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Hinduragi · Post Post #17 (isolation #0) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:46 am

Vote: Vedith

Flash wagon go.

Hinduragi · Post Post #22 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:09 am

Lucky2u — Mafia Cupid

Lucky wagon is bad and you should feel bad.

Hinduragi · Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:13 am

Nope but he has the least chances of being scum based on what I know. I'm not starting the flash wagon on him lol.

Hinduragi · Post Post #27 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:16 am

Of his 3 cards, he chose the mafia one to discard. It's likely the other two are anti-mafia. My first set of cards was mafia, town, town. My next set was town, town, town. It's likely he didn't get more than two. He's more likely to be town however small those odds may be. I'm starting the wagon on someone else because of that knowledge.

Hinduragi · Post Post #30 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:23 am

Yes but there are more town roles than scum in the deck.

I got two sets. He said he had to re-roll in one of the first posts and pm'd me about the error.

Math is math.

Hinduragi · Post Post #33 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:01 pm

124 cards. 49 scum. 75 town. Third party roles are assumed scum although if I separated them into town-beneficial vs scum-beneficial things can get dicey. Numbers used may not be correct but are close estimations.

This is the chance of

two

scum cards with one town card: 34.38%
This is the chance of

one

scum cards with one town card: 43.86%

It's obvious he can't have drawn Town-Town-Town so this doesn't add up to 100% together.

For the record, all possible combinations are going below because I'm not fucking doing this shit again ever. You can refer to this the rest of the game if the argument arises with non-vanilla.

Spoiler: Statistics

There. I applied the maths.

Hinduragi · Post Post #35 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:04 pm

And obviously this won't be a strong argument. I'm not confirming scum. I'm telling you why I like the wagon more. Jesus fuck.

Hinduragi · Post Post #41 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:36 pm

Suzune, I'll forgive you for that because you just got in here and there's a ton of noise. We wagon Vedith now.

Hinduragi · Post Post #43 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:18 pm

All of the above and then some.

Hinduragi · Post Post #53 (isolation #9) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:17 am

Policy lynch him for pulling cheeky bullshit and spamming it inthread. L-1 can't come soon enough.

Hinduragi · Post Post #55 (isolation #10) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:28 am

I much prefer shotty to the above. At least he didn't play mafia with the intention of being a dick to everyone who voted him.

Hinduragi · Post Post #58 (isolation #11) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:34 am

First person to dayvig vedith gets my unlynchable gift tonight. I promise.

Hinduragi · Post Post #62 (isolation #12) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:37 am

In post 60, Vedith wrote:
In post 58, Hinduragi wrote:First person to dayvig vedith gets my unlynchable gift tonight. I promise.

Go cry else where, no one cares what you think.

Not crying, lel. You seem mad.

Hinduragi · Post Post #68 (isolation #13) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:47 am

In post 61, Suzune wrote:
In post 59, Vedith wrote:I'm hardly ever scum, but I think I've only ever been scum lynched once.
Thanks Suzune.
we have played in many game and you are always the suspect.

Always this cheeky?

Not sure how you handle it or like to play with it across multiple games if that's the case.

Hinduragi · Post Post #71 (isolation #14) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:52 am

In post 69, Suzune wrote:Nah, unusually I am more stiff. But I want to let my hair down a little and since everyone was being so friendly.

I meant him and his usual play.

Hinduragi · Post Post #77 (isolation #15) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:10 am

In post 74, Lucky2u wrote:Hmmm... reading the math of lucky choices discussion... one moment please.

How long have you been here exactly to respond as soon as you're called on?

Hinduragi · Post Post #78 (isolation #16) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:11 am

LOOOL

Unvote; Vote: Lucky2u

GOT 'EM.

Hinduragi · Post Post #83 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:16 am

Explain the L-1 vote that came as soon as you've skimmed through the thread. There was 0 hesitation on it.

Hinduragi · Post Post #84 (isolation #18) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:23 am

DON'T LURK ON ME NOW, LUCKY.

Hinduragi · Post Post #88 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:28 am

In post 86, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 83, Hinduragi wrote:Explain the L-1 vote that came as soon as you've skimmed through the thread. There was 0 hesitation on it.

In post 84, Hinduragi wrote:DON'T LURK ON ME NOW, LUCKY.

I voted my scum read. There is your explanation.

Yeah, don't care about the F5'ing. I do expect you to be here for 5 minutes after your post rather than showing up 10 minutes after you've had time to think about it.

That doesn't explain the L-1 vote. Especially when you read the 2 pages in 3 minutes and probably spent 6 minutes total on the thread.

Hinduragi · Post Post #89 (isolation #20) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:33 am

For future reference though - Ash Ketchum. My avatar is Red.

Hinduragi · Post Post #94 (isolation #21) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:53 am

Eh, whatever. >_>

Lucky wrote:
You can't say you don't care about my F5ing and then berate me for responding in 10 minutes rather than 5....

Yes it does. It was actually 1 page in 3 minutes. I was already through the Lucky math discussion when I posted that... you see I can't reference something BEFORE I've read about it. You mistake me for a clairvoyant.

I know people have things to do but I expected you to stick around and reply after your first posts of the game whilst we're all here. I didn't expect you to stay around once it was all done because I sure as hell wouldn't be here either if I had FO4 to be at.

Even your town role sounds like a scum role. With that said,

unvote

. If anyone here has an IC role, they can confirm this guy isn't scum by revealing. Scum would be dumb to claim this.

Hinduragi · Post Post #99 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:07 am

I don't have any thoughts on any of them to be quite honest. Aphix I don't blame because I gladly would've PL'd vedith in a heartbeat with how the game started out. Chaotic has made a RVS post. Suzune is probably town. Soren I don't like of all the people here mostly because of her defense of vedith but it's likely she just doesn't understand statistics. Gummy I'm interested to hear back from but he's currently mia. In fact, this game started off in probably the worst way possible for a RVS phase due to how I had to explain the math behind a non-rvs vote and that led us out of RVS into the lucky thing which turned out to be a dead end.

What about

you

? All you've done are ask people "are you scum".

Hinduragi · Post Post #108 (isolation #23) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:34 pm

Yeah. That's not gonna happen.

Hinduragi · Post Post #109 (isolation #24) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:35 pm

Mod: I'm not voting currently

Hinduragi · Post Post #112 (isolation #25) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:10 pm

In post 111, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:Are we really just setup speculating? There's a wagon on Vedith already and scum is almost guaranteed to be on it.

Noone's setup speculating. Who do you think is scum?

Hinduragi · Post Post #114 (isolation #26) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:23 pm

Lol scum vs scum arguments where everyone knows what side the other is on. I'll now be taking bids to buy my vote.

Hinduragi · Post Post #116 (isolation #27) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:29 pm

In post 115, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 113, Soren wrote:
In post 98, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:at least 5 people must be town for the game to be valid, correct?

hm. i suppose i'd be fine lynching from {chaotic, gummy, aphix, soren, suzune}. let's narrow this down a bit. vedith, lucky, hindu - what are your thoughts on those people?
According to the special notes, it is at least two town players.

Has marquis changed it? Wiki says no valid game unless at least half the list is town.

I checked right after that was posted because I, too, thought town had the majority of votes. All we need is for no single anti-town faction to hold a majority of votes and at least two town and one anti-town roles to be picked. Also, apparently daytalk is active.

Hinduragi · Post Post #119 (isolation #28) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:34 pm

Vote: Chaotic Neutrality

In all honesty, I want to see how this game's night phase plays out. Is it usually chaos? Sounds fun.

Hinduragi · Post Post #121 (isolation #29) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:38 pm

Lucky's town. That tree isn't even worth barking up anymore.

Hinduragi · Post Post #123 (isolation #30) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:42 pm

Uhhh, vedith's flip would be most helpful but I'm not confident about any reads right now, man. You should've saved that shit for later LOL. Do you have infinite shots?

Hinduragi · Post Post #125 (isolation #31) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:43 pm

Really REALLY don't think that now was a good time to claim that. At all. We're like 2 fuckin days into this game. Too soon. Hell, one of these guys even has 2 posts. TWO. I can't make a decision based off of that.

