow me blindly".

Elbirn you look different than last game. You had reasonable reads there, and you sticked to them despite what others said (for example you insisted I am town). I like neither your shallow tunnel on kyndy nor the way you stopped pushing her just because I didn't agree with you.

I'm just gonna respond to you both at once. Here's what happened, I saw something I believed to be scummy and I decided to go for that persons throat. Because I don't like rvs and want to be out of it as soon as possible. I'd say I accomplished that.

My argument was weak? No shit, it's page 3. She was still the scummiest person as of that point and I told you all why I thought that. If her lynch went through, I'd have stood by it.

What I don't get is how I can be criticized for being "confident" and apparently having a Crappy read, AND for being reasonable enough to change that read. If my read is bad and my confidence is misplaced then clearly I should rethink it, but what I'm getting here is that either way I'm fucked.

What really grinds my gears is that you, wisdom, were on the kyndy wagon with me. If you thought my push was such crap then why did you vote her with me and say nothing of my push at the time? Then *you* explain to me why she's town, and when I listen to you I'm told that I'm wrong to? Lolwut? Also that criticism for my reads strength based on our other game is all kinds of bad. Of course my reads after 100+ pages of a large game were stronger than my reads in 3-4 pages of a micro. And again, I'm criticized by you for having a strong read and not a strong read at the same time and that's nonsense

But none of that matters because kyndy is town apparently

I don't understand this comment. Is this town apparently from your opinion? I've never been the fan of early suggestions of people being 'town'. I know that's how most people are on here, I just think it's an excuse for someone to work from that if they are scum.

This means that yes, I think kyndy is town now. I do not understand what/how you're suggesting that giving out townreads is scummy, elaborate plez

[Elbirn]

ok so grey is obvscum

im done here

VOTE: the betting pool

I don't get how your back and forth with gray concludes with you switching your vote off of him, particularly considering post 151.

[Elbirn]

If you thought my push was such crap then why did you vote her with me and say nothing of my push at the time?

I voted her for a single thing she did that I didn't like. You pushed her for things that weren't scummy and kept tunneling even after she claimed.

Of course my reads after 100+ pages of a large game were stronger than my reads in 3-4 pages of a micro.

That's irrelevant. The point is that other people didn't affect your reads there. While here, I say she is town, you immediately accept it and unvote.

So did I I keep tunneling her, or did I stop? It can't be both.

Here's what happened, she claimed, I said "I don't know", you and I talked a bit about it and then I agreed with you and moved on. Any mention of her after that point was me getting people to talk and take stances, or explaining my own point of view.

My reads weren't effected by others as much in our other game *because* my reads were stronger and more concrete, which was a result of having more to work with and mostly having made my mind up. I actually quite value others input, I like working with people, and am prone to sheep people that seem town to me.

UNVOTE:

[Elbirn]

You continued, then stopped after I insisted she's town

Yeah, this was all on page 2, I just reread. I made a total of 5 posts after her claim before agreeing with you . You call that tunneling?

I think your reasons for scumreading me are superficial.

VOTE: Wisdom

[Elbirn]

Lol

[Elbirn]

Firebringer vote wisdom he's scum

[Elbirn]

@Wisdom: Tell me more about axxle.

[Elbirn]

Is firebringer always this trolly?

Do you mean this? Cuz this is quite the idle question and I see nothing alignment indicative here.

[Elbirn]

dunno it looked like he didnt just vote people, he wanted to make sure the behavior that feels off isn't normal for them

That no pedit.

Meh alright

[Elbirn]

@wisdom:

What I think doesn't matter because of something I said once that you disagree with

I really hope in our next game you roll town wisdom, you're much more enjoyable when we're on the same team

[Elbirn]

So gray is reading null.
Unsure how to place kyndy
Verdith seems townish
Elbirn leaning town.
Everyone else ehh

How come gray is singled out as null, and everyone else that youre not sure of is "ehh"

Are "null" and "ehh" not the same thing, or..?

[Elbirn]

It's not pressure if you say it's pressure. You also can't pressure someone who isn't here

[Elbirn]

The betting wagon won't work because no one's questioning him or getting him to engage with the game. You just throw a vote down and expect him to do something.

