512: Bojack Horseman Season 2 (Over)

[Firebringer]

/confirm

I was once on a very famous tv show!!

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VOTE: polar vortex

I am, without having a second head.


Anyone else here in the 90s was on a famous tv show? Just me?

Sheep me then!

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VOTE: polar vortex

I am, without having a second head.


Anyone else here in the 90s was on a famous tv show? Just me?

Sheep me then!

VOTE: Firebringer

You can't trick me.

All aboard this for town glory!

I don't trick, I use subtle diversions to cast your eyes on me when their is actual scum lurking.

We're you on a famous tv show ?

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actually, this is better than replacing out

VOTE: Wisdom

Lol at the omgus.

If they're using flavor that would be obviously scum, they usually provide a town flavored fakeclaim so that they aren't caught by flavor.

I don't think there's flavor that would be obvious scum in this theme.
Watch the show .

Who would obvious be evil enoug for their character to confirm being evil?
Maybe those cult leaders but that's it.

Firebringer, how many themed games have you completed?

I'm feeling ETL's overreaction to Wisdom scummy. Initially found it town, but the way he continued with it doesn't seem genuine IMO

-Bearbert head

1 theme game.

It was fun !!


I like wisdom playstyle but I kinda think could be scum given his thoughts just on flavor for this theme.
VOTE: Wisdom

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I didn't even notice I had two votes on me lol.

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You are out if the game wisdom! Time to throw in the towel, you are too old for this game now.

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I was not making a soft claim I was referring to intro song to show. >.>

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@ Firebringer, can you expound on why you think scum would lie about flavor? In my experience, those are the type of things scum like telling the truth about.

@ Sekai, explain your townread on Firebringer.

Honestly my first theme game, I claimed my actual flavor. My flavor was extremely evil within the show it was based on. I actually got away with it and won. One of my scum buddies made up a claim on a one of shot character which I think is safer bet for scum.

In this game there's no real evil flavor I don't think.

Maybe that director or bunny character but that's about it.

Bojack could easily be evil in this. I could see it.

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Wait, was he not referring to this game in particular??

UNVOTE: Wisdom

I thought he was inferring there was and letting on like he knew or something.

[Firebringer]

Hi guys, I just wanted most recent post!

This is shit post, ignore it.

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Wtf.......Just why.


Why would you cheat?

It's a simple game, god damn.
If you need exploits like this to win I suggest a simpler game like tic tac toe.

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So who is all in favor of no lynch today??

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That was long and boring lol.

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"Back in the 90s i was in a very famous tv show"

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We are No Lynching.

Stop trying to ruin Towns chances of winning nub.

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We are No Lynching.

Stop trying to ruin Towns chances of winning nub.

I don't know who you are, but I hope you realize how fucking dumb this post sounds. You didn't even bother reading my posts or responding to them.

I read your post and disagree with it.

We don't need any more info going into the night.

We just got a flip, lynching another possible townie right now only further hurts towns chances of winning.

I do not want a lynch on day 1. We had a technical mislynch happen (It wasn't a mislynch but has same effect)


You sound more anti town then me.

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No lynch is still a bad idea I think. We'd better no-lynch at 4 people not now. Plus, if we have a vig or a heal or something like that, the no-lynch is meaningless.

Let's assume since it's 9 player game 2-7 was original composition.

Now if we lynch now and it flips town that's two town gone with possible third in the night.

So six players left in day 2, we mislynch there and they get a kill it's game over.


So worst case scenario this game is over by end of day 2.

Because you guys want to lynch,

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Firebringer, I don't think you understand the idea behind the no-lynch. And not wanting information, saying it's antitown to want information is baffling.

ETL, I confirm that I post more than Snowstorm. I'm quite a spammy type of player usually, but I try to be more restrained in MS.

You are so bad, going to ignore your posts.

I mean you realize we just got information right? You are dumb town or scum.

We are No Lynching.

Stop trying to ruin Towns chances of winning nub.

I don't know who you are, but I hope you realize how fucking dumb this post sounds. You didn't even bother reading my posts or responding to them.

I read your post and disagree with it.

We don't need any more info going into the night.

We just got a flip, lynching another possible townie right now only further hurts towns chances of winning.

I do not want a lynch on day 1. We had a technical mislynch happen (It wasn't a mislynch but has same effect)

You sound more anti town then me.

where do you think you have sounded anti-town?

Players generally say I am anti town, so yeah.

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firebringer, what does wisdom's flip tell you about other players?

Tells me Kaboose jumped from null to scum for me.

You are so bad, going to ignore your posts.

I mean you realize we just got information right? You are dumb town or scum.

Holy fuck who the hell do you think you are?

June 29 join date - either obvious alt or mistaken newbie.

Lol join date = skill level

So bad.

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lol mislynch me and lose scrubs.

I guarantee either one if these three are scum.

