Micro 530: Auction Mafia II Final!

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VOTE: Orcknight

I don't know about you guys, but I won't be bidding today. I think it's pretty likely that the roles up for auction will get increasingly powerful as the days go on.

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I doubt it. They didn't last game, and if they get more powerful as there are less people in the game, then their power is multiplied. I was waiting for a vig or something last game. It never came lol

Ah, right. I completely forgot about the "II" part...well okay then.

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Hell is town. Although Vedith and anyone else who spoke up are right about not coordinating bids - then scum will just know who to NK, will they not?

Vedith is clear scum regardless though. VOTE: Vedith Will pull up some posts in a minute.

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I'm not in scum mind set so I can't answer that.

And when did I say that they would definitely go to scum? This is another one of your intentional misinterpretations.

FB - Come and make your Other body look less scummy please because he is setting off the bells.

Okay, what makes you think that? Without claiming that I said something other than I have.

To clarify, looking scummy and actually being scummy it two different things.

I would say scum FB though if you are the one who did 82 - Confirm if this was you or not?

Such a scummy post. XD using words like "refusing" etc is a scum tactic. Again, if FB I am 100% convinced that he is scum.

I'm pretty sure I did.
For example - When you said to say who should and shouldn't bid. This is only helping scum.
I mean, re read the game and it will tell you a lot.

But just because you are thinking does not mean that scum is thinking it. You are basically saying here that you act against how scum you would act.
Me scum would do things differently to you scum. For example, not use random.org to lynch. This is why this comment is invalid.

Would you like more on the matter? To why it's a pointless comment, I mean.

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"Intentional misinterpretations" - that is scum wording. Also I see scum more often than town refuse to hypothesise what they would do as scum, for fairly obvious reasons.

85 starts the trend of the cautious push on you. Evidently he sees that there is a substantial opening to attack you but ONLY if you were the Fire head. I can see why a scum player who knew Fire would think on those lines. More importantly, he's set up to be able to completely redact his attack if it isn't against who he hopes it is - why on earth is there need to be so offensive yet defensive as town? Especially when he's already made out that the Helz head is performing actions he considers scummy anyway?

85 continues this trend. And he beats around the bush instead of actually responding to you. Why on earth does it make any difference who posted that if it's so ridiculously scummy? It's not natural.

"But just because you are thinking does not mean scum is thinking it. ... Me scum would do things different to you scum." Like damn that is really bad.

Also just to be pedantic, it's not a FoS if it comes with a vote.

Pedit: Yeah, Orcknight isn't a bad choice either, ftr.

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Is that aimed at me or Vedith? I assume it's the former so I'd really like you to expand on that.

Also, I don't believe it is your place to criticise my avatar when yours is pretty much the same size. :l

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Well, this place sure is active.

Would be nice to at least hear from Vedith what he thinks about my analysis of his posts.

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Well I don't know how you read it specifically, but I do know that you missed this question as you haven't answered it: Why exactly does it make any difference which head posted what if what they posted is scummy?

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Well Tetaes, I would be up for an argument if that post hadn't made you obvtown. What's your read on Vedith?

All Alone...you've just been attacked. Got anything to say about that?

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Your post looked very genuine to me and I agreed with pretty much everything you said. You seem to be looking at the game from a near-identical angle to me, which is a great indicator as well.

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I know an obvtown when I see one, son. I didn't say all of what Tetaes did earlier because I didn't see sufficient need to, as I have already conveyed the majority of what I have wanted to. Besides, if I had laid my thoughts completely out already, I wouldn't have been able to get this read.

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And what information did you get out of my response to you?

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Yeah, I'm not really giving much of a fuck rn. Shame really. I remember when I used to actually get excited playing mafia.

Despite that, though, I'm pretty close to solving this game. The current situation is how I envision a town to be when it isn't being manipulated by scum. Ergo scum is either not doing any work here or are one of the current wagons. I believe at this stage that the scum is Vedith and one of Pepto, Flubber or lane, priority on Pepto. Lynching in that general area will guarantee us the win as far as I see it.

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And you have yet to explain why, too.

[Ricastle]

Okay, sure.

VOTE: Pepto

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I trust HB more than I trust myself at this point. Also, it's true that Vedith has looked less scummy recently.

Thinking of putting your vote somewhere yet?

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Scrap that I forgot you already voted Vedith.

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What a grand old time we're having here.

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so having some town votes on me is to be expected.

What the fuck is this? Your wagon consists of All Alone, your 'top scumread', me, a townread, and HB who you haven't stated a read on from what I can see. Why did you expect to be voted by

town

? Why is the mindset you are displaying here not even factoring in the existence of scum players?

@Everyone not on Pepto, if that post doesn't convince you to vote him I don't know what will.

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I have decided not to bid this round, so I'm good.

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Because it's highly unlikely that I will win any of the items. So it's a waste of time and money.

