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[Lucky2u]

Hmmm... reading the math of lucky choices discussion... one moment please.

[Lucky2u]

Vedith is being rude and actually debating something. Must be scum...

VOTE: Vedith

[Lucky2u]

Lucky, you scum?

Statistically, yes. I'm not going to omit this detail. If you look at every greatest idea game I've been a player, I've picked scum %100 of the time. That's not an exageration. Trying to change things up here so I picked a weak town combo, which was hard since I did get 1 mafia and 1 werewolf card.

[Lucky2u]

Hmmm... reading the math of lucky choices discussion... one moment please.

How long have you been here exactly to respond as soon as you're called on?

as soon as I am called upon? You won't believe me but that's a huge coincidence. Plus you have been talking about me for several pages, so... this is not JUST as I was called upon actually.

[Lucky2u]

Lucky are you scum? No response means yes.

Next game post

Hmmm... reading the math of lucky choices discussion... one moment please.

How is that not when you were called upon?

1. see my above post and actually read it.

2. I think ash ketchum over there is implying I showed up when first called upon by your 82, but you all have been talking about me since post 25 concerning this discussion of my discard.

[Lucky2u]

Explain the L-1 vote that came as soon as you've skimmed through the thread. There was 0 hesitation on it.

DON'T LURK ON ME NOW, LUCKY.

I'm here right now, but don't expect me to be sitting around hitting F5 waiting to talk to you. I have Fallout 4 to be exploring.

I voted my scum read. There is your explanation.

[Lucky2u]

Explain the L-1 vote that came as soon as you've skimmed through the thread. There was 0 hesitation on it.

DON'T LURK ON ME NOW, LUCKY.

I voted my scum read. There is your explanation.

Yeah, don't care about the F5'ing. I do expect you to be here for 5 minutes after your post rather than showing up 10 minutes after you've had time to think about it.

That doesn't explain the L-1 vote. Especially when you read the 2 pages in 3 minutes and probably spent 6 minutes total on the thread.

You can't say you don't care about my F5ing and then berate me for responding in 10 minutes rather than 5....

Yes it does. It was actually 1 page in 3 minutes. I was already through the Lucky math discussion when I posted that... you see I can't reference something BEFORE I've read about it. You mistake me for a clairvoyant.

[Lucky2u]

Compulsive Childkiller.

[Lucky2u]

Hey, look at that, everyone's posted now.

thanks mod.

i asked aphix and lucky because i know them and felt i might be able to get a read based on how they reacted to being asked that. i'm usually not around too much on the weekend. i had some trouble following the reads on vedith but had otherwise not really gotten out of RVS myself.

are you really confident enough to develop a read on me based on the "are you scum?" question?

[Lucky2u]

oh... I guess we're moving to the speed round then...

I'd say Vedith's. it ends that conversation right now and there is a chance he is scum.

[Lucky2u]

I do what I can red.

I like this version of ETL. It's going to be a fun day.

[Lucky2u]

I'm assuming that's intentionally troll...

[Lucky2u]

What logical process did you take to assume that there is a chance he is scum? Since everyone in this game has a chance of being scum.

are you playing this game based on math?

[Lucky2u]

Goddammit guys, you were supposed to see who he vigs before letting the cat out of the bag that it's possible he might not be town.

since it's out of the bag. do you think ETL is likely doing this as scum? Wouldn't it have been better for her to hold the shot and use it as a game closer or even wait until it's likely she'll get lynched as a pre-emptive strike so to speak? I've been thinking about the way she is doing this and it doesn't strike me as the scum way to do day vig. I am NOT conf towning her but I read it as town.

[Lucky2u]

well your question comes with the qualifing statement that everyone has a chance of being scum and you are asking what "logical" process I used. I used no logic whatsoever. It's Day 1, there is no flip, there is no night action results, there is ZERO logic to be had at the moment. Based on logic alone, the chances of each of you being scum are exactly the same. I chose him based on his tone and current attitude. In other words, gut.

[Lucky2u]

in my opinion, my alignment doesn't even matter in this game.

I did choose town, but like I said, I don't expect to make it very far.

