Micro 584: RuPaul's Drag Race Season 1 - Day 2

[ZZZX]

I got misdirected when I signed up for this. I thought this was about drag racing, not drag racing.

ikr


Anyway

VOTE: CatDog

Unholy hybrid. The protoss have been fighting the Protoss/Zerg Hybrid for ages for them to discover the real danger is the Cat-Dog Unholy hybrid...

[ZZZX]

okay yeah game is gonna get dumb real quick

I am a lyncher/survivor on confscum so you can help out with that or...not. I am wondering if there are 3 scum.

I am helping town cos it helps me in that the numbers support majority if we work it right. the game will end faster. and I am a town player at heart.

I am not gonna say who is my target yet cos I wanna see who jumps at this and who ignores it.

Well I dont trust or un-trust either. We can consider your thought but nothing as confirmed yet. Nothing else to say here?

[ZZZX]

@radient well...

VOTE: Radient

How would you know someone to be scum or nto from thier name at this stage at the game? kek

[ZZZX]

I take it you missed that 3 letter word. since I am a lyncher on scum which like never happens ever i thought only usurpers did that am thinking there might be more than 2 scum. if town want my help I here cos the faster the game ends the quicker I can meet the second part of of my wc not that my hopes are super high.

I just find it a little... unbalanced see? and pointless

a lyncher on scum is essential a town. in other words a pointless role, kinda imbalanced if anything.

And your method was weird considering you could have just claimed a cop guilty on day 2 while playing the lurker card. At least I know I would.

[ZZZX]

Mollie correct me if I am wrong but doesnt a lyncher win if he was lynched and his target was lynched as well or what?

[ZZZX]

I just dont see this happening for one reason:

5 town + 1 Indie + 3 scum just.... doesnt.

its a realllyyyyy high swing role. like unrealisticly swingy.
if we lynch indie and one dies we are already in lylo day 2.

[ZZZX]

The problem with this claim is we only know the target is scum when we see the flip. Mollie will have left the game by then.

what part of the survivor part do you not understand

usually a lyncher leaves the game when their target is lynched.
If their target is killed during the night, they become survivors.

How does your role work?

I get my target lynched. who will turn up scum. and then I suffer through the rest of the game and possibly might spam pics of michelle visage whom I love BUT I WILL STILL HELP YOU PPLE HOPING YOU WON'T GET DUMB! AND BY PPLE I MEAN TOWN NOT SCUM COS THEY WILL WANT MY BLOOD.

That is not how a lyncher usually works.

^

[ZZZX]

Mollie answer me, If you died but your target died. Wouldn't you win as well?

[ZZZX]

No she is a survivor that anti town thing that does anything to endgame

Would you please kindly... not answer for her?


There is a reason why I am asking. That extra opinion isnt needed yet.

[ZZZX]

Mollie answer me, If you died but your target died. Wouldn't you win as well?

I think a normal lyncher is usually out of the game with an indie win but I am supposed to survive until endgame do you think there is a scenario where you see this happening when my target is scum.

I GUESS THE CORRECT PLAY WLD HAVE BEEN TO JUST NOT SAY A THING COS BEEBOY PROBS WLD HAVE GOTTEN LYNCHED ON HIS OWN W/O MY HELP BUT I WANT A QUICK WIN WHICH MEANS OPTIMAL PLAY IS TO HELP TOWN SINCE MY TARGET IS SCUM.

last time I ever do anything like this again.

I'd say that just claiming a 1-shot cop at day 2 would be more effective (neither town or anti town just pure more effective) so thats something you should try later.

otherwise I am null on this whole clownfesta

[ZZZX]

Lets just assume for a second that mollie is a classic lyncher...

so9-3 = 6 alive in day 2 at most i assume

which means that it is a mylo (2-4)

now lets assume shes a survivor

9-2 = 7 alive in day 2

which means we can lynch the survivor at day 2 for a lylo at day 3 with 5.

if we assume mollie saying the truth that means:

9-2 = 7 with 1 (or two?) scum.?
2 scum situation is kinda inballanced for the small fact that 1: mollie becomes survivor which is dangerous-ish on town and 2: it takes 1 mislynch to get it into lylo.

in other words if there are 3 scum then it takes us litearlly one mislynch to lylo EVEN if we lynch first night scum..

and if it was 2 scum team it would be unbalanced to keep a scum to survive through like 3 mislynches from the begining barring any abilities the town might have

in other words your role mollie wouldnt make sense from a design standpoint.

while a lyncher DOES make sense here as a punichment for town for mistakes while being a normal 3rd party otherwise

The closest thing I can think of is that.

SO mollie for now give us your flavor. I am sure you would have a good flavor for that kinda role isnt it?

[ZZZX]

I might just follow mollie just for the sake for the fact that I cant see a game design that isnt bastard that can be lylo at day 2. Its a kind of a yolo. But I'd sleep on that thought and think it through. So expect a vote from me tomorrow.

I will probably gambit this lynch and trust mollie

[ZZZX]

I am gambiting on the fact that mollie isnt a lyncher
its a 50-50% chance. only 2 roles that make sense with mollie is either a noraml lyncher or the role she claims with 3 scum (it makes a tiny bit of sense as well).

And frankly if my trust is betrayed (I forgive 'er anyway) and she is a noraml lyncher there is still a big enough chance to just get the game back on track. but if what she claims is true then we are... fucked if we dont go by the plan.

[ZZZX]

you know I think we nee to lynch mollie here no matter if she is telling the truth or not about beeboy being scum. there is basically no way I can trust her to not stubb town later in game.

if she isa lyncher she will exit on her own anyway

if we dont hit scum and she isnt a lyncher that exits on his own we can lynch her.

so ... yea?

