Micro 542: Five Nights at Freddy's Good End.

[Marge]

Vote: ZZZX

The name gives me nothing.
Are you someone who likes to hide who you are?

[Marge]

Zzzx vote on the wagon is null.
verdith why did you think it was important to discuss?
I'm confused by flow charts claim. What point does it serve?

[Marge]

I agreed with lane on post 60.
Anatole's unvote and reasoning looks like he is just making excuses. When I originally read Anatole's vote on ZZZX it read pretty fake. He was attacking ZZZX for 1 post when others where trying to be more serious he looked to be doing more joking around with his post. Add to that since his vote his scum read is now based on ZZZX attack on him, which is null. He also didn't explain why ZZZX lack of post was scummy. I think he is just holding onto that as an excuse.
My read of Anatole can be summed up in one simple picture.

Spoiler:

vote: Anatole

[Marge]

verdith why did you think it was important to discuss?

Because I wanted to get the game rolling... And it did, to an extent.

Then Flow comes in and blows us all away.

So, lets discuss... Is his claim bullshit or do people believe it?

I'm leaning on believing the claim.
Reading his post I see confusion. I would like to see more from him then just discussing the claim he made.

That's L1 btw.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Marge]

I'm leaning on believing the claim.
Reading his post I see confusion. I would like to see more from him then just discussing the claim he made.

Okay, so what motive (even more so as town) do you think he would have to claim so easily?
So why would scum not kill him tonight to gain a day?

Lets think here...

At this point I have to admit my real role, I am the Vent which is a passive role. As long as I am alive I pipe out hallucinatory gas but if I die the gas will build up and cause hallucinations. This means the votes will all be jumbled and vote counts will be blacked out. Vote me with caution.

[Marge]

Sorry I'm still learning the function around here.

Anyways I thought he was warning people to vote him because it could cause the town harm is how I read the post I quoted.
Afterwards it just reads as well I screwed up here. All it does is give scum a heads up.

[Marge]

Anyways I thought he was warning people to vote him because it could cause the town harm is how I read the post I quoted.
Afterwards it just reads as well I screwed up here. All it does is give scum a heads up.

Yeah, what I worry about is the fact he had very little pressure to say that.
I still think a jester role, scum would have no reason to make a claim and then expect us to believe that they survived the night.
However, I think Flow likes to joke a lot, so could also be that? (Claimed 4 man hydra in a game with me and then was replaced due to inactivity, I believe).

I'll keep that in mind. Maybe he is just good at lying.

[Marge]

The thing with Flow Alpha's claim is that it only hurts town by claiming it, because scum can NK him and scramble the votes / skip a night. If he survives a few days then he's probably scum lying, but until then his claim is probably true. Vedith is spot on in 104.

This wagon on Anatole is terrible, it is ridiculous to assume he actually wanted me lynched based off of one post. If my reaction gave him town vibes, then his unvote and move to ZZZX makes sense. If there's scum on the wagon I think it's either ZZZX or Marge.

VOTE: ZZZX

Anatole's vote on you didn't read serious but neither did his vote on ZZZX.
It looks like he is just trying hard.

was that a fucking hammer?

Yes. L-1 was mentioned.

I'm pretty neutral with that hammer since Anatole play read scummy to me. Not sure why you think he isn't

[Marge]

I never said he isn't scum, I just think 20 posts from him isn't enough to have a strong read and that hammering 5 pages into the game is ridiculous.

You were calling players scummy for voting him.


I get that it's page 5 but his back and forth with verdith I just saw someone not trying to get reads and came off as defensive when lane brought up his post and reasoning.

It's flow new here or something? Or just pulling an ika...

Well my votes on flow tomorrow either way

Why?

[Marge]

@marge. Quick hammer no intent... Obvi

That makes sense if Anatole flips town but not if he flips scum

[Marge]

Guilty lion can you tell me why you named 2 people as suspect on the Anatole wagon?

[Marge]

Scum read on ZZX.

[Marge]

Well I am townreading Lane at the time, I liked his aggressive lines of questioning and 51 struck me as a particularly insightful pro-town point. Vedith I thought was likely town due to 71 and his subsequent back and forth with Anatole, as well as his callout of L-1. So since I had two townleans on the wagon, I was looking at the other two.

