Micro 574 — Space Invaders Mafia 4 — Game Over

[Dewy]

Looks like I'm late to the party.
Hi, 3dice!
VOTE: 3dice

[Dewy]

VOTE: Dewy

I called it as you or Titus on D3 btw in 1670

But, I'm town this game.

[Dewy]

Well, I'm not lying.

[Dewy]

VOTE: Dewy

I called it as you or Titus on D3 btw in 1670

Ha, I read it too. That N1 cop kill though XD

That was literally just luck tbh.

[Dewy]

Well, I'm not lying.

What's with all the angel emojis? =O

Because I'm town.

[Dewy]

@beeboy

No RVS?

[Dewy]

@beeboy

No RVS?

I am going to RVS at 6pm EST I was not given my full 24h of pre-game.

Did I just catch scum?

[Dewy]

VOTE: beeboy

[Dewy]

@beeboy

No RVS?

I am going to RVS at 6pm EST I was not given my full 24h of pre-game.

Did I just catch scum?

Why is what he said scummy?

Scum need pre-game to discuss strategies?

[Dewy]

Scum need pre-game to discuss strategies?

Wait your vote on me wasn't a joke I am actually laughing right now. Tyty

?

[Dewy]

?

What exactly do you think a scum would achieve by doing my first few posts?

More time to discuss during pregame?

[Dewy]

More time to discuss during pregame?

Why would a scum point out they wanted more pre-game time?

To discuss game?

[Dewy]

To discuss game?

That doesn't explain why a scum would point it out?
What would it actually accomplish for them since the game already started and it is too late for more pregame time lol

eh, fine, I'll take that explanation. UNVOTE: beeboy

[Dewy]

Aliens are the mafia here. And we got apricity as our Innocent Child, but renamed to Lasrr Cannon. Which brings me to ask, do us townies have to protect the cannon with our pneshpt save ability?

Or what?

um....didn't your read the role rm?

[Dewy]

Aliens are the mafia here. And we got apricity as our Innocent Child, but renamed to Lasrr Cannon. Which brings me to ask, do us townies have to protect the cannon with our pneshpt save ability?

Or what?

um....didn't you read your role rm?

ebwop

[Dewy]

I did. But I am asking about what happens to us if Cannon dies.

Pedit: RC did you read mt last post?

Read post 1

[Dewy]

RC feels the need to tunnel Bulb because of a question.

We were supposed understand the mechanics of the game before we confirmed our roles.

[Dewy]

Trust me beeboy, I've just been snowballed super hard by dewy recently, and I'm going to have my eye on her all game, but so far she doesn't seem like her scum game.

It's not towny per se, but nor is it scummy. This is not scum!Dewy, if her completed scumgame is anything to go by.

A good player has more than 1 strategy and idea, the way I see it is that was a scum intent so I don't think it should be ignored and I especially do not think it is a town tell. Don't get trapped in the idea that aggressive play that doesn't follow someone's usual scum play is town play. Meta is pointless no one would play 2 of the same scum games the same way with the same people that is literally asking for trouble.

but I'm town

[Dewy]

Trust me beeboy, I've just been snowballed super hard by dewy recently, and I'm going to have my eye on her all game, but so far she doesn't seem like her scum game.

It's not towny per se, but nor is it scummy. This is not scum!Dewy, if her completed scumgame is anything to go by.

A good player has more than 1 strategy and idea, the way I see it is that was a scum intent so I don't think it should be ignored and I especially do not think it is a town tell. Don't get trapped in the idea that aggressive play that doesn't follow someone's usual scum play is town play. Meta is pointless no one would play 2 of the same scum games the same way with the same people that is literally asking for trouble.

but I'm town

SAYS WHO PIKACHU.

prove it.

because I got a town pm role.

[Dewy]

@dewy - Are you saying you are a VT?

No, because there aren't VT's in this game. I'm saying that I am a one-shot doc, bunker.

[Dewy]

@Dewy, riddle me this: Who do you think is the most scummy right now and why? What about most towny (besides me)?

I find RC most towny now because I liked how he pointed out bulba's fake town-slip.
I find bulba most scummy because I don't like how he faked town-slipped.

[Dewy]

Trust me beeboy, I've just been snowballed super hard by dewy recently, and I'm going to have my eye on her all game, but so far she doesn't seem like her scum game.

It's not towny per se, but nor is it scummy. This is not scum!Dewy, if her completed scumgame is anything to go by.

A good player has more than 1 strategy and idea, the way I see it is that was a scum intent so I don't think it should be ignored and I especially do not think it is a town tell. Don't get trapped in the idea that aggressive play that doesn't follow someone's usual scum play is town play. Meta is pointless no one would play 2 of the same scum games the same way with the same people that is literally asking for trouble.

but I'm town

SAYS WHO PIKACHU.

prove it.

I can't quote the role pm because it's against the rules.

[Dewy]

@Dewy, riddle me this: Who do you think is the most scummy right now and why? What about most towny (besides me)?

I find RC most towny now because I liked how he pointed out bulba's fake town-slip.
I find bulba most scummy because I don't like how he faked town-slipped.

ebwop
I forgot to do this: VOTE: bulba

[Dewy]

And my question was in no way a townslip so stop.

It may have not townslip, but it's still a slip to me. Town should know how to win based on the game mechanics.

[Dewy]

And my question was in no way a townslip so stop.

It may have not townslip, but it's still a slip to me. Town should know how to win based on the game mechanics.

I was asking about what happened when Cannon dies.

Exactly: how to win/how to loose

[Dewy]

I was never really scumreading Bulb, just egh about him.

Feel like he's gonna get lynched or shot

but not flip scum

.

@RC

Why?

[Dewy]

Are you familiar with the phrase lynchbait?

That's what I believe that Bulba is.

huh?

[Dewy]

Same thing I was thinking. Since I am easy to lynch, scum chose me as lynch bait.

Oh, I get it.