[ZZZX]

I think it is you. altho catdog is giving you a run for your money so you shld totally try to work with that.

thank you

Innocent Child

VOTE: mollie for not trying

I'm being objective here but how does Mollie being wrong make her any more town or lyncher?????

Like wtf

[ZZZX]

@ zzthing

thank you for holding my hand like we did in team mafia. but if it comes down to it and it is dl you know what you have to do which is to lynch me. I tried to help. if I knew it was going to be like this I wld have played my role very differently.

Also I didnt read last page. was really busy but... Why did we have to lynch mollie now :/

[ZZZX]

Prodge had a really busy week.

[ZZZX]

I PLAYYED 1000 GAMES ON TOWN OF SALEM,, I AM A VERY AGGRESSIVE PLAYER!!!

I see the avi

I think Not_mafia

I think

I have no idea

Whatthefuckisgoingon(tm)

[ZZZX]

I asked that question ages ago zzz anything else?

I'd read later. And that wasnt a question as in a question. Just a remark.

[ZZZX]

*began reading*

[ZZZX]

Also I played the scenrio a few times and knowing that mollie is probably not scum (read: needs a huge gutsy play to attempt that play) keeping mollie alive anyway is the ideal play.

Meanwhile lemme catch up fast.

[ZZZX]

FROZEN ANGEL IS CONF TOWN

TALK ABOUT ANYONE ELSE THAN ME AND MOLLIE

WOW THIS FEELS SO GOOD !

Lmao

[ZZZX]

Also I am currently forging a plan for this situation

perfect play for now is to keep BOTH beeboy and mollie alive. If we have a town vig (aka if you are a town vig whoever you are) kill beeboy. 90% of lynchers who lose thier target revert to town or survivor with it being usually town.

if not then we need to catch 2nd scum before we go into mollie beeboy business

assuming a 9 players 2 scum:
case 1: beeboy is town and mollie es classic lyncher

we have :
1 ML > NK = 7 alive 2 scum
1 ML > NK = 5 alive 2 scum. so we would be in a lylo with mollie beeboy and 3 more. and thus we will most likely insta lose the game since we assumed bee is town.
Ideal situation: lynch mollie day 2 or risk getting insta losingat night 2.
Why not now?: There is a chance this situation solves its self. I have high hopes about it.

base 2: bee is scum mollie says all da truth
1 ML > NK = 7 alive 2 scum
1 ML > NK = 5 alive 2 scum. . We actually know who is scum for sure since they dont go for a fast hammer. we go into 3lylo. Mollie is kingmaker.
ideal situation: Mollie stays with us and drives game to victory

case 3: Mollie is town doing the gambit of her life
?????????????????????

Case 4: Mollie is scum and has no idea what the hell she is doing

wat

so

yes. keep mollie and bee alive now. if they both survive then we need to lynch them tomorrow or risk insta losing game.
Etherway this is a really bad setup design where we HAVE to lynch correctly with only two chances or risk losing instantly. But I have hopes there are aspects in the setup we are not very aware from.

So far I am not liking bee's posts.

[ZZZX]

FROZEN ANGEL IS CONFIRM TOWN, DO NOT VOTE HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh really? I thought mod was trolling us...

[ZZZX]

I mean a mollie lynch tomorrow is more ideal in all cases imo.

[ZZZX]

either you trust me or you don't. my wc is very clear I have to meet both requirements in order to win with either faction. I was playing for town since I am a lyncher on scum.

its not about if I can trust you. but I cant convince others. so i have to play this from an objective point of view.

[ZZZX]

if we lynch beeboy

3 die in this day/night

we go to game with 6 alive 2 scum if mollie is lying (worst case)
mylo.

hmm
i'd say ... idk

I have hopes town has a cop or something. so far the town is kinda underpowered. and frozen u shouldnt have used ur IC so early x.x.

[ZZZX]

This whole situation is a lose-lose situation for us. we lynch mollie = one less chance to lynch actual scum
we dont lynch mollie = danger
we lynch beeboy = change to get fucked by numbers

there is litearlly no "good" play in this situation. Just less hurtful play...

[ZZZX]

safest play would be lynchnig mollie (and we lose our ic..) and ending up in a 5v2 (aka two chances to catch scum. before gg.

[ZZZX]

Prodge. Kinda ill. There looks to be a mass claim and if I see that I need to claim I will. ANyway.

[ZZZX]

Pedit: Uhhh sure?

[ZZZX]

VT

[ZZZX]

-> beeboy i guess?

[ZZZX]

zzthing does this (disappears at a crucial time as town) and the fact that beeboy thinks he is scum makes me think more strongly he is town.

I happened to be sick and busy ok :/

[ZZZX]

Any I am more or less caught up.

And to be fair I have no idea what we should do right now. I really wana lynch beeboy but a survivor or game leaving mollie would mean we insta lose. so... yea..

[ZZZX]

Any I am more or less caught up.

And to be fair I have no idea what we should do right now. I really wana lynch beeboy but a survivor or game leaving mollie would mean we insta lose. so... yea..

Mollie could also be lying about Sur\/i\/or and we could both be lying.
In that case it is still better to lynch mollie first since it is the difference between Mylo and Lylo and that doesn't really make a difference.
So e\/en with a scum read on me lynching Mollie is still better since you would be making a pointless risk.
But I am town

the reason I want you ded is mainly because of your early game posts. Didnt like them a single bit.


most ideal play would be finding other scum first but thats wishful thinking.

[ZZZX]

Also mollie if we lynch first scum and you are/turn into a survivor i'd offer you the hand to join win with us instead of scum. You would be the king maker. scum needs to risk it to get your help in many cases. but I will believe in you :>

[ZZZX]

Hippy, do you want to lynch ZZZX?