ZZZX's vote was basically an OMGUS, not really strongly indicative of alignment, I have basically a nullread there. So he could still be scum.

Your vote came along with this reasoning:

Anatole's unvote and reasoning looks like he is just making excuses. When I originally read Anatole's vote on ZZZX it read pretty fake. He was

attacking

ZZZX for 1 post when others where trying to be more serious he looked to be doing more joking around with his post. Add to that since his vote his scum read is now based on ZZZX attack on him, which is null. He also didn't explain why ZZZX lack of post was scummy. I think he is just holding onto that as an excuse.

Which is pretty reachy. The vote on ZZZX didn't seem fake to me at all, it's obvious Anatole was satisfied with my response to pressure and wanted to look at someone who was on my wagon. Next, "attacking" is way too strong of a word for Anatole's post. This whole paragraph is extremely uncharitable and you weren't very cautious at putting Anatole to L-1, both of which make my scumdar start to beep a little bit. I voted ZZZX because I thought I could get more out of pushing on him at the time, considering Anatole had also voted him.

Keep in mind though all of these reads are rather weak because we barely had time to discuss anything yesterday.

Well I saw Anatole's push on you and then sudden vote on ZZZX because low posting as reachy.
That said I think ZZZX staying low and saying nothing else is suspect. The hammer could be scum or town so I'm going to wait on flow.
I agree with your town read on Lane there.

[Marge]

Flow Alpha
lane0168
Davsto
GuiltyLion
ZZZX
Shiro

Just wanted this in my iso because I see more players then others and forget about those not around. Should be 2 scum with the amount of players I think.
So with what I see I'm looking more toward ZZZX and Shiro but the claim by Flow makes no sense given the amount of players in the game. It would almost be an auto win for scum I would think.

I'm pondering this for a bit.

[Marge]

^Shiro is definitely town

also happy birthday Lane!

How is that town?

[Marge]

also page 6 readlists are bullshit

Vote: zzzx

[Marge]

Man this game is really slow.

Marge why vote zzz over his thoughs on page 6 read lists ?

It's not hard to have reads with a player lynched and 6 pages in.
Do you believe he really has no reads at all?

[Marge]

Man this game is really slow.

Marge why vote zzz over his thoughs on page 6 read lists ?

It's not hard to have reads with a player lynched and 6 pages in.
Do you believe he really has no reads at all?

Yea I mean I dont have anything either tbh

I can't see how that is not possible.

I think your lying tbh.

[Marge]

Lane: Do you think there is 2 or 3 scum in this game?

I just find it odd 2 players say they have no scum reads and are saying nothing about flow

[Marge]

I'd like to see more from flow in regards to reads or thoughts on the game.

[Marge]

Flow: what are your thoughts on the game/players?

[Marge]

I almost want to vote flow because he has said nothing else this game.

[Marge]

Except to discuss his role.

[Marge]

While I don't disagree with dav's thought I'm not ready to out guess the mod.
I agree with lane about shiro' reaction considering others voted flow and he said nothing then about the votes.

[Marge]

Don't like the push on Shiro. Post didn't look fake to me at all.

I still think it's more likely Flow is a jester than either scum or beloved princess, but I do agree with the idea that if Flow is what he says he is, then town must have some kind of powerful counter to help compensate for losing a "night" (day in most games) entirely. I'd really rather push on other people for now, even if he is scum then he has a partner.

It is confusing why he didn't die though, if he's not scum then maybe scum figured he'd be an easy lynch?

Scumpool for me (ignoring the Flow nebula of confusion) is {Davsto, Marge, ZZZX}. Davsto/Marge seemed fine to throw shade on Shiro without asking for followup or moving their votes to a less convenient target than Flow.

Flow

- so when you die does anything happen to the vote counts?

I agree with lane about shiro' reaction considering others voted flow and he said nothing then about the votes.

Which votes in which posts? This feels like a reach/misrep.

VOTE: Marge

Dav and lanes vote at the start of the day was on flow.
Now explain how it's a stretch at all.

[Marge]

If you think shiro' comment was sincere, guilty lion, why did he get only outraged on my comment and not the votes placed on flow prior to my comment?

[Marge]

If you think shiro' comment was sincere, guilty lion, why did he get only outraged on my comment and not the votes placed on flow prior to my comment?