I'm not trying to be a negative shit or anything and I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk today, am stressed at work. But yeah. Question him, see what happens.

[Elbirn]

I was making a jab at how you're trying to understand why I'm reading people when you yourself scumread people off null things, but okay

You're right we're most likely not in the same team however

To respond to this, the way I interpreted what you said was, well, that it was you insulting me and just waving me off. Which kinda ticked me off.

Honestly wis I like you, and I don't want to get pissy at you, I don't wanna be like that towards anyone. So I'll try to approach this more level headed tomorrow.

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On a related note, your last part there that were probably not on the same team. My elbirn moon logic says that scum-wisdom doesn't say something like that. It'd be....too honest, too cheeky for scum to say something like that. It sounds like pissed off town telling me I'm scum.

Does anyone else think anything of it or is it just one of those things that only I get?

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

So wisdom, firebringer, kyndy are town. Minor town vibes from vedith?

The betting pool
GrayFoxxxx
Shadows
Axxle

Scum is in these 4.

[Elbirn]

According to rules prods can be requested after 48 hours. He posted yesterday.

I do agree that he needs to be here, just saying.

[Elbirn]

So I'm here

I've had a couple drinks

And j think drunk mafia is the best please talk to me

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

So wisdom, firebringer, kyndy are town. Minor town vibes from vedith?

The betting pool
GrayFoxxxx
Shadows
Axxle

Scum is in these 4.

gray is town, we are town, and wisdom is scum. the others on your reads list I am still deciding on. we should talk and figure out why we disagree on atleast three reads.

Agreed.

So you're a point of contention for me I guess. We can't talk about you obviously but through talking we can figure you out

Let's put shadows and axxle to the side for the time being

I want to hear about gray Foxx and wisdom since we have then opposite. Gray is pretty....eh. wisdom idk but I want to believe. I think he's good and he's active and if he's town he'd be a great asset. So maybe j want him to be town and am biased towards him as such?

Tldr talk to me about your reads on them please

[Elbirn]

So I'm here

I've had a couple drinks

And j think drunk mafia is the best please talk to me

Nice I think we should toast to you voting wisdom.

But I undid that

I truthfully want my vote on betting at this point but I don't wanna l-1 him when we're really waiting on him to talk

He's here now so he'll talk and I'll see how I feel as a result

[Elbirn]

So I'm here

I've had a couple drinks

And j think drunk mafia is the best please talk to me

What do you think of betting right now, I think defense is weak but also pretty much felt as though they felt safe from lynch .

Uhm lemme read him again I felt some townie vibes honestly

[Elbirn]

sorry guys, I had schedule difficulties, so this head is just now entering the game. I've caught up reading and I would be happy with a wisdom vote as well. as to the following question...

Betting got any reads?

How you feel about your wagon? Town aligned? Scum aligned?

we really don't have a wagon on us. we had a random rvs wagon and now some flailing for being inactive. as was said earlier, it's not pressure just because you call it pressure.

VOTE: wisdom

because scum.

-bunny

Nvm the first time j read this I thought "cocky town" now I don't know

Also sorry I've mistyped j instead of I so many times my phone autocorrect I to j.

[Elbirn]

^ did he tho? What other options for easy wagons did he have?

You think scum would not back off of a weak wagon quickly? Cuz that sounds like scum to me

[Elbirn]

Really I'm looking for betting pools opinions. I don't have much of a judgement on you gray and idk I'm not sober and don't feel like on depth thinking about you right now

But if o can provoke discussion, particularly with betting, then awesome

[Elbirn]

Yeah no h8

I get how part of that sounds like me accusing you bit really it's me saying that betting thought process should result in thinking you're scum bit it doesnt?

If that makes sense?

It's not the same, it's saying that his thought process is odd

Yeah idk

[Elbirn]

That confused me to death

How are you gray?

[Elbirn]

I highly doubt you are going to catch wisdom for being forced or over the top.