Have you actually considered why scum would say that to legitimise your argument or are you just scrounging to find anything you can use as evidence against me at this point?

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What are you talking about? Scum will want to kill townies who won the bid(s) ASAP. Those who didn't spend are prime kill candidates later on, yes, because if town wins a bid by a landslide at that point it will be clear who it is. There is no benefit to leaving those who won the PRs alive by killing off people who will only become a threat later.

People were confirming their bids before we end day, so that's what I did. Are you actually going somewhere with this? Have you bid yet?

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Unless you mean that if they do not want the tracker result, they will want to kill them to prevent results? Even then, it's more beneficial to kill a known player with 100 lucky bucks.

Why? The nature of all the PRs is the same. Why do you consider it more beneficial for scum to stop a player getting results later rather than now?

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I was waiting for a vig or something last game. It never came lol

[Ricastle]

You're assuming that something which didn't happen in the last run of this setup will happen in this run, which is never solid foundation for an argument. Not to mention that a vig in a micro which only appears when there are 7 or less living players maximum and is potentially attainable by scum is so hideously unbalanced it's not even funny.

[Ricastle]

Not flipping bad!

Actually Pepto

is

flipping bad. HAHAHA aren't I funny

[Ricastle]

Thanks bro. I don't think it was much down to me at the end of the day but I appreciate the sentiment.

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Nah, I'm good with Vedith now, especially after this flip.

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VOTE: Titus

I'm pretty sure this is game.

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Why do you want that?

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The tracker to claim, @AA

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^Why?

Vedith, what are your thoughts on Titus and lane?

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I won the Tracker. Flubber's town. As far as I see it, the only logical options for scum left are Titus and Runner. And I'd prefer to lynch Titus first simply because her slot was the one out of the two in question that wasn't on the Pepto wagon. That sound good?

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But you obvtowned that slot...

Why did you sheep me on them before, then?

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Meanwhile, whoever gets the PGO should gift it to Flubber. That way scum is forced to kill a random townie and one of us will be guaranteed to survive to Lylo if it comes to that.

Because you were right about the first lynch. You obvtowned them, not me

Why didn't you question me on it at the time, then?

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I think he's townier than Titus.

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So if we lynch Titus and the game isn't over can we get Runner tomorrow?

VOTE: Titus

Yep. Although I think lane should be factored in too now, as is recent play has been really sketchy.

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Because I had forgotten you did that. Why did you keep questioning me instead of addressing the discrepancy if your vote on your obvtowned slot

Because I couldn't care less about addressing it. I know I'm town, and at this point most others should too. But if you really want to know, it was more of a reaction test than a read. Tetaes's reaction was pretty good and his resulting play was consistent with his prior play, his content output rate left pretty much unaltered, so no problems there.

However, I would not expect a reaction like Pepto's when he, by his own admission, was swamped with games and couldn't fully focus on any particular one. And his play attested to that - he made himself out to be pretty obvious scum at the end of the day. Therefore, contrasting All Alone's analysis that Pepto didn't want Tetaes to be townread because he was town, I believe it was instead a knee-jerk partner slip. As I said, I don't think scum in the position he was in would stick their neck out just to break up a potentially forming townbloc. That's what I would expect from a player who was earnestly, competitively engaged, which was not the case here.

And there's a few other minor reasons but they aren't really important.

Pedit: Ftr I was already responding

[Ricastle]

Well that's definitely some wine right there.

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Unless some people put in bids already, yes it does. Thanks lane.

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This is a dire state of affairs. I actually think anyone other than us two could be scum at this point. Vedith kill makes me lean more towards it being lane or Runner, though. Plus the fact that AA is probably town based on his play although he still feels off to me somehow.

Well, the good news is that one of us will be alive for sure tomorrow. Regardless of whatever WIFOM play the scum was trying to pull, that was a bad move.

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VOTE: Runner

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Both the tracker and the PGO were always potentially buyable by town. Regardless of anything else, it's a fact that our current situation is perfectly possible in accordance with the setup.

I really wonder if lane is pulling a massive fake-out here but I'm also worried about the other scenario. Truth be told, the only other times I've seen players give up and resign to being policy lynched, they've been scum. He does raise a good point about AA, though, and hearing the latter's thoughts right now would be quite helpful.

UNVOTE:

[Ricastle]

This doesn't feel like TvT to me.

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We've probably lost this now.

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Because now lylo's going to be a total gamble, and I can never envision a town win coming from that.

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What a day! GG all! Great endgame play there, AA.

And of course thank you Lucky for modding. Your work is definitely appreciated.

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Yeah, I do think that Runner made a misplay killing me, considering HE had the Doctor so Flubber would have been a sure kill. Even if I did receive the cop, I wasn't conftown so he would have still had a chance to turn the tables, which was not possible in the other scenario.