My thinking was that Flow only doubled down on his claim after Lane pressed him about it more. Lane had already unvoted Flow and Davsto hadn't posted yet since. So the two "votes" were really just Davsto's leftover vote from when Flow tried to justify his hammer. You were the first one to say you still wanted to lynch Flow, after he reiterated his initial claim from page 1.

You're acting like Shiro is nitpicking at you, but there's no reason Shiro should have been focusing on those other two votes beforehand because they came under an entirely different context, and one of them was already retracted. Your reaction feels both defensive and like it's reaching to assign scum-motivation to Shiro.

Not sure if you missed it or what but flow already claimed day 1 to be a beloved princess

[Marge]

Oh wait no you seem to think shiro missed the claim or something?
It's not like the guy is going to claim something different from the "mistake" he made

[Marge]

On a side note maybe it's me but I mentioned the votes from others onto flow and guilty lion has this sudden theory that should clear shiro who has not even defended himself

[Marge]

Haha I totally missed page 9.
Someone not reading the thread reads town to guilty lion apparently.
But the reaction from shiro was fake still because again others voted for flow, he acknowledged those votes on flow but doesn't question those voting flow.
You expect me to believe a player reacted to almost wanting to vote vs actual votes?
That's crazy or scummy thinking lion

[Marge]

Not sure if you missed it or what but flow already claimed day 1 to be a beloved princess

people lie on D1 all the time, and then Shiro claimed to have missed it.

But the reaction from shiro was fake still because again others voted for flow, he acknowledged those votes on flow but doesn't question those voting flow.

I already told you, those votes were pre-Flow doubling down on the claim, and one of them was already unvoted. You're misrepping pretty hard here, Shiro never acknowledged the votes on Flow.

Happier with my vote by the second.

Yes he did.

I dun see flow as scum, too much of a lynchbait. Unless this is some strange draw all the attention plan to make us thing he wouldn't do it as scum I would think he is town. Dun thik he is a good vote today.

He knew there was votes on the guy obviously.

[Marge]

That still again doesn't go oh wait the guy is claiming princess why did you people vote them vs why you want to vote the claimed princess.

You sure are hard defending shiro here.
Why?

[Marge]

Vote: lion

The wking is just too much. I can't see town thinking there is anything wrong with what's been pointed out.
Add that to that the theory me made up, calling players scummy for what is clearly an overreaction to a comment and misreprensting mutiple times things saying it didn't happen, almost like he should be believed instead of looking for himself.

[Marge]

Because I think your half-push on him was scummy.

Well I think your making a case up to save your scum buddy there.

[Marge]

Just showing a bit what I'm referring to.

Don't like the push on Shiro. Post didn't look fake to me at all.

I still think it's more likely Flow is a jester than either scum or beloved princess, but I do agree with the idea that if Flow is what he says he is, then town must have some kind of powerful counter to help compensate for losing a "night" (day in most games) entirely. I'd really rather push on other people for now, even if he is scum then he has a partner.

It is confusing why he didn't die though, if he's not scum then maybe scum figured he'd be an easy lynch?

Scumpool for me (ignoring the Flow nebula of confusion) is {Davsto, Marge, ZZZX}. Davsto/Marge seemed fine to throw shade on Shiro without asking for followup or moving their votes to a less convenient target than Flow.

Flow

- so when you die does anything happen to the vote counts?

I agree with lane about shiro' reaction considering others voted flow and he said nothing then about the votes.

Which votes in which posts? This feels like a reach/misrep.

VOTE: Marge

First vote he says I'm stretching for a scum read on something that happened in the game.

If you think shiro' comment was sincere, guilty lion, why did he get only outraged on my comment and not the votes placed on flow prior to my comment?

My thinking was that Flow only doubled down on his claim after Lane pressed him about it more. Lane had already unvoted Flow and Davsto hadn't posted yet since. So the two "votes" were really just Davsto's leftover vote from when Flow tried to justify his hammer. You were the first one to say you still wanted to lynch Flow, after he reiterated his initial claim from page 1.

You're acting like Shiro is nitpicking at you, but there's no reason Shiro should have been focusing on those other two votes beforehand because they came under an entirely different context, and one of them was already retracted. Your reaction feels both defensive and like it's reaching to assign scum-motivation to Shiro.

