Micro 529: Big Brother 3 Mafia - Game Over!

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Flub you are scum give me your gif

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Vote for the Tier
Believe in the Tier
#VoteTierhousehold2015
That shall be all

VOTE: tier

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Notmafia what makes you believe you can compete with me?
#VoteTierhousehold2015

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Electric not voting me is a scumclaim
Why are you claiming scum?
#VoteTierhousehold2015

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And, we can't self vote I suppose

Yes we can!
#VoteTierhousehold2015

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Gdi
#VoteTierhousehold2015

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Lame gif
Also you're not so bad when you try flub

Now vote me
#VoteTierhousehold2015

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I've seen flubber around this site a lot but never been in a game with him till now. Is he a really good player? Since we already have two people voting for him.

Nah he plays too many games and then lurks out too often

I'm going to halt my campaign right here

VOTE: flub

Notmaf vote flub or propose a counter that's not you

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Because I'm not giving this to someone I think is good, I'm giving this to town. I hardly know anybody in this game. The only one who I'd maybe rather give it to than flub is notmaf but I don't particularly think he's town atm

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I'm definitely still open to receiving it myself, though.

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Gray why flub

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Gale wing, who do you see as most likely town and why aren't you voting them?

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@Mod: I am voting for Gray, not Tier

@Tier: what makes you think Flub is town?

He's not as awkward as he usually is page 1...

I'm starting to warm up to the idea that quick wagons right now are anti-town on anyone because there's not real way to get reactions like a lynch vote, and we don't want a "quick hammer" forcing a hoh nomination with any guesswork.

Also tier is now a scum read for the over aggressive town hunting

okay I'm just approaching this as scumhunting but then the other way around since I only have to vote town this dayphase so I vote my biggest townread

I don't think quick wagons are anti town tbh

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37 he questions gray's vote on flubber. This is odd because he should be happy about gray voting for flubber since tier wants flubber to be the hoh.

I feel like I might be able to read flub, especially if he becomes hoh. I don't have a big townread on him, but a light townlean. I don't exactly understand why gray is campaigning this strongly for a flub hoh, even though I currently agree with his preferred candidate.

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I am VERY MUCH of the opinion that the hoh should go to the person that is most obviously town even though he is a VI

VOTE: soren

btw that was not about you it was in response to your long post
So towniness>player strength

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Hoh still has 7 days after being nominated so I don't think quick wagons are such a big problem

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I do, but they all haven't posted a lot and I would like them to post some more before I'm going to start prodding them.

How about you?

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Gray, I asked you about your flubber support. Don't ignore it.

Zymf, why do you not mind getting nominated?

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Zymf, that is not how this works.

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Kaboose, why do you think we are scum? Do you think we are scum with soren?

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Kaboose, give me your read on soren that is independent of the fact that he got hammered

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Gray answer me: why did you campaign for flub?

Tier definitely seems scummy to me. as does Gray. Town lean on Kaboose, he seems to be scumhunting and is generally making good posts.

Can you elaborate on the read on me and the read on kaboose?

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Kaboose, give me your read on soren that is independent of the fact that he got hammered

Kaboose

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From tier's vote I'm assuming he has a stronger town lean on me than flubber.

This is correct.

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I want kaboose nominated. He's not only trying to tie a scumflip from me or gray to scumsoren (which I feel is reasonable), he's also trying to discredit soren already and setting him up for a mislynch (yes, I feel pretty sure he's town) regardless of my or gray's alignment.

Of course I'm going to take a good look at soren's alignment, should gray flip scum, but it's totally unreasonable to already call him scum just for being hammered.

Also, kaboose's current working theory assumes that both scum are at the end of the scumbuddy wagon, which is completely ridiculous. Why would scumme and scumgray draw so much attention to ourselves, when the wagon was already pretty likely to go through? I would rather expect notmafia to be scum if soren is scum than me, looking at wagon composition and reasoning of votes.

I think kaboose is not evaluating this game in a genuine manner, but is rather trying to push fallacious arguments through and trying to increase the lynching pool.

I think I want gray nominated alongside kaboose, because kaboose's behaviour especially makes sense if gray is his scumbuddy and he wants to chain two miskynches of that on me and soren.