Kaboose most likely
Polar Vortex maybe
ETL sounds like bad town

[Firebringer]

-Firebringer proposes a bad plan.
- I point out the obvious flaws in it
- He explains something making an obvious wrong assumption
- I point that out as well
- Ok, I'm a horrible player and he will ignore me


Notice that ignoring me gives him the perfect reason to sidestep my questions for him. Quite a fan of ad hominem as a defense our little dragon.

I pointed out flaws of wanting a lunch, even if it gave town info we could lose day two because of it, so stop saying you point out the holes.

You didn't. We could lose day two because of your stupid suggestion.

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Let's say I am lynched.

Well I flip town, and what exactly did you learn from my lynch?
He'll if I know.

So someone died night one
So six players tomorrow.

Then say you idiots mess up again.

It's gg then.

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Tells me Kaboose jumped from null to scum for me.

You're going to have to do better than that. Explain why. And why, if he's scum, you feel like letting him live another day rather than voting for him right now?

No matter how positive always leave room for error.

I have night actions which might help me sort out Kaboose.

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There is absolutely no need for the words idiots to be used. It just dumbs down the discussion. And I'll support the feelings that I guess my other head wanted to transmit with the why. No need for that type of post either Kaboose.

You think we have enough information. How? Why? Enough information is only when you've caught the whole scumteam. Has you majesty done that yet?

And you've ignored my point about lynching today and going to night tomorrow. Because you can't go back on your point. You have to straight up dive ahead and ignore the completly logical objections to your plan. And then you ignore the question about why Kaboose is scum. Why? Because you have no idea so you just repeat the point when asked to explain

Incorrect but thanks for playing.

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Why are you seeking neighborizor?

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Polar I got a job for you.

I am going to set you up with a ghost writer so that all your memoirs are written down!!!!

Also meow!!!!

[Firebringer]

*hisses at kaboose*

Your name isn't fitting, Kanoose is fun.
You aren't.

[Firebringer]

Are you just going to soft all the characters in the show?

*barks at kaboose*

That a answer for you?

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@ Kaboose/Firebringer, you missed my questions to you in Post 262.

Your question was serious?

Honestly voting pattern.

While me and Kaboose voted Wisdom, I actually just voted out of confusion on something wisdom voted.

I don't think Kaboose properly explained his vote ever.
So semi-opportunistic scum signal.

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Are you just going to soft all the characters in the show?

Why is this suspicious by itself rather than just annoying?

This is mafia, everything is clue of someone's guilt or innocence.

I have seen people get lunched because of their spelling and grammar before.
We don't need to make sense!!!!

Stop questioning it!!!

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Question to everyone:

What person lynched rightn. Ow would give us the most info?

And why?


I still don't want a lynch today but I would like to hear peoples thoughts

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What exactly about that post looked scummy ?

Lol.

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i am a cop. in order to remove all wifom from etl i am going to cop her tonight because otherwise she might have to be policy lynched.

I have policy called:

Lynch all liars.

I will give you one chance, is this a real claim? Because if it is and you switch it later I am going to get you lynched .

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why would i lie?

I could name plenty for evil.

I could also name a few reason for town, but I think they are all stupid and invalid.

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please name them.

i hope they are not stupid and invalid

No.

Go read up on theory crafting for scum and for town play.

I don't need to go over it all. I clearly know that you should know the answer to that. You aren't a newbie.

You are looking for my thought patterns which normally I am fine with giving but not when you ask it in a roundabout way.

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On the bright side.

Town just got information. Will be helpful for night actions.

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On the bright side.

Town just got information. Will be helpful for night actions.

Yeaaaaaah, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Yes, town got info but so did scum... And for them knowing the cop is like 100% more important

You just admitted that town got more info.

Stop going against everything I say.

I said "on brightside"
Obviously it would be better if evil didn't know our PR.

This ain't my first rodeo.

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Why are you predicting power roles?

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Why are you predicting power roles?

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. If you are talking about me speculating on roles, it is because people's crumbs so far affects my reads and the way players crumb/gambut can be alignment indicative.

It is highly unlikely that scum missed the fact that you are hinting at an investigative role so I see no reason to shut down scumhunting avenues just because "scum might catch on." If you want to hide your role, don't be so obvious about it.

I don't like that you are helping scum by doing this but w/e

I don't think I left any crumbs for my role.

I wish more people would answer my previous question. Who would be most informational lynch?

Also yeah I am willing to leave sonic alone today, we can revisit him tomorrow.

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I don't remember saying that. I must have been drunk posting. ..

Bad fire...

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No Lynch is till the best policy on a purely numbers based approach.

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Nope, I am right. You are wrong.

You literally just asked me to follow group thinking. Yeah, no. If I agreed sure, but I don't.

Also I my job involves math. So no, I am not bad at "maths" btw only stupid people say "maths"

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Of course you don't get me.

Also there could be more than one invest role so why would I counter?

If sonic is lying about role I am almost certainly going to be on his ass about it.

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Umm I think Kaboose is scum already.

But i don't know what you are particularly referencing.

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I have no been ignoring your posts.

You have flaws in your arguments that you won't address, does that mean you are ignoring me????


