Micro 574 — Space Invaders Mafia 4 — Game Over

[beeboy]

VOTE: beeboy

Hi! I don't know you. Post please

pedit: Lol RC.

No it isn't 6pm EST

[beeboy]

@beeboy

No RVS?

I am going to RVS at 6pm EST I was not given my full 24h of pre-game.

[beeboy]

Scum need pre-game to discuss strategies?

Wait your vote on me wasn't a joke I am actually laughing right now. Tyty

[beeboy]

?

What exactly do you think a scum would achieve by doing my first few posts?

[beeboy]

More time to discuss during pregame?

Why would a scum point out they wanted more pre-game time?

[beeboy]

To discuss game?

That doesn't explain why a scum would point it out?
What would it actually accomplish for them since the game already started and it is too late for more pregame time lol

[beeboy]

I can't tell if you are trolling me or I am missing a major idea in why you thought that was scummy.

[beeboy]

Meh, dewy is town.

It isn't 6 but I would like to point out I disagree with that

[beeboy]

It isn't 6 but I would like to point out I disagree with that

What part of pushing someone without actually thinking about the scum intents is towny?

[beeboy]

Second, it's not the motive behind the push, it's the fact she's pushing at all that's drawing an early townread.

I disagree with you on that. Pushing people for the sake of pushing people is a scum motive that aims to look towny or get someone to slip up and force a bad lynch. An actual town would be able to back up a claim they made with a legit scum motif.

[beeboy]

Trust me beeboy, I've just been snowballed super hard by dewy recently, and I'm going to have my eye on her all game, but so far she doesn't seem like her scum game.

It's not towny per se, but nor is it scummy. This is not scum!Dewy, if her completed scumgame is anything to go by.

A good player has more than 1 strategy and idea, the way I see it is that was a scum intent so I don't think it should be ignored and I especially do not think it is a town tell. Don't get trapped in the idea that aggressive play that doesn't follow someone's usual scum play is town play. Meta is pointless no one would play 2 of the same scum games the same way with the same people that is literally asking for trouble.

[beeboy]

but I'm town

Sorry I am not going to let Apricity and Dice let meta save you from playing with 0 rhyme or reason.

[beeboy]

Yeah dewy's still prob town.

Is her understanding of the setup making you further believe she is town or was it just a failed attempt at getting a scum slip.

[beeboy]

Guys, regardless of who it's on, when do we want my shot to happen? Idk if it should be early, but we definitely shouldn't wait till deadline is close imo.

Varies based on what is happening. I would get us at least 5 days before and after you preform the vig so we have enough time to talk about it, although if you approach the 5 days left in the actualy day phase mark don't feel pressured to vig someone.

[beeboy]

Here's the way I see it. When I asked that question, there was only one answer; however, that's not important. What's important is the multiple array of methods to answer that question.

She could've been snarky and state that the question is ridiculous because there are no VTs, which I think would be more likely scum response.
She could've been curious as to why I asked the question, which again is a way of dodging the question on its own and is slightly scummish.
She could've done other responses as well.

But the point is, she clear cut answered it directly and that is more likely to come from town that anything else.

She could have realized how pointless and bad the question was and try to play it safe answer in the most neutral and least indicative way possible.
Being unindicative isn't a town trait and personal character traits that determine how you respond to pointless questions also do not indicate your role as it varies from person to person not role to role.

I am getting vibes right now that you are trying to make people ready Dewy as town with that question not because you thought it would be beneficial.

[beeboy]

What are people scum reading him anyway I don't really understand?
Is it just because he giving off a too serious vibe.

[beeboy]

I tend to not read over my posts so get used to my poor sentences btw.

[beeboy]

What I don't get is why people have a problem with Bulbazoor doing silly obvious mistakes but when Dewy does it, it is town.

VOTE: Dewy

[beeboy]

Page 2 is still RVS in my opinion, it isn't town or scum play it is RVS. I wouldn't say it feels forced because there isn't really any inconsistencies among his posts that would suggest that.
I am neutral on Not Mafia right now I don't like this wagon at all it is focusing on all the wrong ideas.


P.S. We have 0 wall posts you can read the 8 pages pretty quickly

[beeboy]

Scum need pre-game to discuss strategies?