Oh shit world is going to an end and a lyncher could end game tomorrow if they were normal.... Oh hey wana lynch zzzx?

[ZZZX]

Yeah, okay. That makes sense to me. I still think KAINTEPES is possible but zzzx is probably safest

Which head is this?

Cus Im dying o laughter

I dont even care anymore

[ZZZX]

ZZZX is my top candidate for scum, honestly. Has done virtually nothing and basically was just mollie lapdog for a while. I have a much better townread on 3dice than zzzx

Nothing means to sit back when i got sick and we had 10 pages of random ass crap that has no meaning. unless u were waiting for me to move on with this.

thinking setup designwise an IC and a lyncher means that most likely their target -beeboy- is town. I am personally a hater of lyncher stuff but I already suspect the people who tried to derail the mollie/beeboy wagons into me because there is 0 town motivation to do that there.

[ZZZX]

CatDog (UpTooLate + hiplop hydra)
KainTepes
ZZZX
beeboy
3dicerolling

One I like least atm is 3dicem followed by kain. You are and beeboy both in my nullish list. I honest have no "real" town reads.

[ZZZX]

CatDog (UpTooLate + hiplop hydra)
KainTepes
ZZZX
beeboy
3dicerolling

One I like least atm is 3dicem followed by kain. You are and beeboy both in my nullish list. I honest have no "real" town reads.

Get your face out of the mud. Fight me, engage me, vote me.

Do something, so I can figure out my read on you.

We are at lylo/mylo/w.e so no I am not voting.

Engaging? Sure . You said I am scum. would you like to go through that at all?

[ZZZX]

ZZZX still called a lyncher a town inno child.

I did???

[ZZZX]

zzx talk to me about these reads. Why am I town? Why is 3dice most scum? I need reasons here, especially with your "no real town reads" aspect

You aren't really "town". I just like how you are trying to solve the game unlike a few others. It is a case of that others are scum and I dont think you are really scummy at all.

[ZZZX]

You said by lynching Mollie we would lose a town inno child.

I was talking about the night after that. Dont take words out of context. Quote the whole post and I will explain it to you step by step. Because this is pure bullshit. with not even scum motivation even if I said that for real. Its not like an Innocent child just appeared outta nowhere magically and everyone believed that without the mod confirmation did it? :>

[ZZZX]

Pretty much all you talk about is mollie and lynchers with a few side comments.

Well everyone was really busy with that. And I found it the most critical thing to discuss.

[ZZZX]

You were almost completely absent yesterday. Sure you were sick, but even when I'm sick as town, I still try to throw out some thoughts. As scum, people can use sickness as a way to bypass having to post content. Obviously not faking sickness, but it's easy to chillax when you are sick and scum. I would know because I've been in your spot as well.

I am not really you. You can check my global posts and see how I didnt open mafiascum.net for about ~2-3 days at times when I am sick. so no.

[ZZZX]

Also, if you were sick that whole time, that's a bit ridiculous.

ikr

[ZZZX]

How about a counter question. Why should I be townreading you?

I dont know, You are the one who should be finding that reason. Scum would try to fake reasons to use and give them to you but I know I am town. Thus it is YOUR responsibility if your are town to find the truth or int eh case you are scum to do nothing.

[ZZZX]

thing that all of you forget is that useless/low-content <> scummy. I still cant find scum motivation in my posts for example while u can find them in many others. But I guess thats a way too advanced scum-hunting technique for many people

[ZZZX]

ZZZX knows he should have found scum and he hasn't so.

Yes I am a schemer and take pride in my plans. But I am not a master scum hunter. Yes I am sure of my scum reads when I get them hard but I dont have any real "hard" scum read. Your silly vote wont change that.

[ZZZX]

Pretty much all you talk about is mollie and lynchers with a few side comments.

Well everyone was really busy with that. And I found it the most critical thing to discuss.

Siding with Mollie though was incredibly scummy.

Why? She isnt scum for all purposes. so scumme(?) would have no idea weather its a trap from mollie because it could be (why not?) however your reaction wasnt the best to it.

[ZZZX]

between 3dice catdog and bee if bee is town 3dice and catdog are not both scum

if bee is scum we know not much. I'd say that there is no town motivation from that vote, still thinking it though.

pedit: hm?

[ZZZX]

Why are yiou in a hurry though? I can only see useful info going on here. Now you are in an unnatural hurry

[ZZZX]

no I just think you are wasting time. You need a good case if you want to convince me 3dice is scum and 1 hour is plenty of time.
I don't want to give you more time to dance around your wagon.

"Wasting time" on what? I cant see anytihng bad for town coming from keeping hte day going.

I dont want to convince you 3dice is scum. I am starting to get convinced that YOU are scum

[ZZZX]

I don't want to give you more time to dance around your wagon.

"Oh no I dont want you to avoid being mislynching to let the town have a shot at this! because quick lynches are always town /s"

[ZZZX]

The more time I give the more time you can fabricate a case on me or someone else.
It isn't necessarily a good thing. If you where town and knew who scum was you would be able to say so and back it up by now.

Oh... this is pure bullshit

so ur telling that everyone is a suprt scumhunter that knows who scum are by day 2 or they are scum?

Bullshit

Get the fuck out

Ugh I am so about to vote u.


Plus you seem ot be so conf baised that me making a case is automatically fabricing a case? are cases so fabriced as easily as ur bullshit case on me? oh! we must ban day phase so scum doesnt fabricate case. cus anyone can be scum

Bee. You are talking bullshit. I hate people who talk bullshit

You are my #1 contender to take rope/

its not even omgus, nearly everyone is scum reading me but guess whos the one who uses bullshit for it? Dogcat or w.e told me to try to contripute and said he scum reads me. You say that you DONT want me to have time to make a case so I dont "fabricate" a case?