Should I say you are avoiding me and are therefore scum.
You guys addressed your POV on a lynch today, I disagree and stand by my reasons.

Their is absolutely no reason to lynch other than you can guarantee me with 99% certainty that the person we lynch is scum.

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I have no been ignoring your posts.

You have flaws in your arguments that you won't address, does that mean you are ignoring me????


Should I say you are avoiding me and are therefore scum.
You guys addressed your POV on a lynch today, I disagree and stand by my reasons.

Their is absolutely no reason to lynch other than you can guarantee me with 99% certainty that the person we lynch is scum.

I have posted a flaw. Five times. Why the fuck do you assume we'll lynch tomorrow? Nolynching should always happen in MyLo(exagerattion, but still) And if we no lynch today and get a heal from a doctor, it helps with absolutely nothing
Do you seriously argur you haven't ignored my points about that? Whaaaaat
Point the flaws in my arguement please. You've said I'm a horrible player and nothing else

A doctor healing someone confirms to town, are you serious??

I am sure our invests might find something too.

Don't tell me a random lynch is better than waiting it out .

If it was still 9 players fine, but it's now 8. In this scenario you are false and sound anti town.

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I hope it's me!!!

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Like, it's one thing to argue about mafia theory and be a stubborn ass about it when you're right, but it's totally another to do that when you are dead wrong and have been told so several times by players who have far more experience than you do.

You know it's also one thing to disagree with a player and get mad about it.

It's another to blacklist them because you disagree with them.

Can you please be more mature?
Also just because this thread is in consensus on your argument doesn't make it the correct.

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I gotta ask, what do you gain by telling me that you are blacklisting me?

Like you honestly could just play the game and after just stay clear of games I am in.

I don't get the point of telling me other than to let me know you are mad.
I am clearly not going to change my style of play to accommodate you. I don't think I have said anything personally to you I should feel sorry for.

So I don't get it.

Play the game.
You don't have to play with me after.

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In any event, via scum hunting, it is NOT a "completely random lynch". Let's cut that bullshit short right now.

Bottom line is, we're not no lynching today. Move on. Do something useful or stfu, Firebringer.

Yes. A completly random lynch is better than no-lynch today. At least if we didn't have roles. With roles I'm not that sure, but relying on them to do anything is still bad.

And we wouldn't no-lynch. We'd lynch the biggest suspect. But I guess the whole idea of scumhunting goes right past your head

Experience of day one begs to differ bit w/e different opinions.
I can't tell if Polar is scum with that post. Like it really sounds scummy.

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i wouldnt worry about him too much. invincible ignorance and all that. you may not like him, but if he's always as superficial as his badmath he's gonna be super easy to read. plus you always want a player or two like him in a game when you're scum.

You know who are the best liars?
The ones you think can't lie well.

You never expect it from them.

Think about that before writing me off as "easy to read"

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I gotta ask, what do you gain by telling me that you are blacklisting me?

Like you honestly could just play the game and after just stay clear of games I am in.

I don't get the point of telling me other than to let me know you are mad.
I am clearly not going to change my style of play to accommodate you. I don't think I have said anything personally to you I should feel sorry for.

So I don't get it.

Play the game.
You don't have to play with me after.

I'm letting you know so you don't sign up for games I'm already in.

If I like the game I am signing up for it.

I don't have a problem with you, you have problem with me.
Either get over it or don't but why should I accommodate you because you can't be a adult?

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If we have to lynch number one suspect is Kaboose, I suggest that if we have to but I am strongly supposed to any lynch

VOTE: Kaboose

I have been bullied into voting.

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I hate posting from my phone, so many spelling errors.

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Polar argument is all on my theory disagreements which is a stupid read.

I disagree with you == scum.


It's like wtf? How?

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Oh no, my main reason for wanting a lynch is information. And the possibility of hitting scum, but I thought mentioning that is superfluous. Just that I can't use that arguing with firebringer because he doesn't think information is good for town for whatever reason. Not even sure he knows what we mean by information+

And wing, do you seriously see town putting their fingers in their ears and saying "lalalalala I can't hear you" completly ignoring my points against it(like the whole we can go to night tomorrow)+ ignoring any attempt to get him to scumhunt. I am starting to warm to the idea that he's just bad townie( but we can't policy lynch him )

What a blatant misrepresentation of my arguments.

I don't know what to say to that.

Just wow.

You and Kaboose looking pretty bad.

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Polar argument is all on my theory disagreements which is a stupid read.

I disagree with you == scum.


It's like wtf? How?

No, but completly ignoring my points again and again? Complete lack of scumhunting? How do these sound as scummy behaviour.

Fire, why am I and kaboose scummy? Fucking explain something once in this game. Where am I misinterpreting you? Give examples

You are tunneling me, you completely ignore Kaboose screw ups. Rather have me mislynched than your ally right?
You are arguments on me are bad, and completely theory based.

You just said you are fine with a random lynch.

That good enough.

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So yeah, continue to insult me.

I have heard much better than "firecrotch"

We taking to personnel insults really? Lol

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Oh, firebringer. What happened to you lynch all liars policy? I've openly admitted I've lied on thread. Where are you going to lynch me?

