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In post 15, Gale Wing Srock wrote:And, we can't self vote I suppose
Yes we can!
#VoteTierhousehold2015-
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In post 30, Soren wrote:I've seen flubber around this site a lot but never been in a game with him till now. Is he a really good player? Since we already have two people voting for him.
Nah he plays too many games and then lurks out too often
I'm going to halt my campaign right here
VOTE: flub
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In post 41, CityElectric wrote:@Mod: I am voting for Gray, not Tier
@Tier: what makes you think Flub is town?
He's not as awkward as he usually is page 1...
In post 46, Flubbernugget wrote:I'm starting to warm up to the idea that quick wagons right now are anti-town on anyone because there's not real way to get reactions like a lynch vote, and we don't want a "quick hammer" forcing a hoh nomination with any guesswork.
Also tier is now a scum read for the over aggressive town hunting
okay I'm just approaching this as scumhunting but then the other way around since I only have to vote town this dayphase so I vote my biggest townread
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In post 47, Soren wrote:37 he questions gray's vote on flubber. This is odd because he should be happy about gray voting for flubber since tier wants flubber to be the hoh.
I feel like I might be able to read flub, especially if he becomes hoh. I don't have a big townread on him, but a light townlean. I don't exactly understand why gray is campaigning this strongly for a flub hoh, even though I currently agree with his preferred candidate.-
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Gray answer me: why did you campaign for flub?In post 94, CityElectric wrote:Tier definitely seems scummy to me. as does Gray. Town lean on Kaboose, he seems to be scumhunting and is generally making good posts.
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In post 88, TierShift wrote:Kaboose, give me your read on soren that is independent of the fact that he got hammered
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In post 101, Soren wrote:From tier's vote I'm assuming he has a stronger town lean on me than flubber.
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I want kaboose nominated. He's not only trying to tie a scumflip from me or gray to scumsoren (which I feel is reasonable), he's also trying to discredit soren already and setting him up for a mislynch (yes, I feel pretty sure he's town) regardless of my or gray's alignment.
Of course I'm going to take a good look at soren's alignment, should gray flip scum, but it's totally unreasonable to already call him scum just for being hammered.
Also, kaboose's current working theory assumes that both scum are at the end of the scumbuddy wagon, which is completely ridiculous. Why would scumme and scumgray draw so much attention to ourselves, when the wagon was already pretty likely to go through? I would rather expect notmafia to be scum if soren is scum than me, looking at wagon composition and reasoning of votes.
I think kaboose is not evaluating this game in a genuine manner, but is rather trying to push fallacious arguments through and trying to increase the lynching pool.
I think I want gray nominated alongside kaboose, because kaboose's behaviour especially makes sense if gray is his scumbuddy and he wants to chain two miskynches of that on me and soren.-
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No, I do not say it's not a possibility. I'm saying that I cannot understand why it's THE true one according to you other than 'they voted quickly after each other'
You're trying to chain a gray scumflip to a player who is believed by many to be town by a fallacious argument. That is trying to expand the lynch pool.-
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In post 117, GrayFoxxxx wrote:In post 115, TierShift wrote:oh yeah I thought of that but then I forgot it when I had time to make the post
why gale?
Thought of what? Sorry for my failure at reading comprehension.
That was aimed at the post directly above
Look at the middle of 113 for my gale read
I'm not sure that just sheeping kaboose is that scummy. But now that I think about it, there was a whole train of people calling me scum at once (soren, flubber, kaboose, gale) which has somehow faded into the background now that I'm more of a presence and flubber said he doesn't want me nominated anymore. That makes gale somewhat likely as scum, I guess? I'm just not really feeling you town though, even though we seem to be agreeing.-
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In post 121, GrayFoxxxx wrote:In post 108, Kaboose wrote:I started mostly just calling you and gray scum... And then adding in soren. Everyone should potentially have three names they want lynched.
Kaboose's scum picks-
1.GF
2.Tier
3.Soren
Kaboose's plan-
To get scum Soren to nominate he buddies. And if GF is town, than it further proves Tier, or Soren to be scum.
this is exactly the point I made but then with fewer words-
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In post 137, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 116, TierShift wrote:Also notmaf and flubber I want your feedback on my kaboose post
Accusing Kaboose of any sort of conspiring doesn't really impress me. His play is too careless to be able to pin such specific motivations to it
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In post 139, Kaboose wrote:In post 104, Kaboose wrote:After Soren's last post, I'm happy thinking it's
scum
Tier
Soren
Gray
Everyone else - town
So I'm almost 100% sure that the two people I want nominated, Gray and Tier, stand absolutely no chance of being so.