And no 3 days is a quick lynch in mafiascum standards. not even 20% of the day. Deal with it.

[ZZZX]

Let me tell you a secret bee, the only skill i really have in scum hunting is in those 1v1 situations

and I think that catdog is very town, and you are very scum.

[ZZZX]

VOTE: ZZZX

well that was a terrible case.

Kain vote ZZZX he is scum.
Even as town we will lose since ZZZX thinks CatDog is town.

Werent you sure that only me was scum and u wasnt sure of catdog
and now wtf was that

VOTE: beeboy

Its either you or me baby. Let the drums roll

[ZZZX]

I know myself to be town so if beeboy is town this is lost already. but i believe he is scum. thus he will die.

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX - I'm not going to be unreasonable in this crossvote. I need both of you to lay out why each other is scum because right now I've been scumreading beeboy hard on meta and you hard on not being here yesterday, which, even if it wasn't your fault, was one of the most important day for establishing reads and positions and sorting the game out. In addition to the stuff I said earlier.

I'm disliking both of you, so if you can convince me beeboy is more scum than you, I will be apt to listen.

I can prove that i wasnt here for legit reasons for one.

I used to lurk alot as town AND scum so it means nothing

and last of all beeboy has been trying to bullshit the scum read on me in at least 5 occasions. And legit moved from my least scum read to my most. Because I saw how scummy he is trying to bullshit.

Plus I am fucking ZZZX, And town must always believe in ZZZX, Because if i was scum I woulda been dead ages ago to some natural cause like it always goes ~ lel

[ZZZX]

Iso her and tell me how many of her "case" on me is true

You said that I was lurking. That ok and all thus u didnt lie or over fancy it. But thats not what beeboy is doing.

[ZZZX]

In other words its me (null) vs beeboy (scum) at worse case for me. choices are clear

[ZZZX]

- ZZZX was hard siding with a lyncher that was on town.
- Saw pressure was on him during Lylo and decided to not make a case on anyone.
- Used Mollie as an excuse to not give scum reads (I have had scum reads on ZZZX and CatDog all game)
- Tries to write his own narrative where by not letting him fabricate a case on me that makes me scum.
- For the most part didn't participate in day 2.
- We ended up in Lylo and he determined who is scum reads where right now (indicative of scum since they have fewer targets)

1- So what? Noone proved you are town. I am saying you are not. In other words even if I lynched you mollie could as well help us win because she would be the kingmaker. yet nothing proves ur town. And siding with what "might" be a lyncher as a sign of trust isnt a bad thing per-say
2- wtf? I am putting my case.

you are scum

I put my reasons

you lie and you bullshit
3- No,
4-What?
5- So what? is useless/not present scum now?
6- So...? I dont get it. Is being town meaning that when player count goes down its harder to make a read or wtf? this sounds like some kind of bullshit that doesnt make sense.

[ZZZX]

In other words its me (null) vs beeboy (scum) at worse case for me. choices are clear

ZZZX literally can't even say what he is doing is towny this game because his agenda is that bad.

Uhha because I learned that you can't determin what makes you townie. I can put 30 reasons here ranging from meta to basic stuff. But would it matter to me ? Nope.

That doesnt even proof an allignment. Unlike your way of trying to make up stuff which is the real scummy thing

[ZZZX]

Come on bring a few more reasons. Am I planning to go back in time and support hilter because my 5th post has an H in some place or something?

[ZZZX]

Like seriously wtf this is pure bs.

[ZZZX]

lemme as well sum up your case:

- OMG HE SUPPORT MOLLIE - yes I do. I'd do it again if I ever have the chance to ( ) and I dont see I have lost anything frmo that.
- OMG HE USED MOLLIE AS ExCUSE NOT TO POST READLIST - Uhhh.... No I am pretty sure I put my position against you and I didnt get any other reads at that time, SO yea?
- OMG HE ISNT THERE DAY 2 - so im scum cus I was sick?
- OMG HE NOW PUTS READLIST THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE - I am sure scum have it easier to scum read someone with a bigger playerbase. and even if not this is literally me not putting a case in day 2 cus....

dun

dun
duuuun

i was sick

and.... that is it?

pedit will answer that in a moment!

[ZZZX]

- ZZZX was hard siding with a lyncher that was on town.
- Saw pressure was on him during Lylo and decided to not make a case on anyone.
- Used Mollie as an excuse to not give scum reads (I have had scum reads on ZZZX and CatDog all game)
- Tries to write his own narrative where by not letting him fabricate a case on me that makes me scum.
- For the most part didn't participate in day 2.
- We ended up in Lylo and he determined who is scum reads where right now (indicative of scum since they have fewer targets)

1- So what? Noone proved you are town. I am saying you are not. In other words even if I lynched you mollie could as well help us win because she would be the kingmaker. yet nothing proves ur town. And siding with what "might" be a lyncher as a sign of trust isnt a bad thing per-say
2- wtf? I am putting my case.

you are scum

I put my reasons

you lie and you bullshit
3- No,
4-What?
5- So what? is useless/not present scum now?
6- So...? I dont get it. Is being town meaning that when player count goes down its harder to make a read or wtf? this sounds like some kind of bullshit that doesnt make sense.

1. Lyncher and survivor are both anti town roles and you decided to believe they had a guilty on me
2. That is after I voted you which is the point I made so it is truthful
3. Ok then you just weren't giving solid scum reads.
4. I am talking about how you thought it was a problem I was pressuring you "too quickly" or some bull
5. Yes taking advantage of chaos to go idle is scum indicative glad we are on the same page on this one.
6. Scum are unlikely to have scum reads in a situation like this since they have buddies to worry about while a towny doesn't need to worry about not lynching a certain player.

