Micro 530: Auction Mafia II Final!

[Vedith]

Evening all,

VOTE: Hellbringer

Scum confirmed!

@Lucky - Nice, 4 items this time! ^^

[Vedith]

Btw I'm with Lane on the quick hammer... Although no Sal this game!

@Lane - I want to answer your question. It's an offsite player (approved to play) but I forget their name. Should still be on the sign ups thread.

[Vedith]

I'd Like Orc to answer your question, nothing else really happening.
At this stage, only scum have a visiting power.

[Vedith]

Well orknight has 2 votes, we could talk about that.

He actually has 3.

[Vedith]

And you clearly didn't read the first game... correct?

This tells me no.

I believe it would be beneficial for us to coordinate bidding.

Wait, who suggested it last time, was it scum or town? I think it was Red, right?

[Vedith]

I believe we should ensure some players set aside 100% of their funds so when needed they can snipe a role we specifically want or do not want the scum to have.

You mean let the scum know who has spent money and who hasn't?

[Vedith]

We could also attempt to keep bids low. If we do this effectively it means that we keep more money in the town holding that advantage.

So scum can mid bid on what they want and we lose it?

[Vedith]

For example Vedith just poked that last game a scum player presented a similar idea to what I am saying.

He was actually town. Why did you assume that he was scum and that is what I said?

[Vedith]

I say we organize who bids on what items and how much, we can do this better than last iteration of game.
Town put bids as high as 50 but not higher, preferably stick to one item.

If scum want to win, they will have to bid 51 and then we can win all items from then on.

Deja vu

Last time scum spent 100 on the first night and still won (Given that it was me that lost us it).
This idea already had the holes poked into it.

[Vedith]

Although just to humor you I saw your comments as pushing against my proposed idea. In line with the other comments it just makes sense that you were insinuating it would be a scum driven plan. I am a little curious about you now. Some of your comments seem out of place. As if you are floating on the edge of looking like you are contributing while staying vague enough to back track. Nobody can call it a slip if you float in that grey area of neither outright supporting or opposing a plan right?

You really should look into the last game. It will give you a clearer understanding.
And I wouldn't say I think it was red... I'm not sure who would. I would say I think it was scum.

[Vedith]

What word?

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Ah, I guess

Lucky

the mod added it for if we speaking to him
I did not know that could be done.

[Vedith]

Wait, it's not in mine or the others.

lucky

must have changed it? XD

[Vedith]

I don't think that it actually would in this case.

Lucky

to confirm I guess though? He might not though.

[Vedith]

So yeah, that role is less useful. Good for late game claims though.

[Vedith]

No, it's not totally worthless. Just not great.

[Vedith]

No, it's not totally worthless. Just not great.

Are you trying to get town players to waste their money on that??

Yeah I forgot that I said bid on it...

[Vedith]

@Vedith-
How would you use each role if you were scum?

What are you on about?
Scum would only want RB and Tracker out of the list to ensure a kill and no results.

As a cop - If I saw RB and Tracker on someone for example I would assume scum over town.
Cop going to scum - To find out if a certain person has money or not. If they know that Mr X spent $40 on an a role, that means that they can rule them from their list to kill next.

[Vedith]

I'm not in scum mind set so I can't answer that.

And when did I say that they would definitely go to scum? This is another one of your intentional misinterpretations.

FB - Come and make your Other body look less scummy please because he is setting off the bells.

[Vedith]

Okay, what makes you think that? Without claiming that I said something other than I have.

To clarify, looking scummy and actually being scummy it two different things.

I would say scum FB though if you are the one who did 82 - Confirm if this was you or not?

[Vedith]

Such a scummy post. XD using words like "refusing" etc is a scum tactic. Again, if FB I am 100% convinced that he is scum.

[Vedith]

I'm pretty sure I did.
For example - When you said to say who should and shouldn't bid. This is only helping scum.
I mean, re read the game and it will tell you a lot.

But just because you are thinking does not mean that scum is thinking it. You are basically saying here that you act against how scum you would act.
Me scum would do things differently to you scum. For example, not use random.org to lynch. This is why this comment is invalid.

Would you like more on the matter? To why it's a pointless comment, I mean.

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For a start, asking what I think scum will do it better than wgat I would do as scum.
Still, what you do as scum is different. You said that it's for you to counter. Now... I can't see anyone else not killing, it's a waste of a kill and its too messy. So we go into day 2 with a kill and 9 possible outcomes that were put onto the table (assume you are consistent with asking this question). 1 of the ideas provided was used by scum. Where do you go with that? As you wouldn't be countering all 9 outcomes, right? It's left no where and you counter tactic actually helped the scum.