Hinduragi · Post Post #126 (isolation #32) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:43 pm

Jesus Christ, Lucky, if I didn't think you were town, I would vote the shit out of you. You pop up at the exact scummiest moments possible.

Hinduragi · Post Post #131 (isolation #33) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:03 pm

If that's the kind of game we're playing -

I vote to take out gummy. He's not saying much and he jumped on that wagon at an opportune moment.

Plus it would be hilarious as he last said this--

Will explain more when I'm back home, semi-v/la from now till Sunday evening (GMT+8) timing

And he'd come back to see himself dead.

Hinduragi · Post Post #133 (isolation #34) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:13 pm

Nah, I think he has a good chance of turning up scum.

Hinduragi · Post Post #141 (isolation #35) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:57 am

Goddammit guys, you were supposed to see who he vigs before letting the cat out of the bag that it's possible he might not be town.

Hinduragi · Post Post #160 (isolation #36) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:45 pm

In post 143, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 141, Hinduragi wrote:Goddammit guys, you were supposed to see who he vigs before letting the cat out of the bag that it's possible he might not be town.

since it's out of the bag. do you think ETL is likely doing this as scum? Wouldn't it have been better for her to hold the shot and use it as a game closer or even wait until it's likely she'll get lynched as a pre-emptive strike so to speak? I've been thinking about the way she is doing this and it doesn't strike me as the scum way to do day vig. I am NOT conf towning her but I read it as town.

Nah, ETL is town as shit but letting the shot go through while assuming he's town and letting everyone else assume that is a great, great tool for judging reactions, especially his own. Never go in 100% if you can help it.

And nope. I think in this gametype anything flies. I'm essentially a VT with how bullshit my role is and how many night actions will fly around at Night.

we are just letting him know we are on to his game.

That's exactly the problem. Let him and everyone else assumes he's the town dayvig until the shot goes through. If it was a scum gambit to make a quick kill, see who he picks and then we get to see who he kills (possibly even a scum buddy) and see what everyone else said based on the knowledge that everyone thinks he's town. Letting everyone know about it being a role-only thing is dumb as fuck because it only fills in the clueless.

Hinduragi · Post Post #161 (isolation #37) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:46 pm

P.S. Dayvig gummybears. I want to see the flip.

Hinduragi · Post Post #162 (isolation #38) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:48 pm

Actually I just ISO'd aphix and I'd say he's a great shot too given that he hasn't said shit during the entire game.

Hinduragi · Post Post #163 (isolation #39) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:49 pm

Actually I don't like the chances of that. Gummybears is the way to go.

Hinduragi · Post Post #166 (isolation #40) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:39 pm

So you actually think he's scum?

Hinduragi · Post Post #177 (isolation #41) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:31 pm

Hey Suzune, what's your favorite role/alignment

Hinduragi · Post Post #182 (isolation #42) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:57 am

In post 179, gummmybear wrote:Hinduragi's scum
of some flavour

Put the bullet in him.

Hinduragi · Post Post #183 (isolation #43) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:02 am

In post 181, Suzune wrote:
In post 178, aphix wrote:
In post 177, Hinduragi wrote:Hey Suzune, what's your favorite role/alignment

Oh! Me next me next!

A few months ago I would have said mafia. However I recently have been super unsuccessful at that. So currently i would rather play town. As for roles it is neither here nor there. I will play what I am dealt, and although I have been known to combs in about it when the moment is right

Barring ongoing games, you've only lost as SK and you made it to the final 3 in that game and loved it. Tell me why I should believe you that you would rather play town. I have read your ongoing games here and understand any history with that but keep it out of this discussion.

Hinduragi · Post Post #216 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:12 am

Shooting Suzune is kinda dumb af. Seriously. Like 2 people are scumreading her. I'm not a fan of her and her clear preference for mafia (don't buy into it that she prefers town just yet, those tickets are clearly EA preorder types) but gummybears should die. This guy is scummy as fuck.

He's made 3 posts the entire game, hasn't commented on fuck-all, has voted on the vedith wagon with "I WILL 'SPLAIN LATER" reasons, comes back, votes me with "LOL

some sort of scum

" reasons, says something to the order of "ehhh dayvig is such and such scum or w/e", and is gone into the night. The "some sort of scum" should've pinged more than just me. This guy is clearly trying to avoid attention and slide by the day. His "some sort of scum" is an added comment so he can feel good about saying "hes scum but he's not my scumbuddy" and try to "legitimately" scumhunt. Put the fucking bullet in him, goddamn.

Hinduragi · Post Post #217 (isolation #45) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:13 am

Gummy dies one way or another, bullet or not. He's lurking and deserves to go out like the coward he's been. If it's Suzune-scum, she's at least trying to do something in this game.

Hinduragi · Post Post #219 (isolation #46) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:19 am

Ignore aphix. He's being dumb.

Where the fuck did vedith get off to

Hinduragi · Post Post #231 (isolation #47) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:46 pm

Hey, you're both town so try to keep the back and forth small here.

ETL, please just shoot someone; it honestly has stagnated the game. FYI, deadline is a week from Friday.

Hinduragi · Post Post #234 (isolation #48) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:34 pm

I've had the same chances of being scum all game. If you haven't been able to develop a read on me by now, that's your problem. I'm not letting deadline creep up and a lynch getting rushed because apparently that's become a common thing while I've been gone.

Hinduragi · Post Post #237 (isolation #49) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:29 pm

Thank you

GIMME DAT FLIP

Hinduragi · Post Post #243 (isolation #50) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:40 pm

Oh, fuck you. Fuck you so hard.

Unvote; Vote: Soren

Hinduragi · Post Post #244 (isolation #51) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:41 pm

Don't even give me that shit like "BUT IM TOWN, I JUST WANTED TO SEE LOL". NOPE. You don't shoot the guy who's clearly been town-tunnelling and town-raging at the other vig.

Hinduragi · Post Post #245 (isolation #52) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:42 pm

In post 242, Soren wrote:well town's in a bad position now

YEAH LOL AND YOURE CLEARLY NOT PART OF IT

Hinduragi · Post Post #246 (isolation #53) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:45 pm

Hint: Soren just claimed scum inthread boys. Kept the vote on me for "building a counterwagon" from RVS, "town's in a bad position now lulz", last post before shooting aphix in the fucking face was "I see where you're coming from now, aphix, yeah, the policy lynch makes sense, I feel the same way about policy lynching people for that reason". This is scum, ladies and gents. Kill it with fire. BURN.

Hinduragi · Post Post #249 (isolation #54) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:58 pm

Soren was waiting this whole fucking time for you to take your shot.

Hinduragi · Post Post #250 (isolation #55) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:58 pm

That post was 1 fucking minute after the flip. Even I wasn't here that fast.

Hinduragi · Post Post #256 (isolation #56) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:58 pm

Hey Suzune, hammer. If you're scum, this is a free pass.

Hinduragi · Post Post #286 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:19 am

ETL wrote:ok i think lucky and vedith are town

In post 280, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:VOTE: suzune

lucky also probably scum.

Explain.

Hinduragi · Post Post #287 (isolation #58) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:20 am

Soren, what the fuck is your problem? Why did you wait around and refresh the site waiting on the flip just so you could take a shot that you pre-determined BEFORE the flip? What the actual fuck were you thinking

Hinduragi · Post Post #289 (isolation #59) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:23 am

Like, if you're going to give up on a game of mafia and go FULL DERP, I expect you to at least play up to that derp and not do a 180 degree turnaround the next morning "because you had a bad day". Life isn't a cake walk. The game's not even fun for me when you bring outside influence like that into a game because then you task everyone with "are you lying or are you just in a bad state of mind".

Hinduragi · Post Post #297 (isolation #60) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:30 am

Unvote

What are the chances scum are a super minority in this game

Also, I'm really going to need the case on Suzune play from earlier. I've only started to warm up to Scumzune since I was asking her about her alignment preferences. Also, I've read all her games up to this point. She does prefer mafia as of 2 months ago and most of her "recent" games are ongoing and she's only been scum in one of them(lynched) and nothing more needs to be said about that because ongoing. Her "Ive hit a low streak" is bullshit. She hasn't lost a single game as scum except an SK game where she was one of 3 alive and she describes that game as "loving" it. That and some gut read in here that inspired it are all I've really seen from her.