-bunny

What do you think of Gray and wisdom's exchange?

gray comes off as town to me for several reasons. scum gray would be foolish to attack town wisdom this early with a weak argument, or at the very least backed off quickly and not engage as he did. what's the scum motivation for going after the hardest mislynch on the field? he had his choice of easier wagons.

wisdom comes off as scum for trying to write gray off as obvscum or a VI, giving him a "last chance" to back off, and being dismissive (this last bit may be alignment neutral for wisdom).

^ did he tho? What other options for easy wagons did he have?

You think scum would not back off of a weak wagon quickly? Cuz that sounds like scum to me

Alright I'm here and sober let's do this

So, betting. I would say that I would expect scum to be more likely to quickly back off of a wagon when they see that there isn't support for it. Your conclusion seems to be the opposite. Why do you feel this makes gray town?

[Elbirn]

Liking Elbirn now

What changed?

[Elbirn]

ill try for one last time even though I know it's for naught

235 - Elbirn asks Betting for his reads on me and you.
239 - Betting gives the reads, including townreading you for X,Y,Z reasons.
240 - Elbirn argues that X,Y,Z reasons should normally lead Betting to believe you are scum, not town.
242/244 - You misunderstand that as Elbirn arguing/implying you are scum.
246/248 - Elbirn tries to clear up the misunderstanding, explaining that he was questioning Betting about the read on you and the oddities around it, not giving his own read on you. He asks if that makes sense, namely if you now understand, if the misunderstanding was cleared
249 up to now - You misunderstand that as Elbirn asking you if you believe Betting should scumread you.

This is correct, and I apologize for any misunderstanding gray. My questions were directed to betting, and then I tried to clear it up with you.

[Elbirn]

Liking Elbirn now

What changed?

I liked your posts to betting

What do you think about axxle? Right now poe gives me betting and axxle but axxle's vote is complicating that

Axxles a good lynch. Reading his iso he hasn't done really anything. I know you gave him some townie points for reading into kyndys games, but the way I read it, he doesn't end up making a solid stance either way? He's like "we'll she could be newb scum, she doesn't have scum experience" (implying that she could have felt pressure and I was right) and "but the one time she was scum she did claim pr" (distancing himself from his previous statement by sowing doubt)

It reads like he's testing the waters for a lynch but he's afraid to jump in

[Elbirn]

I did, she has played some scum games.

She has also got lynched a few times as town, which would explain the preemptive claim somewhat

Two greater idea type mafias, and one we need a fifth, I'm not entirely sure that counts as experience. The one time she felt the need to fakeclaim though, she did claim a power role.

Yo yo y fellas.

I like how my wagon is doing, who is the leader now elbirn?!?!?

Anyways L-2 is fine for now.

I don't think kyndy over reacted to votes on her btw.

So u don't agree with this newb scum or newb town w/e discussion going on.

Still me, since your wagon isn't on scum

I mean, your wagon isn't on scum right now either.

Is firebringer always this trolly?

....unless that last part is him saying kyndy town, even tho I switched over to voting vedith at this time

Idk fuck it he's still scum

VOTE: Axxle

[Elbirn]

I wish you guys talked more ;_;

and isn't interacting with anybody else or trying to progress the game in any meaningful manner.

Incorrect.

Actually yes, it's true.

I disagree.

Gray
Talk to me about your reads
What do you think
What do you ~feel~

[Elbirn]

Yeah bp is town

Come along, we've got 4 days to move that wagon where it belongs: axxle or gray

[Elbirn]

Yeah bp is town

Come along, we've got 4 days to move that wagon where it belongs: axxle or gray

I think Gray is town because what scum would draw attention to himself like that otherwise?


So since its between these two I think Axxle is scum.

What's Axxle at now?

Axxles is at l-2 right now

[Elbirn]

Axle wagon has scum on it.

Vedith, me, wisdom, kyndy

Sure looks town to me

[Elbirn]

I'm the frog, a town encryptor. As long as I'm alive, scum have daytalk. So I guess I'm not the worst lynch..

Someone hammer this please

[Elbirn]

Rip me then.

Well, spill the beans. You scum?

[Elbirn]

You're telling me there's day talk in a micro, with a townie as their encryptor? I mean I don't know much but neither of those things make sense.

And even if that could happen, think about it. You're town, and you roll "town encryptor". After scratching your head and going "what the fuck is this shit", what do you do?