1- A lyncher or a survivor with info on scum is NOT unheard of. So why not believe them?
2- No, lemme correct that.
You challenged me and i found our you are scum (read Team Mafia game when I found metal sonic after I challenged him. I am not good at finidng scum reads without interactions) and this voted you. Before that I had no real interactions. plus it is the start of day 3 and ur telling me i didnt readlist for the first irl day of it??
3- Yes I was fucking sick thus wasnt reading the game
4- You are pushing for a lynch at lylo within 3 irl days. Pure anti town bullshit.
5- Oh shit ! I used chaos to go sick and not post in the whole site for 3 days for THIS ONE SCUM GAME!. Remind me never to mod or have any commitment if this is how I am going to "play"
6-I am pretty sure what you said supports my point...

[ZZZX]

Supporting a 3rd party is scummy.
Not having scum reads is scummy.
Missing a day phase is scummy as you where hoping you could slide by. There is benefit to lurk as scum and no benefit to olurk as town.
Not having reads until day 3 is sketchy af.

No matter how you try and flip it you are scum.

1- No
2- No
3- No
4- No

I reaaaaly dont want to use meta as i swore to self I will start using more useful stuff but I am very tempted to link over 50 games that prove you as someone who is saying bullshit.

[ZZZX]

I am gona break the sins and give u a small example: Smite mafia

trusted 3rd party (got slightly betrayed but thats another story)

didnt have a solid readlist until like day 6
missed a dayphase because of finals
didnt have scum reads for 2 whole day phases.

yea

[ZZZX]

And as I assume I am here. I was correct on the scum in the end. but 3rd party won that so whatever :>

[ZZZX]

2. I was scum reading you from D1
3. No actually 3 irl days is plenty of time for you to do something noteworthy.
6. Explain how what I said supported your idea?

2- SO what? last time DGB sticked his scum read and tried to bullshti through it liek you he was scum. sticking votes like this then bullshiting isnt a town practice
3- No, I did not give my soul to mafia completely and thus I will use the two weeks to my lessure. So I dont give a fuck about what you think about time
6- When you have less targets then you only have a limited number of options which makes faking scum reads harder and full of plot holes (look at your case) so here is a lession for you in teh future: avoid fake stuff and try to find something that is real. if not keep it simple because ur case is a fucking mess of a fake shit.

[ZZZX]

I am gona break the sins and give u a small example: Smite mafia

trusted 3rd party (got slightly betrayed but thats another story)

didnt have a solid readlist until like day 6
missed a dayphase because of finals
didnt have scum reads for 2 whole day phases.

yea

Self meta is bull.

yea, so said titus that game when she mislynched me as scum.

on other notes I never said its good btu I said your point of it being a scum thing is false. it isnt self meta as in proving a concept of you being utterly wrong and bullshitting.

[ZZZX]

Like self meta or not I proved your points do not make me scum. You have no more case now. Get an actual case of GTFO

[ZZZX]

I'm leaning beeboy town right now because of the lyncher thing, but we NEED to make sure we pick correctly

Whats the scum motivation of me helping a lyncher as scum and painting a big target on my back esp if the lyncher would probably get lynched followed by me teh next day as scum?

noone.

solved ur issue.

[ZZZX]

Gona study for tomorrow exam so see you guys in my next break (read: 30 minutes)

[ZZZX]

2. I was scum reading you from D1
3. No actually 3 irl days is plenty of time for you to do something noteworthy.
6. Explain how what I said supported your idea?

2- SO what? last time DGB sticked his scum read and tried to bullshti through it liek you he was scum. sticking votes like this then bullshiting isnt a town practice
3- No, I did not give my soul to mafia completely and thus I will use the two weeks to my lessure. So I dont give a fuck about what you think about time
6- When you have less targets then you only have a limited number of options which makes faking scum reads harder and full of plot holes (look at your case) so here is a lession for you in teh future: avoid fake stuff and try to find something that is real. if not keep it simple because ur case is a fucking mess of a fake shit.

2. When you said "you challenged me" that would imply I wasn't trying to get you lynched before day 3. I challenged you day 1 and it took you 2 days to scum read me.
3. I don't think scum should be given that much time to fabricate a case on someone. If you had legit scum reads on people it should take you at most 1 hour to find quotes to support it. You didn't.
6. You currently have 1 scum read when you should have 2. Who is the other scum. I think it is scummy you only have 1 scum read. That's because Kain's role makes him very safe to assume he is town and you can't lynch your buddy Catdog which leaves a pool of my and 3dice to lynch. You aren't comfortable pushing Catdog so you only push me.

Who is your second scum read?

2- I challenged you in terms of 1v1ing you in this discussion. i havent discussed u before. now I have. simple
3- Yea hello mr.I.dont.talk.with.my.scum.reads (who flipped scum!) because I completely wasnt not reading the game at all when sick and delayed that until day start, Not at all
6- No I only have one scum read. Fuck off I am not gona fake my another one. There is no law that says if ur town you must have two scum reads. aka

stop bullshiting.

[ZZZX]

I'm leaning beeboy town right now because of the lyncher thing, but we NEED to make sure we pick correctly

Whats the scum motivation of me helping a lyncher as scum and painting a big target on my back esp if the lyncher would probably get lynched followed by me teh next day as scum?

noone.

solved ur issue.

A lyncher achieves there wincon and a mislynch occurs. That would cause immediate Mylo.

I told u a lyncher at scum isnt unusual. also it wouldnt have went mylo we would have 1 more mislynch at that stage to mylo when i supported mollie. so yea tough luck for your case :/ lel

[ZZZX]

CatDog, ZZZX hasn't supplie dany reason on why I am scum just things that I said about him that he doesn't like.
Can you just help me get this scum down, if you don't bus you will look bad tomorrow.

