Micro 557 - Badass female u-pick - game over

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OK. You're town. I'm town. One day only pass. You could claim scum, I still defend you.

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VOTE: RC

*Awaits the tempest*

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VOTE: Starbuck

I don't know you.

Hi. I'm Mandie. I like taking long hikes with my dog, reading (currently on the 5th book of the Outlander series), video games, and genealogy.

I was on the site forever ago, it seems, but I came back last month after a 2 1/2 year hiatus.

*waves*

Are you in the Navy?

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Are you in the Navy?

Asking the important questions I see.

Does it really bother you?

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It shouldn't be.

Dog and occupations are serious business.

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x.x

Didn't mean to be invasive. I saw you lived in Jacksonville and I know they have a big navy base there (my uncle was stationed there once). The school you list in your profile also made me think you had some sort of military connection.

Jacksonville's a nice town, I remember liking it.

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Seriously, 20 questions. Who is in?

I already told you where mine's from.

You want me to do you?

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@TTH, Don't see where.

Sure.

Look harder.

Is she from a movie?

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Well, we will get there eventually. No~

Book?

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That really narrows it down. -.-

Was the book published before 1850?

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Do you know why I am asking?

I think I do.

Did you figure mine out yet?

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@TTH, not a clue

Disappointed.

Also a little disappointed you're not Sandra Bullock's character from A Time to Kill. That's how I imagine you.

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Are you Nancy Grace?

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I didn't mean in the game... >.>

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You picked Oprah?

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Nope. More like once everyone claims flavor my night action becomes infinitely trackable.

On that note, have you figured mine out yet?

If not, I'll give you a hint and tell you it's in my first post.

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Correct play. Wrong character.

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:3

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Interesting fact, she was actually my 3rd choice. I very much doubt anyone picked my first two, so I'm assuming farside did that to match my role to flavor in a balanced setup.

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Sycorax

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Unfortunately, Edgar Allan Poe's women are usually weak or victimized so I didn't have much to choose from there.

But Shakespeare's women are hardcore.

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CUddleyKitteh, so are you the dog head or that evil cat head in the picture?

Hey sweetie, could you please make a post telling me what your alignment is? I'm asking for a full sentence saying if you're town or scum.

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CUddleyKitteh, so are you the dog head or that evil cat head in the picture?

Hey sweetie, could you please make a post telling me what your alignment is? I'm asking for a full sentence saying if you're town or scum.

Radiant and Starbuck, I would also like this from you please. :3

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I am not talking to you, stupid.

Hi Jeanne. ^_^/~

Now is probably a good time for you to stop posting tonight. What you're doing now is in no way healthy for the gamestate and you'll make more productive posts after you've had some time to cool off.

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I'm not the arbiter of what people can and can't do. That would be farside, and she'll probably give you a warning for that post.

I'm saying what I'm saying because I think you're town, I also think there's a good chance Malakittens is town, and I think there are a ~few~ other people who need to start talking.

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VOTE: Frozen Jeanne

Just getting a bad feeling from Frozen here.

Hi!

CUddleyKitteh, so are you the dog head or that evil cat head in the picture?

Hey sweetie, could you please make a post telling me what your alignment is? I'm asking for a full sentence saying if you're town or scum.

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I'm far from sold on a Firebringer wagon.

Oh, oops. Where I am from we have beaten the lie detector-esque roles into the ground so I went on instinct. It was not my intention to ruin your plan. I thought I would help by bringing that would into the open.

I'm kind of wondering why you jumped in on it when you're not one of the people I asked to do it. :S

Thinking Firebringer is trying to circumvent it when he's demonstrated his tenuous grasp of what's going on is another matter. Unless he's from the same site you're on and knows the "loophole" I'm not quite sure why that would be your first thought here.

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Show me where you've hunted rather than making a bs statement like that

I have already stated who I think is scum.