Why are you insisting on trying to antagonize you? I'll lynch you tomorrow scum.

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Difference with me working with those gambitters is that there was three, not all of them could be scum.

Turned out 2 out of 3 were town. Which don't get me started how much that angered me.

Surprised we won.

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UNVOTE: Kaboose

We'll this makes me think I need to rethink Polar.

Hmmm.

[Firebringer]

We'll how much is flavor alignment indicator?

I mean....Bojack could be evil right?
He has issues lol

[Firebringer]

Of course polar wants to tunnel me, that's what he has been doing.
Shocked he went on sonic.

Anyways I guess this changes my view of Polar, not sure who is scum at all now.

It would be hilarious if it was something like idk:
Kaboose and Sekai

If I had to place my bets on someone idk, maybe ETL? Doesn't seem most townie person, besides me I guess.

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Until everyone looks obvtown

Then you must raise the bar

Don't we all need to raise it???

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Dude, you're selfcentered. I've never tunneled on you.

Please explain why did you change your read on me please? And you're not even reading when I said my other head voted Sonic:/. Like this is how much you're paying attention to the game.

Why isn't ETL town? She seems obvtown to me.

You are one player, I refuse to acknowledge a single head.

One slot = One player

I agree I am pretty self centered, are you not? Cause that's a laugh.

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VOTE: wingback

This player is below the bar

I will sheep you sonic,

VOTE: wingback

[Firebringer]

You must post a funny picture. Like "Ka-POW" or something.

Otherwise they will scold you for "putting your vote randomly" or something old and cranky.

Lol I am fine with criticism.

Judging by the criticism I have received so far they aren't very good at pointing out errors.

I might get called "firecrotch"
Like honestly I mean "fire scrub" is so much better insult.

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Firecrotch is actually kind of funny

Really? I don't see it.

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I think I am good.

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Who do you think is the towniest player here? Why?

Sthar,

Been agreeing with most of what sthar has been saying minus theory on no lynch, seems to be on up and up.
Disagreed with a few reads but I see where they can from .

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Who do you think is the towniest player here? Why?

Sthar,

Been agreeing with most of what sthar has been saying minus theory on no lynch, seems to be on up and up.
Disagreed with a few reads but I see where they can from .

What do you actually agree with him on?

It was mostly of what he though about Kaboose.

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Strangely Polar doesn't answer the question.

[Firebringer]

Sonics question.

It was his presentation.

[Firebringer]

He was asking you that dude not me...
Let's see. Stromgest town reads are ETL and Wingback

This is why you are on my:

Misguided Town slot.


You always gotta have at least one player whose reads are bad!!!

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He was asking you that dude not me...
Let's see. Stromgest town reads are ETL and Wingback

This is why you are on my:

Misguided Town slot.


You always gotta have at least one player whose reads are bad!!!

At least I have reads unlike you![/quote
I just said you are town. Also that sthar.

Sekai is probably town too.

Sonic if not lying is definitely town.

Kaboose is prolly town with that flavor. I know I joked he could be evil but I think that's unlikely.

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>.>
You not find that hypocritical with your own town reads?

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I see so many try hards which I usually associate with town but idk.

Reads in This are kind of sporadic and changing a lot.

Usual day one bs.

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I see so many try hards which I usually associate with town but idk.

Reads in This are kind of sporadic and changing a lot.

Usual day one bs.

This is rude. People make efforts posting content and you call them tryhards and say they post bullshit. Extremly rude.


Oh, sekai, when you made that 605 wall and you kind of attacked me a bit, what do you think of my response?

And both the heads have a town read on sekai. I think she( I mean more fferylt)looks for motivation in other people's posts and they(because both) seem to interact with sonic to get a read.

So you and several people here call me bad, stupid, ignorant, and try to make sill insults with my name.

And I am the rude one??

Also try hard isn't much of a insult.
Nowhere in this do I say they are posting bullshit either, all reads could be faked though.

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You are confused.

My job is to lynch evil.

Nowhere does it say "make content".
If you think I am evil for not making that content w/e.
Evil can fake content as easily as I don't make it. It's not that hard to do.

I don't feel like it's important to put a lot of work for day one. I have explained why, so w/e

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Guys I just wanna say I appreciate your hard work doing reads today,

Even though I am sure 90% of the reads will change by tomorrow.

[Firebringer]

If someone puts a gun to your head and pulls the trigger.
Who do you blame? The person holding the gun? Or the one getting shot?

I think town is more responsible for not mislynch then the victim.

The townie could do preventive actions, but in a game of mafia you can get lynched off bad reasons all the time.

I am trying but you cannot hold your own standards against my own.
If I wasn't trying or cared at all, I would just be lurking. I am not .

I am conversing with you all

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Yes, it's you who are right and everybody else in the game wrong. Don't even think you could be wrong! I mean, it's not like the game is filled with people who've been playing for more that 4 years and you for a month, no? Everybody is just persecuting you whose play is objectively perfect and beyond reproach!