Yeah this.
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He's right. If you call him scum, you should tell him why so he can look at your motivations/defend himself. It's ridiculous to assume he knows why you call him scum.
I see Red in Tier's #107. That post smells like a scum who wants to frame a townie, more than a townie who wants to scum hunt.
Why should Tier wait till Gray's flip to look at Soren's alignment? Shouldn't he be questioning Soren regardless to enhance his read on him? Or does he know Soren's alignment already?
I don't think soren is scum. And I don't really believe gray to be scum at the moment. If I'm wrong, i will reevaluate. There's no need to reevaluate right now.
I think I've already said that I find notmafia underwhelming and his general absence isn't helping much. I think maybe he should be nominated alongside kaboose.
City is utterly null for me rn and flub has been kind of meh lately
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In post 161, Gale Wing Srock wrote:That is not the way to go about things, you should be fairly certain of your reads.
And if you are ignoring Soren in your scum hunt, that means something is wrong with your scum hunting.
Pretending your reads are the best and you're completely certain on day 1 is bullshit. I'm definitely having strong reads for so early in the game.
There's nothing wrong with my scumhunting if I ignore my townreads, stop saying things that are stupid.-
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In post 159, Kaboose wrote:It's D1 bro, get over my scum read on you. If it's LyLo you can be upset. You're tunneling on me because I'm calling you scum for what I've even stated is a theory at best.
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In post 170, Not_Mafia wrote:I would nominate Grayfoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and Kaboose for ultimate dramz
Notmafia if you keep avoiding doing anything I WILL get you nommed either today or tomorrow-
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In post 185, CityElectric wrote:The way you played the HoH election was just all sorts of awful. The campaigning for yourself could still possibly be forgiven, as that still was RVS of sorts
What do mean by 'forgiven'? Are you suggesting it's scummy to campaign for yourself?
but your sudden switch to Flub and subsequently Soren didn't look good at all.
Because?
Just naming the things I've done this game doesn't explain why you think I'm scum. Why do you think scum is more likely to do the things I did than town?-
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In post 188, Soren wrote:TierShift - rocky read, and has ultimately landed on a reactionary scum read now.
I don't get this. Can you elaborate?
I also don't think you're really trying to evaluate gale. You're writing him off as 'makes townie post, but can easily be faked'. That's exactly what you said on page 2. PAGE 2. Don't tell me there's not any new information to base your read on and don't tell me his play has been the same as it was on page 1 because it has NOT been so.
At least tell me what you feel is townie about gale's posts-
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Soren, forget about where I said I don't understand your read on me, didn't see the quote below. Your posts are too long!
In post 188, Soren wrote:Then this is the part that irks me the most. He discredits kaboose's theory/possibility by postulating another possibility. Like, what makes tier's possibility on not mafia being scum more likely than kaboose's possibility that tier, gray and soren are scum? Nothing. They are both just as likely as the other, which is why I like kaboose trying to prove or disprove his theory so that once disproven to a certain extent (I say to a certain extent here because I know that I am not scum, but tier and gray could still be scum), kaboose will move on from his theory and tackle something else. Whereas tier is just discrediting kaboose's theory by postulating a possibility which is just as likely as kaboose's but also doesn't try to confirm nor unconfirm the possibility of not_mafia being scum. Instead he attacks the theory maker and scum reads him for it.
I understand what you mean, but that is not why I showed the other possibility. I showed that there are possibilities (namely notmaf or even zymf being scum) just as likely as his current possibility (me and gray being scum), not because I wanted to dovert attention away from his current theory, but to show that his theory holds no more ground than any of the others and that I even think others make more sense.
Let's recapitulate: he calls you, me and gray scum JUST because we two hammered you. I tell him that that makes no sense and that it's just as likely (or even more likely, as scum dislike drawing attention), that scum would be on a more 'safe' (like 3rd) position if they wanted you to become elected. He literally called us scum just for that. There is no logic and I tried to counterprove his point with an example that was just as likely following his assumption (that scum wanted their scumbuddy nommed).
If you don't understand this, please ask me to explain again. This is very important and if you understand this, you also understand why kaboose's arguments are so freaky.