Wait your vote on me wasn't a joke I am actually laughing right now. Tyty

So people laugh at things that are NOT jokes these days?
Anyways, why did you need 24 hours for pre game?

Tell me when you finish reading the game

[beeboy]

Just saying I am recruiting people to join me on the Dewy lynch train.

[beeboy]

huh?

A newer player who makes mistakes or has a weird play style and as a result he is an easy target for the mafia to try and lynch because even when he flips town no one will suspect anything of it.

I read RC as town atm, it is nice I wasn't the only one who was thinking that.

[beeboy]

How am I the only one getting major scum vibes from Dewy's posts.

[beeboy]

{Dewy} Scum
{BlueBloodedToffee, 3dicerolling} Kinda Scum
{Bulbazoor} Neutral
{Soren, Not_Mafia} Idk
{RadiantCowbells} Town

[beeboy]

How am I the only one getting major scum vibes from Dewy's posts.

So you see Bulba as lynchbait, but not Dewy? What's the difference in their posting?

Dewy is sheeping really hard and hasn't added much to the game so far in an attempt to side with the most people so she doesn't get pressured.

Bulba hasn't done anything overly scummy outside his town-slip he has just been highly questionable.

[beeboy]

Yup I'm scum with dewy. Man you are so good at this game.

You can feel free to try and discredit my read like that but it isn't because I think you are scum with Dewy I don't like the question you asked her because it was pretty pointless and no scum would have slipped up due to the pregame phase forcing you to learn the setup. The comment on the tone Dewy would respond to it indicating her alignment felt rather forced because I asked you to explain the question.

[beeboy]

Besides, that was long ago. Maybe my scumgame changed? Have not gotten around to testing out my new scum play sinve this game I am town.

To bee, what exactly makes you scumread BBT?

His posts feel too rushed and short.

[beeboy]

If almost anyone did this, I would vote them because it's pretty scummy, but my question for you is, do you think scum dewy would be this daring? She was rather conservative in the newbie game

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P:edit - @beeboy - I've already been over this. The question was not to provoke a scum slip, rather to test how she would react to the sheer pointlessness of the question.

I already told you I think you made that up after the fact to make you question appear more legit.

[beeboy]

I am here lol

[beeboy]

Apric have you established your reads?

[beeboy]

Dewy literally just thoughtlessly pushed me and has sheeped people all game and I am the only one with a scum read on her. She is making a point of siding with everyone and you are all eating it up.

P.edit Yes they are both pretty iffy this game

[beeboy]

Dewy literally just thoughtlessly pushed me and has sheeped people all game and I am the only one with a scum read on her. She is making a point of siding with everyone and you are all eating it up.

P.edit Yes they are both pretty iffy this game

[beeboy]

I blame iOS

[beeboy]

3dice and dewy are being as are as neutral and passive as they can.
I don't think it is reasonable to town read either

[beeboy]

R>Dewy voters need 4 more

[beeboy]

Ohh ffs I lost post was long at one point.

I wouldn't push dewy as scum Bulba and bbt are easier and safer.

My 3dice and dewy reads seperate despite what 3dice says

[beeboy]

BBT dewy is worse imo

[beeboy]

He's clearly not making an effort to scumhunt.
We have to be rid of him at some point. Why not now?

Same goes for Dewy but she was in the clear

[beeboy]

I lost my post 3 times on my phone

I was responding to claims but and got mad due to the above

[beeboy]

They are both doing nothing dewy is just smart about it

[beeboy]

Go ahead

[beeboy]

It still let's us lynch Dewy so I approve

[beeboy]

Then place a vote on me just discrediting me like that is sooooo scummy

[beeboy]

I generally would come to the same consensus as you here; however, dewy is still relatively new. Although she could have possibly changed up her scum game, I doubt she has had enough experience to know what to do to make her scum game different. If she was put in a position where she realized meta was getting her caught each game, she might change the way she plays, but considering how few games she has played, I seriously doubt what you are proposing.

I have lost and won a lot of games due to newbie tunneling trust me. The reason I am pushing this so hard is because I am worried I will get killed somehow and you and Prisc will just let her cruise to end game.