Oh. The disconnect is still there. We're voting Sonic even if this partcular head has a minor town read on him(and everybody in the game for that matter :/)

You continue speaking elitist attitude.

You mock me for my arrogance, then portray the very same arrogance I display.

It's really ironic.

I acknowledged several times I could be wrong, but I guess those posts or comments are ignored since I usually display confidence in my thoughts, which is needed for people to follow you.

[Firebringer]

If someone puts a gun to your head and pulls the trigger.
Who do you blame? The person holding the gun? Or the one getting shot?

all

Your analogy is misguided. A better one would be in am office where we all work and you stand there playing video games and wondering why the manager fired you

My analogy has death because the game is someone getting lynched.

Fired from a job isn't the same, especially since only one person makes that decision. Also not your job to inform your boss that your coworker is slacking.

Mine doesn't work slightly because only one person is involved making decision.

Also if a person is fired they will be replaced. Still bad.

What if you shoot someone for murder and turns out he didn't do it and killer goes on killing. Way to screw up.

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you stand there playing video games and wondering why the manager fired you

your analogy is wronger.

firebringer is not playing video games. he has a speech lisp and people are calling for the manager to fire him because you hate hearing his sound + he is "new on the block"



wait till he brings in the fire

then you will be fired

Sonic you are the only enjoyment I get out of this game lol.

I hope you are town.

[Firebringer]

Funny thing:

If I don't get lynched today.
I look scummy enough to survive night, scum probably think I am either easy mislynch Or judging players opinions of me think I can manipulate me.

So yeah, I will be here tomorrow folks

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ETL though I don't know if it's mostly influenced by my opinion if them as a player, so I don't really wanna jump on i.

I am worried about sekai. Not enough to pit vote on, so far plays very town like. Town behavior can be faked.

You know one of the hardcore town players is scum though.

I am good at the LYLO situations on this site so far, been right two times in a row on if.

[Firebringer]

I hate posting from forum. So many errors. I apologize.

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Phone***

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So this vote might be half personal half I actually think he is scum.

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

I have been trying to read his posts in neutral fashion and get perspective, I can't the arguments are bad. They are very eager to policy lynch me. (Yes read your posts you lay out my play style as though it needs to be lynched, you call it scum but I feel it as a excuse)

Anyways, this might be best place for my vote ATM.

Please continue to criticize.

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You haven't bothered to ask me anything about how I feel, why I feel that way or anything. You're not trying to sort me at all.

You're looking for friends who won't lynch you LYLO.

I don't need friends.

This is mafia.
You guys think I am buddying with sonic or w/e but he is the only one being nice to me so I returned it . Does it mean I don't think he could be scum? Hell no. If he turns out to be lying I am first in line to vote him.

I also don't want to question you. You have antagonistic all game towards me. I am almost glad you are blacklisting me.

[Firebringer]

Show me the post.

You are lying I looked through his posts.

[Firebringer]

^ what?

Sonic didn't say he wasn't cop.
You lied.

[Firebringer]

Just wanted to comment on something

ok..... why?

Because I was bored and needed something to discuss!

And firebringer, sorry if you're not having fun this game The problem is we don't feel you listen to us(for example you ignored my flaw of your arguement, you posted a "boring" response to ETL making effort). This does not help town in our opinion. Maybe you're from a different site where you solve the game with night actions on the like, but I think everybody here is more interested in what we call "scumhunting". That obviously includes giving reasons for reads+ answering questions. It's very annoying for somebody to ask questions just for the other player to ignore them.

You are confusing listening with agreeing.
I read your arguments, I didn't agree with then.

Difference.

Also I have been addressing you all game, I don't think I indentionally ignored any questions this game, though but I did want to.

If I did it was probably a bad question anyways.

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I get the feeling that FB is taking this a solo game, when it is very much a team game. If he is town, it would make for a far better team effort if he tried to communicate without so much hostility. You don't need to be friends with someone to not be rude.

p-edit: See Polar's post. MS said, "Even if I'm lying, I'm still town."

1) That's not a admission.

2)in a game if mafia you trust no one. None of you are trustworthy as of yet. Maybe Bojack but I am not sure flavor confirms alignment yet.

3) you been reading your own posts about hostility? Really?
Hey pot meet kettle.

[Firebringer]

Why would I lie about something that can be proven with thread history......

You definitely misrepresented it.

[Firebringer]

There's a difference between discussion and antagonism. You accuse me of antagonism, but when people post things looking for feedback, and your feedback is "You're a bad player. This post is boring." the reaction is not going to be very favorable to you.

What?

You can discuss and be antagonistic at same time you dolt.

One doesn't exclude the other.

[Firebringer]

That's absolutely clearly an admission. And I'm not sure how 2 is relevant in any way... ETL is completly right about mafia being a team game. If you are serial killer, yes, you go alone. If you're scum you can try going alone by bussing partners. But town needs to do what town does, working together

Wrong it isn't a admission.
Wouldn't stand up in a courtroom. Doesn't stand up here.