Scum
Frozen Jeanne
Titus
Elyse
CuddlyKitteh
TTH
Radiant Cowbells
Starbuck
Suzune

Null

I have no strong town reads.

That's a terrible reads list.

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An obvious weakness is that Starbuck and Radiant are near the bottom.

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I prefer to don't look at it at all. what are your reads FB. I asked you to give me something

-Frozen

I already stated my reads.

If anyone has a free vig kill handy, I'll go ahead and tell you I don't plan on using my action on Firebringer.

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So far I've accumulated pretty decent townreads on: Suzune, Frozen Jeanne, Elyse, and Firebringer.

Suzune is probably the strongest of all those because they really only make sense from an uninformed standpoint. A good example of this is Post 450. She expresses what looks like a gut-based suspicion on a high-profile target (Titus), but she doesn't take any ammo into the battle. She doesn't pad it with reasons and is honest about the self-assessment of her case. Another thing that I really like that she picked up on was Elyse in Post 583. For one, it's a really valid point and it even had me wondering about Elyse for a second. It's a great thing to pick up on and she doesn't just opportunistically jump on it and hammer Elyse into the ground over it. She points it out and gives Elyse the opportunity to explain it. It tells me that Suzune's not just narrowly focused or just spreading suspicion around. If she's scum here I would be really impressed, but I think she's town and playing a pretty good game.

The Jeanne head of the Frozen Jeanne hydra has a rampant persecution complex and I frankly don't think she would be

that

committed to faking one as scum. Frozen Angel's posts have been generally good and I have yet to see any real red flags from those.

Elyse is a smart lady. Though I have yet to read any games of hers, I would guess she's also a pretty good mafia player and likely has had a great deal of success in her previous games. At the risk of falling into the "competency implies town" trap I'm going to townread her anyway, partly because I'm letting the irrational part of my brain take over here and partly because it just makes things easier to dispense with that kind of paranoia. Her subtle clarification of her points on Firebringer I see as a lot more likely coming from town than scum.

Even though he's been pretty committed to being an obstructionist, has kind of a crappy way of approaching reads, and is being irritatingly stubborn right now I think it's more likely Firebringer is town than not. I've seen his scum game before and I know that he knows how to tickle the mass' funny bone. That doesn't seem like it would include adopting an "everyone is scum but me" strategy.

This leaves the lower echelon of the readslist at: Starbuck, Titus, RadiantCowbells, CuddlyKitteh

Starbuck and Radiant have been largely absent.

The Titus read for me remains elusive. I have to admit it's

so

tempting to townread her based on her earlygame antics but I know good and well Titus' bread and butter in her scum game is controlling, or trying to control, the direction the discussion goes in. I'm still waiting for something to put her squarely in the town pile of my reads and I haven't quite been able to nail it down yet.

The Malakittens head of the CuddlyKitteh hydra is hitting some pretty good notes. The general movement of the reads

looks

pretty organic. But I'm not stoked about the Soren head's posting, and his posts range from null to worrisome. Specific examples can be found in Post 370 and Post 547. The commentary is very disjointed and detached with a trace scent of tunnel vision. It also doesn't add up to any sort of cogent conclusion or reads. It's just a sort of compilation of pot shots. It might make more sense once I get a clearer idea of how this hydra chemistry works but that'll take a little time.

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this vote actually gives me a good feeling.

Same here.
UNVOTE:

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My gut doesn't feel good about Suzune. I don't trust her. I don't get how anyone can be confident in Suzune as town or scum atm.

You know, I took the time to write a whole paragraph about it. :\

this vote actually gives me a good feeling.

Same here.
UNVOTE:

Why?

Pending the explanation, but I think I have a pretty good idea about how it's going to go. It's a marker I would expect RC's scumhunting method to pick up on.
If RC was to fake an entering read, I would expect a different target.