Please don't nom me together with gray.-
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In post 218, Soren wrote:
It'sIn post 199, TierShift wrote:but to show that his theory holds no more ground than any of the others and that I even think others make more sense.becauseit holds no more ground than others that Kaboose is trying to verify his theory. You say that the others make more sense, but you do not try to verify the other possibilities. You just drown Kaboose's theory in a puddle of possibilities.
I do that to show that the assumption his reads are based on also leads to other possibilities. It's why his theory makes no sense to specifically be THE valid one.
WIFOMIn post 199, TierShift wrote:I tell him that that makes no sense and that it's just as likely (or even more likely, as scum dislike drawing attention), that scum would be on a more 'safe' (like 3rd) position if they wanted you to become elected.
Do you disagree that the other possibilities are as likely from kaboose's assumption?
I understand what you're saying. But I like the fact that Kaboose is going out of his way to verify his theory. Something I don't see you doing when you postulated your other possibilities.In post 199, TierShift wrote:If you don't understand this, please ask me to explain again. This is very important and if you understand this, you also understand why kaboose's arguments are so freaky.
No, because I think you are town. Duh.-
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In post 221, Soren wrote:
Somewhat, yes.In post 220, TierShift wrote:Do you disagree that the other possibilities are as likely from kaboose's assumption?
why?
In post 222, Soren wrote:At this rate I'm going to nominate gray and tier. If anyone disagrees speak now.
Nom me, fine, but with either kaboose, gale or notmafia.-
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In post 225, Flubbernugget wrote:Does anyone other than gray disagree that 192 is a massive misrep?
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In post 229, Soren wrote:
I misread disagree as agree. My answer should be no.In post 226, TierShift wrote:In post 221, Soren wrote:
Somewhat, yes.In post 220, TierShift wrote:Do you disagree that the other possibilities are as likely from kaboose's assumption?
why?
In post 222, Soren wrote:At this rate I'm going to nominate gray and tier. If anyone disagrees speak now.
Nom me, fine, but with either kaboose, gale or notmafia.
okay, then, as you agree that the other possibilities are just as likely, do you find it odd kaboose picks one to be the true one based on nothing?-
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they're talking about the kaboose townread part.-
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In post 277, Kaboose wrote:I'm playing from the assumption that Soren is scum. Because of that belief I'm going to peg you and Tiershift as their partners.
Foe the gazillionth time: how does me and gray scum follow from the assumption soren is scum?-
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In post 280, Soren wrote:I'm saying he's town because he's trying to verify his theory.
This is NOT a valid reason for townreading him. I agree that as town, he should test his theories, but he would do exactly the same as scum. Why do you think town would verify their theories ut scum wouldn't?-
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In post 301, Kaboose wrote:VOTE: Foxxxx
This is because I need to concentrate on the game and I can't do that with you in the game as well. If you're lynched or not please take a cold shower and get rid of your hard on for me.
I thought you thought he was scum?
Hello nice to have you back in here
Sad to see you've not been nominated
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In post 318, CityElectric wrote:
I feel like scum is sliiiightly more inclined to campaign for themselves, as that means they can easily nom two townies and secure a mislynch. The town motivation for doing so would be making sure town get the nom, however, if that was your motivation, I feel like town wouldn't have switched that easily to Flub, but would have stuck with their guns and continue to campaign for themselves. Hence, you score massive scum points in the HoH election.
You realise that there was no one was on my side at that point, right? The chances of getting myself nominated were extremely slim. Are you saying that you would have kept on campaigning for yourself, even though you had townreads that had more chance of getting nommed?
In post 315, TierShift wrote:In post 308, Soren wrote:Tier and gray who are you choosing for the next hoh?
It's a surprise.
How is this pro-town?
How is telling who I will nom protown? It can only give scum the opportunity to choose between us based on if either of us noms a scum.
Overall, I feel more confident in a Tier lynch than a Gray lynch at this point. Mainly because Gray's push on Kaboose feels genuine, whereas Tier's pushes are more reactionary. Add that to Tier's behavior in the HoH election.
VOTE: TierShift
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In post 322, Kaboose wrote:Currently ITT people who were scared of being nominated but are okay posting now that they can't be nominated.
First thing you said all game that I agree with wholeheartedly-
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In post 332, GrayFoxxxx wrote:In post 331, Kaboose wrote:In post 304, Soren wrote:Happy scum day kaboose.
Thank you Soren! I had no idea I'd been playing on this site for a year now.
It really shows
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In post 339, GrayFoxxxx wrote:I can tell he's been around a year...
thought it was a sarcastic passive aggressive remark
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