Then he has this made up theory before shiro says anything.

Not sure if you missed it or what but flow already claimed day 1 to be a beloved princess

people lie on D1 all the time, and then Shiro claimed to have missed it.

But the reaction from shiro was fake still because again others voted for flow, he acknowledged those votes on flow but doesn't question those voting flow.

I already told you, those votes were pre-Flow doubling down on the claim, and one of them was already unvoted. You're misrepping pretty hard here, Shiro never acknowledged the votes on Flow.

Happier with my vote by the second.

Again making another remark that is untrue to defend shiro.

All in all this is how I see lion:

[Marge]

You can't accuse me of WKing and then also being on a scumteam with Shiro. And I'm pointing out that it was scummy of you to casually suggest Shiro is scum for weak reasons without interacting with Shiro or moving your vote. THAT'S what's scummy.

I

think

.
It's one or the other in my view.

[Marge]

Marge

remember when you posted a meme about Anatole? How'd that push turn out for you?

And you keep ignoring the key point - there was ONE vote on Flow at the time Shiro posted, and it was from Davsto pre-Flow-claiming-D2. That's entirely different than you saying you want to vote Flow

after

Flow doubled down on his claim.

To say Shiro is "ignoring votes" on Flow is a misrep. That's what's scummy. The reason your reaction is different than Lane's is because Lane immediately asks Shiro about this inconsistency and voted her. That's a town reaction. You, on the other hand, just sheep Lane in saying it was scummy, but don't bother to vote or add any of your own opinions. That's what scum does.

Lane

, yes, I agree Shiro either missed or didn't comment on those claims. But think about it on a deeper level - do you think scum!Shiro would really choose not to comment on it the first time, and then decide to only push on it after Marge makes a comment after the 4th claim? It'd be blatantly obvious that their push isn't consistent with how players were treating the claim beforehand. Shiro is getting called out on it. How does that benefit scum!Shiro?

You guys just take something that someone does that you don't understand and assume it must be coming from scum. That's a poor way to scumhunt and will lead to townies getting lynched.

I explained further.
Just because you ignore post blanetly, as I already have shown, doesn't mean they do not exist.

[Marge]

also it's convenient now that I can be scum in Marge's POV regardless of what Marge thinks of Shiro's alignment.

I'd be more surprised if anyone was town reading you as you just bypassed my whole case into the only thing you can fight against.
But that is what scum does.

[Marge]

Marge

remember when you posted a meme about Anatole? How'd that push turn out for you?

And you keep ignoring the key point - there was ONE vote on Flow at the time Shiro posted, and it was from Davsto pre-Flow-claiming-D2. That's entirely different than you saying you want to vote Flow

after

Flow doubled down on his claim.

To say Shiro is "ignoring votes" on Flow is a misrep. That's what's scummy. The reason your reaction is different than Lane's is because Lane immediately asks Shiro about this inconsistency and voted her. That's a town reaction. You, on the other hand, just sheep Lane in saying it was scummy, but don't bother to vote or add any of your own opinions. That's what scum does.

Lane

, yes, I agree Shiro either missed or didn't comment on those claims. But think about it on a deeper level - do you think scum!Shiro would really choose not to comment on it the first time, and then decide to only push on it after Marge makes a comment after the 4th claim? It'd be blatantly obvious that their push isn't consistent with how players were treating the claim beforehand. Shiro is getting called out on it. How does that benefit scum!Shiro?

You guys just take something that someone does that you don't understand and assume it must be coming from scum. That's a poor way to scumhunt and will lead to townies getting lynched.

Fun facts of the Mafia scum search engine.
town lion talking about sheeping in another game
So him saying I'm sheeping a read and not explaining is a lie and him finding sheeping scummy in general is a lie.

[Marge]

Marge how is that post in any way relevant to this conversation? It's not that you sheeped lane, it's that you encouraged his idea that Shiro was scummy without ever voting or interacting with Shiro yourself.

And look! I scumread Kop for the exact same thing in the

very post that you linked to

!

I don't really see consistent behavior here. Kop has voted for Not_Mafia, Vedith,

encouraged a Fox lynch without ever voting it

, then back to Not_Mafia, now onto ASP.