There's a very strong reason why only you would go with that plan - the risk of you getting RB or your partner is high enough to not make it valid. There is also a BP so that would have to be taken into consideration. Just means that it's shakey all over.
Again - when there is a kill, what will that tell you?

[Vedith]

It's nearly 8am and I haven't slept yet so I'm really going.
We shall continue this in the morning.

[Vedith]

Right, so where were we?

[Vedith]

Yeah I haven't been on sitewide.

All I read from your post was "I'm defending my scum partner hell here". Be sure to let me know if I read it wrong though.

[Vedith]

Well that's easy. Because I don't know the other person at all. I've had games with FB and when he does certain stuff it's strange for him.
Like his post of me not answering what I would do as scum, is something that town FB wouldn't do imo. His other head, might do that, I have no idea.

[Vedith]

prodge

At it's finest.

[Vedith]

why are quick hammer posts necessary

Last game scum quick hammered day 1 and 2 and won. x:

[Vedith]

Can you elaborate on this more?

How so? Would it be easier to read the first or no?

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prodge

At it's finest.

I don't see a lot of substance in your posts and this isn't helping

Nothings happening in the game, I didn't think that your post changed it.

[Vedith]

I think it was more of an inside comment from last game. Don't you worry your head over it.

[Vedith]

It was something along the lines of scum just bid 51 on the roles they want and they grantee it. They let us waste on on rest.
Also that people never follow the plan and you will get a Rambo kid.
Best to read the game if you want the full reasons I can't remember it, I just remember that it wouldn't work out.

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10/10 logic

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Wait, when I was town reading either of you?

[Vedith]

: all alone

Any reason?

[Vedith]

I know an obvtown when I see one, son. I didn't say all of what Tetaes did earlier because I didn't see sufficient need to, as I have already conveyed the majority of what I have wanted to. Besides, if I had laid my thoughts completely out already, I wouldn't have been able to get this read.

So much bollocks right here.

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Hi Runner.

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Also, Vedith's case of 'Hey, I didn't exactly said that!' is really stupid.

Btw I missed this post.
Just to confirm, saying something in a different term and actually saying something completely different is not the same.

Tetaes, you lean scum on me but yet no vote on me? And no vote any where. Care to explain?

[Vedith]

He obviously worded like like that for a lolol, but I think that he actually believed that I changed a comment from the level of "He was tall" to "he wasn't short"...
Either way it has no backing.

[Vedith]

Prodge

How about no. Give some reads, ask some questions... because you're not doing much as of yet.

[Vedith]

You're actually participating though...

[Vedith]

Vedith - null/scum. This is due to general attitudes when responding to attackers, particularly lashing out. Might have to visit some of your previous games for meta though. Whilst both are voting for you, you've implied that HB and Ricastle are the scumteam - do you still think this? Anyone else you might suspect? Anyone you think is town?

I still think HB and Ricastle. If it was HB trying to protect Ricastle instead I would think otherwise, but that's not the case.

No one is striking me as town apart from Lane (As scum, he would easily be pushing the early suggestions from HB imo as it is helpful to scum and it seems that a few people here would go along with it). Could be a lack of content in the game but most aren't standing out.
All Alone null/lean town if anything, but there's not too much to go by so far, I just think that he's given more town comments in his 6 posts than HB has in all of his.

Peptobislawl doesn't even know if he is scum or not if you ask me.

I would like you to elaborate on HB scum hunting. The thing with FB (not sure on his other head) is that he won't buddy buddy his scum partner, but I haven't seen many of you play so when people are calling him town that does make me wonder.

[Vedith]

Lynching in that general area will guarantee us the win as far as I see it.

Unless you are wrong on me. Then it makes the remainder of your list void.
Unless this is you saying that any name not on that list is town fo sho?

[Vedith]

Hmm. Not sure I like this post, but can't put my finger on why. I'll come back to this later.

Spoiler:

He's scum, that's why.

[Vedith]

I trust HB more than I trust myself at this point. Also, it's true that Vedith has looked less scummy recently.

Thinking of putting your vote somewhere yet?

This is so scummy... What changed?

[Vedith]

The difference is Ricastle sheeped his opinion off HB like he has been doing all game. Surprised that you didn't notice that, but hey, some people pay attention more. I won't hold it against you.

[Vedith]

I'm okay with either HB or Ricastle lynch. Also not against an All Alone lynch

UNVOTE: HB
VOTE: Ricastle

Pept is confirmed town since both are on his wagon.

[Vedith]

I have decided not to bid this round, so I'm good.

See, why would town say something like this?

[Vedith]

Okay, so if you are town, now what? You have told scum that you have the full 100.
Great potential kill, as scum will want to target people with money rather than not.