[Dewy]

UNVOTE: Bulba

[Dewy]

{Dewy} Scum
{BlueBloodedToffee, 3dicerolling} Kinda Scum
{Bulbazoor} Neutral
{Soren, Not_Mafia} Idk
{RadiantCowbells} Town

I townread RC as well


BlueBloodedToffee
Dewy
Not_Mafia
Soren

I do not have a solid opinion on who scum are as of now, so I think this is my pool for today.

@dewy - Are you saying you are a VT?

No, because there aren't VT's in this game. I'm saying that I am a one-shot doc, bunker.

Uggghhhh Does 151 not make sense to you ppl?

[Dewy]

Is everyone at school/work? Sigh. I'm all lonely

I'm here!
No school today, remember?

[Dewy]

I am townreading 3dice for sure, he seems really genuine.

I'm not so sure about Dewy or Beeboy though.

I want to townread Dewy overall but he has some awful posts like Iso 23 that make it impossible for me to townread the slot.
Beeboy bugs me in a lot of different ways and for a lot of different reasons and I can't support a townread there :S

@RC

I am a she.

[Dewy]

Ohh ffs I lost post was long at one point.

I wouldn't push dewy as scum Bulba and bbt are easier and safer.

My 3dice and dewy reads seperate despite what 3dice says

@bee

I don't get what you tried to say in this post.

[Dewy]

@Apricity

Reads post coming up.

[Dewy]

General thoughts:
@Not_Mafia Why are you pushing BBT? What's with the officers thing? Are you trolling with us in 257 and 258?
@BBT Why are you pushing Not_Mafia? I don't see scummy NM's in his eary posts. I just see generic RVS and something about officers.
@Soren When you finished reading, you didn't share you read. You just left. How are the reads coming?
@3dice How is you theory on NM coming along?
@RC Why are you agreeing with BBT in 114?

Obvtown: Apricity
Townish:
RC- He seems genuine imo. I like how he called out beeboy and bulba
3dice-His posts feel genuine imo and feel similar to the last game I played with him where he was town.

I don't know how to sort:
Bulba-He could be lynchbait, but I still see the question as a possible slip.
BBT-I don't get the push for NM
NM-I don't get the push for BBT.
Soren-No reads?

Leaning scum:
Beeboy-In 246, he call 3dice and I passive, but soren was just as "neutral and passive". He didn't call soren out, and that seems off.

[Dewy]

It still let's us lynch Dewy so I approve

What will you approve?

[Dewy]

General thoughts:

@Not_Mafia

Why are you pushing BBT? What's with the officers thing? Are you trolling us in 257 and 258?

@BBT

Why are you pushing Not_Mafia? I don't see scummy NM's in his eary posts. I see generic RVS and something about officers.

@Soren

When you finished reading, you didn't share your reads. You just left. How are your reads coming?

@3dice

How is you theory on NM coming along?

@RC

Why are you agreeing with BBT in 114?

Obvtown: Apricity
Townish:
RC- He seems genuine imo. I like how he called out beeboy and bulba.
3dice-His posts feel genuine imo and feel similar to the last game I played with him where he was town.

I don't know how to sort:
Bulba-He could be lynchbait, but I still see the question as a possible slip.
BBT-I don't get the push for NM
NM-I don't get the push for BBT.
Soren-Not enough thoughts from him.

Leaning scum:
Beeboy-In 246, he call 3dice and I passive, but soren was just as "neutral and passive". He didn't call soren out, and that seems off.

ebwop: The grammar was just awful.

[Dewy]

I do not get how you see my question as a possible slip when dice said something similar when he asked about VTs in this setup

He asked me about my claim, not about the setup.

[Dewy]

@dewy - How can you openly state that I or soren are being passive? Soren has posted the motherload of reads, and neither have I, but I'm far from passive, and he's shown some opinions of his own.

I didn't say you were passive; I restated what bee claimed.

[Dewy]

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Beeboy-In 246, he call 3dice and I passive,

but soren was just as

"neutral and passive". He didn't call soren out, and that seems off.

This implies that you and I were neutral and passive, and soren was acting like us.

There seems to be a misinterpretation, so I'll reword it:
Beeboy-In 246, he called 3dice and I passive, but soren was just as, if not more "neutral and passive". He didn't call soren out, and that seems off.

[Dewy]

What is "content"?

Not what you're doing, that's for sure.

Not_Mafia to the burn unit. Stat!

?

[Dewy]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

@3dice

What's up with this?

[Dewy]

You know who else knows, who the scum are other scum. Think smart vote RC

I'm really confused with what you are trying to do here. One moment you are death tunneling me, the next, you are pushing RC. Feels off.
VOTE: beeboy

[Dewy]

Dewy I swear if you sheep RC one more time I am going to legit death tunnel you.

I thought you already were.

[Dewy]

@everyone
What the heck is sheeping?

[Dewy]

I'm sheeping Dewy actually.

Dewy didn't deny my statement so I am going under the assumption she sheeped the fact you felt comfortable with lynching me.

I did point out my suspicions of you before RC did.

[Dewy]

VOTE: RC

Why did you suddenly abandon your push on NM? Am I missing something here?

[Dewy]

VOTE: RC

Plot twist

If you can post, at least post something helpful.

[Dewy]

How did this even happen? RC is legit my strongest townread besides Apricity.

[Dewy]

VOTE: RC

Plot twist

An L-1 vote would be an even bigger one

Nah I think RC is town

@NM

What are your other reads?

[Dewy]

RC, why you self voting?

My same question.

[Dewy]

Not posting besides prod dodges.

@RC

That's not going to help town.

[Dewy]

I am so torn on RC right now.

[Dewy]

Does RC self-vote as town?

[Dewy]

False

Can you link me to a game where RC self-voted as town?

[Dewy]

@Apricity We ninja'ed :p

[Dewy]

Vig: BBT
Lynch: Beeboy

[Dewy]

Apricity, the game is over if you shoot between myself and Beeboy.

Just do it.

When I am right and Soren is scum

whaa What is your reasoning?

[Dewy]

Between those choices, I think you should vig BBT. It would probably give us more information imo.

[Dewy]

I gtg eat dinner.

[Dewy]

Catch up post first thing tomorrow.

[Dewy]

They are both doing nothing dewy is just smart about it

How am I doing nothing, and what makes that smart?