He admits he isn't cop by saying "I am not cop" that is a admission. See the difference?

Also you work together with players you think are on your team but so far I have no good scum reads besides perhaps ETL to think any of you are town.

[Firebringer]

There's a difference between discussion and antagonism. You accuse me of antagonism, but when people post things looking for feedback, and your feedback is "You're a bad player. This post is boring." the reaction is not going to be very favorable to you.

What?

You can discuss and be antagonistic at same time you dolt.

One doesn't exclude the other.

Yes, but the correct response to disagreeing is certainly not going ad hominem, but rather "I disagree because...". See the because? That's the key word in the sentence. Giving reasons. We feel you haven't done that.

I feel like we should sit down and talk things out because if we are calm and civil it will be easier to find scum.

Wait you are saying hostility and aggression are apart of human experience
That these emotions are key to expressing how a person thinks and feels?
That if we examine why they express these emotions we might better understand them?

Hmm that's no way to play. Mafia is a game of logic, not psychology.
We are here to lie and spot liars, not be dicks.

We are professionals.

No emotion except happiness or neutrality.


I am not Spock

[Firebringer]

And the only reason you think I'm scum is because you don't like my attitude towards you, as you have admitted.

That is not a good reason.

You like MS because he was nice to you. You liked Polar because he unvoted you, where you were scumreading him before, suddenly you weren't.

This is not scumhunting at all.

I changed my mind in Polar because scum aren't tunneled, which is why I think I could be wrong about you right now btw.

So yeah.

Also ignore me pressuring Kaboose.

I admitted my attitude on you might be clouding my judgement, and that is me being honest about it.

[Firebringer]

Are we in the courtroom?

Well, we're 11 players here. We'll be the jury. 9 of us think it was a lie and think the accuser has confesed to his sinful ways. One of the juries is the defendent for some strange beaurocratic reasons. Should we not pass the sentence as a lie because one of the juries classified the admission as technically not one, even if the meaning is clear. Or don't you find the meaning clear?

You realize with jurry it has to be unanimous decision right?

Also we are 8 players minus one for Sonic who is on trial.

[Firebringer]

Going to go something more pleasant for awhile like hit my head against the wall for awhile.

[Firebringer]

Last time I will ask, Sonic are you a cop?

[Firebringer]

He claimed he was a cop, why would you need him to say it again?

I am willing to let him slide if he admit sight now he was lying .
He gets honesty points even if he lied to begin with.

If it comes day two and he says he lied I am lunching with no arguments.

[Firebringer]

Mafia is a game of logic, not psychology.
We are here to lie and spot liars,

lol

So what's funny "?
Is this not obvious statement?
Am I missing something?

We can agree purpose of mafia is for mafia to lie to town and kill them and town to find the liars and kill them

It's not that complicated.

firebringer, serious question:

how old are you?

This is not a serious question.

I don't care if you know but honestly it's a bad question.

I am 23 by the way.

[Firebringer]

Lying and spotting liars is psychology, fire.

What??????
No one saw my sarcasm in that huge post lol.

[Firebringer]

Really?

Not answering any of these, because it has nothing to do with game. Except the nglish question I guess.

Can we continue or do you want me to explain everything about my life?

[Firebringer]

Lol are you a real life cop? Lol

The profiling makes this game completely creepy.

[Firebringer]

I don't think anyone should be expected to answer personal questions from a stranger on the internet. I'd be pretty creeped out, too.

This is pretty much why I don't want to.

I will say that I am American and English is my primary language. That should give you decent enough info to profile me ( not really but I don't think my education level or job helps much either)

[Firebringer]

You know quite a few micro games don't even make it as many pages as this game has gone.

Perhaps we have enough info now to go into night?

I am again requesting no lynch.

[Firebringer]

@ sthar listening is different from agreeing . I have listened to you guys plenty.

[Firebringer]

Thoughts on no lunch again??

[Firebringer]

I pick pass.

Your turn Polar.


Btw I hate you autocorrect!!!

[Firebringer]

Wingback I never claimed invest.

[Firebringer]

That isn't a claim to any specific role.

[Firebringer]

Well I honestly don't want anyone lynched cause I don't even have good scum readings on anyone.

ETL is only one I want lynched and I am unsure if it's mostly driven out of personnel reasons or because I think she is scum.
Like maybe 60% personnel 40% scum.

Not great for lynch target IMO

[Firebringer]

Maybe you should lynch me? I mean I'll flip town but maybe it will give you some info.

I don't think going to change mind on no lunch, you guys want lynch.

Might as well cut out the disagreeing town now. Cause if you don't I will basically be here until likely endgame.

[Firebringer]

I am so loved in this game <3

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE: ETL

I will await till day ends now.

[Firebringer]

This is a cute fight.

Can you two please take a look at ETL tell me why I should town read her?

Kthanks

[Firebringer]

Sonic you are pretty random lol

[Firebringer]

Sthar has been acting odd last few pages but I still feel warranted town read.

Not as strong as it was before for me but I don't have it as number one suspect.