This is all just wrong. It does vary from person to person, but also from role to role.

I was trying to justify my dewy townread, and keep you from trampling all over a player I think is town, if that's what you are implying.

Idc whether you think it's made up or not.

I think that was a pretty fake question looking for towny points so people believe you are scum/town hunting more than what you actually are. Although I am starting to believe that it isn't a scum action but instead was just a disagreement on how attitude influences your role which is more of a personal disagreement then a disagreement between our roles. So in the mean time I won't consider you a potential scum but I will remember this if you start doing suspicious behavior in the future.


If Dewy is a newer player the safe option as to scum is to just follow experienced players read which is exactly what she is doing. We are playing a very dangerous game right now letting Dewy getting away with being scummy because she is new and it doesn't support the meta this is not just 1 way to misread someone and lose the game but 2.

[beeboy]

Oh I know there is more things to respond to but I forgot about IRL things i have to do (maybe a hour or so) so don't think I am dodging anything plz and thank you.

[beeboy]

Leaning scum:
Beeboy-In 246, he call 3dice and I passive, but soren was just as "neutral and passive". He didn't call soren out, and that seems off.

Soren is literally doing nothing it is different from sheeping hardcore. Although I no longer scum read 3dice.

[beeboy]

Btw false alarm about real life

[beeboy]

tbh I'm really glad I haven't rolled scum in a while.

I really don't like it when people make comments like this.

Apricity, how do you best read people?

No, like, I want to be able to avoid getting lynched/davigged this game without getting frustrated and trying to get myself lynched in the process like last time.
How do I play this to best enable you to read me?
Do you want me to run things by you, ignore you and focus on other people, etc?

This is fairly scummy imo because Apricity doesn't need to share this info as she is conf town so it isn't like we need to look for contradictions in her reads. A town player shouldn't be worried about looking town in a setup like this.

NM's posting just felt really off to me.

Hard to put it into words.

My next biggest scumread atm would be Beeboy.

While pushing the NM wagon he is simultaneously preparing a wagon on me. If I was most likely to be scum he should have voted me but he is voting NM because that lynch is more likely to happen.

He then proceeds to push me while being on the NM wagon in posts
165 (never pointed out where I was indirect)
245 (number one scumread without proof again)
251 (claims I am pushing lynches when I am L-4 on my #1 scum read when he started a wagon on someone he had no scumread on and is trying to force a NM pewpew)

RC's claim on me pushing people feels very fake and hypocritical if I was his #1 scum read he should have voted me by now. RC has been trying to set up lynches on 3 people this game and I initially just thought he was scum hunting but it is very opportunistic and the NM situation is very rushed feels rushed and we wouldn't have gotten to this point without him as a ring leader. His recent push on me while being on the NM wagon was bugging me but I overlooked it because i had a town read on RC but 283 is just so forced.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[beeboy]

Oh I didn't read P.edits 3dice vs Radiant makes this sketchy af since I was just scum reading 3dice like 2 hours ago.

[beeboy]

gud


If you have the capacity to post, at least try to be useful about it =.=

I agree with this Not_Mafia should def vote RC with us.

[beeboy]

I suck at quoting posts

[beeboy]

I'm pretty obvious town to be honest.

Your votes have been on the 2 easiest wagons. While setting up a lynch on me.

[beeboy]

Why are people scum reading me?

Why don't you tell me. Also do you have thoughts on others besides NM?

I have no idea why I'm being scum read. I'm offering you scum on a plate and everything. What more can I do?

No, I don't. I haven't been reading properly yet.

You know who else knows, who the scum are other scum. Think smart vote RC

[beeboy]

Dewy I swear if you sheep RC one more time I am going to legit death tunnel you.

[beeboy]

Oh I didn't read P.edits 3dice vs Radiant makes this sketchy af since I was just scum reading 3dice like 2 hours ago.

What are you implying here?

I am backing of on 3dice because I decided that "what is your role" question wasn't fake in his eyes but if he became progressively scummier I wouldn't forgive him.
Although his vote on RC may change things depending on his explanation.

[beeboy]

I thought you already were.

lol you haven't seen me death tunnel.