NM is scum for sure.

We should shoot him.

This sounds really confident.

317- What 3dice said isn't wrong, but I don't like the tone.

I'm too town to get vigged though.

How?

Yeah Bulba is definitely town. I think Dewy is too but to a lesser extent.

632-641:I'm glad you guys were able to make-up and were able to apologize to each other. Based on this argument, I think beeboy may be town.
UNVOTE: beeboy
pedit: I'm really not sure. I still think it's better to play safe and have 2 protects on me per night--forcing scum to kill others would necessarily narrow down the pool, and two town-controlled kills per Day I think gives us a lot of opportunity to catch scum. Anyone else have thoughts regarding how we should take care of night actions?

The way I see it is if we begin to play around it we essentially need to get 3 people to target you which only gives us 1-2 nights to play this game.

By not playing around it we get 2+ nights which means unless we mess up hardcore we can win since but this also assume me and radiant are town.

False: If we organize the docs. I don't want to explain-don't want to give ideas.

[Dewy]

They are both doing nothing dewy is just smart about it

How am I doing nothing, and what makes that smart?

NM is scum for sure.

We should shoot him.

This sounds really confident.

317- What 3dice said isn't wrong, but I don't like the tone.

I'm too town to get vigged though.

How?

Yeah Bulba is definitely town. I think Dewy is too but to a lesser extent.

632-641:I'm glad you guys were able to make-up and were able to apologize to each other. Based on this argument, I think beeboy may be town.

pedit: I'm really not sure. I still think it's better to play safe and have 2 protects on me per night--forcing scum to kill others would necessarily narrow down the pool, and two town-controlled kills per Day I think gives us a lot of opportunity to catch scum. Anyone else have thoughts regarding how we should take care of night actions?

The way I see it is if we begin to play around it we essentially need to get 3 people to target you which only gives us 1-2 nights to play this game.

By not playing around it we get 2+ nights which means unless we mess up hardcore we can win since but this also assume me and radiant are town.

False: If we organize the docs. I don't want to explain-don't want to give ideas.

ebwop: opps I formated it wrong
UNVOTE: beeboy

[Dewy]

Lol there's still a sentence inside that I don't think I said:
"632-641:I'm glad you guys were able to make-up and were able to apologize to each other. Based on this argument, I think beeboy may be town."

Ugh, this is impossible.

They are both doing nothing dewy is just smart about it

How am I doing nothing, and what makes that smart?

NM is scum for sure.

We should shoot him.

This sounds really confident.

317- What 3dice said isn't wrong, but I don't like the tone.

632-641: I'm glad you guys were able to make-up and were able to apologize to each other. Based on this argument, I think beeboy may be town.

I'm too town to get vigged though.

How?

Yeah Bulba is definitely town. I think Dewy is too but to a lesser extent.

pedit: I'm really not sure. I still think it's better to play safe and have 2 protects on me per night--forcing scum to kill others would necessarily narrow down the pool, and two town-controlled kills per Day I think gives us a lot of opportunity to catch scum. Anyone else have thoughts regarding how we should take care of night actions?

The way I see it is if we begin to play around it we essentially need to get 3 people to target you which only gives us 1-2 nights to play this game.

By not playing around it we get 2+ nights which means unless we mess up hardcore we can win since but this also assume me and radiant are town.

False: If we organize the docs. I don't want to explain-don't want to give ideas.

ebwop: opps I formated it wrong
UNVOTE: beeboy

ebwop#2: Hopefully I get it right this time.

[Dewy]

Hi Errantparabola!

[Dewy]

Update us with thoughts/reads, please.

[Dewy]

Why is that the first thing you point out?

Me or Bulb, also I am tempted to put BBT at L-1 to force content.

Don't because if BBT is scum, then he would be able to self-hammer and get rid of Apricity's laser shot.

[Dewy]

Ima take that as a yes I should vote him.
VOTE: BBT

HE IS AT L-1.

someone unvote.

we don't lynch until after laser shot.

Scum!BBT can selfhammer now and get rid of our laser soht.

Please unvote.

P-edit: Thank you.

[Dewy]

I don't like how he didn't stop me as we already spoke about how bad it is to put people at L-1 but I thought he knew I was bluffing so I did anyway. Since he is watching the thread or at least he has posted within 10 mins of my post he would have unvoted. But since you where here I can't exactly say for sure he was going to let BBT sit at L-1.

Who is "he"?

[Dewy]

Yeah, RC is scum.

What was the thought process?

[Dewy]

He started doing

scummy things

and I came to the conclusion that it was probably because he is scum.

Where specifically?

[Dewy]

I think this is about the time of the month we shoot BBT.

Why are you so eager for this in particular? What about NM?

Have you read his recent posts?

He "honestly believes" he has posted content when all he has done is hard wagoned NM and RC.

It looks like he is currently trying to attack RC for who knows what. Percentage drop or something.

Then there is the fact that he just tried to push the fact RC didn't want to lynch NM..... When RC wanted to laser NM.......

Pretty sure we have caught scum. You don't have to laser if you don't want, just trying to express my readiness to kill this slot.

@3dice

Who are you referring when you say, "he"?

[Dewy]

I know I haven't posted content so let's get BBT

What's the logic behind this? When are you going to start posting something helpful?

[Dewy]

You're joking right?

You have to literally be not reading the thread to not know who I'm talking about.

Are you referring to BBT?

[Dewy]

Shame.

Who is scum?

You and I apparently

Is this scum giving up?

[Dewy]

Whoah whoah whoah whoah, why am I being suspected?

Why did you even bother to ask this question?

[Dewy]

Can we treat this like a lynch and get 5 people to agree to pewpew him?

Cause I want him pewpewed

I second this.
It's annoying how he has the ability to post, but doesn't post anything helpful.

[Dewy]

NM literally started to post actual content 2 minutes after you said you would kill him we can't actually ignore the fact he hasn't done anything for 5 days because he posted reads now.

Is that worse than lying?

Both are equally bad.

[Dewy]

Also, I have a question; has Errant been in this game from the start?

No, he replaced soren.