The relation to ETL if she is scum I can see.

Unsure, I am still unsure about sekai. I kinda feeler paranoid about them. Like I don't think I would know if they are scum or not.

[Firebringer]

Mr Mackey: Drugs are bad.

[Firebringer]

I am still in that weird idea if "no lynch"

I don't think Polar is scum.

[Firebringer]

Well I highly doubt this is SvS fight lol.

Let's all take a breather, and take a look at ETL.

[Firebringer]

where the fuck is everyone. only firebringer and etl checked in and they posted prod dodges? get on polar vortex now. he admitted he is a good scum player already. i will destroy this scumbag

There isn't much to discuss, I think ETL is best choice right now and even then I am hesitant for lynch.

So I don't think my post was prodge.

[Firebringer]

Lol what question?

I said sthar is acting weird and my town read is weaker than it was.

Sonic you are acting desperate.

[Firebringer]

You know what.
Sonic made so much effort.
He won my vote.

VOTE: Polar Vortex

[Firebringer]

I laugh at blacklists.
It's the most funny invention on this site next to hydras.
At least hydra I see utility.

Blacklist is for people who are butthurt and can't handle another player. Guess what? grow up. It's a game. If the player isn't breaking a rule, then shut up and play the game.

Anyways you call me innocent when pages ago you were tunneling me. Now how about actually convincing me you are a bad lynch instead of trying to play to emotions.

A read list as of now would be nice.

I am confident with the amount of effort and sonics claim he is town. so many here are quick to discredit him and I don't see any reason too.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE: Polar Vortex/unvote]

I swear if you are scum, going to be pissed.

I am going to sleep, back to no lunching.

I am honestly not voting for rest of day. You guys have fun at each other's throats done with this for now.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE: Polar Vortex

[Firebringer]

No, you aren't redeemed for this. If you want redemption, vote for guaranteed scum Sonic.

I don't care about being redeemed.
You try to manipulate with emotional shit as much as you claim sonic did.

I am not listening to either of you.
Kill each other.

I am not your pawn.

[Firebringer]

Did I chase everyone out of the game?

I am lurking and prod dodingn. Now.

[Firebringer]

Maybe you are my partner?

Sonic admits being scum.

I am ready to lynch him.

[Firebringer]

Who lied? I lyncch all liars!!!

[Firebringer]

So....anyone warming up to the no lynch yet?

[Firebringer]

Normally I would take 33% odds for the lolz!

But I don't feel like it since we lost a townie due to modkill.
We are still not anywhere near a lynch for anyone (and I am not voting)

Can you guys stop pretending like you want a lynch and join my anti lynch movement?
I promise you, you wont look like scum for admitting you want no lynch.

[Firebringer]

Prod dodge!

[Firebringer]

And 2/4 of my favorite people in the game left!

AM I one of these?

[Firebringer]

Time to do the No Lynch dance!
No Lynch!
No Lynch!

[Firebringer]

do you have to pee? is that what this is?

Yep, no one let me out to the bathroom so I really got to go!!!!

[Firebringer]

Kaboose is my best friend now!

Someone joined me in the protest against this lynch mob.

[Firebringer]

Hi. If you lynch me, AP will be very sad. Don't lynch me.

No lynch is better than town lynch!

Agreed!

[Firebringer]

That lynch on Sonic was so bad, can I just say that it was horrible? Unless we get some night action results from town right now.

Which we likely wont since we killed our cop, I say we do no lynch again. (Yes, I am broken record)

LYLO tomorrow. Two scum. We will have one less suspect tomorrow.

BTW: V/LA till Friday.

[Firebringer]

I don't trust TSO in this game. He seems to be tryhard scum trying to look town.
VOTE: TSO
Going with this ATM.

[Firebringer]

Sekai and me would be awesome scum team!
I think its TSO and sthar though.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: sthar8
Dont you vote for my favorite player here! Sonic is gone ;(

Anyways, Sekai is town or I will eat my own shoe. You are 10x more likely to be scum sthar8.

[Firebringer]

Sekai if you are scum going to be so mad post game lol.
I mean, you got me fooled.

[Firebringer]

@TSO sekai or fferyllt is playing like was in divine comedy:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=62627
As far as I can tell. I don't like using meta all the time, but I am also just feeling town from the slot.

[Firebringer]

So, definite scum in Sthar8, Sekai, Firebringer (unless I'm wrong on Polar). That doesn't help very much for me but I want to see how it affects other player's scumhunting knowing it isn't me and TSO since we're the only ones who've had a chance to quickhammer.

You have three scum reads with two actual scum. Want to remove one?
Or explain them more?

[Firebringer]

Who do you think is my partner?

Your partner is the host. He is the hidden scum.

[Firebringer]

We need you Polar and Wingback to lynch Sthar8!!! He is scum with TSO, I am like 85% sure.

[Firebringer]

'More Experienced' = Boring! lol, naah WingBack I like your analysis just think you overthink stuff. Sometimes you just gotta pick someone and YOLO it.