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Spoiler: Jeanne and Frozen

Hi there. :3

I've been following your posting for a while. As an outsider to your earlier game conversations and someone with absolutely

no

vendetta against either of you, my assessment of your behavior this game is that you've been irrationally paranoid and excessively hostile. Unfortunately, your choleric attitude has only succeeded in alienating most of players in this game.

I'm not saying this to be mean or to put you down. I'm saying this because I'm almost certain you're town and I'm can't say the same about both Titus and CuddlyKitteh. Whatever valid points you may or may not have against them are getting swallowed up in this awful maw of butthurt and bitterness. My suggestions would be to post less frequently, not feel like you have to have the last word in your engagements with Titus, and consolidate your points against your scumreads into a longer post.

That's really all I have to say. I hope something I said resonates with you.

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I don't understand why people continue to interact with the Jeanne slot

Can we like just lynch it?

~M

Hi! ^_^/

What role does Soren play in the hydra, Mala?

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Then there was a scum-tell replace out that Jeanne almost said (which I think if I remember it correctly) is huge for her scum-meta.

What are the numbers on this?

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Do you remember what the game was?

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Elementary school robotics? o.O

Smart kids.

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soren answer strangely convinced me about her actions so far.

Strange indeed. The post didn't do much for me.

What are your scumreads, Soren?

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TTH whats your read on Titus and Elyse ?

-Frozen

They are in my recent posting and I don't have the inclination to go find links right now. >_>

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VOTE: Frozen Angel / Jeanne hydra

whose a little scum again!

yes you are!

I like this post a lot less than your previous one. :\

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Not really.

I'm really waiting on RC and Starbuck to post since those are key slots I have next to nothing on.

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VOTE: Elyse

Anyway, most of what I said earlier still applies. Townreading everyone who posts and just scumreading lurkers, incredibly insincere.

I wasn't really on FJ for alignment reasons anyway.

Alright-y...

Do you have any more scumreads besides that one on Elyse?

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Hey ladies, about halfway through reading. I'll have some substance up for you tonight.

Pinky swears.

Spoiler:

I'm holding you to that.

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Hey ladies, about halfway through reading. I'll have some substance up for you tonight.

Pinky swears.

I can forgive getting stood up, but violating the sanctity of the pinky swear?

That's just low.

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While we're waiting...

Radiant,

VOTE: Elyse

Load of bunk.

I've read and caught up at this point but I don't have the time or energy to explain what I'm seeing here at this time. I'll get to it

What exactly was it you were referring to as a "Load of bunk."?

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Also, how many people just kind of glazed over this?

Nope. More like once everyone claims flavor my night action becomes infinitely trackable.

Is there a particular reason why it needs further exploration right now?

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And jeez, wtf.

How am I the only person voting Elyse right now?

Because you're spending your time making these kinds of information-less garbage posts instead of elaborating on why you're scumreading her.

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VOTE: Starbuck

Ran out of patience.

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I don't really care about it. :\

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I've been sitting here waiting very patiently for anything even remotely resembling an attempt at content and Starbuck has padded her catch up posts while artfully working to avoid providing any. It's mostly a compilation of quips that blend in with the general annoyance at the Frozen Jeanne hydra without providing a definitive read. That little blurb about Firebringer is another crack at an "opinion" but it falls really flat in that the case is mostly misstated and the safe, negative position is taken.

I still have my eye on CuddleyKitteh. The case on Firebringer presented in Post 791 lacks a smoking gun that I would expect to see leading up to a vote. It's also weird that the less involved head ended up making that vote when there really wasn't that much indication that Mala was looking Firebringer's way.

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Then fucking vote me because if you're going to sit and let people vote me without doing anything about it you might as well be doing it yourself.

Quit being a drama queen.

Now that we're down to the wire and weighing lynches, I think Starbuck is far superior to RC or Firebringer because the noise to signal ratio on her is infinitesimally close to zero. The same can't be said of the alternatives. What's more insidious is that Starbuck's is dressed up to look like she's contributing but, in reality, she's not.

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RC, I'm not getting lynched. You might as well not be voting.