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No, I do not say it's not a possibility. I'm saying that I cannot understand why it's THE true one according to you other than 'they voted quickly after each other'

You're trying to chain a gray scumflip to a player who is believed by many to be town by a fallacious argument. That is trying to expand the lynch pool.

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oh yeah I thought of that but then I forgot it when I had time to make the post

why gale?

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Also notmaf and flubber I want your feedback on my kaboose post

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oh yeah I thought of that but then I forgot it when I had time to make the post

why gale?

Thought of what? Sorry for my failure at reading comprehension.

That was aimed at the post directly above

Look at the middle of 113 for my gale read

I'm not sure that just sheeping kaboose is that scummy. But now that I think about it, there was a whole train of people calling me scum at once (soren, flubber, kaboose, gale) which has somehow faded into the background now that I'm more of a presence and flubber said he doesn't want me nominated anymore. That makes gale somewhat likely as scum, I guess? I'm just not really feeling you town though, even though we seem to be agreeing.

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I started mostly just calling you and gray scum... And then adding in soren. Everyone should potentially have three names they want lynched.

Kaboose's scum picks-

1.GF
2.Tier
3.Soren

Kaboose's plan-
To get scum Soren to nominate he buddies. And if GF is town, than it further proves Tier, or Soren to be scum.

this is exactly the point I made but then with fewer words

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Also notmaf and flubber I want your feedback on my kaboose post

Accusing Kaboose of any sort of conspiring doesn't really impress me. His play is too careless to be able to pin such specific motivations to it

None of that makes sense to me. How does being careless affect having certain motivations for something?

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After Soren's last post, I'm happy thinking it's

scum
Tier
Soren
Gray

Everyone else - town

So I'm almost 100% sure that the two people I want nominated, Gray and Tier, stand absolutely no chance of being so.

Yeah this.

You know that soren said he's going to nom gray, right?

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The

burden of proof

isnt on me for this one.

TierShift, what do you think of this post by Gray?

He's right. If you call him scum, you should tell him why so he can look at your motivations/defend himself. It's ridiculous to assume he knows why you call him scum.

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I see Red in Tier's #107. That post smells like a scum who wants to frame a townie, more than a townie who wants to scum hunt.

Why should Tier wait till Gray's flip to look at Soren's alignment? Shouldn't he be questioning Soren regardless to enhance his read on him? Or does he know Soren's alignment already?

I don't think soren is scum. And I don't really believe gray to be scum at the moment. If I'm wrong, i will reevaluate. There's no need to reevaluate right now.

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GrayFoxxxx and TierShift, what do you guys think of CityElectric, Flubbernugget and Not_Mafia?

I think I've already said that I find notmafia underwhelming and his general absence isn't helping much. I think maybe he should be nominated alongside kaboose.
City is utterly null for me rn and flub has been kind of meh lately

Gale, what is your read on kaboose?

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That is not the way to go about things, you should be fairly certain of your reads.
And if you are ignoring Soren in your scum hunt, that means something is wrong with your scum hunting.

Pretending your reads are the best and you're completely certain on day 1 is bullshit. I'm definitely having strong reads for so early in the game.
There's nothing wrong with my scumhunting if I ignore my townreads, stop saying things that are stupid.

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It's D1 bro, get over my scum read on you. If it's LyLo you can be upset. You're tunneling on me because I'm calling you scum for what I've even stated is a theory at best.

eww this is pretty awkward

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I would nominate Grayfoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and Kaboose for ultimate dramz

Notmafia if you keep avoiding doing anything I WILL get you nommed either today or tomorrow

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No, it simple is soren's choice.

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The way you played the HoH election was just all sorts of awful. The campaigning for yourself could still possibly be forgiven, as that still was RVS of sorts

What do mean by 'forgiven'? Are you suggesting it's scummy to campaign for yourself?

but your sudden switch to Flub and subsequently Soren didn't look good at all.

Because?

Just naming the things I've done this game doesn't explain why you think I'm scum. Why do you think scum is more likely to do the things I did than town?

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TierShift - rocky read, and has ultimately landed on a reactionary scum read now.

I don't get this. Can you elaborate?

I also don't think you're really trying to evaluate gale. You're writing him off as 'makes townie post, but can easily be faked'. That's exactly what you said on page 2. PAGE 2. Don't tell me there's not any new information to base your read on and don't tell me his play has been the same as it was on page 1 because it has NOT been so.
At least tell me what you feel is townie about gale's posts

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Soren, forget about where I said I don't understand your read on me, didn't see the quote below. Your posts are too long!

