Micro 567: Kids with Guns - Game Over

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VOTE: Arcangel9

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Wow this wagon is actually genius.

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Hey advantage.

Intent To Hammer:

(expired on 2016-01-13 02:53:58)

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Revision: (expired on 2016-01-12 13:31:42)

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Cancel Intent

Advantage confirmed not suicide bomber.

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Goddamnit he wasn't actually at L-1 Arcangel you ruined it.

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Yeah, I fucked up by not counting the votes. The VC post before mine didn't actually have the vote count in it yet, it just said "VC". I think mod could confirm.

At least we managed to skip rvs I guess.

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Will catchup/respond tomorrow, sorry.

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Sorry I've been busy.

I upgrade my former RVS vote on AA to a real one at this point. A lot of these points were probably already covered but anyways.

I really don't like what she was doing in the advantage wagon. Basically she runs him up to L-1 (which leaves him vulnerable or at least forces a claim), which isn't a terrible move if you are doing it for pressure and to gauge a reaction. From what I can tell she was 100% serious about actually having the man lynched though, and what makes it really bad is her actions afterwards. From how she continued to want his lynch and her not really explaining otherwise it's safe to say she was entirely willing to go all the way in the quicklynch even before hearing the claim.

Essentially she didn't like the VT claim and wanted him lynched for it. Now I want everyone to pay attention: ArcAngel is not a new player, she has years of experience and over 6000 posts. She brought advantage to L-1 which forced him to claim, and then wanted to lynch him for claiming VT. Either she had such a strong read that she wanted him lynched regardless of claim, or she wanted him to lie about being VT, and she really believes in some weird lynch-all-VT-claims policy (?!!). Not to mention even if he fake claimed a power role the misinformation could really mess us up, god forbid the actual PR counterclaims. I really think she's pretending to be this clueless to essentially get away with murder, and it's actually sort of working. Bad vote onto guiltylion as well.

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FOS: Suzune for being wishy-washy and non-committal.

Advantage feels genuine newbtown, but I don't have strong feelings on a lot of the other people this early. I thought 110 was authentic for what it's worth. In contrast, KK's posts are weird this game and I feel his focus has been on info/technicalities.

I should be more active from this point onwards btw.

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@Advantage why are you voting guiltylion?

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I think AA's actions are more scum resignation than frustrated town at this point. I expected town-AA to fakeclaim a role like she said advantage should (to keep PR roles safe), and we'd assume she's VT following her logic but rather she's pretty much just given up at this point.
Suzune replacing out makes more sense (than AA) to me as a town actually not having time to play, and explains her lack of involvement. I want to judge her replacement fresh, and I don't think <48h would be enough to do so. Marquis's vote->unvote on AA before AA claimed or even said anything is bizarre, especially given his justification in (154), and given an AA scumflip he needs to be looked at closely.

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AA9 went for an easy lynch using shallow reasoning, pretty much ignored her wagon while she was here and then flaked out with the wagon at L-1. Suzune was inactive all game, replaced out in a normal way and is pretty much a lurker lynch/ complete gamble.
Hopefully the replacement breaths some life into the game.

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AA9 went for an easy lynch using shallow reasoning, pretty much ignored her wagon while she was here and then flaked out with the wagon at L-1.

yes i agree, but this to me indicates that arcangel9 is more likely to be town playing badly than a mafia... ;-,

It's possible she is a town that pushed for a shallow lynch and is playing badly, but for her level of experience I think it's unlikely. I don't like falling for the trap of "there's no way a mafia would play this badly" or the concept that someone can be "too scummy to be scum" because half the time you end up psyching yourself out of the lynch and they end up scum anyways. Her scumreads this game are on you for claiming VT and on guiltylion for "going after her as an easy wagon" which is pretty ironic.

Suzune was inactive all game, replaced out in a normal way and is pretty much a lurker lynch/ complete gamble.

well not really, they made enough posts to look like a mafia in my eyes at least... do you think they're a townie or you can't tell yet?

There's not enough of substance to get a strong read; her early posts came across as nervous or over-technical but it's a pretty weak tell. If she didn't replace out she'd be scummy for not having done anything all game but I think she wasn't lying about being sick and replacing for it. Pending her replacement AA's a better lynch.

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It's between AA9 and Guiltylion. Of the two, AA-KK associations are sketchy af and he pretty much chainsaw defends her from guiltylion. He puts her to L-1 but unvotes to then vote marquis, and never goes back to it: AA pretty much ignores KK for the game. Guiltylion's 233 tries to cast doubt on the wagon for KK but his earlier exchange with him looks geniune.

VOTE: AA9