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Why? What's your read on me?

Still in the "not town" half of my readslist.

My readslist hasn't changed since Post 623.

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I can't really blame them. Your posting in this game has been largely shit.

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Where did I talk about a policy lynch? :S

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I think it's because I hurt your feeweings. :3

Tough. Your play has been shit this game and I won't be particularly sad if you get lynched for it.

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Sturbuck ?

Not a policy lynch at all. Are you reading my posts?

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I mean, you could be town I guess, given that I've misread you before.

But it seems pretty clear from the way that you're talking that you do know that I'm town, whether it's because you're scum or not.

You should act like it.

Those are... some sentences.

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Right. You have a nice day, RC.

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I read them and I can't see any other reason than her inactivity = a policy lynch .

Where did I say that?

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Right. You have a nice day, RC.

And if you have a problem with me treating you like my crazy uncle after he's had too much to drink at Thanksgiving, maybe you should stop acting like him.

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You make posts that don't invite further conversation and then you want to whine about being dismissed?!

X_x

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Okay, let's start with this.

Based on your reactions to my play I get the definite impression that you do in fact think I'm town, and are being "dismissive" because you don't feel any particular impetus to sort me at the moment.

Do you agree or disagree?

I'd say you're more likely town than scum, but I can't articulate it or satisfactorily prove it to myself yet. Regardless of if I achieve this today or not, I have no interest in lynching you so it's really not that pressing.

In short, agree.

Right. You have a nice day, RC.

And if you have a problem with me treating you like my crazy uncle after he's had too much to drink at Thanksgiving, maybe you should stop acting like him.

If you have a problem with the way I'm playing I'll gladly step out, but this is the way I am.

Bull.

I know you have thought processes and from my admittedly limited experience with you I gather you largely rely on gut, intuition, and tone based reads. That's why I was kind of surprised to see that your scumread on Elyse wasn't based on the approach she's taken to her Firebringer push. I recall you gave a more generalized answer about her scumreads being correlated with activity. The all-caps "YOURE A SCUMBUTT" posts or raw declaration posts aren't bothersome, but if those are your

only

kinds of posts there's really no way to know if your reads are substantive or not. Ultimately, presenting legitimate reads is the most readable thing you can do.

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I've been sitting here waiting very patiently for anything even remotely resembling an attempt at content and Starbuck has padded her catch up posts while artfully working to avoid providing any. It's mostly a compilation of quips that blend in with the general annoyance at the Frozen Jeanne hydra without providing a definitive read. That little blurb about Firebringer is another crack at an "opinion" but it falls really flat in that the case is mostly misstated and the safe, negative position is taken.

^ here

your voting her because she simply couldn't catch up with game as your saying it ...

If its not a policy lynch your suggesting then what is it?

But I'm kind of surprised that Star show up right after the accusations ...

-Frozen

You quoted the post and then misstated what was in the post.

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I'm disappointed that Starbuck has seemingly successfully managed to twist the scumreads on her into being about policy and inactivity when they aren't and never were.

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I can't.

Which is exactly the point.

Starbuck uses a lot of words and takes up a lot of space making dry comments about events, but they aren't particularly informative of Starbuck's methods to form reads. When you try to dig into the meat of her content, I find that the reads themselves are either woefully unsupported or just downright awful like that Elyse vote.

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Precisely

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VOTE: CuddlyKitteh

Is this still on the table for you?

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I'm not optimistic about the chances of Firebringer actually flipping scum for reasons I've already gone over, but I'll vote him if the only alternative is Elyse.

I'm pretty disappointed with how these wagons ended up.

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she's stating that I'm shallow which is akin to mollie saying that my posts, in the now-finished Prozac Large Game, were "surface" when I'm giving y'all all that I got.

When pirate mollie and I actually agree on something, that's a pretty good indicator that there might be something to what's being said.

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Wait mollie joined this game?