Regardless, it's anti town.

[Vedith]

What are you talking about? Scum will want to kill townies who won the bid(s) ASAP.

Before I read on, powers are lost if not used. Killing them won't stop them using the power.
Unless you mean that if they do not want the tracker result, they will want to kill them to prevent results? Even then, it's more beneficial to kill a known player with 100 lucky bucks.

[Vedith]

People were confirming their bids before we end day, so that's what I did. Are you actually going somewhere with this? Have you bid yet?

I'm not discussing my bids.

[Vedith]

Okay, let me explain again.
Step 1 - You bid
Step 2 - If you win you are given a power
Step 3 - You use the power or you lose the power
Step 4 - You get your result
Step 5 - You are now Vanilla Town again

Now, scum won't know who paid for the only threatening role on offer (tracker). They can take a chance (1/6 on killing the tracker if we get scum, or a 1/5 if we mis lynch) or they can kill someone who hasn't spent any more.

In theory site, would you want people to have money with roles like Vig having a chance of coming up?

[Vedith]

So because it never came last game means it won't this game?
The starting roles are different this game and not to mention that we now have 4 rather than 3.

[Vedith]

You're assuming that something which didn't happen in the last run of this setup will happen in this run, which is never solid foundation for an argument.

Not to mention that a vig in a micro which only appears when there are 7 or less living players maximum and is potentially attainable by scum is so hideously unbalanced it's not even funny

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No, I'm assuming that there will be more powerful roles than today, for both town and scum.
With the bolded part, I'm not too sure if you were aware of the game when signing up, or even aware of the game now.
It's called Auction Mafia. Town have as good chance (Actually a lot better) than scum to get these kind of powers. Even if not a vig role, there are still strong powers which will most likely show up.

The only roles I would rule out as a possibility are roles like IC.

[Vedith]

Yeah I'm set.

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You both make good points. But vedith, your argument would mean that ric was dumb town, not scum. Why would scum say they aren't bidding? I agree it's not his for town to say it, but why would scum?

There's a valid reason to my comment. I'd prefer to discuss this in day 2 though (keeping in mind I'm alive). If he isn't lynched today my comment could easily change the out come of tonight.
If we lynch Pept and he is scum, that will clear Ric for me though.

[Vedith]

Well this game coulda gone better. Never let me play in 7 games at the same tome ever again.

Scum or town?

[Vedith]

Possibly.

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Yeah that's why I was asking. But I guess he's just gone from the game lol.

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At least that gives us at least 3 highly town like.
4 with Lane since I think he's town anyway.

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

[Vedith]

Well, I don't think Titus is scum, just because of things.
Lane? I wouldn't be happy to lynch today. However, He's not as strong read as you and All Alone (because of Day 1 votes).

Regardless if people say about bussing. Scum have no need to bus so hard day 1.

If not Flubb, then I would suspect Runner for the vote today.

[Vedith]

Just a theory I have. I can't really say much now but I wouldn't bee too happy voting her today.
I didn't see her entrance as not a Titus entrance, and I think that her vote is going to be wasted if it stays on you.

[Vedith]

Aside from being able to say "why would I do that as scum? ", how does everyone feel about my joining the wagon when I did?

I don't think it's the strongest position, but there was still a lot of potential to push on another wagon. You wouldn't have been able to push on me due to your stance to that point but I think that you could have easily pushed on All Alone, and I think that scum would have been more likely to do this.

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VCA is such crap day 2 if you ask me anyway.

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UNVOTE: Flubber

Well I'm happy with Flubber confirmed town in that case.

[Vedith]

So, does anyone here actually think that Runner is town?

[Vedith]

So if we lynch Titus and the game isn't over can we get Runner tomorrow?

VOTE: Titus

[Vedith]

L1 for Titus btw. (Sorry didn't say)

[Vedith]

Lane, please unvote yourself. Regardless of align it's anti town. It's also done by Mafia a lot more than town so that's a worry.

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So why are you voting your obvtown slot?

Me?
Because I had it down for a different reason. I was wrong with that.

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We could just lynch Lane first and win.

There was no one scummier on the dead Scum's wagon. A scum wagon without a cw means scumlikely bussed. His play sucked today and was opportunistic omgus.

Well actually... There was a CW when Lane voted. He could have gone for All Alone and tried from there.
I didn't see your other body vote at all on him.

[Vedith]

Oh, okay.

[Vedith]

Lane gets my vote tomorrow!

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Thanks for the game Lucky.
And good job town =D Thanks for the game.
Nice try there scum!

[Vedith]

You can gift the items you won.
I tried to win BP first night and gift you it Lane!