Micro 551 — Vanilla-Free Greatest Idea Mafia — Game Over!

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Of his 3 cards, he chose the mafia one to discard. It's likely the other two are anti-mafia.

Or he got three scum cards and didn't have a choice

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VOTE: Suzune

The plans they made put an end to you

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Are we really just setup speculating? There's a wagon on Vedith already and scum is almost guaranteed to be on it.

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Really REALLY don't think that now was a good time to claim that. At all. We're like 2 fuckin days into this game. Too soon. Hell, one of these guys even has 2 posts. TWO. I can't make a decision based off of that.

Normally I would have, but I don't really take these Great/Greater/Greatest idea games too seriously. Might as well make it interesting. I don't mind waiting a few days.

I would be on board with a Vedith policyvig but that wouldn't tell us anything. Not worth it in a micro.

Isn't it still possible for a dayvig to be scum this game?

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There isn't much to say. Although at this point I like how at least one person is sidestepping actually laying out his thoughts instead of taking a stance on it.

It's mostly a lot of circle jerking going on. I say vig Vedith so that I'll play the game.

This is how I feel at the moment. I want to add but I have nothing to say about the setup and little to say about the claim.

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VOTE: gummmybear for attempting a Vedith quicklynch and voting the most vocal player for no reason

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ETL: just shoot someone already so we can start talking about the flip

Bonus points if it's gummy

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VOTE: Soren

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That's L-1 guys

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Out of all the votes on me, Chaotic's one is the one that pings me the most. Care to explain your thought process a bit more?
VOTE: Chaotic Neutrality

You held off telling us you had a dayvig until the other guy shot, and you didn't consult the town at all. Of the two dayvig's you're most likely scum.

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If it helps I'm not guilty?

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Can't we just lynch Soren and call it a day

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Not liking CN honestly. ISO him and you'll see. Calling for Soren lynch, no vote. Still going off it today. Why? Because vigshot. "if it helps im not guilty" yes, but I think you're likely third party without a kill and don't want to participate in this game anymore.

Vote: CN

Why would you vote your own confirmed not-mafia if you believe that I'm a useless 3rd party with no impact on the game?

TBH I have little interest in setup spec across the board and that's the majority of discussion that's taking place. I imagine these types of games just aren't for me. Reads are hard to get because of the sheer amount of statistics and card-alignment-role type logic being used. I feel stupid for trying to scumhunt in an environment like this when nobody else is really doing that based hardcore on reactions and vote counts, instead preferring card claims which can easily be faked. I could see where that'd be fun but it's not my cup of tea. Live and learn, etc.

I'm currently re-reading to see if I can get a solid read on anyone who's not you.

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So the argument against Lucky is the hammer yesterday.

The argument against Soren is the scummy dayvig and resulting discussion.

The argument against ETL is she isn't scum hunting.

Argument against me is that I'm lurking.

Argument against Hindu is that he's assuming he's obvtown.

Argument agains Vedith is a mixture of meta and policy.

Ignoring the statistics and card crap, am I caught up now?

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why don't you care about this game? Do you prefer scum or town roles?

Scum is boring, it's easy. I elected not to be third party this game either, thinking I had the best chance of winning with the town. And then we lost 2 PRs.

I like to be a big part of the discussions going on and most of the discussion is lost on me in this game, which hurts as I'm not as invested as I want to be.

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I've never played with ETL on any of my accounts, but I do think she's pushing a reasonless lucky lynch way harder than is reasonable.

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With the setup the way it is, I don't think anyone's alignment can be proven, and I firmly believe the game is going to be won by scum hunting instead of card speculation. I would even go so far as to say those speculating about cards are scummier because they're distracting the town from its true goals.

ETL as a lyncher makes a lot of sense.

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at this point we might be looking at scum without a kill in which case NLing would be a way to go assuming any information could actually be gathered through night actions.

Otherwise we're risking a PR death or just wasting time.

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VOTE: no lynch

I pray the night brings us some results. At the very least we can find out if scum has a kill.

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I'm pretty confident Hind is town and Soren is still giving me scum vibes.

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Lyncher can classify as self aligned (so the result as an alignment card would be up to mod discretion) or as a role by itself.

Either way I don't really think ETL is town but she's also helped town with her one dayvig which means she's definitely not anti town. Probably wouldn't get much out of that lynch.

If you're voting Hind you're prob scum. I'm looking at you, Lucky.