Hinduragi · Post Post #300 (isolation #61) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:34 am

In post 257, Suzune wrote:Well I am not scum. So I would like to give Soren a chance before the hammer

intent to hammer

THIS is the interesting bit. If it's scumzune with a buddy, she hammers. 2v3 would be the next day. And she probably doesn't even have a buddy if so. Chances are, scum are not aligned in this game but who knows. I don't think they are at the least because, from what I can tell, it's been every man for himself out here.

Hinduragi · Post Post #303 (isolation #62) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:47 am

In post 295, Vedith wrote:The thing that makes me doubt Suzune as scum is her comments which could be classed to buddying me.
I could see her using it as a tactic with only 1 set of scum. However, with the chance of several it serves no purpose to her as scum as I don't influence people (which she knows) I'm easily lynched (which she knows) and my death, although I am town, if flipped scum would give her no town credit what so ever (which she knows).

Did you consider there's probably 3rd party scum if anyone got the role for it -- I would buddy the shit out of someone early on if I was lonely scum. With the way the game's set up, it's possible for even just one person to be scum which I've thought a lot about but I haven't mentioned because we just need to look for scum now and worry about the variables to it later.

Btw, since we're nearing the amount of alignment claims where scum can start to get free fakeclaims in, I'm going to go ahead and let the cat out of the bag that I'm basically confirmed town once I do claim my alignment card. I want to breadcrumb this now so it's apparent it's not a fakeclaim. I've had this in store since I chose my cards and I chose them in a very specific way because I saw the power I could have by choosing the set of cards that I did. I thought about revealing it at game start but deemed it best to wait until D2. Unfortunately, we had a derp vig and now we're basically at D2.

Hinduragi · Post Post #304 (isolation #63) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:00 am

I just reread and Suzune didn't defend you at all. Soren did.

Hinduragi · Post Post #310 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:20 am

Rather not discuss the role thing now until we do claims. It's a breadcrumb. Let it be just that.

That was not buddying. That was responding to what's going on and keeping her options open without committing one way or another.

Hinduragi · Post Post #312 (isolation #65) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:22 am

In fact, all of those comments were responding to posts against her which is worse.

Hinduragi · Post Post #313 (isolation #66) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:24 am

In post 311, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Still scummy though Hindu.

Vedith and his towntells are found in bad territory. I want to see where the tunnel leads too.

Vote: Suzune

Hinduragi · Post Post #343 (isolation #67) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:24 pm

BOOM. Ok, so obvkill on me probably. Don't even care. Gj whoever blocked w/e. I'm not claiming but I am here to say, and confidently I might add since we got the psychotrooper, that Chaotic Neutrality is Not Guilty.

Hinduragi · Post Post #344 (isolation #68) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:27 pm

So I just read my role PM and my guilty/not guilty results only confirm if they are aligned with mafia for some reason (something something bastard) and should be taken with a grain of salt. I did not really think about how that role pm is phrased until now. This is actually kind of gay and I want a redo.

Hinduragi · Post Post #345 (isolation #69) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:28 pm

EBWOP: gay to dumb

Making an active effort to correct my bad habits. I apologize if you took offense to the above.

Hinduragi · Post Post #347 (isolation #70) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:31 pm

Yeah, I wanted to confirm you and I was ready to believe but my role PM phrasing has failed me. Sorry bro, you're kinda screwed now.

Hinduragi · Post Post #353 (isolation #71) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:46 pm

Lucky, you should claim your alignment card. Right now.

Hinduragi · Post Post #357 (isolation #72) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:53 pm

Woops. I meant your role card. I thought it was the role you had claimed.

Hinduragi · Post Post #359 (isolation #73) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:00 pm

Cool. I'm fine with waiting for info.

Why do you think ETL's scum?

Hinduragi · Post Post #362 (isolation #74) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:17 pm

In post 360, Lucky2u wrote:Her reaction to my hammer is such a show. She's looking for low hanging fruit. Her day vig was a fumble, iirc she shot against the consensus, so why did she even ask us to "vote"?

If we're being honest, her shooting gummy was my fault >_> I sorta derailed the SK vig and got psycho-role-gummy shot.

It's ironic because Suzune was the SK and he could've made her a VT yet we ended up killing them.

Hinduragi · Post Post #375 (isolation #75) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:33 am

Because noone cares about the alignment cards in all honesty. It's too easy to fakeclaim in this setup. If you're lynching solely off that, you have a problem. Not everyone else.

Your reasons are fake show re: hammer, alignment card, going against the consensus for vig shot. Show maybe. Alignment card nope. Against consensus was my fault because I convinced that shot to go on gummy. So... ???

Hinduragi · Post Post #385 (isolation #76) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:12 pm

In post 377, Lucky2u wrote:She isn't fake claiming anymore, she's using false logic. If she is going to claim that proving her role card somehow magically proves her alignment, how is that not scum?

It doesn't but it does lessen chances. Noone here has said they're "proven town" lol. Only I have done that but I haven't claimed yet. Where are you going with this moonlogic

Hinduragi · Post Post #387 (isolation #77) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:15 pm

In post 383, Lucky2u wrote:Also you seem to be missing the point of my argument, which is I don't believe you ever even had town investigator card. Yes you proved that you had A day vig card, but I think you also had a scum card. You claimed the investigator card as a lie because it's a safe card to claim knowing it would be high on the throw away list for people who got it.

You could say the exact same about werewolf mason.

Hopefully the food's good. I work in hospitals and, of the ones I've been at, the food in their cafes is homemade and is actually pretty great. You would be surprised how good it is for the price. Get well soon.

Hinduragi · Post Post #390 (isolation #78) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:17 pm

In post 386, Lucky2u wrote:How exactly does it lessen chances? Seriously, graph it or make me a formula. I'll wait.

LOL

Read my post on the second page. I'm done with statistics in this game for those who can't see them. Anyone claiming before other people claim has a more believable claim as they have a higher chance that someone else has drawn that card. Simple as that.

Hinduragi · Post Post #391 (isolation #79) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:17 pm

In post 389, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 387, Hinduragi wrote:
In post 383, Lucky2u wrote:Also you seem to be missing the point of my argument, which is I don't believe you ever even had town investigator card. Yes you proved that you had A day vig card, but I think you also had a scum card. You claimed the investigator card as a lie because it's a safe card to claim knowing it would be high on the throw away list for people who got it.

You could say the exact same about werewolf mason.

Hopefully the food's good. I work in hospitals and, of the ones I've been at, the food in their cafes is homemade and is actually pretty great. You would be surprised how good it is for the price. Get well soon.

That's my point!

...And this proves Bowser-scum how?

Hinduragi · Post Post #393 (isolation #80) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:18 pm

EBWOP: ETL-scum*

Fuck.

Hinduragi · Post Post #395 (isolation #81) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:30 pm

If we're lynching liars, I'm more inclined to lynch you as half of your post was lying when you stated why you thought she was scum. Vigging against the consensus being entirely wrong.

Hinduragi · Post Post #402 (isolation #82) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:38 pm

In post 399, Lucky2u wrote:I won't be voting anyone but ETL. Since she has expressed the same, let's make it a run off!

ETL for scum 2015.

ETL-scum wouldn't have used the logic of "that's a common discard" and then played dumb about it in the argument with you just now. ETL-scum is not happening in this game. Your lynch is bad and aimed on town.

Hinduragi · Post Post #403 (isolation #83) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:42 pm

If you both weren't being stubborn, you'd see the other is probtown. This is dumb.

ETL/Soren/Lucky, leaving me CN/vedith. Not liking CN honestly. ISO him and you'll see. Calling for Soren lynch, no vote. Still going off it today. Why? Because vigshot. "if it helps im not guilty" yes, but I think you're likely third party without a kill and don't want to participate in this game anymore.

Vote: CN

Hinduragi · Post Post #404 (isolation #84) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:47 pm

I'm feeling CN or an NL and it would take quite a lot to convince me otherwise.

Hinduragi · Post Post #407 (isolation #85) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:18 pm

In post 405, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 401, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:None of this proves your point nor does it make any sense since I've told the truth and I know this is wrong.