Cuz me? I claim it. I claim it, letting town know that scum has day chat, and giving them the option of killing me to disadvantage scum.

That or I do my damndest to draw a nk, and lurking the day away and doing jack doesn't really do that.

[Elbirn]

kyndy101

,

Alianora, Vanilla Town

, was killed Night 1!

Spoiler: Role PM

You are

the Princess Alianora of the Duchy of Toure-on-Marsh,

Vanilla Town

.

"The one in the pearl circlet stared in unabashed amazement. 'My goodness,' she said, 'you certainly do have a lot of space.'"

Empty-Headed:

You have no Night Action.

Book Character:

During the Day you may vote towards a lynch.

You win when there are no threats to the Town, or nothing can prevent the same.

YOU KILLED TED YOU MEDIEVAL DICK WEED!

[Elbirn]

So what are the odds of there being 2 scum left? 3 out of 9 seems a bit much. We'd be on Mylo today if we hadn't gotten scum yesterday.

I'm gonna read axxle over and see if there's any partner tells

[Elbirn]

Bleh this games too low content, and I'm bad at analyzing what there is.

He RVS'd firebringer, and later on he puts him as scum and serious votes him. I want to say that him seriously pushing fire should make him more likely town?

Flippant votes betting pool at one point, like nbd just gonna vote betting cuz I was told to. idk if he'd do that to a buddy.

And then we get this

It feels like firebringers reads change with who the biggest wagons happen to be. Scum.

Betting pool bothered me a bit earlier, but seems like the heads are playing seperately enough that the reads don't feel faked. Town.

Wisdom seems to be advancing the game the most out of everyone. Town

Elbirn: not going to reread him right now, but got generally a towny vibe.

Vedith: has a very natural progression of reads, town

Kyndy: goddamn that misremembering the lynch count was bad. I haven't seen anything really town after that claim. Scum

Foxx: ditto wisdoms opinion . Town

Shadow: my first real null read. Leaning town since there isn't really anything to indicate scum on a skim.

Axxle: town by mod confirmation.

I come out of this reads list thinking wisdom, foxx, and shadow look the worst.

Wisdom progressing the game the most.....sounds awkward. Putting a scum buddy on a pedestal maybe?

Foxx....Axxle didn't interact with foxx once, doesn't even mention him. And here he says nothing, just dittos wisdom.

Shadow is the only null read? Uh huh.

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So tldr, my townreads on fire and betting pool are stronger, as are my scumreads on shaddowez and foxx, and wisdoms moved down the list a bit

[Elbirn]

Ok looks like I was wrong about axxle. Guess that clears wisdom to an extent

How so?

[Elbirn]

Ok looks like I was wrong about axxle. Guess that clears wisdom to an extent

How so?

I'm betting he didn't bus.

Ok looks like I was wrong about axxle. Guess that clears wisdom to an extent

Sooo....please tell me where you gave us your reads on Axxle? As a matter of fact, the only time Axxle shows up in your ISO outside of the quote of somebody else you're responding to is to say that his wagon has scum on it, which doesn't actually say you think Axxle was town.

I'm sticking with my latest read.

VOTE: Gray

Guys
Guys

Axxle was a mafia traitor. Scum would have zero knowledge that he was also scum. We can't look at axxle interactions from other people's perspectives.

[Elbirn]

Wait

Did you guys just town slip

Oh fuckitall

[Elbirn]

I don't think I believe you.

Why do you scumread firebringer?

[Elbirn]

*rubs temples*

Preflip Associations are worthless
There's no evidence of scum having day chat
Traitors know the scum team, the rest of the scum team doesn't know the traitor.

That wall of text was just loads of conjecture on things that aren't true.

[Elbirn]

I think betting is just really, really misguided town. All of his premises are based on things that aren't true or are not verifiable and I just don't like it. He's still not scum, he's just not right. :/

I'm not voting firebringer, he's not scum.

Last scum is either shaddowez or gray.

[Elbirn]

I think I already went over why he's not town, also did you not say earlier that 3 scum would be overkill? Shortly before you went off looking for two scum of course.

