Micro 597: TTH's Normal Micro (Game Over)

[RaisusTheFlammie]

First 'official' game on here, so please take care, mmkay?

@Smeagol. TBH, I dislike random votes. I prefer to see how people act and react and vote accordingly, of course, there's always a little of the old WIFOM to take into account, but meh.

VOTE: Vote: ZZZX - haven't heard from you yet

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Things seem a little... 'quiet'.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

@pisskop: I haven't build up enough yet to make a definitive scumread or townread of any of you, so for now it's null, with probably a bit of scumlean with you, PK

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Personally, I'm not sure, there's just something about your responses that just don't sit right with me.

I personally don't like RVS simply because 9 out of 10 times we lynch a townie... (since we really don't have enough to go on other than hunches)

[RaisusTheFlammie]

@pisskop, because, as far as I'm concerned, not responding is anti-town

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Damn right I am UNVOTE: ,
VOTE: pisskop

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Nah, you just made it clear exactly what your motives are and I don't like it.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Right.


Your whole interaction with me is an example of noncomittence and dodgery.

Give me one example of non-commitance, just one. Seems to me like you're intentionally trying to deflect pressure away from

YOU

instead.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

"pisskop is a scumlean for [gut], everyone else is null"

Sure, so why are you voting in RVS if you

a) dont like RVS
and
b) Smeagol started an RQS and I simply didnt vote at all in RVS when I first posted.

Because lurking is scummy.

1) Just because I don't particularly

like

RVS, doesn't mean I won't participate, that's like chopping of your own nose to spite your face.

2) Technically we're still in RVS...

[RaisusTheFlammie]

ou suck a mafia or are scum, but a little pressure cooking will sort you out right.

EBWOP:

That doesn't exactly give me much option, now does it? I'm either scum or scum... Hmm. Sounds to me like a little WIFOM

[RaisusTheFlammie]

@Not_Mafia: If you know anything, it's that the only winning move is not to play.

How about a nice game of chess?

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Happy Easter, TTH!

pedit: That's L-1, nobody hammer until we hear from pk.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Happy Easter, everyone!

Vote Count 1.3

RaisusTheFlammie [1] - Creature
jmo16mla [1] - Not_Mafia
Not_Mafia [1] - jmo16mla
pisskop [3] - RadiantCowbells, RaisusTheFlammie, KainTepes
Sméagol [1] - pisskop

Not Voting: ZZZX, Sméagol

5 to lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2016-04-08 17:41:40)

I have finally achieved my dreams

VOTE: Pisskop

I AM KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: PISSKOP is mafia

PISSKOP YOU ARE HAMMERED NOW...... REVEAL YOUR ROLE

PISSKOP WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING?????????????????

i am very aggressive player i will make you TALK IF I HAVE TO!!!!!!!!!!!

AND HE FELL FOR IT,, HE IS SCUM!!! THAT IS WHY HE WILL NOT TELL HIS ROLE

now that i think, i dunno

VOTE: RADIANT COWBALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's already twilight.

pisskop, post what you have to post.

Okay, this makes for some interesting reading. Someone either can't count (something, that I think for a player who has played quite a few times would be able to add up) or something's amiss with KT...
VOTE: KainTepes

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Happy Easter, everyone!

Vote Count 1.3

RaisusTheFlammie [1] - Creature
jmo16mla [1] - Not_Mafia
Not_Mafia [1] - jmo16mla
pisskop [3] - RadiantCowbells, RaisusTheFlammie, KainTepes
Sméagol [1] - pisskop

Not Voting: ZZZX, Sméagol

5 to lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2016-04-08 17:41:40)

I have finally achieved my dreams

VOTE: Pisskop

I AM KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: PISSKOP is mafia

PISSKOP YOU ARE HAMMERED NOW...... REVEAL YOUR ROLE

PISSKOP WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING?????????????????

i am very aggressive player i will make you TALK IF I HAVE TO!!!!!!!!!!!

AND HE FELL FOR IT,, HE IS SCUM!!! THAT IS WHY HE WILL NOT TELL HIS ROLE

now that i think, i dunno

VOTE: RADIANT COWBALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's already twilight.

pisskop, post what you have to post.

Okay, this makes for some interesting reading. Someone either can't count (something, that I think for a player who has played quite a few times would be able to add up) or something's amiss with KT...
VOTE: KainTepes

ummmmm VOTE: Raisus

Bit of a kneejerk reaction there for you, don't ya think? Trying to cover for your scumbuddy?

I am sure this is scum.

VOTE: RaisusTheFlammie

Notice how the first thing KT does is 'claim' I am scum, simply because I pointed out that he made a mistake? Hmm.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Is Raisus newbtown or is he just throwing out all sorts in the hope some of it will stick?