I dont need mroe reason than the fact that you are bullshitting and using shitty logic here. You are asking my "scum partner" to help you lynch me when he can "if he was my scum partner" easily move the lynch to you? Frankly you dont hold that much high regard

Kinda feelin' like tyrion. Just wining that trial in combat over and over again.

Plus you didnt give a single decent reason for why im scum either

[ZZZX]

2- I challenged you in terms of 1v1ing you in this discussion. i havent discussed u before. now I have. simple
3- Yea hello mr.I.dont.talk.with.my.scum.reads (who flipped scum!) because I completely wasnt not reading the game at all when sick and delayed that until day start, Not at all
6- No I only have one scum read. Fuck off I am not gona fake my another one. There is no law that says if ur town you must have two scum reads. aka

stop bullshiting.

2. ok? that doesn't mean you are town.
3. wut I talk to my scum reads.
6. BS

2- Doesnt mean im scum either

solved this one.

3- I am talking about another person who had that motto. You ahve the motto of not giving ur scum reads time in day to read apparently or create "a case" which is bullshit as u assume every town is as focused on this game which everyone knows to be false.
6- why is it bullshit? I can link you half this game;s site with town not having a sure 2nd scum read 99% of the time.

[ZZZX]

CatDog, ZZZX hasn't supplie dany reason on why I am scum just things that I said about him that he doesn't like.
Can you just help me get this scum down, if you don't bus you will look bad tomorrow.

I dont need mroe reason than the fact that you are bullshitting and using shitty logic here. You are asking my "scum partner" to help you lynch me when he can "if he was my scum partner" easily move the lynch to you? Frankly you dont hold that much high regard

Kinda feelin' like tyrion. Just wining that trial in combat over and over again.

Plus you didnt give a single decent reason for why im scum either

I gave many decent reasons.

I proved every reason to be either a lie or bullshit.

[ZZZX]

I proved every reason to be either a lie or bullshit.

You said you where sick or supplied self meta.
Both aren't great reasons to disprove my arguments.

Pretty sure both work fine but here is a better one

Lurking for a day phase is not a scum-tell

EVER

EVER

Yes its anti-town but not scummy. Know the differance?

[ZZZX]

Plus seems you never heard of someone getting sick for a while so yea.. :>

[ZZZX]

Anyway I really need to go. If one of hte 3 remaining is town dont vote for EITHER of us until I am back. I'd hate to see bee continue bullshitting without me being there to disprove it.

[ZZZX]

You are making it sound like that is the only reason I am scum reading you. Which isn't true.

Pedit: Did you declare yourself as VLA while you where sick?

I didnt enter the site at all. Pretty sure you can see my posts stop for that while including any thing else I might be doing such as modding. I didnt have teh strength or the fucks to give to enter the site.

[ZZZX]

plus we already disproved teh other reasons. Didnt we just do that?

[ZZZX]

You didn't disprove anything but the one where you idled through day 2 which you could easily be lying about.

You have my last 10 posts discrediting you. I am pretty sure that is alot of disproving with proofs provided.

[ZZZX]

Also my replied will be slightly slower as I will be checking this in between my questions. SO yea.

[ZZZX]

You didn't disprove anything but the one where you idled through day 2 which you could easily be lying about.

You have my last 10 posts discrediting you. I am pretty sure that is alot of disproving with proofs provided.

You are making the same arguments just worded differently for the most part you don't have 10 different points.

well you never disproved those arguement. I am trying to getting them into a format you will understand.

[ZZZX]

well you never disproved those arguement. I am trying to getting them into a format you will understand.

They are unreliable bad arguments I can't disprove them due to the lack of substance in them. Self meta and irl situation are bad since no one knows if either of those are true as one can be manipulated easily and the other is not provable.

I am not even talking about this one. Didnt our last 2 posts talk about our other arguements? I already gave a reason for hte self meta thing. Do I have to repeat everything I say a fucking bazillion times?

[ZZZX]

here just in case

LURKING DOESNT MAKETH A MAN A SCUM

[ZZZX]

I am not even talking about this one. Didnt our last 2 posts talk about our other arguements? I already gave a reason for hte self meta thing. Do I have to repeat everything I say a fucking bazillion times?

No matter how many times you repeat it, it doesn't make your arguments more creditable.

... No matter how many times you dodge this it IS true as proved by a thousand case. and you are avoiding talking about your other arguement. You said two posts ago that you had other argument. I asked what they were since I disproved them and u came back to the first one.

11/10 ign dodge

[ZZZX]

I am not dodging shit right now stop being so vague and tell me what argument I think I am dodging.
This is another stupid narrative isn't it?

Your other "arguements" as you personally said before going back in the next post to anti self meta arguement?

[ZZZX]

Your case on me is literally OMGUS

No. I am saying ur bullshitting

its differant

You are not hte only or the first person to attack me. Why would I OMGUS you exclusively?

[ZZZX]

at least you are improving. Still bullshit though

got any more cases yeT?

[ZZZX]

Your case on me is literally OMGUS

No. I am saying ur bullshitting

its differant

You are not hte only or the first person to attack me. Why would I OMGUS you exclusively?

because I am the only person pushing you.

Outside things you don't like about my case on you what makes me scum?

CatDog pushed me before it was cool

as did 3dice
i have no idea what kain is doing at all at this stage

so this is nearly everyone right now?

plus other than your mollie interactions I dont need any more reason to scum read you other than bullshitting. Because town has no reason to bullshit a scum read.

[ZZZX]

I am not dodging shit right now stop being so vague and tell me what argument I think I am dodging.
This is another stupid narrative isn't it?