I had two town cards and one mafia card. town investigator (cult or not cult) which I thought was lame, town weak jailer which I didn't like due to the high probability of large numbers of non town players, and I wanted to be a dayvig. it was the strongest role available in the cards I got.

This statement feels off to me. If you are town, why do you think scum would bother with you after you've blown your shot? You will likely still be alive tomorrow because as Town you are useless Day 2 and beyond and as scum you aren't going to shoot yourself. A second scum faction wouldn't bother killing you for same reason as if youre town. A vig is really the only reason you would die tonight.

[Lucky2u]

please. Shoot Suzanne. Lynch vedith or some variation on that.

I agree with this now. Shoot Suzanna and let's move on

[Lucky2u]

That was a Meh shot... I still think a Suzanne shot would have made more sense but what's done is done. Once I'm more awake and not at work I will make a good post stating my case against Suzanne right now. Preview of that post: I'm still a gut read to you suz? Really?

[Lucky2u]

I wanted to give a good wall post about why this makes sense but I feel like playing like old fashioned lucky here... And well

VOTE: Suzanne

[Lucky2u]

Happy turkey day everyone! Enjoy the night phase as a break.

[Lucky2u]

Lucky almost surely scum, and likely not same faction as Suzune.

Curious statement to make. Already saying that no matter the flip I'm scum. Tsk tsk.

[Lucky2u]

First time in an idea game? The only good investigator is bloodhound. Cop checks mafia Seer checks werewolf psychiatrist checks serial killer. Too many scum factions for it to be effective to have either.

[Lucky2u]

Btw, even though I know it doesn't clear me to have killed a psychotrooper, you can send my gifts to:

LUCKY HAMMERS LIKE A CHAMP!
awesomeville, FL 32777

Just make sure to add "attention his majesty the king of luck"

[Lucky2u]

ETL that post was clearly pure humour and even came with the disclaimer that I know it means nothing so how am I getting cred? Frankly your tunnel on me has been very ugly for awhile. If we're going to do this then let's do it.

VOTE: ETL

I don't need to wait for results to start discussion. You shouldn't either if your town.

[Lucky2u]

Compulsive Childkiller.

I claimed it day 1, remember?

[Lucky2u]

You thought I was claiming to be a town compulsive Childkiller?

Ordinarily I would object to being forced to claim my role, as I don't even have a vote on me. However since I am essentially vanilla and to speed this hunt along, my role card was werewolf mason. Which makes me a town mason. However there are no other masons in this game so I am nothing.

[Lucky2u]

Her reaction to my hammer is such a show. She's looking for low hanging fruit. Her day vig was a fumble, iirc she shot against the consensus, so why did she even ask us to "vote"?

[Lucky2u]

Claiming a one of a kind card as your alignment doesn't prove your alignment. I'm claiming compulsive child killer as my alignment card and there is only one of that card. By your logic I am town cleared too. The card you are claiming for alignment is something easily thrown away by scum or town players who know this setup (see my previous post on useless investigators) so you risked little by claiming it as your alignment card since if someone had it they probably would have tossed it.

[Lucky2u]

Claiming a one of a kind card as your alignment doesn't prove your alignment. I'm claiming compulsive child killer as my alignment card and there is only one of that card.

By your logic I am town cleared too.

The card you are claiming for alignment is something easily thrown away by scum or town players who know this setup (see my previous post on useless investigators) so you risked little by claiming it as your alignment card since if someone had it they probably would have tossed it.

No. You aren't. Because you haven't proven your role card. I have.

How does proving your role card mean anything? You proved your a day vig, a role scum would LOVE to have. That doesn't mean you're telling the truth about the most important card, your alignment. You have proved the same as me, which is to say NOTHING.

[Lucky2u]

Seriously how are we not lynching the person that's argument is:

I am A
I am also B

I've proven I am A, so I must be B because I wouldn't lie about 1 thing and tell the truth about another.

[Lucky2u]

She isn't fake claiming anymore, she's using false logic. If she is going to claim that proving her role card somehow magically proves her alignment, how is that not scum?

[Lucky2u]

vc after supper. only in hospitals do you eat dinner at 4:30pm...