You realize by the time I posted he shiro already posted his comments.
I again already stated my oppinion
Nothing is going to change those 2 facts in this game.

Marge: do you think Shiro is scum? Yes or no answer.

Tell you what.
I asked you about a town read on shiro you never responded to.
When you feel the need to respond to my question I asked many pages ago.
I'll completely responses to your misleading question.

[Marge]

You can't accuse me of WKing and then also being on a scumteam with Shiro. And I'm pointing out that it was scummy of you to casually suggest Shiro is scum for weak reasons without interacting with Shiro or moving your vote. THAT'S what's scummy.

While scum lion thinks about why shiro is a town read I'm going to go over this point.
Earily in day 2 I did interact with shiro and called him a liar about having no reads.

[Marge]

Seems like a whole lot of town on town bs that I'm largely skipping over.

Fuck flow. Seriously. Fuck him in his stupid face

I'm not a fan of his play but lions points and scum reasoning is looking very much made up.

[Marge]

so Marge you think Shiro is scum and that I am the partner. Why would I defend my partner so obviously? That's literally terrible scum play.

My case on Marge: calling other people scummy without poking at them or voting them is a scummy thing to do because it creates a general narrative that a person is scum without you having to be tied to that narrative. Marge isn't trying to solve the game, she's just pushing people as scum for doing things she doesn't like. Her point that Shiro is scum because 'why call me out when there were vote

S

on Flow' is both a misrep and defensive.

Marge's case on me: I defended someone I'm townreading that she thinks is scum, therefore I am the scumbuddy.

It's obvious that my point here is far better.

[quote="In post 248

Tell you what.
I asked you about a town read on shiro you never responded to.
When you feel the need to respond to my question I asked many pages ago.
I'll completely responses to your misleading question.[/quote]


@lane: I've seen lion blantantly ignore the counter points I've made and I can't see any town motivation for that.
It's not anger, or some attitude issue. He just repeated his issue again all while ignoring that I interacted with shiro and stated views before anyone else.
I've seen scum do it more often then town.

[Marge]

I mean I'd love is some else aske lion why he is town reading shiro so hard. Maybe then he might be forced to finally respond since I think it's fake.
This is regardless to my feelings about shiro.

[Marge]

@ZZZX

- please do not hammer Flow unless Marge or Flow takes a vote off of me. I have a mechanic with my role that comes into play if I enter "day" phase with more than one vote on me and I'd rather avoid that.

@Marge, @Flow, if we're not gonna lynch me then it helps town if one of you takes a vote off of me.

1) I think your town read on shiro is fake, which I said. You can tell me you can't explain it, I say it doesn't exsist.
2) if your claim is true what did you day 1

[Marge]

Yeah it kind of hurts town if I have to explain which is why I avoided bringing it up for the most part. It shouldn't really matter (especially after today), just know that it hurts town if I have 2 or more votes when somebody else gets lynched.

I got super

lucky

D1 when flow was the quickhammer hah.

I'm more okay with lynching flow since he admitted he lied about the vote scrambling thing, but no one seems really opposed to it which is weird.

Anyways marge, whata ya think? Take your vote off for the greater good?

If he was telling the truth about some weak princess role then why no push on flow after his claim?

[Marge]

Marge, Flow is the lynch. Can you unvote now?

Vote: flow

[Marge]

I don't believe in a jester Ina micro

[Marge]

Your reason for scum reading lane is awful.
Not the how cute newb awful.
It's the I don't know how to make a case when I'm scum awful

[Marge]

oh look, I was right about Shiro being town. Maybe now you'll believe me about ZZZX being town too.

Scum definitely bussed Flow Alpha, the question is which bus was most likely to be scum. Davsto essentially guaranteed he'd be the lynch, which is preeettyyy likely to be town, but I wouldn't rule it out as a bus completely. Lane stuck on Flow most of the day too and remains my strongest townread. Marge didn't vote him initially and tried to make Shiro look scummy for ignoring Dav and Lane votes. She's still my top scumpick.

VOTE: Marge

Oh look the player that never explains why a player is town.
Never cc even day 1 after flow's claim and was scum reading zzx day 2

So what is your plan for tomorrow when I'm dead!
You going to claim your "ability"?
Or keep lying?