But yeah

[Elbirn]

I am here and drinking, let's do this

[Elbirn]

What does PA stand for

Have a drink, it's the best way to play

I'm gonna iso fire cuz you asked me

Anything else I should do?

[Elbirn]

>2015
>no replies

Ugggggh talk to me

[Elbirn]

Uhh mutual affirmation society

Sorry I got too much drink and friends and not enough mafia gimme time homie

[Elbirn]

K so that was supposed to be a question, what is mutual affirmation society

[Elbirn]

Okay so I've read firebringer iso, and read over betting pools arguments for fire-scum.

Now that I'm sober, you seem kinda frustrated with me bp? And I apologize if I seemed un-cooperative or if I disregarded your thoughts. I think yesterday I was too hung up on the parts of what you were saying that relied on assumptions, which, well, hardly invalidates the rest of what you said, which was p solid.

Now then.

In a vacuum, firebringer is incredibly scummy upon review.

And after review, you are right that traitors are really set up dependent. And frankly I don't know why I was so obstinate about that, my first game with a traitor the traitor knew the whole scum team but scum team didn't know them, but in my second game with traitor there's was zero knowledge on either side. Soo... yeah. It's an unknown

(To be continued need to pull up a quote and I'm on phone..)

[Elbirn]

Still more flavour.

Votecount 1.FINAL

Axxle [LYNCH] - Vedith, Elbirn, Wisdom, kyndy101, The Betting Pool

The Betting Pool [L-4] - Firebringer
Wisdom [L-4] - GrayFoxxxx
GrayFoxxxx [L-4] - shaddowez
Firebringer [L-4] - Axxle

Not Voting [0] -

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to lynch. The day

will end in (expired on 2015-08-22 22:00:00)

is over.

Axxle

,

Woraug, Mafia Traitor

, was lynched Day 1!

Spoiler: Role PM

You are

Woraug, Dragon,

Mafia Traitor

.

"'Help her?' said the first voice, and Cimorene heard a snort. 'I think we should just eat her and be done with it.'"

Traitor:

You have no Night Actions.

Co-Conspirators:

You are given to know that the Mafia [redacted].

Book Character:

During the Day you may vote towards a lynch.

You win when [redacted], or nothing can prevent the same.

Now then, read Axxles role card. "Co-conspirators" reads exactly like a traitor who knows the scum team. "You are given to know...." sounds like the scum team identities there.

Tell me what you think of this. Axxle knowing his team mates complicates things, and I think he interacted with firebringer in a way that points to him being town, not a partner.

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Oh also, you are 100% right about the book flavor and there being 2 scum left. No I did not know flavor, i looked it up after you mentioned. Dragon traitor with two wizard pair = only thing that makes sense.

Fixed.

For everyone's reference, that's what happens when you break a spoiler tag with a quote tag. In this case it was formerly q, s, q, /q, /q, /s, where the last two needed switching.

[Elbirn]

Ew gross.
Gm if you love me you'll make that post stop being colours

[Elbirn]

Oh wait lol I forgot

VOTE: Firebringer

He's scum for not hammering axxle and believing his bullshit claim. If youre scum and know there's a traitor, that claim from axxle would read like your traitor fakeclaiming

Still though talk to me about Axxles interactions with firebringer, what do you see

[Elbirn]

Wait

No That's bullshit, BP hammered him before he said anything about believing his claim or having a chance to hammer him. Bleh

UNVOTE:

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Firebringer

Shaddowez is scum because he's scum, the end

....no?

Okay well I like what you said on him earlier, I read his iso and got a scummy vibe, he has no content and what he does have is wishy washy and takes no stances and is just bleh

[Elbirn]

Hey wisdom, you said you could conftown yourself today. Is that ability something useful, or should you just hang on to it since today's play is pretty much decided?

[Elbirn]

Firebringer is scum and today's lynch

I mean it's not "decided" but I think it makes a lot of sense. And also I wanna trust bp on this.

[Elbirn]

Alright I'll make you a deal

Give us firebringer today and I promise you shaddowez dies

[Elbirn]

Uhhhhm

[Elbirn]

Elaborate? From my pov he used an unlynchable ability on a townie, when he could have said nothing and saved his partner firebringer

[Elbirn]

Alright, so say he's town. He wants to prove he has an ability. Who does he use it on? From my pov it's either me or you.