Then this is the part that irks me the most. He discredits kaboose's theory/possibility by postulating another possibility. Like, what makes tier's possibility on not mafia being scum more likely than kaboose's possibility that tier, gray and soren are scum? Nothing. They are both just as likely as the other, which is why I like kaboose trying to prove or disprove his theory so that once disproven to a certain extent (I say to a certain extent here because I know that I am not scum, but tier and gray could still be scum), kaboose will move on from his theory and tackle something else. Whereas tier is just discrediting kaboose's theory by postulating a possibility which is just as likely as kaboose's but also doesn't try to confirm nor unconfirm the possibility of not_mafia being scum. Instead he attacks the theory maker and scum reads him for it.

I understand what you mean, but that is not why I showed the other possibility. I showed that there are possibilities (namely notmaf or even zymf being scum) just as likely as his current possibility (me and gray being scum), not because I wanted to dovert attention away from his current theory, but to show that his theory holds no more ground than any of the others and that I even think others make more sense.

Let's recapitulate: he calls you, me and gray scum JUST because we two hammered you. I tell him that that makes no sense and that it's just as likely (or even more likely, as scum dislike drawing attention), that scum would be on a more 'safe' (like 3rd) position if they wanted you to become elected. He literally called us scum just for that. There is no logic and I tried to counterprove his point with an example that was just as likely following his assumption (that scum wanted their scumbuddy nommed).

If you don't understand this, please ask me to explain again. This is very important and if you understand this, you also understand why kaboose's arguments are so freaky.

Please don't nom me together with gray.

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but to show that his theory holds no more ground than any of the others and that I even think others make more sense.

It's

because

it holds no more ground than others that Kaboose is trying to verify his theory. You say that the others make more sense, but you do not try to verify the other possibilities. You just drown Kaboose's theory in a puddle of possibilities.

I do that to show that the assumption his reads are based on also leads to other possibilities. It's why his theory makes no sense to specifically be THE valid one.

I tell him that that makes no sense and that it's just as likely (or even more likely, as scum dislike drawing attention), that scum would be on a more 'safe' (like 3rd) position if they wanted you to become elected.

WIFOM

Do you disagree that the other possibilities are as likely from kaboose's assumption?

If you don't understand this, please ask me to explain again. This is very important and if you understand this, you also understand why kaboose's arguments are so freaky.

I understand what you're saying. But I like the fact that Kaboose is going out of his way to verify his theory. Something I don't see you doing when you postulated your other possibilities.

No, because I think you are town. Duh.

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Do you disagree that the other possibilities are as likely from kaboose's assumption?

Somewhat, yes.

why?

At this rate I'm going to nominate gray and tier. If anyone disagrees speak now.

Nom me, fine, but with either kaboose, gale or notmafia.

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Does anyone other than gray disagree that 192 is a massive misrep?

lemme check

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@flub: I agree that in 192 he misunderstands soren's reasons for calling kaboose town.

Why do you think it's a misrep?
What do you think scumfox has to gain by it?

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Do you disagree that the other possibilities are as likely from kaboose's assumption?

Somewhat, yes.

why?

At this rate I'm going to nominate gray and tier. If anyone disagrees speak now.

Nom me, fine, but with either kaboose, gale or notmafia.

I misread disagree as agree. My answer should be no.

okay, then, as you agree that the other possibilities are just as likely, do you find it odd kaboose picks one to be the true one based on nothing?

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based on nothing but the assumption. The assumption leads to multiple scenarios as soren just agreed with me, of which you just picked one based on nothing. And you're not even willing to talk about that.

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Scumish:
GrayFoxxxx - this is simply based on his hammer.

Massive misrep?

they're talking about the kaboose townread part.

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I'm playing from the assumption that Soren is scum. Because of that belief I'm going to peg you and Tiershift as their partners.

Foe the gazillionth time: how does me and gray scum follow from the assumption soren is scum?

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I'm saying he's town because he's trying to verify his theory.

This is NOT a valid reason for townreading him. I agree that as town, he should test his theories, but he would do exactly the same as scum. Why do you think town would verify their theories ut scum wouldn't?