Vote: guilty lion

[Marge]

Let's not forget the classic scum killing the player they town read just to justify how "right" they were so everyone should listen crap.

It's been done and said many time before from far, far better player lion.

[Marge]

LOL I'm a cop, I'll just claim it now since it apparently wasn't obvious enough for you.

Mare you claiming you "checked me?"
Yes or no?

[Marge]

Investigated Shiro n1 because 55 was a super sketchy looking post.

Investigated ZZZX n2 because he's a lurksack and had no chance of dying last night.

I trust myself to get my scumreads lynched, so I investigate players that I'm null on or doubting my townread. I don't investigate my scumreads.

Look, if anyone doubts my claim, then you should deal with me in LYLO. Lynching a claimed cop before then is mathematically an incorrect play because it only widens your scumpool and guarantees ZZZX dies tonight. Voting a cop claim is hilariously anti-town.

Okay if that's true ill go with Davsto as final scum.
But don't expect me by it without a full claim or you explaining a lack of cc in regards to flow

[Marge]

Also the bad case and stretch or reasoning for your scum read lion.

Or how you think is a player is sketchy to you, the player isn't sketchy to others.

Just pointing out how flawed the logic is thus far

[Marge]

A Watcher

and

a Cop? I'm not sure I buy it.

Watcher?

[Marge]

Oh I missed shiro ability.
Never mind.

Dav, before I go into wifom craziness mode, can you tell me what your thoughts of the players in the game are?

[Marge]

Why are you null me dav?

Unvote

[Marge]

Dear god I got homie showing me some crazy video and I lost my train of thought.

I'm sharing it too.



On a complete related game, I was a bit paranoid about lion and thought he was using the claim for a scum win, especially when his response is that zzzx would be dead tomorrow rather then a cop.
That thinking made no sense.
Dav claims and backs down quickly to lion and is pretty vague when asked about his reads.

I need to clean my brain out and think for a bit

[Marge]

backs down quickly to lion

I'm not "backing down". I still think he's scum. I'd just like to avoid a quickhammer while I get my thoughts together on you.

I was voting him too, where is the quick hammer coming from?

Yoink

[Marge]

Wait what? Marge is farside? Nobody made me aware of this.

Anyways I'm torn between davsto and marge. Generally I think it's marge because of davstos hard core push of flow, so it pretty much seems to be game over... marge today. Should be davsto, me, and zzzx tomorrow, and in that case it's davsto. But I don't think it'd get to that point anyways

I maybe an alt but I'm not scum.
Don't know if you modded a game before but 3 investation roles in a micro is a hell fucking no.
I'm just trying to figure out if it's dav or lion.
You can lynch me if you want.
I'm just a vt anyways.

[Marge]

And why didn't guilty die? He's all talking about his power role before the lynch, why leave a power role alive? That bugs me a lot. Hadn't thought of that before.

But with flows role, and guilty having the stipulation of not being voted more than once, I'm inclined to believe him. If he made all of it up, the good for him cause he's fooled me.

going to go with first instinct and do marge. I'm not going to try to figure out between davsto and guilty unless marge flips town.

VOTE: marge

I wondered more why shiro died.
That makes no sense even for me to do.

Good luck figuring it out night 4.
Don't cry to me about should have, could have, would have after the game is over.

[Marge]

I'll probably be lynched so I'll discuss my issues.

Dav pushed flow early which is typical scum behavoir included with his disappearance when others where talking and vague reads.

Lion makes as much sense as a player who has no clue. I don't get the well I scum read shiro but since I know the truth others are scummy for thinking she is scum.
The points lion has made cases that are such a stretch I can't even imagine how lion is missing the big picture.
Plus the late claim of flow.


It's hard to trust either player and I sure don't want to be here if wrong for some scummy thing I expect will happen regardless which is scum,

Before my lynch happens let me do the one town thing here.

mod: it has been way too many days since zzzx responded in this game. I'm demanding you replace him at this point

[Marge]

marge why do you keep ignoring the fact that:

You said Shiro was scummy for ignoring votes on Flow.
When Shiro commented there was only one vote on Flow, and it was from before Flow reaffirmed the claim again.
You never voted Shiro or interacted with Shiro yourself.