Say he's scum. He can't save his partner per what you said. He wants to prove he has an ability. Who does he use it on? Me or you.

Now, if he's scum, why does he mention having an ability at all. The hypothesis is that it would make him look town, but thats hardly convincing and blablabla wifom. It seems to me the better play would be to say nothing.

Who do you think is more likely to have an unlynchable ability, town or scum?

[Elbirn]

@vedith, what's up with post 414? I don't see what you're getting at

[Elbirn]

I don't think any of us are townreading gray, actually. If shaddowez is town I'd say gray is most likely the other scum

[Elbirn]

"Wizard"

That was a scum claim

Gg fire

[Elbirn]

The wizards are the villains of the story, as betting pool explained earlier (one of the heads, PA I think, has read the books), and from what I've looked up that checks out.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Wisdom

Would you die already

[Elbirn]

No, like seriously, what

I'm an even night vig. I shot wisdom because I analyzed everything and he's scum.

I can think of zero justification for him living through last night I really can't

If there's a doctor, they should not have been on wisdom. If wisdoms bulletproof, why is a townie bullet proof and has one shot lynch immunity.

Just

[Elbirn]

"But elbirn, you were townreading him!"

DECOYS LOIS, DECOYS

I live by townbearding scum. I knew I could leave scum wisdom alone, lynch a guilty and then shoot him in the face for the win, and all I had to do was play dumb

But then this happened

[Elbirn]

Quadruple post cuz I'm mad and also bored on my lunch break

It's the day before LyLo. Now is pretty much time for claims. I want a flavor/role claim from wisdom first.

Bp, I hope you've got a result for us

I'm still mad

Ugh

[Elbirn]

If there's no doc claim, Wisdom is ascetic. Calling it.

[Elbirn]

Double-check how ascetic works...

--PA

*reads*

Why the fuck do kills not count for that

Okay, whatever, I was wrong, fuck me, good job doc for fixing my mistake

UNVOTE:

Wisdom town for going nowhere, BP town, me town. Doc claims, scum counteclaims, we lynch one and then the other. Gg.

[Elbirn]

honestly I am not as comfortable with you as town with this entrance you've made today. why do you assume a doc and why are you trying to out that person?

Because I shot a man to death and he didn't die

Because if that person claims, we win the game
Actually, wait, even if they don't we've won

It's either shaddowez or vedith, we can poe the game today

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Shaddowez

[Elbirn]

Because I'm cimorene.

[Elbirn]

I just realized I shouldn't have claimed, because if this goes to 3p LyLo, I survive to that point, and we mislynch, I could have at least tied the game (scum kills me I kill scum every one is dead)

So basically shaddowez better be scum

[Elbirn]

Dear Vedith,

Vote for shaddowez he's scum.

Love, Elbirn

[Elbirn]

Yep, 3 to lynch, me and wisdom are voting him I think?

[Elbirn]

Alright, I reread my role pm. Trying to paraphrase and not just day everything exact because mod kills. My vig ability flavor is named something along the lines of lemon juice and buckets of soapy water. It more specifically states that I can attempt to kill someone

If I had to guess, my vig doesn't work on anyone but wizard characters because it's lemons and soapy water, which melts wizards in the books.

Wisdom didn't die because he's not a wizard.

[Elbirn]

Anyway look I get that I look shady for shitty play and I should have just shot shaddowez last night. Fine. I was rereading some things last night, Wisdom stood out to me as seeming profoundly not like himself in our other game, I saw evidence of him being scum where there wasn't any and I made the wrong shot on the basis that if wisdom is scum, I'm not gojng to be able to drum up the support to lynch him because no one suspects him.

I'm still fucking cimorene, and unless you're telling me scum gets the main character of the book as a fake claim, I'm town.

With wisdom conftown'd, I'd bet money it's shaddowez. Someone plez hammer him.