... Are you even responding to the same post? How does math not make sense. Do you not understand how 16 is greater than 8?

I'm not trying to prove a point with that post I'm showing you math. It doesn't prove your scum but you ASKED how one card claim is safer than another.

"since I've told the truth" is the worst defense in mafia ever. You are aware people this a game of lying right? From our POV we have no way to tell if your lying or not and your defense is amounting to no more than "because I said so"

I need you to ask yourself this and answer: do you really want to do this?

Hinduragi · Post Post #408 (isolation #86) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:21 pm

I can't really fathom nor find reason with how this day is going so far except that some bastard role turned Lucky into a jester N1. I'm kind of sad that's the best explanation that comes to mind.

Hinduragi · Post Post #411 (isolation #87) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:47 pm

You're essentially suiciding right now.

No one is voting for ETL. No one is going to vote for ETL. If ETL is scum, then she has essentially already won this game.

Hinduragi · Post Post #416 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:09 am

I'm pretty much a universal townread, vedith. That's why.

Game is at a standstill and I'm not convinced of Lucky-scum. 90% of this D2 has been Lucky and ETL going back and forth and it's time to move forward. If you're a useless 3rd party, then you won't try. I see you not trying and not caring. That's my way of reading into the game. I don't really care about the alignment or role cards either and noone should be using them to make statements on this game unless there's something tangible in relation to alignment. You may be not-mafia but there are 3 different mafia-esque factions and multiple 3rd party roles that you might be rendering that investigative result nearly useless.

Hinduragi · Post Post #422 (isolation #89) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:17 am

In post 417, Vedith wrote:
In post 416, Hinduragi wrote:I'm pretty much a universal townread, vedith. That's why.

Well, that's arguable. I mean, this is a multi set up.
But to just assume that you were attacked is my concern here.
As if you were roleblocked and wanted to take focus away from yourself...

I literally just claimed my result. I couldn't have been roleblocked lol

Hinduragi · Post Post #424 (isolation #90) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:21 am

I really doubt Lucky is scum and you've pretty much ignored it while you two went at it and argued semantics over "false conftown card claims = lying mafia" and "argument is dumb so must be scum".

Hinduragi · Post Post #425 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:22 am

In post 423, Vedith wrote:1 - I'm at work I haven't read properly
2 - It can be false
3 - It was more of a dig at what an odd comment it was.

Fair enough, I was more excited I had a confirmed town result and had lived than anything. I used the investigate thinking I'd die the first night as it was supposed to be crazy in this setup.

Hinduragi · Post Post #428 (isolation #92) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:40 am

In post 336, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 329, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Lucky almost surely scum, and likely not same faction as Suzune.

Curious statement to make. Already saying that no matter the flip I'm scum. Tsk tsk.

Don't know about this. Only Lucky-scum truly trying to actively hunt other alignments would say this and that means he thought his hammer was genuinely helpful.

Lucky has had a ton of scummy things but his play as a whole feels very atypical of scum play.

Hinduragi · Post Post #429 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:42 am

In post 427, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:well, ok. CN is confirmed "Not Mafia", but not "Not anything else". Like I said earlier, that's fine enough for now. The only one left I want to lynch out of the list is Lucky because of the way he hammered yesterday.

What about NL? Think scum with a NK would want to stalemate us?

Hinduragi · Post Post #439 (isolation #94) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:19 pm

In post 318, Vedith wrote:Yeah Soren is going to be scum here.

VOTE: Soren

In post 435, Vedith wrote:Go home Soren, you're drunk!

In post 323, Vedith wrote:
I saw what you said, I don't buy it.
His read list is so fake and doesn't make sense.

In post 325, Vedith wrote:I mean, read his ISO and tell me if it matches up.
That reads list was forced to justify him voting Suzune.

What happened to Soren scum bro?

Hinduragi · Post Post #443 (isolation #95) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:32 pm

You're not voting. There's no reason not to be voting by now given that there isn't any more night info to be revealed. You also haven't said anything about Soren today except he's drunk and I'm not buying that you still thought he was scum when you made that post.

Hinduragi · Post Post #465 (isolation #96) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:19 am

In post 444, Vedith wrote:Sorry Ash, I forgot that many people on the internet aren't too bright.
I admit, that's more my fault than yours from having higher expectations.

Honestly would appreciate if you'd stop flaming me. I considered replacing out because of your D1 stuff and don't like this either.

Hinduragi · Post Post #466 (isolation #97) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:23 am

In post 452, Vedith wrote:
In post 449, Soren wrote:Vedith continues to do nothing to progress the game state.

You are just saying scum without anything to back it.
although Ash looks suspicious to me, he's the only other person really doing this.

Of everyone in the game, I've probably said the most about why people are scum. There's also just the fact that I wanted to PL you earlier. If it seems to you like I'm cruising by calling people scum without saying anything about why, then you need to go back and read my posts.

Hinduragi · Post Post #467 (isolation #98) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:23 am

In post 455, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:if he was scumreading you, why isn't he voting you? or talking about you at all really? and then the attitude today. i dont like it.

Exactly.

Hinduragi · Post Post #468 (isolation #99) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:24 am

In post 458, Vedith wrote:
In post 455, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:if he was scumreading you, why isn't he voting you? or talking about you at all really? and then the attitude today. i dont like it.

I don't see what the rush is when I still want to discuss with Ash more when I get the chance.

I'm not discussing anything with you further if you want to flame me over it.

Hinduragi · Post Post #472 (isolation #100) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:51 am

In post 469, Vedith wrote:
In post 465, Hinduragi wrote:Honestly would appreciate if you'd stop flaming me. I considered replacing out because of your D1 stuff and don't like this either.

I didn't realise that you were sensitive...

I'm not sensitive but I do take issue with the fact that you think insulting people because they call you scum is ok.

Spoiler: What Isn't Ok

Back to where this is game relevant -- If vedith actually was town here and thought I was scum, he wouldn't call me dumb or a moron for suspecting him. Instead, he would think

and even assume or expect

me to push a case on him because town knows scum have to suspect someone. I'm being flamed as some sort of pseudo-defense that is laughable at best.

Unvote; Vote: vedith

Hinduragi · Post Post #473 (isolation #101) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:56 am

That's L-1 for those interested.

Don't feign ignorance if you throw down a surprise hammer. Lucky, I'm looking at you.

If you hammer vedith, I want to know why you think he's scum and I want to see the reasons behind your post and thoughts. No "lol-hammers".

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:05 am

If there is a team of 2, that means it's in Soren/ETL, my top two town reads. Do you really think they're a team? And don't say you think it's me. I want to know if you think it's them. I'm damn obvious town if I do say so myself and if you think I'd make a post at daystart talking about the past night as some sort of shenanigans as scum, you're wrong. Scum-me knows that shit doesn't fly. Town-me doesn't care because I play strongly as town. Throw down: Soren/ETL scumteam? Yes or no.

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:06 am

In post 474, Vedith wrote:1 thing I always find stupid is speed voting in these situations. It shows that you don't care what result will come out of it.

Why would you attack the players presenting an argument over the argument itself when defending yourself if you cared about the result of this game?

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:10 am

Yeah, ok, I'm really not going to take this anymore. Going to leave and think about if I want to replace out or not.

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:11 am

In post 481, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:There is literally zero reason to be so certain that he is town.

Absolutely. None.

The individual things he's done is scummy but I don't feel like he's scum. If he is, he's bringing way too much on himself and making it too obvious. I'm not sure of him. At all. But I did want to push on CN and see what he's up to. It's just hard to generate pressure when he isn't around except to post once or twice while I'm pushing him.

I'll be back later.

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:35 am

In post 488, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 487, Hinduragi wrote:The individual things he's done is scummy but I don't feel like he's scum.

This is... silliness.

I play based on gut. Yes, it's not logical. But people aren't logical; we're playing with people. The rest of that with context does make a lot more sense than just that snippet.

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:38 am

In post 489, Vedith wrote:I started to read Ash's ISO... But I had to stop...
To prevent upsetting Ash, I'm just going to say read day 1...

Read the whole thing and call it dumb.

I don't understand here why there can't be a team mixed of me Lucky or CN?