[Dewy]

Hi Dewy!

Thoughts?

I need to reread this game/ look through NM's ISO.

[Dewy]

Sorry, I haven't been active lately. I'll try to catch up as soon as I finish my homework.

[Dewy]

248 were my current thoughts at that point. I don't see how it is nothing.
317 The tone is very odd.
329 This vote came from nowhere. I don't like how voted with out reasoning.
722 I can't bus if I'm town. :/
795, 796, 767 I wasn't kidding when I said scum was giving up. I think BBT was trying to get NM to produce content in order to town read him.
802 Confirms this.

It's my town game to lynch scum!RC. It's how I roll. You can't even explain why I'm scum, that's pretty bad.

Laser NM, lynch RC and we win this game.

Next, BBT wants NM to be shot, this doesn't line up. This implies busing.

BBT knows that RC behaves this way as town, it borders on Lynch All Liars

Bulba is just taking random potshots that go with the popular consensus, he hasn't actually done anything

Both are trying to look like they're doing things whilst actually giving little to no contribution, BBT has picked a random deathtunnel which he knows is bullshit

at least I'm not trying to give the allusion of 'contribution'

a)NM knows he'll be shot so he scum-reads his buddy to get town to think his scum-reads are town. If this is true, scum is between BBT and bulba.
b)The scum-reads are town and NM wants to score a free ml for his scum buddy.

Obvtown:Apricity

Townish
RC: My read on him hasn't changed
EP: I like the thought process behind his catch up posts.
Bee: Based on his interaction with RC, I think he is town.

Null:
3dice: His tone is strange, but he has done some towny things.

Null lean scum: Bulba

It I made it clear that I want dice. I could go on bee but I need a case first. I guess I will revisit dice to reevaluate my read on him.

I don't like this fence-sitting

Scummy:
BBT: His thought process doesn't makes sense to me. One moment he wants to townread NM (802), the next he wants NM to be shot. (885) It implies busing.

Preferred lynch for today: BBT

[Dewy]

Also at no point in time in this game did I get the feeling that BBT didn't want NM dead.

BBT wants people to townread NM in this post.

It gets people to town read him.

In his next post he wants NM to be shot.

I agree. Let's shoot him.

It doesn't line up.

I am getting a feeling you aren't even following your own reads right now. 2 of the posts that you referenced showed how 3dice was doing scummy things and in your read on him you seem to ignore them all together o.o

No, I did not ignore them altogether. I did say that 3dice has done some towny things. I do like his push on BBT.

[Dewy]

Prod dodge. I will have a post coming up later today.

[Dewy]

Sorry; been busy. Post coming up in the next few minutes.

[Dewy]

My mixed thoughts on 3dice:
48: RVS vote, but why feel the need to say that you like the vote?

88: I like how he pointed out bulbs's possible slip.

105: Why specifically try to engage NM?

159: I like the thought process.

289: I like the genuineness of this post.

317: IDK about this post. The overall tone feels awkward.

329, 401: I'm confused on these blank votes.

408: Where did you "test the waters" on RC?

1093: Why did you dodge Apricity's questions in 672?

I do like the push on BBT.

[Dewy]

@EP

This is from a while ago, but I wanted Apricity to vig BBT for information. I thought the interaction between BBT and NM had in the beginning was weird.

[Dewy]

@3dice

Answer my questions from 1141 please.

[Dewy]

We need 3 protection users at this time.
They will be BBT/EP/Beeboy/3dice, whichever are alive.

Apricity, please confirm this.

Unfortunately unless you get a lynch on me you have to be in that protection pool.

Not doing it.

@Bee

Why do you want RC in the protection pool?

@RC

Why are you refusing to do so?

[Dewy]

You are literally setting up lynches on over half the town right now. Actually why the hell am I not voting you right now?

I thought you guys resolved the argument.

[Dewy]

@RC @Bee

Please don't start another argument.

[Dewy]

Number two is that I saw NM played some of the other games, and so I figured he might understand a greater strategy to use the roles.

Why NM specifically? RC and BBT have both played in the previous versions of this game.

[Dewy]

@3dice

You dodged my question.

[Dewy]

From 1218.

[Dewy]

Exactly. What I am trying to say is that RC and BBT both have experience with this set-up, so why didn't you ask them? Why NM specifically?

[Dewy]

Where is everyone? The day is ending in (expired on 2016-02-10 16:30:00).

[Dewy]

RC why did you quickhammer?

[Dewy]

3dice reads?

[Dewy]

Sorry, I was at school/sleeping when the day started. Reading now.

[Dewy]

Post coming up later today. Promise.

[Dewy]

1263 Why are you pushing for RC?

1279+1281 How does that make RC scum?

1289 Sorry I'm not awake at 2 a.m. in the morning? Talk to me about your BBT townread.
You don't "give" chances for people to be town. People don't get a chance to be town. Either they are town (from the beginning) or not.

1314 I don't exactly like this explanation here. You are going under the assumption that people didn't doc themselves/people other than Apricity last night and/or scum are using the two-shot strategy. Both of which we don't know.

1322 I like this post. It shows town motivation because if he were scum, we wouldn't have this plan with us, but rather keep it to himself. I like how he shared it with us even though it was unprompted. However, there is a flaw. This plan will only work if no one used their doc last night.

@BBT

: RC asked you to use your doc yesterday. Did you?

@EP

: RC asked you to use your doc yesterday. Did you?

Obvtown: Apricity

Townish:
RC-My read on him hasn't changed. His posts are genuine.
Bee- I like the interaction he had with RC earlier in the game. I also like his plan in 1322.

Nullish:
Bulba-Not much content. Would like to see more thoughts.
Ep- I like his early posts, but his scum read on me feels forced. More on that in my next post.

Scummy:
BBT- I don't like how he jumped on RC's wagon. I also don't like how he justifies he's town by saying that he "caught" scum on page 2.

[Dewy]

I don't like the over all tone in this post. It feels forced. Statements are taken out of context.

Here's why Dewy is scum

Next, BBT wants NM to be shot, this doesn't line up. This implies busing.