[beeboy]

I thought you already were.

lol you haven't seen me death tunnel.

[beeboy]

I thought you already were.

lol you haven't seen me death tunnel.

[beeboy]

This site hates to cooperate with bad internet ffs.

[beeboy]

I'm sheeping Dewy actually.

Dewy didn't deny my statement so I am going under the assumption she sheeped the fact you felt comfortable with lynching me.

[beeboy]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sheeping

[beeboy]

I've generally never been a fan of BEEBOY's reads in general.
Part of the reason that I don't like the slot actually.
I find it particularly odd that BEEBOY WENT FROM SCUMREADING TO TOWNREADING him considering that I feel like 3dice started the day off really towny and gradually became scummier.

I'm sheeping Dewy actually.

So you have been scum reading me all game and haven't actually voted me until you got the invitation from another player.
Yup checks out towny AF

[beeboy]

I did point out my suspicions of you before RC did.

Ya actually your vote on me isn't particularly indicative.

[beeboy]

NM is an easy lynch at some point in this game.
I'm sure scum saw me as incredibly unlikely to get lynched until this stupid wagon popped up and now want to capitalize on it quickly.

So you are hopping off the wagon so no one else votes you.
Pro-Town right here I found what you where looking for BBT.

[beeboy]

I'd be happy to see all 3 of you dead and say that scum deserve the win if you're all town, to be honest.

This wagon is pretty disgusting.

It would be harder for scum to win if your dead because only 1 scum would be left.

[beeboy]

VOTE: RC

Plot twist

An L-1 vote would be an even bigger one

[beeboy]

VOTE: RC

I'm done. Hammer this and kill everyone on the wagon.

This so scummy lol and from the way you where all reading Dewy I guarantee you will all eat it up and think this is a "genuine town" rage quit.

[beeboy]

He did the same thing in his scum game here the same situation was he was being wagoned day 1. I hate meta but you guys seem to like so this proves this can be done by scum.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6882424
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6867090

[beeboy]

I would usually agree with that but you are being vig'd with or without me dying.

[beeboy]

Giving up in this way is so scummy especially on d1.

If we agreed to shoot want to shoot NM for doing nothing we might as well shoot Radiant.

[beeboy]

I refuse to let anyone ignore all the evidence that points to him being scum because he is trying to kill himself right now.

[beeboy]

@apricity what are your thoughts on RC?

[beeboy]

If it will take me flipping town to make you all see that RC rage quit was scum I want Apricity to shoot me.

[beeboy]

Someone can find meta of RC self voting day 1 as town after being wagoned feel free to share it.

[beeboy]

I found a game where he self-voted day 1 as scum so this isn't my job. If you guys can't see how scummy he is searching through his old games isn't my problem.

[beeboy]

Don't let this fool anyone.
Beeboy would not have had times to search through my games for those links in the time span he had since the self-vote.
He had these links already planned. This is not a coincidence. He is scum, almost certainly with someone who knows my meta fairly well; probably NM or BBT.
We are shooting in us today. goodbye.

I went on your wiki and clicked the 2nd non-newbie scum game and found it

[beeboy]

Yeah Ctrl+F Vote: RadiantCowbells
+ look at the bottom for activity overview to quickly get to your name it was fairly easy to do.

[beeboy]

Driving you to self vote o.o

[beeboy]

Also I rechecked your post to see how i got to the 184 game it was marked as your favorite scum game. And it was the first one not the second one so it is even faster.

[beeboy]

Wait since Radiant is 10x scummier than me can we vig him and watch him flip scum?
If he genuine rage quit this game he wouldn't have stuck around for a hour.

[beeboy]

Find me your self voting town meta. It is a scum thing to do.

[beeboy]

If you quit this game you wouldn't be here right now.
Apricity just shoot this guy right now and he if he flips town i will be death tunneled anyway so you can just lynch me today.

[beeboy]

Can you find me the post I can't see where he self voted.

[beeboy]

Apricity if he meant to rage quit he wouldn't be here posting watch him flip scum.

[beeboy]

You aren't walking away from this alive RC

[beeboy]

I want someone to find me the exact post where radiant self voted as town

[beeboy]

No one replied to my tiny black text.