You should understand.

I mean 10/10 for twisting what I said, Ash. xD

You either think I'm scum or you don't. If I'm a moron for thinking you're scum, you think I'm town. It's very simple.

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:47 am

In post 492, Vedith wrote:
In post 491, Hinduragi wrote:You should understand.

Of course I understand from my side, but I'm talking from your point of view... You said that a team can only be ETL and I forgot the second name, but if I'm scum for you why isn't Lucky or CN my partner?!

That was made immediately after you posted this.

If there is a team which I highly suspect from the bad pushing, that's a loss.

The question was simple: do you think they're a scumteam before ETL unvoted.

Vedith wrote:

In post 491, Hinduragi wrote:You either think I'm scum or you don't. If I'm a moron for thinking you're scum, you think I'm town. It's very simple.

You are one of these kids, I get it... "Oh boy, if you don't think I'm town you are calling me scum" *Spins hat* "Lets battle"

You're being wishy washy on your stance. Which is it

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:19 am

In a situation like that L-1, that's what is being implied to be the case. Nothing further. There's no need to bring anyone else into it if the "team" is pushing your bad wagon. You've still avoided it. It's a simple clarification: yes or no.

You won't ever be certain on me. I play differently than everyone you've been playing with in both playstyle and mannerism. If Lucky's scum, I must be his buddy. It would have been hilarious but I think it was a better shot given what I knew then. (Gummy, if you're reading this: sorry)

But I still think that you are more likely playing bad rather than scum.

Push me all you like 'cause I'm gonna be suspicious. As what? As fuck. That's right, baby. By the way, I'd like to claim scum right now. Lucky's my buddy, hence my ridiculous defense of him throughout this game. I have made no easy decision to link myself to him in every way possible in order to make sure that we both go down fighting. You may lynch either of us first and take out the other the next day. End my suffering.

The fact that you got your own role wrong

Did I? Did my investigation not work out? OOPS, silly me.

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:31 am

Who said I read your comment? I just want a yes or no on whether you think they're scum together or not.

It tells us only that? IDK, MAYBE.

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:44 am

That's literally all I wanted. Them not being scum together is exactly why I'm comfortable hopping on your wagon. It wasn't a scum wagon at all nor was it "scumteam-motivated" because at least 2/3 were town.

In post 498, Vedith wrote:I have reasons to believe CN is town.

I want to hear them.

Before you fly off the handle, I'm not saying you are scum here I am saying that I can't see it being CN or ETL.

I'm not about to start flaming you if you're worried about that. Why ETL > Soren?

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:47 am

Unvote

Hinduragi · Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:29 pm

I know you can't read me and I've come to accept that you won't ever be able to. That's why I'm trying to make it easy on you and let you know that it's 2/3. Even if I'm scum, at least I'm not lying to you here, right?

Spell it out for me in alphabet soup.

Hinduragi · Post Post #504 (isolation #114) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:17 pm

2/3 town on the wagon. Even if I'm scum, I'd say the same thing. Have you been this confused about all of my posts because you seem to be misunderstanding even the most basic of them.

Why's that?

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:26 am

In post 513, Soren wrote:
In post 510, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:so what. i think he's town.

p-edit: NO. NO NL.
Vedith is back to being a town read...?
A town read which I've asked you to explained twice but you have failed to respond.

P sure vedith's town based on my interactions with him. Getting past the troll and dick attitude was pretty hard but once there was actual conversation instead of assholery it was apparent he's not been on the same level throughout this game and has misunderstood a lot of what's happened which explains a lot imo about where his mind state has been in past phases. You may want to read the interaction with him and try to read deep into it and you'll see what I mean. It's rather hard to put into words.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:27 am

In post 526, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:So the argument against Lucky is the hammer yesterday.

The argument against Soren is the scummy dayvig and resulting discussion.

The argument against ETL is she isn't scum hunting.

Argument against me is that I'm lurking.

Argument against Hindu is that he's assuming he's obvtown.

Argument agains Vedith is a mixture of meta and policy.

Ignoring the statistics and card crap, am I caught up now?

Little more than that but I want you to go real talk here: why don't you care about this game? Do you prefer scum or town roles?

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:28 am

In post 525, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
eh.

but lucky is scum and we should lynch him.

Why are you so sure based on the hammer alone? Is there more to it? Why so sure even if there is more? This could potentially be game losing and I think he brings up a good point hence why I wanted to NL earlier just in case of the possibility.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:29 am

Lucky, where are you?

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:31 am

In post 349, Lucky2u wrote:Btw, even though I know it doesn't clear me to have killed a psychotrooper, you can send my gifts to:

LUCKY HAMMERS LIKE A CHAMP!
awesomeville, FL 32777

Just make sure to add "attention his majesty the king of luck"

Really don't like this rather than the hammer. But it doesn't make sense for scum to do considering people called him scum literally as the day ended regardless of flip.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:47 am

You ever played with CN before, ETL, or is it just *magic* that makes you think he's town?

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:00 am

In post 536, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:I've never played with ETL on any of my accounts, but I do think she's pushing a reasonless lucky lynch way harder than is reasonable.

Agreed. But Lucky is scummy as shit in the way he pops in and responds so selectively with so little content at moments where a lot of dicussion is taking place. See above.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:00 am

CN's town, boys.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:07 am

In post 543, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:With the setup the way it is, I don't think anyone's alignment can be proven, and I firmly believe the game is going to be won by scum hunting instead of card speculation. I would even go so far as to say those speculating about cards are scummier because they're distracting the town from its true goals.

There's certain things about the cards that are relevant but a lot of the discussion has been scumhunting. I think you just came in and saw card discussions and got turned off the game by them.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:09 am

In post 541, Lucky2u wrote:I don't wall post Hindu, when I come back it's with multiple posts.

Didn't think you were doing multiples but rather a "one and done" post.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:10 am

To be quite fair, ETL, if you're lyncher, just claim it.

No seriously. I'll let you win with us if you just fucking claim it outright and get the hell out of this game.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:14 am

In post 549, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:i'm not a fucking lyncher... how does that even make sense hindu...

Eliminating the possibility, if I can end the game now, I'd rather just get it over with.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:15 am

....What?

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:17 am

If ETL's lyncher, then she's the reason we're still playing after we killed SK. Easier to just let her win, leave the game, and then we win immediately after.
If ETL's not lyncher, then nothing changes except we know she's not a lyncher.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:17 am

If you check our wincon, town wins when all threats to town have been eliminated. Lyncher = threat to the town. If lyncher wins and leaves the game, town wins. Game over. Boom. Done.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:18 am

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:18 am

Where is lyncher solo winning a thing?

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:21 am

Ok, first hand experience with me is that I've been in some crazy ass games and I've seen third parties win and leave. So, let's do this first.

Mod, if a lyncher were to be in the game and fulfilled their wincon, would the game immediately end with a lyncher winning and everyone else losing or would the lyncher win and leave the game?

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:34 am

In post 564, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:i literally can't believe this idiotic conversation is happening...

At least if you're a lyncher, you can just claim and get outta here.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:49 am

Sigh. I really don't want this game to get stale while we wait for a mod response and I don't see much happening right now. Too many townreads, varying scumreads on random people, everything is pretty much jumbled and I don't really know what to do other than NL because it makes the most sense.

Man, we need to either agree to lynch someone or vote NL and right now the only candidate I see anyone proposing is ETL on Lucky.

Who's in favor of NL?
ETL, if you have actual reasons other than you think Lucky's scum to oppose NL, I want to hear them.

Hinduragi · Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:05 pm

In post 562, Lucky2u wrote:Mod by penguin_alien iirc

You were the lyncher in that game and you said in the dead QT "I don't think town has a chance. If they had allowed me to cooperate, maybe they could have fixed this" meaning you tried to work

with

the town as a lyncher.

Best part? It was an Idea Mafia variant like this.

You also said this.

I always choose lyncher if it comes up, I love the role. I ruined myself this game, combined with the bad luck of BRO hiding behind my target.

So?

Hinduragi · Post Post #578 (isolation #136) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:19 pm

Alright. Well I'm at a point where townreads conflict. Like I said, who wants to NL?