No, but my assessment of the type of posts Starbuck is making this game is very similar to mollie's apparent characterization in another game.

It makes me reconsider the read now that I've seen that.

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Wait mollie joined this game?

No, Prozac's game just ended. I can talk about it now.

I'm going to tell you the same thing I told RC. Since I don't have any insight into your sorting process from what you've posted, I don't have a townread on you.

I also won't spend much time trying to pull something out of you. I operate under the assumption that people will prioritize and spend time doing what they want to do on their own. I actually look at that when I'm forming my reads.

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Mollie was saying that my posts in Prozac's game, towards the beginning, were "surface" and "not worth reading." At one point, she said "every time when I read 1 of your posts blood seeps out of every orifice of my body cos I think they are mindbleedingly awful."

That seems uncharacteristically harsh for mollie. :S

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Oh I believe you. It just surprised me a little.

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Intent to hammer Firebringer.

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I am town.

I am a member of the town.

I am aligned with the town.

I win when all anti-town elements no longer exist.

I ran my lie detect on this post and didn't get any results. I'm pretty certain I know what kind of role is responsible for what happened to me and RC last night.

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My lynch pool is Starbuck and Suzune too, I was debating between investigating them last night. I'm more inclined to think it's Starbuck for a few reasons that I'll go into tonight.

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OK, so I fibbed a little. I'm not doing a Starbuck case now because I have birthday / family / holiday stuff for a couple days. In fact,

Farside, I'll effectively be V/LA until Monday.

I'll go ahead and claim since I'm pretty convinced I won't be able to use any of my abilities anyway. I'm a JoaT. I have a one-shot lie detector ability, which is why I asked for statements from a few people, and a one-shot doctor ability.

The role I was speaking about before that interrupted both RC and I is, I believe, the variant of jailkeeper that also makes the target ascetic. I had such a role in Disney UPick.

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I just did. >:S

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Correct.

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Happy birthday btw

Thanks. It's tough competing with Jesus for attention.

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It's OK, I get twice the half-assed cards from relatives I barely know so that makes up for it!

Merry Christmas to you too! ^_^

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Also, would there be any way for me to persuade you to not lynch Starbuck?

I'm really not feeling it.

I'll think about it.

What do you think is exculpatory in the Firebringer interactions?

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I can point out some of the things that I saw and looked at but I doubt you'll get anything from them.

Try me.

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I have to say, that's pretty weak.

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So I note that not only is there a lot of discourse between them, but it's extremely casual and there's nothing whatsoever off in their discussion.

It's casual because they're talking about dogs and past games. Not necessarily high impact things.

The rest of your defense is pretty much working from the premise the Starbuck is already town. Her presence on the Elyse counterwagon doesn't seem to faze you, which it should. And Firebringer's extent of posting about Starbuck isn't anything outside the realm of plausible scum interaction.

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Don't give me a condescending facepalm.

I know you're using your usual tonal/gut-based read and I also know those are subjective craps shoots.

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I don't really get where the case on Fire is coming from at this point. I see accusations of him not reading, but I can't really blame him for not reading given the word vomit of the past however many pages to this point.

seems like the least damning.

The defense where she

misstates the case presented against him

is the

least

damning?

What standard are you using for that?

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I'll mull it over for the next few days.

It's weird to me that Suzune would say she believes Firebringer's gladiator claim knowing full well it's bullshit and it's weird Cuddley would be pushing Firebringer's wagon the way they did. I would pick Starbuck's interactions as scum over either of those any day.

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I'm no good at setup speculation.

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I guess the question is if I accept there's a discrete rolestopping ability outside the jailkeeper.

My first instinct is no. :S

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VOTE: CuddlyKitteh

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That's the second time now I got burned by "too bad to be scum."

Poop

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New sig for TTH's benefit.

Cute.

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Only if you run through the case on Elyse first. I thought she was pretty obviously town from the get-go.

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Of course.

How could I have been so foolish to not see that bulletproof logic?