You in the hospital? Get better mod!

[Lucky2u]

If you don't think I'm idiot (thanks btw) why are you trying to pass off your idiot logic in front of me?

Yes I have claimed all my cards, so your not reading my posts ms scum.

Your logic only makes sense if the person claims two town cards kept. I kept a town and scum card so the possibilty of me switching them is also none since I'd be claiming werewolf.

[Lucky2u]

Also you seem to be missing the point of my argument, which is I don't believe you ever even had town investigator card. Yes you proved that you had A day vig card, but I think you also had a scum card. You claimed the investigator card as a lie because it's a safe card to claim knowing it would be high on the throw away list for people who got it.

[Lucky2u]

How exactly does it lessen chances? Seriously, graph it or make me a formula. I'll wait.

[Lucky2u]

I didn't shoot against census. I was deciding between suzune and gummy. I stated as such and both were considerable suspects among others. Second, I claimed all my cards and you can check them. I proved my vig, and you know my discard.

So my third card proves my alignment

. There's only one in the entire list and it's mine.

Btw yes she has

[Lucky2u]

Also you seem to be missing the point of my argument, which is I don't believe you ever even had town investigator card. Yes you proved that you had A day vig card, but I think you also had a scum card. You claimed the investigator card as a lie because it's a safe card to claim knowing it would be high on the throw away list for people who got it.

You could say the exact same about werewolf mason.

Hopefully the food's good. I work in hospitals and, of the ones I've been at, the food in their cafes is homemade and is actually pretty great. You would be surprised how good it is for the price. Get well soon.

That's my point!

[Lucky2u]

...bowser what?

[Lucky2u]

ETL says she's proven herself to be town, when she hasnt. She is lying. Lynch liars.

[Lucky2u]

Bloodhound is an amazing card. If it was one of the 21 cards drawn, noone in their right mind would have discarded it. If you claimed that card whether for alignment or role, you'd be nuts. Town investigator on the other hand, checks for cult. As I've said multiple times, it's an easy card to discard as useless. Thereby making it much safer to claim as your alignment card since that's the only reason to use it.

In other words, a good town card risks a counterclaim by someone who either kept it as alignment (if they got an even better role) or kept as role (this means 16 chances it's in someone's hand). A bad town card would not be kept as role and only possible as alignment. (this means 8 chances for it to be in someone's hand)

TL:DR math says I'm right.

[Lucky2u]

I won't be voting anyone but ETL. Since she has expressed the same, let's make it a run off!

ETL for scum 2015.

[Lucky2u]

None of this proves your point nor does it make any sense since I've told the truth and I know this is wrong.

... Are you even responding to the same post? How does math not make sense. Do you not understand how 16 is greater than 8?

I'm not trying to prove a point with that post I'm showing you math. It doesn't prove your scum but you ASKED how one card claim is safer than another.

"since I've told the truth" is the worst defense in mafia ever. You are aware people this a game of lying right? From our POV we have no way to tell if your lying or not and your defense is amounting to no more than "because I said so"

[Lucky2u]

It doesn't matter what anyone else believes, because from MY POV, KNOWING MY ALIGNMENT AND KNOWING THE CARDS I GOT, I know your "math" and attempted conclusion is incorrect. I know I'm town, and you're scum. I know you're not this fucking stupid.

If you are town, from your POV of course YOU know your town. We on the other hand don't know that, yet you are trying to tell us we should know you are town because you say you are town. If you don't understand why that is ridiculous, allow me to use that defense myself.

Hey guys, my alignment is town. From my POV I know this to be true, so you can go ahead and trust that it is a fact.

[Lucky2u]

I need you to ask yourself this and answer: do you really want to do this?

do what?

[Lucky2u]

Oh I see... I'm the only sane person alive now. I'm waiting for input from the rest of the players.

[Lucky2u]

Why would you think I'd assume the flip would be town? From a lucky-scum pov I'd still be hunting for other scum. The flip of Suzanne should be null info for me. As for the way the hammer happened. Lucky lol hammered. Get over it. It's hardly an alignment tell unless the player has a pattern. Which I don't (feel free to research this). It's a play style habit of a player.