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She asked us before she shot. She could have just shot.

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Oh am I really the only one voting no lynch -_-

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Plot twist?

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I have a theory that ETL is actually alien scum and didn't use her factional kill last night.

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Checking in, what you need Hind?

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You want me to claim, yes?

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At this point I think it's worthwhile to lynch Hinduragi and get him on the towns side. When he's L-1 he can out the scum team so when we hammer him he wins with us.

Sound good? Good.

VOTE: Hinduragi

L-1 out the scum team now before they hammer and NK you

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You would not mix those two that's impossible.

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If you don't convert that means you're scum and you just outted yourself.

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We have scum. Either way it's confirmed by the alignment card claim that Hinduragi is scum. He didn't even know he was claiming scum (poor guy) but I'm pretty confident given that nobody's hammered him that he is indeed part of the Mafia team.

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I'm a townie immune to the aliens. That is my only power.

Role card was SK, alignment card was Town Cop.

Soren knows Hindu did not claim judas as his alignment card. So we found his partner. I knew that dayvig was suspect.

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Pretty sure CN is lurking to not dig a deeper hole than he already is in.

I'm not on my laptop so I can't quote everything I want to quote, but no. You guys are making it pretty clear who the scum team is.

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actual points against you

Confirmed not mafia, thank you.

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Oh come on. Mixing up Judas and Saulus is an easy thing to do. I haven't looked at which is which since I confirmed my alignment card.

That is total bullshit. While it is true both are referenced numerous times in the Bible, Judas is referenced a ton in pop culture across the world. Saulus is not. There is no way on this planet that you possibly mixed them up. You know which card you have. Chalk it up to a deadly oversight and eat rope.

Anyone not voting Hindu right now is either dumb or scum.

At this point I think it's worthwhile to lynch Hinduragi and get him on the towns side. When he's L-1 he can out the scum team so when we hammer him he wins with us.

He didn't choose that card as his role

I wasn't paying attention. And apparently neither are you, I corrected myself.

We have scum. Either way it's confirmed by the alignment card claim that Hinduragi is scum.

You do know that Judas is aligned with town right?

That's true, and also irrelevant. Saulus is aligned with scum.

"Pretty confident" my ass. Just 3 pages ago I was one of your strongest townreads and you were buddying the shit out of me.

That was before you claimed scum.

After CN's latest reply, if Soren is actually scum, I will quite literally shit bricks from the mindfuck that has been thrust upon me.

Soren your partner you mean? The one who is blatently defending

confirmed, claimed scum?

That statement is just to distance yourself when Soren inevitably gets lynched so you can get some town cred off of it.

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"Either way it's confirmed" - How is it confirmed either way? Explain that to me. How is a mistake vs. scumslip confirming a card claim?

"Pretty confident" my ass. Just 3 pages ago I was one of your strongest townreads and you were buddying the shit out of me.

You've wanted to vote me ever since I cc'd your buddy and there's nothing that will change your mind. That much is pretty clear along with how quick you were to place your vote on me in potential LyLo. The only thing that's "confirmed" is that you've now put all your cards in this basket and now it's up to the remaining two town to either vote your buddy or vote me.

I'd also like to see Soren post just to prove he isn't on scum Vedith's team either

After CN's latest reply, if Soren is actually scum, I will quite literally shit bricks from the mindfuck that has been thrust upon me.

Oh come on. Mixing up Judas and Saulus is an easy thing to do. I haven't looked at which is which since I confirmed my alignment card.

You should have accepted your fate before your partner Soren started defending you so heavily. That really cost you the game right there.

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^ignore the quotes, I don't know why they're there.

That happens to me a lot.

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You know the scum team. Vote scum.

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Oh that was a hammer. Whelp.

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Well I'm town so if the games over I'm screwed.

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Nobodys flipped its not confirmed, calm down.

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I told you

Can someone explain how the cards I mixed ended up giving me the role I got? I think I'm terrible at this setup.

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HOW DID YOU MIX UP SAULUS AND JUDAS WHAT ON EARTH

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You're aligned with the town so yes. We all just endgamed.

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i tried to make the colors delineating the alignment, and my readiness to answer questions, clearer but sorry

I can be dumb sometimes, it's all good. I probably shouldn't have joined a game like this on a whim.

But to think I could have been a town cop

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Hindu I feel like deep down we share some core similarities.

I too have a much tighter scum game than town game.