This makes me confident that BBT is town because that

might be the worst reason for "bussing" i've ever seen

That's nice, but I'm not scum, so it doesn't confirm that BBT is town at all. You are not completely wrong here. It was a bad bus.

a)NM knows he'll be shot so he scum-reads his buddy to get town to think his scum-reads are town. If this is true, scum is between BBT and bulba.
b)The scum-reads are town and NM wants to score a free ml for his scum buddy.

"You know, it could be one thing, or it could be the complete opposite. I'm not going to tell you which one is more likely because I want to make it seem like i'm producing content without committing to it."

Wrong; I was trying to interpret NM's wifom whether you want to believe it or not.

It gets people to town read him.

in what way does this make it seem like BBT is trying to get NM to produce content?
Like, you're completely misconstruing the content of 802.

Dewy is pushing BBT and also pushing 3dice from the outside looking in. Both of them are/were clear mislynches.

Tell me where I was pushing 3dice "from the outside looking in". Tell me how they "are/were clear mislynches". The only way you know they were clear mislynches is that if you are scum yourself. Are you?

Where is everyone? The day is ending in (expired on 2016-02-10 16:30:00).

bollocks attempt to look towny

Why should I try to look town? That's for scum, not town. Sorry I was concerned that we had only 19 hours left? Sorry no one was online? Either way, asking people to get on the thread is not alignment indicative. This reasoning is forced.

RC why did you quickhammer?

the inconsistency is real
"hey we need to get something done guys the day is ending"
"hey RC why did you do something"

You are misrepresenting me whether you realize it or not. The first statement is true, but the second statement is false. Quick-hammering someone is not the way "to do something". There could have been more discussion, but the quick-hammer prevented that. Are you saying that agree with RC's quick-hammer?

lol

and let's look at the NM interactions oh lord

General thoughts:
@Not_Mafia Why are you pushing BBT? What's with the officers thing? Are you trolling with us in 257 and 258?
@BBT Why are you pushing Not_Mafia? I don't see scummy NM's in his eary posts. I just see generic RVS and something about officers.


I don't know how to sort:
...
NM-I don't get the push for BBT.

You misinterpreted me with this whole part.

1. "Hey NM why are you trolling with us get your shit together so we can win this game"

We? Wrong again. I do not have the same win condition whether you want to believe it or not.

2. "Hey the shit that NM's pulling isn't scummy though so don't push him on that, ok?

Tell me:If you saw 2 players talking about something off topic, if that alignment indicative? No, unless they are asked multiple times to produce content, but consciously refused to. That was not the case at this point. More on this later.

3. "But ultimately I'm not going to sort NM at all"

Answer me: How do you sort someone if there's nothing to use? Tell me: did the thing about officials make sense to you?

And guess what? That's literally it

That's nice, but you took this post out of context. At this point, both NM and BBT pushed for each other, but didn't state why. I wanted to know why so that I could sort them both.

Except until the very end when Dewy jumps on the killNM train when it looked like NM was dead for sure

Was it at the very end? Yes, but you are misrepresenting me here. I couldn't sort NM before because I didn't have anything to sort him with. What makes 817 different from 284 is that in the context of 817, multiple players asked for him to actually start posting content, but he consciously refused to do so. (Not the same context as 284) This told me that NM would most likely flip scum.

DEWY IS BASICALLY ALL THE SCUMMY THINGS ABOUT BEEBOY

(bad early game, NM interactions) + MORE SCUMMY THINGS HOLY SHIT

That's nice, but you are wrong again. You are saying that we are both scum, but there is only one scum left.

APRI YOU'RE CONSIDERING BEEBOY + BBT RIGHT
Didn't you say you weren't going to shoot beeboy
so shoot Dewy holy shit

What in the actual heck. (types and deletes rant) Shoot scum not town. Shoot BBT. He'll most likely flip scum.

My comments are in blue.

If BBT doesn't flip scum then you most likely will.
VOTE: Errantparabola

[Dewy]

1. Give me one reason outside of my attack on you that I'm scum. Oh wait, you can't find any.

You'd be surprised.

2. Yes I followed RC's instructions.

If you did so then why did you say anything when Bee presented the plan? Why did you keep it for yourself? If you protected Apricity last night then the plan that Bee presented would not work, but of course you are too focused on my lynch to have any noticed that.

3. Your defense is so mind-bogglingly bad that I'm having a hard time actually processing what you're saying.

You're probably not even trying.

That's nice, but I'm not scum, so it doesn't confirm that BBT is town at all. You are not completely wrong here. It was a bad bus.

Okay, look here.
If you want to convince me that you're not scum, which isn't impossible, then you'll have to try better than "YOUR LOGIC IS WRONG BECAUSE I GOT A TOWN ROLE PM" because that's not going to fly with me.

Okay then.

Wrong; I was trying to interpret NM's wifom whether you want to believe it or not.

You know what? I don't want to actually defend what EP is saying about me so I'm just going to say "you can believe it or not" and hope that EP doesn't call me out on the ridiculous shit I just tried to pull.
The above is what I'm going to take this as.

Why would I think that if I was responding directly to you?

Tell me where I was pushing 3dice "from the outside looking in". Tell me how they "are/were clear mislynches". The only way you know they were clear mislynches is that if you are scum yourself. Are you?

They were clear mislynches because I townread them.

No they are clear mislynches because you know they are town. Why? because you are scum.

I made it pretty clear that those two were/are my top townreads.

If so then why did you defend 3dice? Maybe because you want to maximize every chance to get a ml.

And by the way, you were being wishy-washy on 3dice. You were pointing out the "scummy" things he did while sugarcoating it with "towny" things he did so that you didn't have to participate in the 3dice hatetrain but other people who scumread 3dice could look at what you said and be more convinced that 3dice was a good lynch.

Wrong. Bee asked what I found towny about 3dice, so I pointed them out. There were also scummy things about it, so I was also pointing that out. I was basically explaining my null read on him.

Oh, and I struggle to find the words for how bad your "are you scum" is. But I'm going to settle with "bland" and "noncommittal." kind of like your ISO.

I don't see much commitment in your ISO either. You said that Bee is scum, I don't see a single post following up on your read on him after he answered you.