Your other "arguements" as you personally said before going back in the next post to anti self meta arguement?

Yes what about self meta am I dodging again I am really not following?
Like I explained why it BS.

Pedit: No I like my vote

uhhh... Time for bold since you cant read my post

YOU SAID YOU HAVE OTHER ARGUMENTS AND EVERY TIME I ASKED YOU WHAT THEY ARE YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT SELF META AGAIN. EVEN THOUGH I SAID IT WAS NOT EVEN THE MAIN REASON OR EVEN A REASON YOU NEED TO CONSIDER AS I PROVED ITS NOT SCUMMY ABOUT THE ORIGINAL REASONING

easier now?

[ZZZX]

CatDog pushed me before it was cool

as did 3dice
i have no idea what kain is doing at all at this stage

so this is nearly everyone right now?

plus other than your mollie interactions I dont need any more reason to scum read you other than bullshitting. Because town has no reason to bullshit a scum read.

I am not bullshiting a scum read you are bullshiting a defense.

my defence is built on fact. Your scum read is built on... something?

[ZZZX]

uhhh... Time for bold since you cant read my post


YOU SAID YOU HAVE OTHER ARGUMENTS AND EVERY TIME I ASKED YOU WHAT THEY ARE YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT SELF META AGAIN. EVEN THOUGH I SAID IT WAS NOT EVEN THE MAIN REASON OR EVEN A REASON YOU NEED TO CONSIDER AS I PROVED ITS NOT SCUMMY ABOUT THE ORIGINAL REASONING

easier now?

No this is such bullshit I will make this big because apparently that makes you right in your world. You said that you where sick I said I had other arguments not that I had new arguments.
If I keep making it bigger maybe I can appeal to town's emotions like what you are trying to do right now =D

Then what the fuck are your "other arguements"?

[ZZZX]

I am still waiting since 4 pages for this answer.

[ZZZX]

CatDog pushed me before it was cool

as did 3dice
i have no idea what kain is doing at all at this stage

so this is nearly everyone right now?

plus other than your mollie interactions I dont need any more reason to scum read you other than bullshitting. Because town has no reason to bullshit a scum read.

I am not bullshiting a scum read you are bullshiting a defense.

my defence is built on fact. Your scum read is built on... something?

IRL situations are not facts.
Self meta can be manipulated and is not a fact

This is teh only arguement you have

am I correct? YES/NO answer in a simple word

[ZZZX]

I proved every reason to be either a lie or bullshit.

You said you where sick or supplied self meta.
Both aren't great reasons to disprove my arguments.

Pretty sure both work fine but here is a better one

Lurking for a day phase is not a scum-tell

EVER

EVER

Yes its anti-town but not scummy. Know the differance?

here is the answer to your arguement. as shown for a bazillion times?

[ZZZX]

I am still waiting since 4 pages for this answer.

This is such a bullshit narrative I already explained why I thought you where scum.

Siding with a 3rd party for god knows why.
Disappearing for a day phase hammering and not giving input
Having one scum read is sketchy af because there is 2 scum and you appealing to larger amount of the town this way.

#1 isnt scummy
#2 I am pretty sure I didnt hammer for one, And I already said this isnt scummy either.
#3 is something at least half the playlist has faced as town in 70% of the games. aka not fucking scumm?

[ZZZX]

This is teh only arguement you have

am I correct? YES/NO answer in a simple word

You probably are full of shit about the real life situation stopping you from playing mafia because you read enough of the game to realize hammering mollie was the right call.

Ok fuck off about my real life situation being fake. I dont care what you think about it

how about to beatify this for you because this is becoming annoying?

Fuck you for doubting it. But eitherway let me beatify this for


Lets say I was not sick then yea


FUCK I didnt feel like playing mafia for a week thus didnt play

Still not scummy

nice try

get fucking lynched already.

sigh

[ZZZX]

Like yea since you are too slow to get this I will ginore the fact I was sick and say this instead even if it is a half truth


I didnt feel like mafia.

Now is that scummy?

didnt think so

[ZZZX]

i still dont see any scum motivation in any of those 3 yeaaa.

If i had the mollie situation again right now I'd do the same thing any day of the week.

SO fuck off I am nto changing for your happiness of what is considered townie.

pedit:

#1 it is true. Why is it scummy? Even if 80% of the cases are town according to numbers and shit?
#2 No. I was on teh wagon. So what? Getting sick or being lazy is now a scum read right now
#3 not true. want 100s of game links right now for people who are either me or not me?

[ZZZX]

This is teh only arguement you have

am I correct? YES/NO answer in a simple word

You probably are full of shit about the real life situation stopping you from playing mafia because you read enough of the game to realize hammering mollie was the right call.

Ok fuck off about my real life situation being fake. I dont care what you think about it

how about to beatify this for you because this is becoming annoying?

Fuck you for doubting it. But eitherway let me beatify this for


Lets say I was not sick then yea


FUCK I didnt feel like playing mafia for a week thus didnt play

Still not scummy

nice try

get fucking lynched already.

sigh

If you don't have enough energy to read and play you shouldn't know enough to make the right call on a hammer.
You are scum nothing you are saying makes sense.

We already said I didnt hammer as far as I remeber. And even if I did. so what? Your counter arguement is what doesnt make sense. This hammer thing is a new fake reason as well. any more reason? you are evolving.

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Like yea since you are too slow to get this I will ginore the fact I was sick and say this instead even if it is a half truth


I didnt feel like mafia.

Now is that scummy?

didnt think so

Can't you not call me slow? Thanks.

You came in and voted. That is mafia.

I came in and attacked you. This is mafia as well. Not for the faint of heart. If you are feeling personally insulted then I am sorry, But your play here is dumb as town or scum. That doesnt change.