[beeboy]

Radiant the problem here is you are scum. I thought you rage quit and self voted so why are you still trying?

[beeboy]

She*

Ima stop posting but if I come back in 30 minutes and RC isn't dead I want to be day viged instead because it is ridiculous.

[beeboy]

ok that wasn't day 1 and doesn't change the fact how scummy he was all game.
You heard my post 7:15 EST me or RC should be dead.

[beeboy]

So is the fact you rage quit like that and people are trying to justify it.
At 7:15 if I flip town you are fine being lynched right because you said scum would deserve to win if we where town?

[beeboy]

RC is my tog vig target.

Dewy and NM are my choices for lynches but RC flipping anything would change a lot of things other people say and as a result would change my lynch choice.

[beeboy]

You're a nice person. Let's wait for 7:15pm EST. I won't be playing if one of us isn't viged by then.

[beeboy]

@Bulb do you believe in the world where me and RC are both town?

[beeboy]

Nah I am frustrated with the other town this game for not cooperating.
Look at wiki mafia I did the same thing to the player girlinthemoon.

[beeboy]

No Bulb my question was can we both be town?

[beeboy]

If I die I want to confirm RC is immediately going down after.

[beeboy]

ok you got like 20 more minutes to shoot so your fine.

[beeboy]

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377
VOTE: 393
+that leave act was so fake.

[beeboy]

393
oops

just wanted to show you my thoughts on this since you asked.
VOTE: RC

[beeboy]

It's k i am playing for my wincon by getting myself shot since I will be getting a scum lynched as a result in 15mins

[beeboy]

10 minutes until I flip town o.o

[beeboy]

It is impossible me and RadiantCowbells is TvT so we would be accomplishing a lot.

[beeboy]

What if you are not the shot?

Then radiant is.

[beeboy]

Nope
Vig: beeboy
Lynch: RC

[beeboy]

336
377
393
+that leave act was so fake.

Really I can't get over that leaving act there is nothing town about it.

[beeboy]

/viewtopic.php?p=7611069#p7611069

does this make your choice easier?

[beeboy]

Being town vs town would require RC to be town which isn't possible.

[beeboy]

I have a town read on BBT though lol he posts are so consistently weird i think it is just his playstyle. + the NM wagon and RC wagon where very legit.

[beeboy]

I said at 7:15 est I wanted to be killed to prove RC is scum.

[beeboy]

Plz don't shoot one of my town reads.

[beeboy]

Town don't hop off wagons to avoid being lynched.
Town don't lynch people they don't scum read.
Town vote there #1 scum reads.
Town don't rage quit and post for 1.5hs.
plz

P.edit I will settle for today

[beeboy]

I have a town read on BBT though lol he posts are so consistently weird i think it is just his playstyle. + the NM wagon and RC wagon where very legit.

Why is it legit? Why does consistently weird = town?

Having a weird play style isn't scum it is being lynch bait.
The NM wagon and RC wagon make sense so is actual actions aren't off.
If this is TvT (it isn't) don't you think the scum would try to set up future false lynches since me and RC would just death tunnel each other.

[beeboy]

@Beeboy: Since when did BBT become town? You had him as slight scum earlier.

I had the inactives as scum/semi-scum so they would do something. He stayed fairly consistent in the me vs RC situation and was one of the few people that actually saw the blatant scum behavior as scum so...

[beeboy]

NM wagon makes sense but you called me out for being on it.

Yeah, that makes total sense.

I called you out for being on it with me as your #1 scum read

[beeboy]

Bulba wagon who wasn't your scum read was also pretty bad.
You also hopped off the NM wagon a few posts after you said it made people want to vote you since you where at L-2 which was my problem.
This was all while you told me how wagoning was bad and made me scum despite Dewy being at L-4

[beeboy]

oh I just found the solution if this is TvT

[beeboy]

Not like we can work together if we are on the same team so..

[beeboy]

@mod requesting replacement

Even better, I get to stay away from you even sooner then that!

[beeboy]

Pretty sure I can't post anymore but idc
I just want to let Radiant know he is a sad excuse for a human.

[beeboy]

meh if that let's you sleep well at night I am out of here.