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I think I might even go for a notmaf gale nom at this moment really

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Holding breath intensifies

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GRAY
YOU
ME
1v1
RIGHT NOW
GETREKT

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VOTE: Foxxxx

This is because I need to concentrate on the game and I can't do that with you in the game as well. If you're lynched or not please take a cold shower and get rid of your hard on for me.

I thought you thought he was scum?

Its Time for a TierShift!

VOTE: TierShift

Hello nice to have you back in here
Sad to see you've not been nominated

VOTE: Grayfoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxx

Hello nice to have you back in here
Sad to see you've not been nominated

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Tier and gray who are you choosing for the next hoh?

It's a surprise.

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I feel like scum is sliiiightly more inclined to campaign for themselves, as that means they can easily nom two townies and secure a mislynch. The town motivation for doing so would be making sure town get the nom, however, if that was your motivation, I feel like town wouldn't have switched that easily to Flub, but would have stuck with their guns and continue to campaign for themselves. Hence, you score massive scum points in the HoH election.

You realise that there was no one was on my side at that point, right? The chances of getting myself nominated were extremely slim. Are you saying that you would have kept on campaigning for yourself, even though you had townreads that had more chance of getting nommed?

Tier and gray who are you choosing for the next hoh?

It's a surprise.

How is this pro-town?

How is telling who I will nom protown? It can only give scum the opportunity to choose between us based on if either of us noms a scum.

Overall, I feel more confident in a Tier lynch than a Gray lynch at this point. Mainly because Gray's push on Kaboose feels genuine, whereas Tier's pushes are more reactionary. Add that to Tier's behavior in the HoH election.

VOTE: TierShift

What do you mean by a reactionary push?

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I'll pagetop this because it is important.

There are only two voters left. Please wait with voting if you are the last one, since I have NOT YET made a choice for HoH nominee and I also have NOT YET posted my reads.

TIA

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Currently ITT people who were scared of being nominated but are okay posting now that they can't be nominated.

First thing you said all game that I agree with wholeheartedly

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Happy scum day kaboose.

Thank you Soren! I had no idea I'd been playing on this site for a year now.

It really shows

stop taking the game down this level, thanks.

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I can tell he's been around a year...

thought it was a sarcastic passive aggressive remark

what do you mean by babysitting?

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Kaboose I really want your current theory updated btw

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Funny how kaboose came in here to just vote and not talk about how soren nominated his scumbuddies

no its really not funny

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I automatically skip over anything that is obviously harassing another user since those are generally useless posts so I don't remember them so I cannot comment on them

your post would have been more subtle if it had been an insult

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Remember, that if you end up picking a townie yourself, and the votes are not tied, then you would obviously be suspected more by us for the mislynch.

Oh hell keep your manipulatory practices to yourself

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yeah I also felt like this could link gale to gray

but I don't think gray is scum..

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I automatically skip over anything that is obviously harassing another user since those are generally useless posts so I don't remember them so I cannot comment on them

your post would have been more subtle if it had been an insult

I don't understand this nor do I believe it

It's true tho

I'm a very efficient reader nowadays.

I skip over every argument between two players unless I have a very specific interest in it since it's most likely bullshit

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Flub do you see gale as scum even if gray is town?

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How about we don't speculate on that tyvm

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I've sent it in.

Tell me if you're going to hammer me soren because then I'll get final reads out.

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What do you mean stall? I have no intention of getting my reads out at this moment unless I'm getting hammered.

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I think that soren is going to hammer gray. If he's not, I'll say my goodbye and that's it. I don't think gray is scum anyway.

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Fine. I don't really see kaboose as scum anymore, I think he might be town who is misguided, even though his earlier theory still doesn't make a grain of sense to me.

I want notmafia and gale nommed for tomorrow. Notmafia's complete lack of any kind of thoughts in this game is so atypical for him-town and I'm not really familiar with his scumgame. I'd expect him, as town, to at least come in to argue with the ones not scumreading gray. He's not always up for talking about things that don't interest him, but he surely tries to evaluate the viewpoints from those that disagree with him in every game I've seen from him.
Gale because he's extremely manipulatory. I see no town motivation behind the pushes that he is making and the dirt he is throwing on me. He does not explain his points, but he tries to get unnecessary information on the table that can do nothing but help scum. I don't see him evaluating the game in any way that makes townish sense to me.