You are misrepresenting me whether you realize it or not. The first statement is true, but the second statement is false. Quick-hammering someone is not the way "to do something". There could have been more discussion, but the quick-hammer prevented that. Are you saying that agree with RC's quick-hammer?
lol lol

I'm saying that you pointed out a looming deadline, meaning that you wanted action.
RC gave that to you and you remained unsatisfied. When someone says "hey look we have a deadline" that is easily interpreted to be "i don't want a no lynch to happen." You can't deny that's a reasonable interpretation.

The second statement is correct, but you are saying that the quick-hammer was warranted, which it wasn't. You joined this site on March of last year. You should know by now that quick hammering is bad forum. The problem is that YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

Why should I try to look town? That's for scum, not town. Sorry I was concerned that we had only 19 hours left? Sorry no one was online? Either way, asking people to get on the thread is not alignment indicative. This reasoning is forced.

Oh, and way to contradict yourself.
"We only have 19 hours left!!! No one is online!!! But... somehow we can have more discussion."
keep digging yourself into that hole.

THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THAT POST FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. IT WAS TO GET PEOPLE ON THE THREAD.

We? Wrong again. I do not have the same win condition whether you want to believe it or not.

This is you pulling the "believe it or not" shit again. Don't just tell me I'm wrong and my "logic is forced." Jesus Christ. Prove something. Anything.

Yes, it is forced because you fail to see the context of my thoughts. Maybe if you actual read 1356, then you would see why.

Tell me:If you saw 2 players talking about something off topic, if that alignment indicative? No, unless they are asked multiple times to produce content, but consciously refused to. That was not the case at this point. More on this later.

I'm not saying what you did is illogical.

I'm saying there was potential scum intent behind you saying it. It's a puzzle piece that easily fits into a scum painting. But it might also fit into a town painting.

Oh really? That basically what you argument on me is based off of.

Answer me: How do you sort someone if there's nothing to use? Tell me: did the thing about officials make sense to you?

Same here.

You completely dodged the question.

Was it at the very end? Yes, but you are misrepresenting me here. I couldn't sort NM before because I didn't have anything to sort him with. What makes 817 different from 284 is that in the context of 817, multiple players asked for him to actually start posting content, but he consciously refused to do so. (Not the same context as 284) This told me that NM would most likely flip scum.

1. This is, like, super wrong. First of all, antitown does not equal scum. There's a difference, although both need to die. I highly doubt you think that refusing to post content is actually scumindicative.
2. Let's use Dewy-logic here. You knew that NM would most likely flip scum because NM is your partner.

You completely ignored what I said.

3. And you knew that NM was going to die, whether you liked it or not. So you decided that then was the time that "not posting content" suddenly became indicative so you could jump on the NM hate train to blend in. People told NM to stop dickin' around before you scumread him.

Hold up. This is wrong. What I was saying was that he may have not been aware of his lack on content, but when player specifically point out that he's doing that MULTIPLE TIMES, yet he refused to start posting content, then it is a scum tell.

That's nice, but you are wrong again. You are saying that we are both scum, but there is only one scum left.

is... this... really something you're trying to use against me?
Like, go ahead and complain at RC trying to kill both BBT and beeboy too, why don't you?
I'm somewhat flabbergasted at how bad this is.

I have a pretty solid town read on RC, but I can't say the same for you.

What in the actual heck. (types and deletes rant) Shoot scum not town. Shoot BBT. He'll most likely flip scum.

your "types and deletes rant" shtick screams "I want to seem like frustrated town but not get caught out on saying anything scummy"
and your "shoot scum not town" is you weakly repeating your same mantra. "I'm town, my Role PM was green, I'm town..."

No. I deleted it because if I posted, it would go against site rules. I am not risking a ban for you to realize that you are wrong.

You want me to think you're town? Go ahead and convince me.

P-edit: You see bee jumping on my wagon. You said you scum read him right? I'm not seeing commitment.

@Bee

: You vote me with little to no reasoning at all. That's amazing.

[Dewy]

EP claims to have docced you at the very least.

Where? I didn't see that.

In his pathetic argument with me. 1357

[Dewy]

I'm not saying whether I used my doc or not.

You can be safe in the knowledge that I would not follow RC's advice though, you know, considering I think he could be scum.

@BBT

You dodged the question. Did you use your doc? I need to know because I have a plan that will increase town's chance of winning.

P-edit: Thanks.

[Dewy]

I have not used my shield.

Wait, are you telling me that you bet on the game last night?

[Dewy]

Okay, so here was what I was thinking before BBT claimed that he did not use his doc.
Best case scenario: Scum dies today.
Worst case scenario:
2 Bunkers with docs die, BBT did use his doc and doesn't die
Worse case scenario beginning of day two player list:
Laser Cannon
Bunkers with doc x3
Bunkers w/o doc x2
Scum

Worse case scenario after day 2 deaths:
Player List:
Laser Cannon
Bunker with doc
Bunkers w/o doc x2
Scum

In this scenario, TOWN WILL LOSE, so it is important to kill scum today (much preferred) and/or bunkers who claimed to use their doc.

[Dewy]

Why are we talking about Bulb? That was so out of the blue.

BBT pointed out he hasn't had his own stance all game and it is incredibly true we have just let him slide by. Also that terrible town slip at the start of the game is still bothering me because I can't imagine someone would be unable to read there role pm.

This is a lie. I was the cause why dice was lynched. This seems like you really want a shot wasted on me.

Hold on, are you saying that we are wasting a shoot on you because you lynched 3dice? I don't like that reasoning.

[Dewy]

Why the heck was BBT lacking so much effort?

[Dewy]

VOTE: RC

VOTE: Beeboy

I will make a post in a frw hours. Im not at home and im phoneposting.

What happened to your push on me?
P-edit: nvm

[Dewy]

Well I am convinced Bulba is inactive town and not inactive scum because he is on the verge of being prodded out of this game. This is a sign of it being an accident not that he is deliberately trying to dodge the game.

I wouldn't town read someone for not purposefully being inactive.