[beeboy]

meh if that let's you sleep well at night, I am out of here.*

[beeboy]

Nah that isn't right you shouldn't have to replace out of the game, I am also sorry I shouldn't have said that after replacing out it was cruel and after all this is just a game.
I think we can find a world where we both continue to play.

[beeboy]

@mod I am no longer requesting a replacement

[beeboy]

Oh btw I forgot to add I accept your apology it means a lot to do it in front of so many other people.

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

o.o well now what

[beeboy]

Well we might as well wait for other players to catch up and not shoot someone today.

[beeboy]

@Apricity I started to think about night actions do you think is it safe to assume that scum aren't using the 2-shot faction kill as it would be too high risk? I feel as though if we play around it we become exposed to the regular everyday kill method and puts at a greater risk.

[beeboy]

Yeah Bulba is definitely town. I think Dewy is too but to a lesser extent.

pedit: I'm really not sure. I still think it's better to play safe and have 2 protects on me per night--forcing scum to kill others would necessarily narrow down the pool, and two town-controlled kills per Day I think gives us a lot of opportunity to catch scum. Anyone else have thoughts regarding how we should take care of night actions?

The way I see it is if we begin to play around it we essentially need to get 3 people to target you which only gives us 1-2 nights to play this game.

By not playing around it we get 2+ nights which means unless we mess up hardcore we can win since but this also assume me and radiant are town.

[beeboy]

Out of the potential vig targets who would give us the most information about other people's alignments?

[beeboy]

My problem with BBT is,
Dewy, 3dice Want BBT viged
Soren, 3dicerolling, Not_Mafia Are voting him

Everyone who I think could be scum have a problem with him in some way and want which means his partner is nowhere to be seen.
If you all want him dead we still have the chance to lynch him but I feel as though should try and Vig someone else who has the chance to throw off current peoples' reads.

P.edit: I am the same as Radiant I don't want to give anyone ideas.

[beeboy]

Soren and NM haven't said anything useful at all.

I think we should Vig NM regardless of what he flips we gain information and if he plans to play like that as town we don't lose a lot. At least if we leave Dewy alive she makes some form of content and Soren says he will catch up one day + killing Soren does nothing since he doesn't post.

[beeboy]

I don't feel like quoting ISO's for you my phone so l8r

[beeboy]

IMO I am impatient and want 3dice or NH shot

[beeboy]

Yeah let's give him like 24h cause this game may be hard to sort out.

[beeboy]

Or more but what I mean is we shouldn't rush him. Not that he only has 24h to post lol.

[beeboy]

Why is that the first thing you point out?

Me or Bulb, also I am tempted to put BBT at L-1 to force content.

[beeboy]

Ima take that as a yes I should vote him.
VOTE: BBT

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

Awww you ruined it.

[beeboy]

I don't like how he didn't stop me as we already spoke about how bad it is to put people at L-1 but I thought he knew I was bluffing so I did anyway. Since he is watching the thread or at least he has posted within 10 mins of my post he would have unvoted. But since you where here I can't exactly say for sure he was going to let BBT sit at L-1.

[beeboy]

Not_Mafia, and by we spoke I meant that as a group we have spoken about how L-1 voting is in this game not

[beeboy]

L-1 Voting is bad in this game.* I need some sleep lol.

[beeboy]

I c one sec I will reply before you make your next post.

[beeboy]

I have scumreads are you proud of me I'm town see?
that's how that post reads to me.

I didn't understand why anyone thought Dewy's push on me was town so I wanted him to elaborate. I can't explain why I was indirect about it since it was so long ago.

So I like the first part of that. But you narrowed the criteria for the push down so that a weak response was all that dewy could give. Why did you do that?

I believe by this time Apricity and 3dice have both stated that they respected Dewy as a player so they wouldn't view that action as town. 3Dice was also a general town read at the time along with our inno child and I didn't want to see a game lost because we let a newer player get away with doing blatant scummy actions. I don't believe I was narrowing down the answers to the question could you elaborate on that?

[beeboy]

Read my past games. I have a decent scumgame

Pro tip as town it is not good to say you are not a good player because that lets scum discredit your pressure/accusations.

[beeboy]

I am still learning. I just joined last year May. Thanks.