I have at least light townreads on everyone else but zymf. He's basically been extremely unnoticeable to me and shied away from discussion when he was not being considered for nomination after HoH was elected. He popped in again to place a vote.
I might be wrong about him in which case cityelectric will become my third scum. I like his original content but it's quite thin and he hasn't really explained the thought process behind it that I asked for.
I don't think I'm wrong about flubber or soren or even kaboose for that matter.

Looking at the votes, especially those by notmafia and zymf, I just don't think gray is scum, as day 1 bussing in this setup looks ridiculous to me.

I'm not sure if you are just saying this because you want my reads, soren, or if you really want to hammer me. What I think your considerations should boil down to is this:
First and foremost, do you really believe me to be scum more than gray? If so, hammer me right now and let's stop wasting words.
If you don't, please remove gray. I feel that he is toxic to the gamestate and that we can form a strong townbloc and lock this game up.

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Toxic?
It's been pretty much me v.s everyone sans tier.

that's what I'm saying. I think you're town, but you're promoting TvT fights, for instance you v kaboose. I don't think that's going to end tomorrow.

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No, I'm saying that if he wants to hammer me he should just fucking do so and not argue about it any more.

I totally understand that you want me removed though!

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Hold on, why is gray not scum anymore? You wanted to nominate gray and kaboose, but now they're both town?

This was ages ago. If you've read any of my posts the last 10 pages, you'd know that my opinion on gray changed long ago.

Look, I think me and gray are both town. I have not much to gain by getting gray lynched other than to improve town cohesion. But town cohesion is obviously not going to work if you think I'm scum.

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Why do you see his as misguided town now? Like what changed?

Him evaluating the game in a mindset similar to mine after gale advocated for lynching me. To be honest, I just didn't understand his earlier play more than I thought it was scum-motivated and I pushed for him to see how his opinions would change and I'm satisfied with the way they did.

Notmafia's complete lack of any kind of thoughts in this game is so atypical for him-town and I'm not really familiar with his scumgame. I'd expect him, as town, to at least come in to argue with the ones not scumreading gray. He's not always up for talking about things that don't interest him, but he surely tries to evaluate the viewpoints from those that disagree with him in every game I've seen from him.

You say this is his town game and then make a 180 read on it?

No, I describe his towngame and then say that this is not it.

Flub I want you to come to me about my reads.

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*come talk

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*comes to talk

give me a few mins (by few mins i may mean half an hour)

That was @flub but whatever

I really wanna get my thoughts across to him so please wait with hammering me actually

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Notmafia do you think gray is scum or not

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TierShift is also trying to LynchShift.

As I told you guys, he is trying to play with Soren's mind in trying to make him Choose Gray. I don't know why he is so afraid of getting lynched?

You know that you are getting lynched tomorrow right?

Tier there's a whole fucking game here and you're saying you're waiting on the player with sporadic activity

More stalling and I can't even see a motivation for it now

Hint hint guess who's becoming HoH?
Just tell me you're going to pit notmaf with gale tomorrow tyvm

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This is a cruel joke right

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Gale I have 0 issue with you nomming me today if it's against notmafia

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show yourself notmafia

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Why soren?

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I don't get your logic but I'm okay with your nomination pool

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I don't get why a townflip from me would make you read soren as town. He basically did not waver on nomming me and gray for all of his hoh period.

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I'm not sure, it's just my perception that a very long time passed between Gray and Tier had the most votes and till Soren actually nominated them.

Then go read back and see if there is any time soren actually considered someone else.

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this is hopeless

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I'm not sure, it's just my perception that a very long time passed between Gray and Tier had the most votes and till Soren actually nominated them.

Then go read back and see if there is any time soren actually considered someone else.

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dodge nothing is happening

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Being pitted against people I think are town demotivates me

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Gale if I live I'm SO going to make sure you're nommed tomorrow.

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It's funny how you think you know me. My pick for HoH is in, I'm positive he will make the right choice so someone just hammer me and let's be done with this.

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I thought it was 4 to lynch but w/e this doesn't really matter

let's just get this guy replaced or something

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pretty good job on making it seem the only possible teams were zymf-notmaf and gale-fire, teammates.

Town lost it's momentum with the flub eviction.