I'm not really trying anything, just wanted to tey and understand why you'd attempt to fake-hammer someone into revelaing their role. I thought the point of this game was to deduce by reason through actions and communications who is scum and who is not, or have I missed something?

Either way, what you did, if not scummy was quite a dickmove to do, and I'd like it explained, please.

Bit of a kneejerk reaction there for you, don't ya think? Trying to cover for your scumbuddy?

Your post doesnt make sense as town. Call it covering for a scumbuddy when I never "defended" anyone. Its more of "attacking" you here.

My post doesn't make sense as town? Exactly what part of pointing out KT's actions is anti-town?

[RaisusTheFlammie]

EBWOP: *try not tey. Ugh. sometimes my typing fails.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Oops, sorry NM. You and Kain have the same avatar, it's confusing

[RaisusTheFlammie]

EBWOP: Really, it's common? Huh. Who'da thunk it.

UNVOTE: KainTepes

[RaisusTheFlammie]

This is true, KT, flip-flopping

is

bad, but it's not necessarily indicative of scum. (Especially when you see my Joined date...) I also want to point out that I know when to admit I was wrong, and in that instance, I was wrong

[RaisusTheFlammie]

The only thing I'm convinced of in terms of Radiant_Cowbells is that he hasn't really contributed very much to this game. I think maybe a few posts and that's about it. It could be indicative of him being busy, but it's also hurting us town-wise.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Well, apart from the fact you just EBWOP'd 3 times there and used a lit of capital letters, there's nothing there that isn't wrong, but I want to hear from other people than just you, if you don't mind, before I vote again.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

I want to wait to see what other people say first, if you don't mind

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Thank you, Smeagol.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

By that, you mean the most recent one? (Post 288)? God, you're all acting like children. The only real conversation I feel confident about is the one I've had with Smeagol.

According to the wiki, policy lynches are anti-town in the long run, so I'd need a better reason than just "it's a policy lynch" RC...

FoS: RadiantCowbells

[RaisusTheFlammie]

By that, you mean the most recent one? (Post 288)? God, you're all acting like children. The only real conversation I feel confident about is the one I've had with Smeagol.

According to the wiki, policy lynches are anti-town in the long run, so I'd need a better reason than just "it's a policy lynch" RC...

FoS: RadiantCowbells

Whats making you so scared that you cant even make a vote? And have to use FOS?

looks like you're being way too hesitant.....

VOTE: Raisus

You realise this does nothing, right? You'd already voted for me and made your point explicitly clear. FoS is a valid pseudo vote when you don't feel confident enough to actually do a vote, and i feel like you're pressuring me into something that I don't want to do yet.

Right now I'm of half a mind to replace out because I can't stand you.

VOTE: KainTepes

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Because I have had just about enough of you and your pressuring.

Back The [/censored] Off!

[RaisusTheFlammie]

I get that. But you want me to vote him, when a) nobody else is. If you're sure he's so scummy, why havent you voted him instead of me? And b) FoS can also be used when you're not confident enough of a player's lean to outright vote. What i feel you're doing is trying to strongarm me into this, then go behind my back and say "look at that. Definately scum". From my perspective, I have nothing to lose by voting you.

As I said. If you're so sure hes scum, you start the vote, not I.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Yeah. If nothing else because he hasn't contributed to the topic.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Ya know, I'm not sure NotMafia. Maybe it's some kind of meat byproduct?

VOTE: RadiantCowbells - Please explain to the general consensus why you believe KT is a policy lynch.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

because I think he's scum.

Welp. That was decidedly unhelpful

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Promise I'll get yo this tonight. Lol

JMO, I really am not liking this noncommittal stance after you "promised" you would.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Probably the latter

[RaisusTheFlammie]

All the votes on me are terrible.

I'm not going to put an effort into this game until I'm back at L-5.

If you're not going to put the effort in, replace out.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Lynch it.

Its crying

scum.
this isn't how PK would respond if he were town.

It'd be something somewhat similar but a lot more reasoning and shit and a lot less hyberbolic and AtEish.
If he was town who thought I was scum he'd say something more along the lines of 'This isn't town just hurry and lynch he's done this shit in

x

and

y

'.

To be fair, you're also being quite AtEish yourself. Plus you really haven't given a reason other than meta as to

Why

PK is scum. I'll admit PK hasn't been exactly helpful either and his push of you to be lynched seems a little too forced.

For now, however, my vote sticks. I'd like to see you answer why you think PK is scum.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Okay, this RC-PK argument is going nowhere, fast.

Just Isolating jmo16mla and I see a startling lack of substance in his posts right from the moment we started. I feel as though he is deliberately stalling/lurking and want to call him out on it. Here. Now.
VOTE: jmo16mla

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Okay, this RC-PK argument is going nowhere, fast.