Like I don't know how I can make that more clear.

That said, I still think Davsto's push on me today was even scummier so keeping my vote here for a sec. Really need ZZZX slot to contribute.

There was still a fucking vote on flow!

Jesus.

[Marge]

Or rather marge agreed with me.

Right, this is what I'm wary of. Davsto and Marge both nudging people in the direction of scum!Shiro without doing any work to develop their own read on Shiro, or even put a vote down that we'll be able to track later.

I do like Davsto's conviction about lynching Flow, and I think something about his playstyle makes me just tend to scumread him. I wish he'd look more at the other players but he's probably last on my suspect list for now, would much rather push Marge or ZZZX today.

You were sure as shit the player not pushing flow as scum.
Anyone but flow.

Excuse me for finding that scummy.

[Marge]

And for the 4th time I interacted with shiro.
Either start reading post or stop repeating yourself about things that didn't happen.

[Marge]

mod: it has been way too many days since zzzx responded in this game. I'm demanding you replace him at this point

Your concerns have been noted. He was within activity requirements when the last phase ended so he was not prodded. If he does not contribute within the first 48 hours of this phase, he will prodded as the rules state. No action to be taken at this time.

I'm going to lurk for 2 days then and just say I disagree since zzzx is the equivalent of prod dodging posting the majority of the game.

Also before I go away for 2 days I slept on it. Dreamed of snaking lion a few times, laughed and the thought back I'm about 75% thinking Davsto is the last remaining scum and lion is 25%

I also considered just saying lynch me because if I'm wrong about Davsto, I don't want to be in lylo with lion being scum and arguing the same thing over and over till I'm ready to take a hammer to my phone.

[Marge]

Guilty said he checked his null reads.

I'm thinking I'm going to hate myself after this game.

Just going to explain some of my thought processes.

Lions comments about at the start after shiro' death was scummy. Read like wanting credit and shiro' death was odd too.
Dav claimed to check shiro too as a role cop. That too would explain why shiro was dead since he was a PR.

I had a theory that lion scum will just fake a guilty for a scum win but dav's recent reads and posting has me leaning him as more likely scum.
It's very non-commital. Nothing indepth, no stepping on toes, backing down when pushed and then lurking when a real interaction was going on.

Vote: Davsto

[Marge]

Meh... maybe I will. Idfk. No. I won't. Why claim role name cop? Its so stupid.

Marge. What's your name? And role?

Mike Schmidt - vt

Meh... maybe I will. Idfk. No. I won't. Why claim role name cop? Its so stupid.

Marge. What's your name? And role?

Can you not claim your name so I can prove my claim by actually being able to say someone's role name?

[Marge]

*sigh*

I'm Phone Guy. Each Day I can inspect one person and I get their flavour name. Last I inspected Guilty and thus I can support that The Puppet is his actual role name. Sadly, due to him deciding to claim early, I can no longer prove it.

(I inspected Shiro first, by the way.)

Reason I doubt Guilty:

Whilst not impossible, Watcher+Cop+Flavour Name Cop seems an odd combination. Admittedly, Flavour Name Cop has little to no power so it's not like it's ridiculous, but it's still slightly odd in my eyes.
Secondly, The Puppet+Balloon Boy makes a surprising amount of sense as a scumteam, considering they were both introduced in FNaF2. I have been aware of this from daystart hence my push.
Thirdly, his attitude to Flow yesterday was largely to focus on other things and try to take attention away from the push ("X what are your reads outside of Flow", his hard Marge push, etc) which I find meh.

Weird question.
How is a phone guy a flavor cop?
That seems weird to me

[Marge]

Lion: was there an explaination why you had no ability if you had 2 votes on you?

[Marge]

I'm just going with marge. I can't believe main character, the guy you play with, is town aligned.

VOTE: marge

Zzzx can hammer davsto if he feels like it

Why?

Bubble was scum.

[Marge]

Unvote

:

I'm not lane going by with this back and forth anymore.

Why is the main character not town?
Who is your character?
Why did you think dav made good points?
What is with the sudden scum read on me?

[Marge]

I'm starting to feel lame is setting up for a scum win but dav's post.

Yuck.

Glad I'm not going to be there.
Just vote me lion. I'm not scum but I'm not confident in my reads to push either dav or lane in this case.