Hinduragi · Post Post #579 (isolation #137) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:23 pm

To be quite fucking honest with you, my feelings. They've been ripped, torn, shredded into pieces, chewed up by a ruminant, digested into cow shit, fermented back into soil as nutrients, reborn and revitalized, and here I am, with a townread on all you fuckers.

Fuck. You.

You know what? I like town, I really do. But I wish I chose third party this game. Just so I could laugh at all of you. And I didn't. I chose to sit here and suffer through this townread hell.

If ANYONE feels my pain, join me and countdown the hours until we finally end this day. This is the true coming.

Hinduragi · Post Post #580 (isolation #138) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:27 pm

I really wish you were scum CN, It would've been so easy to have finished this already. But NOPE. You wanted to choose town so "chances of winning were higher".

This.
Game.

Hinduragi · Post Post #583 (isolation #139) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:30 pm

And you, vedith. You're just an asshole sometimes. Yet you still chose town. At least be MAN ENOUGH to pick scum and THEN call me an idiot. But NO, you wanted to be on my side.

Hinduragi · Post Post #584 (isolation #140) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:32 pm

If I'm going to be lynched, just do it. JUST END IT. For Christ's sake. I just want a NL at this point.

If this is how it ends, so be it. My people know that I tried in this game.

Hinduragi · Post Post #586 (isolation #141) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:37 pm

That is exactly why I've been trying to drive the point home we should NL.

Hinduragi · Post Post #599 (isolation #142) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:54 pm

Not drunk. Just wanted to post and rant. If I'm scum, I'd never do that. Ever. You've never played with me so you don't know this yet. I might do it as scum in future games if I end up posting as much as I have recently. My scum meta has usually been lurking in the past so it's kinda hard to know what I'll do when I do pull scum and I've been posting this much when I'm not scum. I'll likely have to step it up so I'm not caught. My scum play is pure lulz though. I don't think I've ever been active enough as scum to actually have had "good" scum play.

ETL's vig was town because she could've waited as scum and ended the game with that shot. It was scum because, reading one of her past scum games, she might've just wanted to kill things and found the fastest way possible to do just that. I think she's town but like I said, this game kinda sucks for me right now and I don't know.

Hinduragi · Post Post #600 (isolation #143) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:00 pm

My drunk posting is loud and includes many caps. It is top tier. That gives me an idea, actually.

I propose if this comes to LYLO that, once everyone is ready to place the votes down and get the real discussions going, we end this in true drunken mafia fashion. Plan a night, get drunk, and end this like civilized drunken people. Whoever makes it to LYLO should do it. I don't

think

this breaks any site rules.

Hinduragi · Post Post #603 (isolation #144) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:08 pm

Vote: No lynch

Not anymore.

Hinduragi · Post Post #606 (isolation #145) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:20 am

I don't like that Lucky forgot the wincon of his own role in a past game where he "wanted to work with the town" but that's just happen stance and I don't think scum have intent to do so purposefully, only lyncher might. And even then, once everything is mod clarified, I see him working with the town.

Don't think vedith or lucky are happening today because I don't want to vote either at this stage of the game.

Hinduragi · Post Post #612 (isolation #146) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:39 pm

Just in case this NL gets hammered while I'm away for the next few hours, I want my reads known because they've flopped completely. I fell asleep thinking about this game and everyone's reactions to my ranting and this NL situation. Here's basically my stream of consciousness that I went over last night while I was trying to fall asleep.

CN/Soren are basically my strongest town reads now. I really, really am worried ETL's sleeper scum. I still think vedith's town but don't like the fact that, since our argument, he's posted nil next to just role speculation. Slightly worried about Lucky too because too many townreads. ETL's unvote earlier when Lucky was L-1 means she's not trying to end the day soon yet she still didn't want vedith lynched. She also doesn't want to NL at all though so it's not as if she doesn't want to get a lynch either.

Spoiler: Scumteam Shenanigans

I think that's all I have to say about this game so far.

Hinduragi · Post Post #613 (isolation #147) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:41 pm

ETL, why did you unvote vedith immediately?

Hinduragi · Post Post #618 (isolation #148) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:00 pm

I'm talking about the unvote before it was clear to you he was town with his arguments. You voted him and thought he was scum at the time. Why did you unvote immediately?

Hinduragi · Post Post #629 (isolation #149) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:04 am

His 474 is the only thing I see that's relevant to the townread. There's no need to be snappy and assume I didn't read because I did. I just felt there would be more than that post to base it off of. It was very quick to come up with a townread.

A NL can give us information. Not sure why you feel it wouldn't.

Hinduragi · Post Post #632 (isolation #150) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:07 am

Before this comes up, I'm not interested in explaining why. I would rather everyone go into a NL behaving without the knowledge of the rest of the town as to what may and may not give up information.

Hinduragi · Post Post #633 (isolation #151) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:08 am

Oh god why are we explaining this

Hinduragi · Post Post #634 (isolation #152) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:08 am

Just THINK about possible situations ETL, it shouldn't have to be explained

Hinduragi · Post Post #637 (isolation #153) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:11 am

Jesus Christ, it helps, just trust me

Pedit: I'm not treating you like you're dumb, I don't want this info in the open where it influences scum behavior tonight.

Hinduragi · Post Post #638 (isolation #154) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:12 am

I'm not even answering the question of why it would help. I'm saying it shouldn't be answered

Hinduragi · Post Post #640 (isolation #155) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:26 am

ETL is town. No way that's sleeper. If it is, she gets to win this game for all I care.

Hinduragi · Post Post #642 (isolation #156) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:31 am

I will tell you I'm NL'ing just to check my bases before we wrap this thing up and win it. I'm fairly sure scum are screwed and they know as such.

Pedit: it just seemed really fast and I felt pretty paranoid about you so I wanted to clear it up

Hinduragi · Post Post #644 (isolation #157) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:33 am

Pretty much yeah. I feel really good about this game.

Hinduragi · Post Post #646 (isolation #158) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:35 am

That's fine. I haven't claimed but my role is more than meets the eye so I'm fairly sure we can get some info from it.

Hinduragi · Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:17 am

ETL, no hard feelings but this game is definitely weird <3 -- the poker faces are breaking and the cards, well, the cards are just suits and easily fall into their own place within this deck.

Lucky, no words.

Hinduragi · Post Post #657 (isolation #160) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:55 pm

Everyone check in please.

I'll post more content once everyone's checked in and has said what they need to say.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:11 am

I'm here and don't want to say anything more until CN posts. Details to follow.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:30 pm

FTR, still waiting on CN. We aren't voting until then. Don't let scum convince you to do otherwise. This is almost certainly LyLo for us.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:35 pm

Vedith, while we're waiting, I'd like you to formally claim your role card.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:36 pm

No. Role card.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:37 pm

He has not formally claimed but has hinted at it. I want him to clarify it exactly as it is.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:38 pm

In post 676, Soren wrote:There's only one town Jack of all trade card

Yes. I've looked at this list multiple times since he claimed results.

Spoiler: Role List

Tell me if you see ANYTHING there that can RB, Doc, and Cop besides the one JOAT role. I want Vedith to formally claim role card name as soon as he's here.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:38 pm

In post 678, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:Checking in, what you need Hind?

Nothing to add as far as PR's go, right?

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:49 pm

No I didn't, you fucker. Specifically because I WANTED to lull you into a bad fakeclaim that one of us already had the role for. I knew it. I'm the JOAT. I took no action last night because I NL'd specifically to see if you fucks would make a kill and confirm my theory on whether we had no killing 3rd party or killing mafia. I knew it all along. I fakecrumbed Cop of all trades both to draw a NK or force scum into making a NK out of fear of results. I also did so because there's no way in hell I'm giving you my real role as crumbs SPECIFICALLY so you'd do something like this, thinking JOAT isn't a role anyone's drawn. (see: Soren/CN thought I may've been JOAT yesterday so there's no way they had the role)

Spoiler: Mentions trying to draw your NK

OH YOU SHOULD'VE SEEN THIS COMING

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:50 pm

NO DONT CLAIM

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:51 pm

Vedith is confirmed scum. If you don't have any results that clears 2 people(i.e. only clears one person), then don't bother until massclaim time. I was going to propose a massclaim at the start of the day but wanted to see what was posted before I did. Now we don't have to. Massclaim after today but certainly no need to massclaim today unless you have relevant results to me vs vedith.

