Micro 549: Everything Is A Lie 2 (Game Over)

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Sorry guys I just woke up, I'm catching up soon.

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Vonflare: Do you control both Counsel votes or just one?

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Oh wait I just realised, Council is votable? WHAT???????????????????

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I wonder what happens when The Counsel is lynched. Maybe something very unpredictable, but probably the person controlling the counsel is lynched.

In the meantime,

VOTE: wguerts

Just testing something. Wanna check, if Counsel is votable, maybe the Mod is too?

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Also if vonflare controls one Counsel, I think Shos is the other, as that was who Counsel was voting for at the start.

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Heck, let's test if this works:

Dayvig: wgeurts

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Since I have dayvigged wgeurts I will changey vote to

VOTE: Counsel

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OK, I caught up, and some stuff I want to note:
1. In every VC wgeurts mentions something about Dongempire. Ofc this may be a lie; but I think it hints at Dong's role. He probably has a day ability, but is also a Loudmouth (everyone knows what he's doing).

2.

Day 1 Begins!

lilith2013 is an Innocent-Child, aligned with the

Town

.

This is confirmed scum in this game. Furthermore, I think Lilith is not a Jester as the "Innocent" child in the other game was one, and I doubt wgeurts will reuse it this game.

3.

FIRST!!!
pedit:

Last game the 'IC' was a jester but I doubt it's the same trick here. So it looks like we got some wine already

VOTE: shos, can't trust him after doublewinning the first game.

gonna triple-win this time

This implies that shos has the ability to triple win this game. However, there is a possibility that he is a Jester, so I don't think we should lynch him today. I suggest Mafia/Werewolf/SK cooperate with town and kill him the next night so he can't win.

Keeping all thus in mind,

VOTE: Lilith

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3.

FIRST!!!
pedit:

Last game the 'IC' was a jester but I doubt it's the same trick here. So it looks like we got some wine already

VOTE: shos, can't trust him after doublewinning the first game.

gonna triple-win this time

This implies that shos has the ability to triple win this game.

Hence, I think he is some self-aligned role.

However, there is a possibility that he is a Jester, so I don't think we should lynch him today. I suggest Mafia/Werewolf/SK cooperate with town and kill him the next night so he can't win.

Keeping all thus in mind,

VOTE: Lilith

Added some stuff I missed

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Also, quote this if you have a Post Restriction.

(I got this idea from a game I saw long ago)

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Innocent Mafia would definitely be happy to be an IC.

Well look at EiaL 1. There were 3 "confirmed town", one IC and 2 Masons. However, ALL of them were actually scum. I don't think wgeurts is going to put in any legit "confirmed" townies in this game either. He is going to lie.

In fact, I think that if there exists a Town Mason, he should claim his partner. Quite sure any masonry contains at least 1, if not 2, scum.

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When I said "scum" I meant non-town.

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@shos I read all

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OK I started reading through the first part of the game more seriously, I don't see anything serious at all, just people explaining game mechanics they know and fooling around, so I guess we're still in RVS. I should also avoid over reliance on gaming the setup.

VOTE: Postie
For asking "How do we scumhunt in this game". Only mechanics are affected, but conversation in Day phase is not, unless someone has a heave Post Restriction.

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VC 1.05

Postie (3):

lilith2013, Vonflare, BulletNLynchProof

Shos (1):

GuiltyLion

The Counsel (1):

Postie

vonflare (1):

The Counsel

Dongempire (1):

The Counsel

lilith2013 (1):

Dongempire

The Counsel (1):

Shos

Not Voting:

Davsto, Flubbernugget, Shiro

With 11 votes, 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-11-16 15:37:59)

Notes:

Everyone has confirmed!

The poor man was lost
Oh, how could the mod do this
That poor Dongempire

(!)

Postie and Shows are voting for two separate Counsels?

How does Wgeurts know which Counsel they are voting for?

Let's try
VOTE: The Counsel
And see who I vote.

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I just realised in #153 I meant Shos, not Shows.

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For yohr reaction, you now feel like trembling scum

Why SK out of all possible scum factions?

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@mod VoteCount please

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bulletN, explain your vote on the counsel

I'm just testing the mechanics of the game, as I noticed that Postie and Shos were voting different counsels at the previous VC.

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BTW what does "fluff" mean in Mafia?

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This one is short, released with a quiver;
shos' theory is like swimming in a French river.

Any reason to post all your thoughts in the form of a riddle? Not clear for town. Or is it a Post Restriction?

Does Davsto normally post like this?

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Then why aren't ALL his posts in this weird manner? (Look at his first few posts)

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From the first paragraph, I think he is trying to say that he has a post restriction, so I think second paragraph is PR, but I have no idea how to get either.

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No posts at all for almost a whole day is concerning. I'm trying to post a full reads list soon by tomorrow (but hopefully soon) (it's night for me now).

In the meantime, I would like to say now that I am a

Compulsive Hammerer

. This means that I have to compulsively hammer any wagon at L-1. If you think about it, this effectively makes me Voteless, as I will have to be on any lynch wagon. It does, however, mean that the lynch threshold is reduced by one (so it's 5 votes), so be careful.

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This also explains why I was fooling around with my vote at the start of the game: it has no meaning.

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What a coincidence that not too long ago you thought of a very similar role yourself.