[Dewy]

Go ahead. Meta me. My first game/scum game.

[Dewy]

And that fucking quickhammer... Lol. Ill bet that people were thinking to themselves "there's no way that scum newb would be ballsy enough to pull that off."

Like I said, it was an accident. Before I played on MS, I played a little of Town of Salem and IRL mafia. In both ToS mafia and IRL mafia, we would vote to put someone in "court". After the person is in "court" we would decide if the person was guilty, or not. I found out that it wasn't the same case in MS.

[Dewy]

On the other hand, are you aware that your play is different and that's why you were so confident when you linked me to your game?

Not sure if I'm interpreting this correctly, but I don't have time to care about my "playstyle".

Just how much are you goddamn next leveling me?

Huh? I don't quite get what you said.

[Dewy]

You knew that you had the cred to win the game solo.

In that game, I didn't really think about "cred".

[Dewy]

I have another game, but it's on going. You'll have to check my profile for it. I don't like how you are town-reading me solely because of meta.

[Dewy]

Your towngame is completely different from this game too?

Mostly because I was pretty mad and frustrated.

[Dewy]

What I find odd about Dwee is she agreed with my plan but isn't voting me right now o.o

Perhaps because I agreed to the doc plan, but not to lynch plan.

[Dewy]

Sigh. So it's Beeboy today, RC tomorrow?

I still townread them both. :/

[Dewy]

VOTE: Beeboy

@Bulba

That was a really bad hammer. What was you thinking?
VOTE: Bulba

[Dewy]

VOTE: Beeboy

@Bulba

That was a really bad hammer. What was you thinking?
VOTE: Bulba

how was it a bad hammer
like, in any way

He didn't give an intent. I don't see one post where bulba pushed for bee. It was pretty much out of the blue.

[Dewy]

He was pushing on me for nonsense.

Define "nonsense".

[Dewy]

ergh, fine. I'd tentatively pick Dewy as most likely to flip scum but let me reread.

tentatively I'd pick Bulba to be my second alive if I was making the choice.

if I'm one of the kills I'd pick Bulba/EP at this point.

but again I'm rereading ISOs now and will do a full reread in context within the next few days.

Hold on. These don't line up. First you say that I am most likely to flip scum, but then you say that you would prefer to kill bulba/ep. Care to explain?

[Dewy]

If I'm one of the kills I'd pick Bulba/EP to

survive

.

You would have bulba survive with a unwarrented quick hammer and being proud of the 3dice ml?

[Dewy]

What it really comes down to me is whether I need to pick one person to be scum or one person to be town.

Because I'll do this entirely differently depending on that so I'd prefer to know.

I don't get what you tired to say in this post.
What do you "prefer to know"?

[Dewy]

What it really comes down to me is whether I need to pick one person to be scum or one person to be town.

Because I'll do this entirely differently depending on that so I'd prefer to know.

I don't get what you tried to say in this post.
What do you "prefer to know"?

ebwop: spelling

[Dewy]

What it really comes down to me is whether I need to pick one person to be scum or one person to be town.

Because I'll do this entirely differently depending on that so I'd prefer to know.

I don't get what you tried to say in this post.
What do you "prefer to know"?

@RC

Answer this please.

[Dewy]

I'd prefer to know whether I should look for 1 other town or 1 scum.

AKA, whether Apricity townreads me or not.

Why can't you townhunt and scumhunt?

[Dewy]

He was pushing on me for nonsense.

Define "nonsense."

@Bulba

Answer this please.

[Dewy]

Still think it's Dewy.

She looks more like she's making a show of scumhunting than that she actually is.

These questions are utterly pointless and I don't see her going anywhere with them.

No, these questions are not a "show of scumhunting" or "utterly pointless".
These questions are for me to gain a better understanding with where people are at right now with this game.
I think it would benefit town more if RC were to scumhunt and townhunt. I don't see why he need's Apricity's opinion to decide whether to townhunt or to scumhunt. I think RC's capable of making his own decisions.
I don't like how bulba has seemed to slipped by people's radars and I would like him to explain his actions. Like I said before, I do not like the quickhammer yesterday. Staying silent will not help town.

[Dewy]

That is extremely saddening for me because Dewy is the only person I want dead.

You know what's also sad? I don't see a progression of reads from you. You literally went from saying that I'm town to saying that I'm scum without justification. Saying that I am the only person you want dead is a lie because you wanted both bbt and bee dead. That concerns me.

[Dewy]

You know what's also sad? I don't see a progression of reads from you. You literally went from saying that I'm town to saying that I'm scum without justification. Saying that I am the only person you want dead is a lie because you wanted both bbt and bee dead. That concerns me.

Saying this is a clear attempt to frame RC.

I'm not framing RC. I'm saying that I don't like the

way

he scumread me.

[Dewy]

Considering the "way he scumread you" isn't scummy at all...

His scumread on me literally boils down to me "making a show of scumhunting."

[Dewy]

Its errant or dew here.

Thought process?

[Dewy]

So RC, EP, and Bulba all think Dewy is scummy? That...kinda concerns me.

It concerns me too. I'll guarantee you 100% that scum is on my wagon.

[Dewy]

I am certain the Soren slot is the scum here. If not, then it is Dewy.

@Bulba

What was the thought process behind this? Where does the certainty come from?

[Dewy]

@Bulba

You did not answer my question to its entirety. Where is the certainty coming from?
That's not really an explanation of you reads. The "explanation" is flawed. If you've been paying attention, Soren asked to be replaced. Inactivity shouldn't be the sole reason for why you scum read people.

@EP

It's in my ISO :/

[Dewy]

I am

certain

the Soren slot is the scum here. If not, then it is Dewy.

@Bulba

You did not answer my question to its entirety.

Where is the certainty coming from?

That's not really an explanation of your reads. The "explanation" is flawed. If you've been paying attention, Soren asked to be replaced.

Inactivity shouldn't be the sole reason for why you scum read people.

[Dewy]

@EP

If I were to flip town, who would be your scum read and why?

[Dewy]

I'll catch up tomorrow. It's getting late where I live.

[Dewy]

Sorry, RL's been busy. >.< Catching up now.