Yeah I did the same thing so I won't hold it against you.

[beeboy]

I apologize in advance for making you reading 16-20

[beeboy]

Oh no it gets worse.

[beeboy]

So I liked Dewy's push on beeboy until this post. I don't understand why something scum-indicative has to have scum motive behind i

Oh I missed this post sorry. If that was the case Dewy would have stated so she didn't have any good explanation for it which is why I think she is scum.

[beeboy]

Am I missing anything else?

[beeboy]

Dodging is a generous statement when I just asked you whether I missed it or not. If i was trying to dodge the question I would hope you would forgotten about it not ask you to check to make sure I responded to everything.

Sheeping is being neutral and passive since you aren't placing a lot of risk with your claim because you can simply unvote when the person you are sheeping decides to do so. This was proven when Dewy jumped off the Bulba wagon as soon as RC unvoted. Outside her initial push on me which I still don't understand I don't think Dewy has had her own opinion for a large portion of the game and that is because Apricity started to question her.

[beeboy]

Not going to lie that last post from NM was really towny.

[beeboy]

You and I apparently

I am definitely playing with you again in the future.

[beeboy]

That wasn't even sarcasm like my last post.

[beeboy]

Can we treat this like a lynch and get 5 people to agree to pewpew him?

Cause I want him pewpewed

[beeboy]

3-more to go

[beeboy]

i would put him at L-1 but he would self hammer.

[beeboy]

He has been given like 5 last chances to talk lol.

[beeboy]

3 minutes until bang bang.

[beeboy]

Heard it here folks fire the cannons somewhere else.

[beeboy]

Apricity NM knows that and is just trolling.

[beeboy]

oh wait a thing.

[beeboy]

I am in favor of shooting him anyway.

[beeboy]

Heard it here folks fire the cannons somewhere else.

You don't want NM shot anymore?

I was trolling but at this moment in time.

Honestly NM is kinda right on the Bulba read I pulled the same stunt in 3 of my games as mafia. Milking the noob scum game plan is incredibly easy to do when you have a few active players to leech onto. Also we all overlooked the town slip but there isn't really a reasonable explanation to it. I know I said I wouldn't hold it against him but saying that he isn't good at the game is screaming look at me I am a noob scum.

Dewy > NM/ Bulb > 3dice
is what I want to see right now.

[beeboy]

I really think we should shoot NM the game hasn't moved anywhere in the past 2-3 days. I also don't like being able to not vote people to L-2, it just feels like the game is restricted as long as we have NM alive.

[beeboy]

What bothers me is how completely unopposed this let's-shoot-NM sentiment is. I suppose if he's scum his partner would likely have bussed by now, but still -.-

What kind of scum would try and hard push saving NM at this point?

[beeboy]

Outside me BBT is a lot more unopposed then NM is.

[beeboy]

NM literally started to post actual content 2 minutes after you said you would kill him we can't actually ignore the fact he hasn't done anything for 5 days because he posted reads now.

[beeboy]

NM literally started to post actual content 2 minutes after you said you would kill him we can't actually ignore the fact he hasn't done anything for 5 days because he posted reads now.

Is that worse than lying?

Yes.

[beeboy]

RC and Dewy for scum look at Dewy's interactions with NM they are what I like to call bad.

Until the master wagon takes off we got this to work with.
VOTE: RC

[beeboy]

Ya saying I wanted to shoot NM because it was inevitable is bull I could have easily shifted the lynch onto BBT but since he is my town read I said I was fine killing NM as an exception and he was slowing down to the pace of the game to point where a Dewy or Bulb pewpew would not have been possible which would have lead to the death of BBT.
Why would I bus my buddy when BBT was under so much pressure? Pretty sure throughout this game I am the only one who has defended BBT so you can't justify a comment saying pushing the BBT would have been hard. Quite frankly I could have done it right now and no one would have cared. Keep trying Errant you will get a good read eventually.

[beeboy]

Didn't i answer that in the end after apologizing and asking if I missed any questions o.o

[beeboy]

right. sure. so you think BBT is town. so from your point of view BBT would have flipped town and then NM would have gotten lynched. and then people would have seen who was pushing for the alternate death target and lynched you. you're trying to sell me on a clearly suboptimal strategy that you would have made.