Also, why wouldn't this just be a passive ability - i.e. Hammerer?

VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

So you think that I am fakeclaiming. Surely scum-me would claim a more conventional role, or at least something that doesn't look like a fakeclaim? Anyway, this is my true role, so there is nothing I can do if you don't believe me.

And is there any reason you claimed this now rather than at the start of the day?

I thought that such large wagons, especially those to L-1, wouldn't form that early in the game. So I decided that I could leave off claiming this role for then, but eventually decided claiming now. Also this allows me to get reaction tests from other people so see how they respond to my voting patterns, before I revealed that I was really voteless.

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Sorry I have been busy today, so I didn't manage to get reads.

I'll UNVOTE: in the meantime. Just remember the lynch threshold is 5 and not 6 votes.

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Just because I got a role that coincidentally is very similar to a role I posted makes people think I'm fakeclaiming?

Also sorry I've been busy today, hopefully I can finish my reads list tomorrow.

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Why so much disbelief that I am a compulsive hammerer? OK, I will tell you now it is only part of my role, my full role has other parts. But I am not interested in telling you what they are now.

Oh, and here is my reads list (Not in exact order, but in general from town to scum)

Shos is likely town. I don't think scum will make a gambit to "trap" vonflare while maintaining a bad iso.

Dong is likely town too, not expecting a double-bluff from wgeurts.

Davsto lean town. People who get Post Restrictions are usually one of 1) Smart town handicapped by scum 2) Town restricted by town for lolz or 3) Scum faking a PR. I like most of his content. Of course, jumping on my wagon is incorrect and scummy, but I think he is more misled by Postie than opportunistic scum.

Vonflare

Postie is likely scum. Apart from posting fluff, a lot of posts are scummy. #53 I would say is a scumslip, as she said "What if we are all scum". Town won't say this, as they know its wrong and won't lie about it. In #69 she claims she doesn't know how to scumhunt, and yet later she claims that I'm scum, and even pushes it, which shows self contradiction. Furthermore, she was townreading me at first, then switches me to a scumread after I claimed Compulsive Hammerer, saying it is a likely fakeclaim from me as I have posted a similar role, and even pushes on it. However, not only is this accusation against me false, it is also a weak argument against me, since not only is it a possible role, a scum would have chosen something better to fakeclaim. In fact, this argument is not strong, even almost a null point, so you can see it is scummy to push null points.

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Halfway through my reads list and accidentally pressed submit, will post the other half soon

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Guilty Lion null lean scum, liked what he has posted so far, but needs to post more. His vote on me is fair but incorrect.

Shiro null, needs to post more.

Flubber null slight lean scum, don't like his content so far, also needs to post more. Also he has been lurking without getting prodded?

Lilith null lean scum. Can't trust an IC claim from the Mod. Apart from fluffing, I also don't like how she thanks people for defending her. She has indeed posted some good content, but the IC bothers me. Can't completely rely on the IC though to determine alignment.

Vonflare null lean scum. Don't like how he's been fluffing the entire game. I think his reaction to Shos gambit is OK, but I don't really read off it.

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So after these,

VOTE: Postie

I know my vote is worthless, but I still think its better to vote my strongest scumread in case of other vote related roles.

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Actually, I'm wondering if

none of the scum factions have NK

. Last game, the werewolves didnt have NK, maybe it happened to all scum factions this time?

Or maybe 1-shot Universal Doc.

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Actually, I'm wondering if

none of the scum factions have NK

. Last game, the werewolves didnt have NK, maybe it happened to all scum factions this time?

Or maybe 1-shot Universal Doc.

Fixed tags

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@Dong do you have other people (that is not wgeurts) in your PT? (If you do don't say who)

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I am a one-shot Lynchproof townie. I was apparently a Death Miller on my first death. Thus I had no target, as I was never a Lyncher. As part of my role I had to choose to fakeclaim having a negative utility, then gaining that negative utility. I chose to be a Compulsive Hammerer, as I felt that lowering the lynch threshold is not terrible, and I didn't mind being voteless as I am not a good scumhunter. Unfortunately, I lost my night abilities,

but I am still a compulsive hammerer

, so be careful.



Notice how similar Shiro's flip is to the werewolf group in EiaL 1? Scum traitor mason. I think GuiltyLion is confirmed scum.

As GodFather normally resolves after cop sanity, Shos is either gambiting town or lying scum. I'm fine with this lynch if you don't want to lynch GuiltyLion.

VOTE: GulityLion

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Saying x is y because of the last game is probably the worst thing you could do rn

Why?

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@mod if the Lynch threshold was really 2 on the last day then Shos was the hammer

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And kudos to BNL for making the worst claim in history in a manner that looked like actual failed-scum fake claim.

When I was Lyncher or Jester?

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@Mod what would have happened if Lilith was night killed while I was a Lyncher?

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And,
/pre-in everything is a lie large

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@mod if the Lynch threshold was really 2 on the last day then Shos was the hammer

what does this mean?

There was a Dead Counsel vote

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Also quite surprised nobody realised Vonflare scumslipped at the massclaim. Prevaricator was the only repeat role from last game (and it was scum desperado too)

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@Mod what would have happened if Lilith was night killed while I was a Lyncher?

Bringing this up for wgeurts