Vote: Vedith

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:53 pm

Oh, and by the way, my "Alignment Card"?

Yeah, it's SAULUS. The ONLY card in that deck that's unique and ALWAYS starts off as town hence why it confirms me as town. I already claimed my result. I breadcrumbed Saulus far far before in D1 or such when I was telling you all I had a card that confirms me as town.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:53 pm

In post 688, Soren wrote:So Vedith is scum lying about his role card?

Guaranteed.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:54 pm

That's why I wanted a formal role claim and I wanted to make sure there aren't any other roles with Cop/Doc/RB in the deck.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:54 pm

Oh fuck me. It's fucking Judas, not Saulus. Fuck me in the ass.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:56 pm

In post 692, Vedith wrote:If you believe that a JOAT won't use his power...

LEL

I NL'd specifically to get you to make a NK, bro. That's why I didn't want to tell ETL anything about why I'm NL'ing. You fell for it. I needed confirmation I wasn't against some bullshit third party role with no NK. I would NEVER RB or Doc when I WANT scum to make a NK. See: my PM to Marquis postgame or in the dead thread when I took no action. It's far more of a mindfuck game if you did No Kill but I was pretty sure scum wouldn't be able to resist.

I was right.

Hinduragi · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:57 pm

In post 695, Vedith wrote: doesn't even know his cards...

^Your 696 just confirmed you btw

You're posting stream of consciousness and this is the first thought when in your mind, I should be CONFIRMED SCUM cc'ing you. Your second thought is "oh shit thats not my right frame of mind, better show that I think it's a scumslip lol"

Hinduragi · Post Post #705 (isolation #177) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:00 pm

In post 701, Soren wrote:Judas is the one that starts as townie and gets turned into mafia if they get lynched, right Hindu?

Yes. I confirmed twice to be sure before I picked cards and the lynching thing only applies if it's your role card. It's only "town" with no factional powers if it's my alignment card.

Hinduragi · Post Post #707 (isolation #178) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:02 pm

In post 704, Soren wrote:How did you get saulus and Judas mixed up, Hindu?

Jewish names or something and they're basically the same role reversed. I've got serious adrenaline right now and I'm feeling the bloodlust in the 1v1. I really want this and I'm very excited. If you've ever played a shooter game and you're the last one left alive vs. a bunch of people and you have to make plays, that's what this feels like. I fucking love this but I'm also very very prone to mistakes posting as fast as possible when I do it

Hinduragi · Post Post #709 (isolation #179) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:03 pm

In post 702, Vedith wrote:
In post 699, Hinduragi wrote:I should be CONFIRMED SCUM cc'ing you. Your second thought is "oh shit thats not my right frame of mind, better show that I think it's a scumslip lol"

You realise what a scum slip is right?
It's not what I know your alignment is, it's how you fucked up.

It's how your mind works. And that was your first thought which you posted quite too soon without thinking about it, something you need to be very careful of and just messed up.

Hinduragi · Post Post #713 (isolation #180) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:06 pm

It has to be 2 scum left for you to offer yourself up on a golden plate. Me cc'ing here is common sense when someone blatantly fakeclaims my role.

Your actions N2 make no sense. You don't try to obscure information like "scum with a nk" from town when you want that to happen.

Hinduragi · Post Post #717 (isolation #181) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:10 pm

In post 712, Vedith wrote:
In post 709, Hinduragi wrote:It's how your mind works. And that was your first thought which you posted quite too soon without thinking about it, something you need to be very careful of and just messed up.

I was already voting you and called you out...
That's when you fucked up with the scum slip, learn the difference.

If you're trying to tilt me with insults, it's not working because now I know you're scum and you've been doing so purposefully the entire time. Seriously, operating with that knowledge makes this game A LOT EASIER. I have you right here and you're trying to attempt to just make me mad or something when really, I just want to see you hang and don't care what you say because nothing you say matters at this point. There's no possibility you're town. There's no possibility you genuinely mean what you say. You've been lying through your teeth the entire time. And you fucked up. You fucked it all up when you claimed my role.

You did slip. I made a simple mistake of mistaking my alignment card, something I haven't looked at since I chose it, for it's doppelganger. You slipped in that there's no way you truly believe I made a "scum slip" when your first thought

and

post is that "doesn't know his cards" because that's what you truly know. That's an actual slip. Learn the difference.

Hinduragi · Post Post #720 (isolation #182) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:12 pm

In post 714, Vedith wrote:What are you talking about? xD
If there was no NK from blocking Soren it would have confirmed that he is scum...

LOL

No it wouldn't. See, you didn't think this out enough.

I confirmed with Marquis before NL yesterday that, if I block someone, would I be informed I successfully blocked? Guess what? The answer's no. There's no way to know the scum faction left has no NK if I NL and RB someone. You don't have any more info than what you started with. Your fakeclaim sucks and you didn't fact-check it through and through. Now you're caught.

IM GONNA ENJOY LYNCHING YOU SO MUCH VEDITH

Hinduragi · Post Post #722 (isolation #183) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:13 pm

Noone's getting lynched but you, vedith. Continue squirming, though, it makes me smile.

Hinduragi · Post Post #724 (isolation #184) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:15 pm

The entire point of the NL was to see if scum had a NK or not. If anyone's fucking stupid, it's you because you can't even see why, as town, I would want to NL in the first place despite Soren/ETL going at it yesterday.

Hinduragi · Post Post #728 (isolation #185) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:17 pm

LOL

Yeah, spin your web of lies so you can try to get as many town as possible on board with you as you go down rather than accusing the ones who want to vote you already.

Hinduragi · Post Post #729 (isolation #186) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:19 pm

In post 727, Vedith wrote:
In post 724, Hinduragi wrote:The entire point of the NL was to see if scum had a NK or not. If anyone's fucking stupid, it's you because you can't even see why, as town, I would want to NL in the first place despite Soren/ETL going at it yesterday.

Why do scum not have a night kill?

There can be third party without a NK in this game. No Kill on N1 meant we didn't know if we eliminated the only faction with a NK or not. We NL'd to see if scum had that NK. I no action'd so I wouldn't affect the possibility of a NK that night. There was a kill. Scum have a NK. Then you fakeclaimed my own role.

Hinduragi · Post Post #731 (isolation #187) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:27 pm

In post 730, Soren wrote:Look Vedith you're not winning this. You've been scummy all game. You ask people for their cards but gave no further analysis or comment on them. You just accepted it and probably noted it down on your scumpad so you can prepare for a fakeclaim. If you were town you would at least question it. Also when you were put at L-1 yesterday the normal thing to do would be to claim your cards. But guess what, you didn't. Why? Because you're scum and didn't want to claim yet without enough information to make sure you make the right fake claim. Instead you resorted to posting some misslynch babble in hopes to save your ass. Which paid off so good job on that part.

In post 659, Vedith wrote:CN is town. - Doc night 1 (no kill)
Soren is town. - RB night 2 (1 kill)

So unless someone has any other reason why a kill would or wouldn't go through, it's an automatic win and scum are in Lucky and/or Hinduragi
And these results you're making so many assumptions. So what if you saved CN on night 1? Doesn't confirm him as town. He could be scum from a different faction. And also there could be an alien faction which explains a no kill.

And you thinking I'm town because you role blocked me but a kill also went through is you slipping. Because here you assume there is only one scum. Why would you assume that? Because you're the last scum. Nice slip.

True. But Vedith claiming results is weird. Did he think we'd lynch lucky then me? Why kill ETL, who's the biggest pusher of Lucky? I think you're right and that he thought I was going to be cop of all trades or something or he didn't even factor in my role into his fakeclaim. It only makes sense he's in a team if he's with lucky and lucky dies and he's "confirmed town". Solo it makes sense but only if he's banking on an easy Lucky mislynch into trying to finally lynch me, something he's been pushing for all game.

No matter what, if he's solo, he's DEFINITELY grade-A fucked now that I've CC'd. If he's in a team, like I said, this is his last shot at winning the game and he's already scumslipped too hard to stand a chance.