[Dewy]

@Ranger

The promise to blacklist in 598 is also textbook scum-RC.

Define "textbook scum-RC."

BTW, town!RC would have easily figured out I was town btw.

Like, I have obvtowned the shit out of this game.

This is true, btw.

BBT is the Titus of this game: he was obvtown. I'm expecting he got lynched or lasered, though. Probably on day two, since I'm expecting when reading to see beeboy (who was also clearly town) be the D1 lynch.

RC is a good scum player and I'm sure he has an easy time replicating his town meta as scum.

Errant.

RC played that game as a then-secret

alt

.

It was made public before the game's end, but for the entire time he tunneled Titus that game, the alt was secret. He had no reason to replicate his town meta as an ALT.

In my opinion an RC kill loses us the game

Not possible. I have my protection left, and we've got both the laser for today and the lynch if you doubt this.

but how do you know NM has a propensity towards hammering town as scum

It's called "common sense".
Not_Mafia was

scum

.
Coordination on protections had not yet been arranged.
A successful nightkill on the laser wins scum the game.
Going into night, before the laser could shoot, and before the town could coordinate protection, would be so immensely pro-scum that the ONLY reason not to do so is if they're sacrificing something, say...a scumbuddy.
Furthermore, Not_Mafia knew he was under suspicion. He was going to get lasered or lynched. So why not hammer, robbing the town of much-needed things (town-directed laser, town-directed protection)? There is no answer except RC being Not_Mafia's scumbuddy, and Not_Mafia knowing if he lynched RC, he'd be doomed to die.

And I've played with town RC.
Ranger have you played with town RC?

I can near-guarantee you I'm more familiar with RC's meta than

you

are. Practically every game of mine (and I've had like 35 games or so) has had him in there, most of them town.

By the way: I'm not sure when the best time to mention this would be.
But if Dewy is lasered and flips town, then we can afford to no-lynch if you have trust in me.
I still have my protection left.
This forces scum to either kill one of us (in which case, that's a suspect removed and tomorrow is 3P lylo where you have a 50/50 shot), narrowing the scum pool down by one...

...Or, if they no-kill, then we have the laser to bring us down to 3P with a town-directed kill, and the same thing happens then.

I mean, statistically it wouldn't be that much more helpful than if Dewy flips town and we lynch today. But by the numbers, overall, we do come out ahead from it I think?

My math goes:
-Laser Dewy. If game's not over, 4 are alive, 3 uncleared. To each uncleared, there's a 50/50, but no additional information. From the laser's point of view, it's 33/33/33. If there's a mislynch, 3p night = mafia win short of successful doc wifom.
-Laser Dewy. If game's not over, no-lynch. If scum nightkill one of the uncleared (as they still cannot kill the laser), then we go into 3p mylo. To each uncleared, the other is guaranteed scum. To the laser, it's now 50/50. 100%/50% is better odds than 50%/33%.
-Laser Dewy. If game's not over, no-lynch. If scum no-kill, we go into 4p mylo. To each uncleared, there's a 50/50...but we have a town-controlled laser shot to off the scummiest remaining of the three. If THAT doesn't end the game, we THEN enter into a 3P lylo, with the above numbers: 50/50 for the laser, and 100% for the uncleared.

So, that's why I'm claiming now.
Moot point if Dewy flips scum, obviously, but relevant if he does not.

This conclusion is flawed and false. We don't know which strategy scum is using. We don't know how many protects town has left. (We need at least 2 town protects.) The problem with this is that scum can claim to protect Apricity, but end up backstabbing town. In this scenario, town will lose. This means that we will need at least 3 players to say that they will protect Apricity, if we don't hit scum today. Hitting scum today would be the best case scenario. My point is that your doc alone will not be enough.

I could see EP as scum.
I can't see your slot as scum Ranger.
I'm tired. take that as you will.

@RC

Can you expand on these reads?

P-edit: Apricity, yeah.

[Dewy]

no never mind
ranger is town because of dewy still being in this game

How does me being alive have anything with Ranger's alignment?

[Dewy]

I can't.

That's a shame.

[Dewy]

Dewy?

Congraz a shot has been wasted on town...

[Dewy]

I really don't know who is scum here.
I don't like how EP thought bee was scum, his wagon transitions.
I don't like how bulba flipped, or Ranger's case on RC b/c most of it is meta based. I also don't like bubla's flake.
I don't like how RC's late game reactions.

[Dewy]

Actually?

That didn't seem very sincere.

Yes actually, but from the looks of how this game was going to go, if I'm not lasered, then I'll be lynched. With me lasered, I'm hoping that town will step up and figure this game out.

[Dewy]

I really don't know who is scum here.
I don't like how EP thought bee was scum, his wagon transitions.
I don't like how bulba flipped, or Ranger's case on RC b/c most of it is meta based. I also don't like bubla's flake.
I don't like how RC's late game reactions.

Oi, I'll clarify this post a bit.
I don't like how EP thought bee was scum and his wagon transfers. Look at the vote counts.
I don't like how bulba didn't contribute much and how he flaked. I don't like Ranger's scum case on RC because it is mostly meta based.
I don't like RC's late game interactions.

[Dewy]

@Ranger

Clarify how BBT appeared obvtown to you.

[Dewy]

I don't like how bulba didn't contribute much and how he flaked. I don't like Ranger's scum case on RC because it is mostly meta based.

non indicative and non indicative.
considering I think that Ranger is town and RC is hardtown, I'll believe you're town when Marquis tells it to my face.

Make a town case on Ranger. Look, I'm dead, there's no reason for me to lie about my alignment.

[Dewy]

I'm really stumped with who is scum, but I don't think meta is the best way to read someone.

[Dewy]

@Ranger

Why hard defend your "townslip"?

[Dewy]

My hands were trembling. Mod, that cliff hanger literally killed me.

[Dewy]

This game was a really big emotional roller coaster for me.

[Dewy]

@mod

Thanks for moding!

[Dewy]

@EP You played a great scum game.

[Dewy]

I know there aren't any IC's in this game, but do you guys have any feedback for my play?