[Lucky2u]

Four votes on four different people... This is a mess.

[Lucky2u]

So the argument against Lucky is the hammer yesterday.

The argument against Soren is the scummy dayvig and resulting discussion.

The argument against ETL is she isn't scum hunting.

Argument against me is that I'm lurking.

Argument against Hindu is that he's assuming he's obvtown.

Argument agains Vedith is a mixture of meta and policy.

Ignoring the statistics and card crap, am I caught up now?

Actually yes

[Lucky2u]

eh.

but lucky is scum and we should lynch him.

Why are you so sure based on the hammer alone? Is there more to it? Why so sure even if there is more? This could potentially be game losing and I think he brings up a good point hence why I wanted to NL earlier just in case of the possibility.

She is a lyncher target below. Just realized this, feeling stupid it took me this long.

[Lucky2u]

I don't wall post Hindu, when I come back it's with multiple posts.

[Lucky2u]

why don't you care about this game? Do you prefer scum or town roles?

Scum is boring, it's easy. I elected not to be third party this game either, thinking I had the best chance of winning with the town. And then we lost 2 PRs.

I like to be a big part of the discussions going on and most of the discussion is lost on me in this game, which hurts as I'm not as invested as I want to be.

How are you reading this excuse for no content as town Hindu...

[Lucky2u]

Concerning Vedith. I just played a great scum game with him as my partner. He was not trolley or asshole-ish so ETL is wrong on that account. He asked a whole bunch of questions and fence sat. That's what I'd looking for scum Vedith. He hasn't really don't that though, so I'd relegate him to null read.

[Lucky2u]

Soren I need updated reasons why Vedith is scum. It's been 200 posts since your reasons in 317 and those were weak then and are weaker now. I also realized I have no idea what your read is on anyone else but Vedith.

[Lucky2u]

i'm not a fucking lyncher... how does that even make sense hindu...

It makes sense because you can then post this later saying "how does it make sense" it also explains why you vigged day 1. Scum and town would have been better off waiting.

[Lucky2u]

i'm not a fucking lyncher... how does that even make sense hindu...

Eliminating the possibility, if I can end the game now, I'd rather just get it over with.

So your claiming survivor...

[Lucky2u]

ETL Lynches me, she wins and as a survivor you win for living. Is there even a survivor in the deck?

[Lucky2u]

Ah... Card 137, survivor mason. Used as alignment and it doesn't matter who wins, you just need to live.

Lyncher win ends the game with lyncher solo winning. Town loses.

[Lucky2u]

First hand experience years ago I tried to convince town to do that and they lynched me because mod confirmed I would win solo

[Lucky2u]

Mod by penguin_alien iirc

[Lucky2u]

Lucky, you scum?

Statistically, yes.

I'm not going to omit this detail. If you look at every greatest idea game I've been a player, I've picked scum %100 of the time.

That's not an exageration. Trying to change things up here so I picked a weak town combo, which was hard since I did get 1 mafia and 1 werewolf card.

I'm not shy about my history.

[Lucky2u]

If you are a lyncher ETL, you can claim now and I'll get lynched for town. This does mean tomorrow is 3p left

[Lucky2u]

What's a lynher?

[Lucky2u]

[Lucky2u]

ETL is a day vig, not a lyncher...
It's impossible for him to be a lyncher.

No it isn't. Lyncher is an alignment, not a role power.

[Lucky2u]

She is a lyncher target below. Just realized this, feeling stupid it took me this long.

To be quite fair, ETL, if you're lyncher, just claim it.

At least if you're a lyncher, you can just claim and get outta here.

Spoiler:

Ummm...

What's the meaning of this?

[Lucky2u]

I went back and reread that terrible lyncher game I had. God that was depressing...

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: hind

[Lucky2u]

No it isn't. Lyncher is an alignment, not a role power.

No, lyncher align is neutral, lyncher is the role...

There is no such thing as a neutral alignment... Lyncher is a vanilla role power.

[Lucky2u]

No it isn't. Lyncher is an alignment, not a role power.

No, lyncher align is neutral, lyncher is the role...