Hinduragi · Post Post #736 (isolation #188) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:32 pm

Lucky, if you're town, I'm having words postgame. This is more than non optimal play on your part.

If he wanted Lucky Lynched I don't get why he killed ETL who was the only one pushing for a lucky lynch. Maybe he thought after his results, Lucky scum would be apparent enough for people to vote him?

That's what I'm saying. It makes no sense except that he was scared I'd be doc'd and needed a kill on an experienced player or he's solo and didn't want etl to question him whereas he's been back and forth with me throughout this entire game so he felt more comfortable up against that.

Hinduragi · Post Post #737 (isolation #189) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:33 pm

In post 735, Soren wrote:What is this cop of all trades you keep mentioning about Hindu? I don't see it in the role list.

1-shot cop of all the alignments or something like that. It's down the list.

Hinduragi · Post Post #738 (isolation #190) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:38 pm

In post 732, Lucky2u wrote:If he is town I'm OK lynching him knowing it's still his fault for being bad at CCing.

This is so fucking bad. I'm very sure Lucky's scum with him. No town or player in their right mind posts they're ok with losing the game knowing someone made a mistake with a claim.

Hinduragi · Post Post #739 (isolation #191) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:39 pm

After I die tonight, please lynch Lucky.

Hinduragi · Post Post #743 (isolation #192) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:07 pm

I'm off to bed, I'll let Ash cry over this evidence.

NO

YOU STAY RIGHT HERE

YOU CAN RESPOND AS SOON AS I POST MY RESPONSE TO YOUR WALL. YOU DONT GET TO RUN NOW. CMON, SCARED?

If you're worried about bed, it won't be long. Your case is bad and I'm about 1/4 through it already. Stay.

Hinduragi · Post Post #744 (isolation #193) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:08 pm

In post 742, Lucky2u wrote:Dude... What?

If it's not clear to you already, he's scum. If there's ANY chance in hell you're town, you're reading me ENTIRELY wrong. I don't post this much as scum ever nor do I get fired up and make mistakes like that as scum.

Hinduragi · Post Post #745 (isolation #194) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:28 pm

Asking for a flash wagon on you isn't rushing D1 nor is it scummy. Wagons end RVS faster and give a lot more info than keeping the game in RVS.

Next is speculation. Especially in D1. It's common sense I didn't want to vote the only person who discard a scum card and I explained why by doing the math. Something you've conveniently forgotten in your case.

I like to apply pressure to people. Asking for a dayvig is a good method to do so.

180 on Lucky is obvious. He has posts that are scummy as fuck and that was the first of them. That shouldn't be confusing at all. Your case is so weak.

That isn't fence sitting. At all. In fact it's just explaining why I don't like Soren at the time. You really struggled to make this case, didn't you?

My God. I just realized half your case is "scum points for Lucky" or "scum points for Soren". You aren't even making a case against ME but against Lucky/Soren as my buddy. Jesus. Christ.

Response to 126 is fluff and doesn't say anything except that you're laughing at my post.

Now you've started making points against me. 161 is me wanting to kill fluffy because I wasn't taking the game seriously but also wanted him to post. Then when he did, I started to believe he was scum. I'm actually very sorry about this and plan to apologize to gummy postgame because that was pretty bad play on my part and the vigging was basically all my fault as ETL didn't plan to shoot him in the first place.

I started to townread aphix after thinking about his ISO more. There wasn't much substance to "he's scum because he's hasn't said a lot" and I didn't like the chances of him being scum. Swapping and swapping back on reads is something town are more likely to do than scum.

231, nope. I townread both from their frustration with each other. Like I said, I had too many townreads throughout the game and I didn't even know if I was looking for scum hence why I NL'd. Third party tells are a lot harder than scumtells so I nl'd to see if there was a NK. If there wasn't, it was likely third party which explains the townreads. Luckily there was a kill.

243 makes no sense but I'm not even going to bother responding to these posts where you just say "scum points for lucky" or "scum points for soren". Soren had just randomvigged here, obviously I'm going to be pissed.

297 - clearly I'm doubting who scum are because I have too many townreads.

343...no. Just no. This was the one part of your fakeclaim that you thought about so there's nothing to "dispute" here except whether I'm lying or you're lying.
'
395 - you should stop saying "scum points for lucky" and "scum points for soren". It's getting old. You're making a case against me. At least be man enough to come out and accuse me of things.

403 - I needed to cover all my bases. He was the last person I hadn't townread.

416 - I'm always confident and I always think of myself as obvtown, especially when people had a townread on me. Sure, it pings some people but it's never an alignment tell. Anyone fooling themselves otherwise is messing with wifom

424 - I defend people I think may flip town. I was also tired of their back and forth because it was clogging the thread up

428 - Yes, you're "confident" lucky's the scum partner yet you've failed to even make a proper case against me but instead just linked me to a player you pre-determined while reading through my posts.

583 - I'm not acting nice to you. I misread you as town.

And you, vedith. You're just an asshole sometimes. Yet you still chose town. At least be MAN ENOUGH to pick scum and THEN call me an idiot. But NO, you wanted to be on my side.

How is this being nice to you? Because I said "you're town"? That's not being nice. In fact, you've failed to be nice to me the entire time. If this was face to face mafia, this game would have played out very differently.

584 - "only scum say lych me.."? Really? I just said it and it proves you wrong. Not to mention that plenty of people say lynch me and it has nothing to do with an alignment...nor a case. You're grasping at straws while trying to make a case against me of why I'm scum.

670-672 - I clearly don't know what you're claiming and am playing it safe as well as making sure you are the JOAT and there aren't any other roles that can RB/Cop/Doc. I've already mentioned this. I think it's almost certainly LyLo because I don't see scum claiming results and my role unless they can end the game today, something they can only do if it's a scumteam.

677 - yes, yes it is. That's why I asked you to clarify. This isn't even a "scum point" as you put it.

685 - I wanted the "no dont claim" to be posted before CN claimed so I didn't put my vote into my post because I saw your post telling him to claim. (which was actually extremely scummy)

My 689 is a clear mistake and, as I said before, is just that. It's very easy to get in the moment and get excited when someone claims your role and to mess up. In fact, I'm sure it makes you feel a lot better knowing I messed up but it's not even alignment telling.

Hinduragi · Post Post #747 (isolation #195) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:34 pm

If you're really running off to bed so you don't have to stick around, then I'm quite sad. When I'm cc'd as town, I always stay up specifically because I love this game and it excites me. I'll stay up and tell you exactly why you're scum and I'm town until 6 am if I have to. This is one of the funnest parts about the game. Don't leave now.

Lucky. Hint: I'm town. Vedith's scum. He doesn't even know why we nl'd yesterday nor why I wouldn't use my rb when I'm specifically wanting scum to make a nk, which he did.

Hinduragi · Post Post #748 (isolation #196) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:38 pm

No really, vedith has clearly not followed my line of thinking through this game at all. His claim makes no sense and his reasoning for said claim is that it confirms Soren didn't make the NK unless I'm the buddy. But Soren's now town and he's against you, which is what his original line of thinking when making the claim was in the first place.

I'm betting he picked a really scummy role to have to fakeclaim something this badly. His whole argument is that I'm on a scumteam with someone. Read that case. Read it. He literally spends half the case trying to link me to you and Soren. If I'm solo-scum here, I'm not cc'ing. And you know I'm not scum with you and Soren knows I'm not scum with him. This shit makes no sense. This is a terrible fakeclaim.

Hinduragi · Post Post #749 (isolation #197) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:40 pm

In post 725, Vedith wrote:Actually, you know what. I think it's Lucky and Ash...
Let me post why...

Are you really switching to Lucky because he got more "scum points" than Soren when linked to me? Is that really your entire reasoning?

Hinduragi · Post Post #751 (isolation #198) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:50 pm

Oh come on. Mixing up Judas and Saulus is an easy thing to do. I haven't looked at which is which since I confirmed my alignment card.

Hinduragi · Post Post #753 (isolation #199) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:58 pm

Alright. Well soon you'll see that everyone makes mistakes. Basing a LyLo off of that is really, really bad though. No really. Postgame I don't want to hear excuses.