[Firebringer]

Always set the bar low.
You can only match it or go beyond!

Its like with life, if you constantly set yourself up for high expectations you can only get disapointed.

[Firebringer]

Polar you are not voting. Any reason?

[Firebringer]

So this day is still going with no activity.
*whistles loudly*

[Firebringer]

So sekai if its not sthar8 and TSO. Who is sthar8 teammate? WingBack? I doubt heavily that it is Polar.

[Firebringer]

Busy week for me so expect sporadic and low activity.

Still cant decide what to do. Maybe i am overthinking it. We've eliminated me/tso, me/polar, and polar/tso.

Can we no lynch? A smaller pool will help for me.

I am fine with no lynch, but you not wanting a lynch right now sounds like you are tryign to save s8thar from being lynched.

See my problem with you saying this at this point and not earlier? earlier, I would be like "yes, someone agrees with me!" right now when we got a wagon going its like "I don't want my ally lynched"

[Firebringer]

So I guess this is leaning towards no lynch....
I really think it might be WingBack and S8thar now. With the way Wingback responded and wanted to do a no lynch with the amount of pressure that was on s8thar.

[Firebringer]

No, there is no point in waiting. considering we don't have 4th vote. It wont matter either I think.

[Firebringer]

I'm sorry, do you know what an ad hominem is?

Its where you attack your accuser rather than the argument.
Do I get a cookie?

You still aren't answering who is scum btw. Or what your 'claim' is.

[Firebringer]

Honestly you can't quick hammer with only one more vote. If Sekia is scum and you aren't, that only leaves one extra scum vote.

Unless you are saying we are both scum.

I don't know how you not being hammered proves you aren't scum. If you were at 3 votes for long time and said that 2 out of 3 were scum, I could maybe see that. I don't right now, everyone is hesitant to lynch you.

You know who honestly is more hesitant to lynch their allies? Scum.

They see enough people wanting to go with No Lynch hell they would jump on it as a conveniance. I said No Lynch at beginning. Most of you were against it, but now when pressure is on sthar8 almost all of you change your tune?

WAY TO CONVENIENT.
If anything I am convinced that you and Wingback or TSO are scum.

[Firebringer]

@Sthar8 I maybe a Idiot, but at least I am not scum like you!

Solid burn fire. Thanks fire. Good work on that.

[Firebringer]

If it was Wingback and TSO they wouldve hammered and this game would already be over.

It could be Sekai and someone else, but I heavily doubt it.

[Firebringer]

I pointed at the fact earlier today we were in MYLO, no one listens, when pressure is on S8thar though, now its all "WE CANT LYNCH HIM GUYS WE WILL LOSE!"

Give me a frickin break.

You can't have both, you are definitely the most likely teammate for S8thar, Wingback. After we lynch S8thar, you are next.

[Firebringer]

- Wingback is a competent player who can play beyond what Polar and Firebringer are capable of

That seems rather insulting.
How could you say that about Polar?

[Firebringer]

I really think WIngback is S8thar ally Sekai.

[Firebringer]

I'd still like people to explain why the trust in Sekai. At this rate, if Sekai is scum, we'll lose the game but at least I get to say "I told you so."

Sekai is acting way more town than you.
You might be 'scumhunting' just as much as Sekai, but your reasons for no wanting a lynch now completely contradicts your earlier position. Why is that? Cause s8thar has the pressure?

If Sekai is scum, who exactly is Sekai partner? Cause it isn't me. I doubt heavy its TSO, maybe Polar but I think thats a bit of a stretch too.

You can say you told me so if you are in fact not scum. Now why dont you do us a favor and bus your ally to make this easier.

[Firebringer]

Well....

We failed hard guys. Nice going WingBack and TSO.
Shouldve lynched TSO/ETL day 1.

Ugh. That was our bad.

[Firebringer]

I feel like I was a big fail on day 2.
I shouldve stuck with No Lynch >.>

[Firebringer]

Thanks for modding Angry Pigeon.
Besides my own incompetence and town fails, it was a fun game.

Loved the theme, hope you do a sequel. I will pre in to that <3

[Firebringer]

At least I was right about Polar and Sekai being town at the end of this.
I would have been really mad of Sekai my strongest town reads was scum and played me that hard.

[Firebringer]

So sorry sthar8. You know at the end I think we were in that tunnel were lost all focus and just thinking our conclusions had to be correct and disregarded any reasons against it.

;(

[Firebringer]

This was all because you guys lyched SONIC!

HE WAS OUR JESUS!

He died for our sins and what did we do? Keep fucking it up.

[Firebringer]

I am really glad we all ignored that tidbit of Wisdoms. Like its one thing to win, but winning because someone cheated is really a hollow victory.

[Firebringer]

the moral of the story is that if you're lynching sonic on day 1 its 100% he's town

thanks

I thought the moral was, always trust Sonic.

[Firebringer]

You know I hate to say it but the problem was I didn't stick to my guns more and go with a No Lynch like I originally said for Day 2...

THE PROBLEM WAS I WASNT STUBBORN ENOUGH!