The "choose 2" mechanic can become confusing, but it becomes easier when you think of the setup in terms of all possible alignments (Town, Mafia, Werewolf, Alien, Cult, Survivor, Serial Killer, Lyncher),

From the wiki, it's listed with the possible alignments. I may have been wrong about lyncher win con but I generally know my stuff with idea games.

[Lucky2u]

those last few posts from hindu are weird as fuck man...

super weird.

Haha. It's not just me then... I was thinking the same thing. He might be drunk posting though... Not that anybody does that on this site... <3

[Lucky2u]

How was shooting a town member "helping" town?

Yea I don't move my vote because you accuse me of being scum. That's not how this works...

[Lucky2u]

If she's a solo scum vig then it didn't matter who we named, she would have gladly killed anyone since she has to kill all of us anyway. Even if she has a partner (unlikely) she could have just shot elsewhere or bussed him. Don't give her town cred for something scum would GLADLY do.

[Lucky2u]

@soren because you hardly mention anyone else since 317 but Vedith so Vedith is the only one for sure I can assume hasn't changed. If your telling me none of your reads changed since then that's fine, that's what I wanted to know. Follow up question: why no change? (who didn't see that coming?)

@ash Ketchum I barely remember my games a week after they've ended. I only remembered that one because of the embarrassment.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: No lynch

Stalled game is Stalled.

[Lucky2u]

There's something comforting knowing that I won't die tonight.

[Lucky2u]

vedith, your claim seems geniune but explain to me how soren is cleared by RBing him. if he has a partner, the partner could have submitted the kill.

[Lucky2u]

I of course have no night actions to report btw, being a mason and all.

[Lucky2u]

actually... now that Vedith has claimed JOAT... I have a more important question for him and I'll answer Soren afterward.

JOAT in this setup includes a cop power. understandably useless as I've explained earlier. however can you tell me based on the wording the mod used in your role pm, is it clear that this power only checks for mafia?

[Lucky2u]

Well now... This is an interesting development...

CN... I hate to put this pressure on you but the game is in your hands because I am definitely following my boy Vedith. Mostly because Hindu has scum slipped several times in this CC. If he is town I'm OK lynching him knowing it's still his fault for being bad at CCing.

[Lucky2u]

Dude... What?

[Lucky2u]

I don't even... This 1v1 has just become who do I think is less scum rather than who is town. Vedith, if I am Hindu's partner and soren is already supporting him against you WHY THE FUCK WOULD I NOT JUST SUPPORT THEM AND LYNCH YOU FOR THE WIN?

[Lucky2u]

*sigh* so my choices are the guy who mixed up Judas and Saulus or the guy who thinks I'd bus my partner when I have the win.

[Lucky2u]

If you were a fool I could believe it. You unfortunately for yourself have come across too intelligent to have genuinely forgotten what your role card was. I can believe you forgetting a lie as scum, but not the truth as town.

[Lucky2u]

Also you keep using that guilting argument of post game feedback is scummy dude, stop it. Vedith's foolishness has made me undecided now

[Lucky2u]

thats not a "simple" mistake. if you are town, you may not see it through your frustration but claiming a scum card as your alignment is a pretty big freaking mistake. If it causes us the game, that's definitely not my fault, it is %110 YOUR fault and no jury in the world would ever disagree with me. In fact, every time I see you in a game my greeting will be "Hey hindu, remember that time you claimed scum? Good times."

[Lucky2u]

You would not mix those two that's impossible.

THANK YOU!

See? I'm not the only one Hindu.

[Lucky2u]

@Mod you are picking some of the creepiest pictures for the VCs...

[Lucky2u]

Ok, Lucky's not scum then.

It's sweet to hear the truth but in all fairness all you know is I am not scum on scum-vedith's team. There is still every possibility I'm a third party. Which is the same I could say about all of you really. For all I know this 1v1 is a cult vs a werewolf. Meanwhile, an alien, a lyncher, and a townie are all sitting on the sidelines wondering who to lynch.

Hello my name is paranoid, nice to meet you.