[ZZZX]

i still dont see any scum motivation in any of those 3 yeaaa.

If i had the mollie situation again right now I'd do the same thing any day of the week.

SO fuck off I am nto changing for your happiness of what is considered townie.

pedit:

#1 it is true. Why is it scummy? Even if 80% of the cases are town according to numbers and shit?
#2 No. I was on teh wagon. So what? Getting sick or being lazy is now a scum read right now
#3 not true. want 100s of game links right now for people who are either me or not me?

You don't see the scum advantage in no interacting WTF

Not interacting for a few real life days instead of causing chaos is not a real scum motivation. esp that it puts the shades on me in the end aka no advantage?

[ZZZX]

brb 10

[ZZZX]

VC 2.final:

4 to lynch

Fire Starter (0):
Catdog (1): Kaintepes
Kaintepes (1): Catdog
ZZZX(0):
pirate mollie (LYNCH): beeboy, 3dicerolling, Catdog, Kaintepes
beeboy (1): pirate mollie
3dicerolling (0):

Not Voting: ZZZX, Fire Starter

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2016-03-19 22:21:42)

pirate mollie has been lynched. She was

Michelle Visage, Lyncher/Survivor.

so I hammered and lead the wagon when I didnt even vote. LOL

[ZZZX]

We already said I didnt hammer as far as I remeber. And even if I did. so what? Your counter arguement is what doesnt make sense. This hammer thing is a new fake reason as well. any more reason? you are evolving.

Real life things aren't provable and you weren't doing shit.
You come in have 0 scum reads and then you decide to scum read the guy who is voting you since it is literally your only option.

You also have 0 other scum reads.
Get out of here.

Yes I have 0 other HARD scum reads. I never denied that. And it is not scummy for the millionth time

I am not doing shit,? Sure then

I am not doing shit

anti town but not scummy

aka

nothing of that is scummy.

[ZZZX]

Not interacting for a few real life days instead of causing chaos is not a real scum motivation. esp that it puts the shades on me in the end aka no advantage?

A few real life days and an entire main mafia day.
Yes I do see that as a problem.

Guess what? I don't care

[ZZZX]

I gained no advantage as scum frmo that action. Aka it is not a reason for me to be scum read

ezpz reasoning

[ZZZX]

so I hammered and lead the wagon when I didnt even vote. LOL

Oh no I made a fucking mistake that makes me scum.
Get of here with your fucking bullshit.

What did you day 2. Explain this to me.

Nothing, And that isnt scummy

And its not the first bullshit you said. infact you havent said any single valid thing that can be used against me.

[ZZZX]

Dont fucking make my case appear as just that lie. That lie is just another one of your billion lies as a supporting factor

[ZZZX]

What?
Not doing anything appeals to most people? Let me break it to you: people hate lurkers and which makes me in risk in reality. I dont see a scum motivation in that.
Most people would believe if I said scummy thing are scummy.... well yea no shit if something is scummy then its a common knowledge. And the fact that you are doing the scummy thing doesnt help you here
I am. how am I randomly disagreeing.?

STOP asking around and giving "oh randomly disagreeing" and answer my arugements with some actual stuff

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I'm thinking the team is beeboy and cat dog right now, but I'm not entirely caught up on the 1v1 right now because I'm phone posting.

What the actual fuck ZZZX just said he didn't like my case on him and only scum read me when he was forced into a 1v1.

You seriously better not mess this up it is obvious.

You know the the "Duelest' play style is actually used by at least 10-15% of this site's playerlist with varying degrees? Are you now condemning a whole playstyle to be scummy? WTF?

[ZZZX]

What?
Not doing anything appeals to most people? Let me break it to you: people hate lurkers and which makes me in risk in reality. I dont see a scum motivation in that.
Most people would believe if I said scummy thing are scummy.... well yea no shit if something is scummy then its a common knowledge. And the fact that you are doing the scummy thing doesnt help you here
I am. how am I randomly disagreeing.?

STOP asking around and giving "oh randomly disagreeing" and answer my arugements with some actual stuff

Fake anger and calling me slow to appeal to emotion to compensate for your lack of argument.
Why would I stop when I am correct and you are scum, I am not going to lose this game because you like to pretend to be angry and use more caps then I do.
Anti-town things are scummy it is really simple.
Can you just stop so people can catch up.

No Anti town things are not needingly scummy. There was a whole 30 page argument on that in the mafia discussion a long while back. Lets not start this again.

Lets both agree to get one post each so we can give everyone else space?

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Idk wtf you just said but it is full of shit.

Even though this is contridicting ill help you with it for my last post of the day

People who play in that style cant get hard reads unless they have a long discussion and interact with people

and you happened to interact with me

And you are not the first person who voted me. Dont use the excuse of OMGUS now.

ANyway, Good night!

[ZZZX]

Kain you are so garbage.

Kain, This is why you dont do a random ass vote in lylo in a cross vote off without everyone agreement.

eitherway, gg!

[ZZZX]

Like I'm full on salt right now.

Full on salt.

Its fine chill

Its not you who had to spend the last 5 hours arguing with beeboy

[ZZZX]

Also - mollie was 100% telling the truth about the role. The reason mollie's role was jank was that I wanted to include the sub-plot of Michelle Visage replacing Merle as a judge on the show after season 1, so she was originally going to be an Usurper. That would have caused 2 mislynches to end the game, though, so I made the role less scum-sided and gave town a reasonably large chunk of power to make up for the game not being 7:2. The day 2 voteless and misdirector that could only really fuck with a town PR were slight anti-town roles to balance out how strong the IC and JOAT could get.

Yea had to assume that in role analysis because a normal lyncher would be too strong to end the game potentially at night 2