[Elbirn]

I'm assuming it based on the fact that you're alive and you haven't claimed bp, there's no doctor after mass claim, and my role says that I can *attempt* to kill someone. And buckets of soapy water don't kill anything but wizards according to flavor

[Elbirn]

A vig that is also a cop is really fucking strong tho, and idk why scum have no counters to anything. We've had what, a traitor and a goon? Shaddowez better flip ninja godfather or something

[Elbirn]

True, I guess it could have produced a false innocent as well if I thought about the wizard thing.

Idk.

[Elbirn]

I asked goodmorning for clarification. Says she can't say.

Can we lynch shaddowez now?

[Elbirn]

I'm just going to say "I'm cimorene" until you bugger off.

The game is fucking over. Lynch fucking shaddowez. If he's not scum I will give every town player in this game a hand job, and then you can mislynch me tomorrow for the loss.

[Elbirn]

You know I was gonna make a response to all of this, engaging shaddowez and vedith and bp on their queries

And then I decided idgaf. Lynch me, feel like smacked asses when I flip, and then lynch shaddowez. I don't have the time to argue this and it really doesn't matter because we won, unless you lynch vedith tomorrow which for fucks sake don't do that. But yeah I'm just gonna sit here and pout until game end.

[Elbirn]

I'll say this about the wisdom vig shot

I thought shaddowez was too obvious. And yes, I knew he'd be a prime lynch target today, and thus a possibility I could set aside to eliminate a different suspect.

And I thought that if wisdom was scum, and the only other person expressing doubt was bp who I assumed was going to be the nk...that leaves me with vedith and gray (shaddowez being vigged), trying to convince them that wisdom is scum and I didn't think I'd have the skill or the wherewithal to make that argument. A lot of it was a feeling. I didn't think wisdom was acting the way I'd expect him to, I felt like his stance on firebringer yesterday was bad especially considering that bp was softing a guilty, I didn't like the connections he had with fb and axxle. Sorry I was wrong, but that's where my head was at.

Here's a rhetorical question, if I were scum faking a vig shot, why would I say I shot wisdom? Why not shaddowez, where there would be no eyebrows raised or questions asked considering popular opinion and my stated stance yeaterday?

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Vedith

[Elbirn]

For the record, and I wanna slap gm, but just in case the whole tracker thing wasn't believed for whatever reason. Over night gm changed her mind and told me my vig is flavor specific.

Soo yeah, Wisdom you're conf town and you lived by virtue of not being a wizard.

[Elbirn]

Goodmorning not tracking you to a kill. Which, well, the only way you could be scum at that point would be if you were ascetic or a ninja, but that wouldn't be very likely, and frankly I'd rather bet on you being town. But lo, I got a pm from gm overight that said she'd thought about things, changed her mind, and my vig is indeed a flavor vig.

And, yeah, you didn't hammer the game to end.

[Elbirn]

No it always was. My question to her was if my vig would fail on non wizards. Her response was that she couldn't tell me. During the night phase I received a follow up pm where she said that after consideration, she decided to tell me after all, and I am a flavor vig.

So you lived because you are not a wizard, and only wizards are killed by soapy water and lemons.

[Elbirn]

It's a swingy set up for sure. Consider that scum had 3 scum in a 9 player game. Pr's be damned scum could have won day 2. Town needed a way to counter that.

[Elbirn]

I sure am glad wisdom did the right thing despite my play being abysmal and me clearly deserving to die

Like really day 1 and 2 I felt like I was doing great, then night 2 happened and I got vig syndrome and my iq dropped to nothing for the rest of the game. I'm honestly sorry and I'm glad we pulled through that gaiz.

Vedith you did a great job of being scum, you flew under my radar completely and I just wrote you off as town. And your arguments against me seem sound, if I were wisdom I'd have had a difficult time deciding who to vote.
Firebringer, you too, if not for bp's guilty on you I might have kept townreading you.
Gg to you as well axxle, pushing you was mostly a matter of gut, or maybe dumb luck.

Gg to everyone, hope to see you again ^__^

[Elbirn]

Also Elbirn, I didn't get a chance to say, but I love your Dean avatar. The Iron Giant is my favorite movie!

Yassss dean is my spirit animal

[Elbirn]

Yay!

Out of curiosity what did axxle know of the scum team?

[Elbirn]

I realize I'm a month late on this

But any chance of releasing the scum pt? I'm a fan of releasing pts at game end