[Lucky2u]

Also I'm not going to hammer you until I've heard more from Vedith. I'd also like to see Soren post just to prove he isn't on scum Vedith's team either (or he could just end the game here and I wouldn't have to try too much)

[Lucky2u]

its always a priority of mine not to be blamed for a town loss.

Hey ETL! Since you are in the dead thread saying something along the lines of "I can't believe lucky was actually town" can you kindly send me some psychic vibes on who to pick here?

[Lucky2u]

can I vote both of you?

[Lucky2u]

Thanks...

Proving I'm not Hindu partner btw

[Lucky2u]

Vedith... Now that you know I'm not Hindu's partner. Give me a reason not to lynch you.

[Lucky2u]

Here is my thought flow... We are in LyLo, that's a guaranteed fact.

Vedith scum would only have claimed a popular role if he had a partner and was looking to end the game today. By PoE that has to be CN. Solo scum Vedith wouldn't risk being cc'd today.

Scum Hindu has the same issue, if he is solo and his cc works he is screwed tomorrow so he has to have a partner and by PoE that is soren.

I now have two guaranteed partner possibilities. So I can look into soren and CN to see who I like more there...

[Lucky2u]

When I consider CN into this, his attempt to get Hindu lynched today seems super sketchy. I like him the least out of the four of you on the scum scale. Vedith does seem forced today with regards to linking me and Hindu. But my gut started today with him telling the truth.

Hindu... He fumbles the cop role mechanic yesterday and fumbles his alignment claim yesterday. I'm not sure if two bad claims mean genuine town foolishness or just super bad fake claiming scum. Linking him with soren, soren may be my strongest town read right now.

Soren and CN, have either of you claimed? If not you should go ahead and do so. This is clearly LyLo as I've pointed out.

[Lucky2u]

After the game whoever is scum needs to tell me why kill ETL if you weren't going to mislynch me today...

[Lucky2u]

Assuming CN is telling the truth, those are a sucky 3 cards to get.

Soren, that's a safe claim but it makes sense...

[Lucky2u]

I've read this day over and over... Ugh. I hate this decision.

Will probably hammer tonight.

[Lucky2u]

How I feel right now

[Lucky2u]

Grrrr... This decision...

VOTE: Vedith

I already regret this.

[Lucky2u]

Please tell me if I was right or not.

[Lucky2u]

If I was wrong I'm going to shoot someone.

[Lucky2u]

Fuck

[Lucky2u]

No only those who lived :p

[Lucky2u]

Yay I hammered a scum Vedith. Achievement unlocked "Revenge at last"

[Lucky2u]

Thank you mod for the game! I love playing in these idea setups. This is the first time I willingly chose town.

[Lucky2u]

I just realized given my cards I could have been werewolf with Vedith had I picked that combo

[Lucky2u]

He'd win either way I suppose.

[Lucky2u]

Oh man... Glad to see ETL had such faith in me for the dead qt <3

My methods may be sloppy but we got there in the end.

[Lucky2u]

Oh man... Glad to see ETL had such faith in me for the dead qt <3

My methods may be sloppy but we got there in the end.

You were being ridiculous. After the CC it was obvious Vedith was the fake claim. But you were all "NOPE".

I disagree with it being obvious. Hindu flubbed his claim twice this game and was strong enough a reason to have misgivings. In a case that was likely LyLo my first thought was "if I was scum I'd cc whatever claim I could" and try to win that way.

Besides noones ever accused me of being a great town player. Your expectations should be lower. I'll let you all in on a little secret. I type my hammer post with Hindus name in the vote and changed it last second after I thought, what would ETL want me to do? Answer: the opposite of what I'm doing.

[Lucky2u]

What's funny is if Vedith had not killed me, he probably would have successfully helped me mislynch Lucky and won. lol..

This is why we NL, ETL. It's always best to take the patient route. I wanted to point this out during LyLo yesterday but didn't because I was trying not to wifom Lucky too much with unnecessary posting.

Also, Bowser, huge thanks for being the backup mod! You did an awesome job, man.

I'm glad all of you behaved and I only had to give out a warning once.

gee thanks "dad"

seriously though, thanks for the sub modding! we literally couldn't have done it without you.