[Marge]

Marge, don't leave. How am I setting up for that? I'm legitimately confused and totally undecided. I'm not setting up for anything though. Best play for scum lane would be to sit back and let everyone decide between you 3 since I haven't gotten any pressure. What I'm doing is simply spilling my brain thoughts out.

Your scum read on me was pretty out of the blue for calling the argument against me and lion t v t
Your whole case is Poe and character claim.
That's pretty lazy for you.
You still have a suspicion on da but your not pushing him.
So it just reads to me once I'm mislynched you could push dav as scum without much else done.

[Marge]

See it's post like on this page from lane that just seems like scum trying to push a mislynch.
Every lynch should matter.

I need to see something before I lose it

[Marge]

If I wanted to push a mislynch, Davsto would've been hammered long ago

There is your out tomorrow.

[Marge]

Unless there is 2 scum left.
Not sure if that could be balanced though

[Marge]

I mean dav keeps just posting while saying nothing and lane doesn't care to push him and believes 3 investigative roles inthe game.....
None of that makes sense.
Then he does flavor gaming while being indifferent to shiro's death with 2 players claiming they checked him and neither could be scum at all even though shiro was far from a town read for him.

I can't get that thought process

[Marge]

Lion: what do you think about these last 2 pages?
Am I crazy?

[Marge]

I get the feeling you're trying to insinuate I'm scum, while also saying there's no way there's 3 investigative roles...

Your behavoir this game day makes no sense.
I'm trying to figure out why.
Nice dodge there though.

[Marge]

I get the feeling you're trying to insinuate I'm scum, while also saying there's no way there's 3 investigative roles...

Your behavoir this game day makes no sense.
I'm trying to figure out why.
Nice dodge there though.

What doesn't make sense? Believing the claims? If guilty cleared zzzx and I believe the claims, that leaves you.

@davsto, zzzx and marge don't believe the claims. What other possibility are you inclined to believe? Flow had a power role, would that be enough to make the claims plausible or would there be something else with the last scum? That's all I'm trying to figure out.

Why do you believe there are 3 investigative roles in a 9 player game lane?
Why was shiro killed?

[Marge]

+mafia role blocker... how is it impossible there's a watcher, restricted cop, and role name cop?

Its not

Marge is scum

I'm just going to say in regards to this post that one RB doesn't stop 3 PR's and I struggle to believe lane could believe that as well.

[Marge]

Back to davsto for a minute.

I don't like the slow claim from him.
From the I can't see cop/watcher role
To so claimining his role.
And I have yet to see anything from any part of this game where he thought lion was scum at all to warrant a check on him.

A Watcher

and

a Cop? I'm not sure I buy it.

there will be a conftown player in LYLO unless you lynch me today.

If you are town and telling the truth (still not buying it) then there is both a Town Cop and a Mafia Roleblocker. Probability states that the Roleblocker is to avoid Follow the Cop and thus there is a Doctor. So, there could still be a conftown player in LYLO if we lynch you today. Fun fact there, for you.

*sigh*

I'm Phone Guy. Each Day I can inspect one person and I get their flavour name. Last I inspected Guilty and thus I can support that The Puppet is his actual role name. Sadly, due to him deciding to claim early, I can no longer prove it.

(I inspected Shiro first, by the way.)

Reason I doubt Guilty:

Whilst not impossible, Watcher+Cop+Flavour Name Cop seems an odd combination. Admittedly, Flavour Name Cop has little to no power so it's not like it's ridiculous, but it's still slightly odd in my eyes.
Secondly, The Puppet+Balloon Boy makes a surprising amount of sense as a scumteam, considering they were both introduced in FNaF2. I have been aware of this from daystart hence my push.
Thirdly, his attitude to Flow yesterday was largely to focus on other things and try to take attention away from the push ("X what are your reads outside of Flow", his hard Marge push, etc) which I find meh.

[Marge]

My kingdom for zzzx to be more involved here.

I'll probably regrete this.

Vote: dav

[Marge]

Gg all.
At least I was right about lane but for the wrong reason.
Dav not doing a reason for his reads was a dead give away as far as scum go.
Sorry about my tunnel on you lion.
I just felt like you were not reading what I was posting on purpose.