Micro 520: Anger Point I AM PISSED

[guille2015]

I'm going to need more on tiershift cause I'm just not seeing it yet.

@vedith: What's your thought on TS?

@PimHel: You cool with a TS lynch?

[guille2015]

Mod: I'll be VLA for the next couple of Days. I've got a game to set up and my workload doubled.

[guille2015]

@vedith: What's your thought on TS?

I haven't seen anything to take my vote off him. However, this could easily change if Gameplay isn't IC after claiming it.

The Mod has posted the vote count and has not yet confirmed the IC. How does that make you feel?

[guille2015]

I'm back, Don't get angry. Let me catch up, which should be simple enough with like 5 pages only.

[guille2015]

I still think it's weird as fuck that fire sucks this hard with the amount of posts he has..

But eh

Do you not think that Fire is Scum anymore?

[guille2015]

My thoughts on Fire's message:

If the message came from scum, then Fire is likely town. The possibility of them looking for a third party like this is interesting. I think that a cunning scum team would implicate themselves in the message sent to fire as to distance themselves from the object. So, Cunning scum would ask Fire to RVS vote on themselves and thus players could conclude that Orc is not scum. Being an RVS means that the vote would not have gone farther nor too serious.

If the message came from town, then Fire is null cause if he was scum, he would have obviously notice the obvious attempt at having him reveal himself as scum. Kudos for trying this if it is the case as there is not much one can do for messaging on night 0.

Firebringer did not realize that the apple was not part of the original message he alleges to have received. Thus making Gameplay and Fir not of the same team. And much less likely that Fire faked the message.

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- I didn't particularly like the request for a role from Fire.

- Prolapsed Brain ignorance in 71 is interesting.

- I am opposed to claiming this early, but I am aware that power heavy games tend to be broken by full Role calls organization by the townliest players. I can see Fire's position, but his explaination doesn't mach my position on claiming. He is just saying, he likes to see claims.

- 74 appeal to empathy is it?

- I'm liking pimhel

- TS <> Firebringer.

- Reaction test by vonflare. I like.

- 98 Bad vote.

- 112 This is a pretty bad unvote especially coming after TS saying that He was scum because he voted for Fire.

- I don't think PB is even trying.


Ok, I'm thinking that I want to vote between Orc and Fire. I don't think they are both scum together. But Although I find Fire's position really bad. I think Orc's points are much more egregious.

Orc, Why should I not vote for you?

VOTE: Orcknight

PB is also a valid candidate for a lynch at this point. But I like going after those that are more active.

[guille2015]

Now you're pushing one of the most active and scum hunting players

Your ISO says otherwise.

[guille2015]

guille what is your reason for thinking OrcKnight is scum? If you say my case is bad then why are you with me?

That doesn't make much sense.

No, not that, your case on Orc is your best thing today. Everything before that is bad. I've pointed out the bad stuff in my catchup post.

[guille2015]

With no pressure, keep in mind.

What? I was at L-1.

Well, normally one would wait until somebody makes intent to hammer.

[guille2015]

Fine.

I'm the Town Booster.

At night, I choose a player, they're immune to any anger point increases, and immune to any negative actions.

Your power is fine and dandy, but what I really want from you are your reads. How do you see the rest of the players? Why do you think Vonflare is scum?

[guille2015]

So Tiershift is scum. Care to explain why the change on Orcknight?

[guille2015]

Oh and it's less than a day for deadline.

[guille2015]

Well, I asked you a question. I wan that answered before I explain myself.

[guille2015]

Sigh, I'll post now rather than wait for you to answer. Which means that any answer would now be invalidated. We need to pull a lynch soon anyways.

TS ISO really has nothing to show for itself. Some questioning to Fire which he dropped (fine, that's reasonable) But that lead straight to TS going after Orcknight. Up till this point it was fine, but I think it was a little lackluster in his analysis from a town|Tiershift standpoint. After this point there isn't any push from him, except for a lame push on PM which is a very easy push as PM has done nothing. 20 hours before deadline, He votes Vedith saying "None of his posts gear towards scumhunting." which I would disagree, although I do think that Vedith's Gameplay vote sucks, but even if accurate, I don't think it's something you push when you are this close to deadline.

The worst part is his change in orc. Here's the problem. Orc is scum. There is very little interaction between them, especially when TS point's out that Orc and PB could be scum. TS gives a perfectly reasonable and damning (IMO) position to why he thinks Orc is scum, yet votes for PM who is useless. I think it's fine to vote for useless players or players that are apparently lurking or trolling, but when you decide between this guy who has done nothing and this guy who has done some pretty scummy shit, you better guess that my vote will not go to the useless guy. Orc's unvote was pretty lame. Really really lame. Firebringer did a hell of a job pointing it out. Nothing from TS who is focusing on PM. This is basically the only interaction between them which seems to lack a followup. On this last 20 hours, the top two wagons are PM and Orc, and TS goes after Vedith saying that he doesn't "particularly feel orcknight is scum".

I can see this behavior coming from a Orc/TS scum team. I have successfully pulled this off before as scum. Where you declare your scum buddy and someone else as scum and you push for the other. This play works best when your scum buddy doesn't get lynched, so you try to steer the lynches away from your buddy if you can do it without being noticed (Really hard to do) but pays of late in the game.

I haven't straight out voted TS mostly because Orc is still a valid lynch today, and easier to lynch than TS at this point.

[guille2015]

It was clear to me that Gameplay was a fruitvender and that he did not send the message.

The message being the same indicate that it comes from scum. And hence likely looking for a traitor or something.

I'll do a quick review of my data. BRB.

[guille2015]

Everything just points to PB. And his posts are the worst of them all.

I want your thoughts on Tier.

[guille2015]

Fine.

I'm the Town Booster.

At night, I choose a player, they're immune to any anger point increases, and immune to any negative actions.

Oh, I just notice this. This is pretty close to the Town Calmer:

(A town calmer resets the Anger Point to 0 if it hits town, and has a 50% chance of blocking mafia if it hits mafia).

[guille2015]

Still something doesn't add up. If it is coming from scum, then it has to be a no-killing scum, correct? 'Cus the message is about fire and fire died so. Traitor sending messages?
Eh. About Tier - he really gives me a scum feeling which I can't explain. Tho given his claim I think he might be town. And there is that PB is way worse so.
Pedit: yep

Yeah, I noticed that. But since I think that Tier is scum, then whatever he says could have been manipulated.

There is a possibility that this message could come from the traitor himself. But there are lots of questions surrounding the messaging system.

still PB should claim result followed by Orcnight.

[guille2015]

I got an apple.

Yes, massclaim is a good idea.

WHERE WERE YOU LAST NIGHT BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND TWO?

[guille2015]

I keep reading Peanut Butter. Anyways. I'm fine with quick-lynching PB anytime now.

As for who is PB's partner. I think it is either Tier or vedith. Followed by Radja (But more inclined to think is town). Everybody else is town to my eyes.

[guille2015]

Why did you not visit anybody?

[guille2015]

intent to hammer.

Can we get confirmation from Gameplay and vedith that they are not going to use their powers from now on?

[guille2015]

Radja Killed orcknight. I'm a watcher.

VOTE: Radja

[guille2015]

I've had fun this way. I didn't think people would buy my watcher role. But I thought of some things to say, if it was harder to pull off.

Fun game Sala. I'll pay attention for the rest of the Emotions series.