? I have been town reading him all game why would I want to see him get shot. I don't understand your post at all can you reword it?

[beeboy]

You're gonna have to explain your kindascum.

From what I know, 3dice is not confident in his scumplay. That likely suggests that if 3dice is scum, Dewy is town. But since 3dice is likely town, his interactions suggest nothing about Dewy's alignment.

Is this the question I didn't answer I can't find anything else in your ISO?

I don't get your push on me at all.

[beeboy]

Here's what I said.
1. If you were scum, it's not a long shot to say that your interactions towards NM is the optimal play that you perceived
2. Because if you shifted the lynch onto BBT as scum, then he would have flipped town and it would be very likely that NM would die anyway
3. As a result suspicion would be on you for arguing against an NM shot and for a BBT shot

The problem with this is that I have been the only one town reading from the very beginning of the game so I would have never needed to initially have a town read on him which would mean if I wanted someone who wasn't NM dead BBT would have been an easy target throughout the whole game.

[beeboy]

I have low motivation to play games right now so bare with me for a few days.
Although nothing is happening so I should be able to keep up just fine.

[beeboy]

what are everyone's thoughts on my dewy case?

10/10 would lynch after RC

[beeboy]

I just realized we are on day 1 lol.

[beeboy]

Ya I think 41 pages is the point where you realize that you don't need more real life time to discuss. lol

[beeboy]

Hmmm I would compromise for a 3dice lynch.

[beeboy]

It's k we wouldn't need your vote.

[beeboy]

VOTE: 3dice

3dice's last few posts have been pure fluff aimed to look more towny.

[beeboy]

Well aren't you fine being lynched as long as BBT dies tomorrow?

[beeboy]

A lot less fluff compared to your ISO. Also BBT has 2x your posts this game.

[beeboy]

But EP you need to vote 3dice :c

[beeboy]

Null:
3dice: His tone is strange, but he has done some towny things.

I am getting a feeling you aren't even following your own reads right now. 2 of the posts that you referenced showed how 3dice was doing scummy things and in your read on him you seem to ignore them all together o.o

Also at no point in time in this game did I get the feeling that BBT didn't want NM dead.

[beeboy]

Since BBT wasn't pointing it out I might as well.
802 this was a response to this which would actually help people scum read NM.

What was the need for that useless interaction?

Also can you point me to some of 3dice's towny things?

[beeboy]

Yeah, I only caught scum on page 2...

Confirmed Prophet.

[beeboy]

I'd lynch either BBT or 3dice today. Don't feel comfortable with anyone else.

3dice it is

[beeboy]

I want to lynch BBT because I think he can worm his way away later whereas 3dice will die anyway.

Beeboy and 3dice go tomorrow though. And we need to set up a protection order.

But me and BBT are town so protect us first :C

[beeboy]

Ya 3dice

[beeboy]

The BBT/Not_Mafia scum team relies on a senario where in the pregame those 2 decided.
Not_Mafia: "Let's play as bad as possible while also associating each other heavily in hopes we get town read for being that cancerous."
BBT: "I gotchu fam"

[beeboy]

Can I target you RC? I think it would do a better job confirming me lol.

[beeboy]

I just have no words for what is happening right now...

I mean I sort of stopped caring when I realized we have a 99% chance of winning off the 3dice lynch.

[beeboy]

Geez just vote 3dice and get this day over with.

[beeboy]

I just have no words for what is happening right now...

I mean I sort of stopped caring when I realized we have a 99% chance of winning off the 3dice lynch.

You're *that* sure he's scum?

I would say 90% 3dice 10% RC, my problem with 3dice is once he learned the inevitability of his lynch he gave up but RC kept on fighting even if he was scum he would probably lose.

[beeboy]

Same applies for BBT that I just said about RC.

[beeboy]

Trust me on this one Apricity, a town would sit back and die like this.

[beeboy]

a town would not*

[beeboy]

and no, wtf? scum sit down and die all the time.

Ye I typo'd I meant a scum would sit back and die and a town wouldn't.

Also something I noticed is that 3dice hasn't gone against any of our pewpews town reads all game.