Just Isolating jmo16mla and I see a startling lack of substance in his posts right from the moment we started. I feel as though he is deliberately stalling/lurking and want to call him out on it. Here. Now.
VOTE: jmo16mla

I have no idea what you want to do but I am starting to scum read you hard.

You call it scum reading? I call it scum hunting. jmo has had a distinct lack of content this entire game and, while Pisskop and Radiant both seem suspicious (with my preference for scum leaning towards PK than RC right now) in my eyes, I'd prefer if we Lynch All Lurkers.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

For all we know the lurker could also be scum. It's not impossible to see a jmo/PK scumteam with how they've both been acting throughout the game

[RaisusTheFlammie]

For all we know the lurker could also be scum. It's not impossible to see a jmo/PK scumteam with how they've both been acting throughout the game

Why are you trying to push a scumteam including PK but not willing to vote PK?

I only have one vote. I'd rather push the lurker into coughing up info than lynching PK and leaving us with an unknown scum

[RaisusTheFlammie]

P-edit: No, I didn't say that. I said I'd be willing to vote for him if jmo talks, or else if he doesn't, then we, as town haven't lost anything by lynching him. We can always lynch PK tomorrow

[RaisusTheFlammie]

and you're literally doing everything to get me to vote pisskop, which in turn makes you look scummy in return. Either accept that I'm basing this on jmo's reluctance to post or not, tbh i'm fed up of the lot of you. I've half a mind to replace out

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Because you're pushing like crazy for me to do it. Call it paranoia or taking what you've been saying with a pinch of salt. I do not know Pisskop well enough to tell if his so-called meta way of playing town vs playing Scum is any good.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

@RC: Perfectly
@PK: Thanks. I needed that. Thanks for confirming scum

VOTE: Pisskop

[RaisusTheFlammie]

EBWOP: I'm outta here til tomorrow

[RaisusTheFlammie]

VOTE: Raisus

RC help me murder this. Yesterday. If you're town, this is scum.

And how, exactly, am i scum for scumhunting? You've inherited a very bad position, with your predecessor having attacked everyone with flaky statements with the exception of jmo since hes not been here, but been posting enough to avoid a prod.

However, i am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and unvote for now.
UNVOTE: Titus

I still want to hear from jmo. He seems to me to be too quiet.
VOTE: jmo

[RaisusTheFlammie]

I didnt say i was reading TvT, just that nobody seemed to be doing anything of value. Nobody was pushing for a lynch on RC, nor were they attacking PK for his bad form. I'd wanted to see RCs reasoning, which was why I voted with KT against RC, and once i had it, it was just a case of getting PK to respond in a manner than confirmed my belief.

I am still leaning towards your position as scum, but at least you're able to talk to me sensibly, which is why I'm giving you an opportunity to red3em your position, in the meanwhile, lets hear from jmo

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Personally, I'm not sure, there's just something about your responses that just don't sit right with me.

Fence-sitting, but again shows he's keeping an eye on pisskop/Titus.

RaisusTheFlammie

Maybe you could mention what don't sit right with you?

I personally don't like RVS simply because 9 out of 10 times we lynch a townie... (since we really don't have enough to go on other than hunches)

Seemed like an opinion to me.

@pisskop, because, as far as I'm concerned, not responding is anti-town

Damn right I am UNVOTE: ,
VOTE: pisskop

Nah, you just made it clear exactly what your motives are and I don't like it.

Right.


Your whole interaction with me is an example of noncomittence and dodgery.

Give me one example of non-commitance, just one. Seems to me like you're intentionally trying to deflect pressure away from

YOU

instead.

Tunneling on pisskop, but I am still not sure why besides PK not responding to him. RTF, could you say more about this?

RaisusTheFlammie

About post #264:
Do you still believe in a KT/(PK/Titus) scum team?
If yes, what more posts you can see they're buddying?
If no, then what's your new bet?

Woops, my bad, I mean't KT/ZZZX.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

God Dammit. Hit enter too soon. Meant to answer you properly. Sorry about that. (@Mod, please merge this post with that other one if you can?)

1. I think what got me was the attitude of his actions, they felt stilted and as if he was trying to rile me up (Which in effect he did do)
2. that was an opinion, I'm not professing any kind of legitimate claim for that at all.

3. It was probably a case of I got carried away with the argument we were having and forgot to take a step back and look objectively at it.

4. I don't think I've ever professed a KT/ZZZX scumteam, My hunch is on Pisskop/Titus and jmo or KainTepes (this latter one depends entirely on jmo's willingness to co-operate with us and actually post.

p-edit:
5. I figured that much but at the moment, there doesn't seem to be any favourable swing for any party and rather than have the wagon die, I wanted to try and get a counterwagon up on jmo to get him to contribute, it's nothing less than what he deserves for being AFK for so long

[RaisusTheFlammie]

EBWOP: I'm not reluctant, I want to try and get JMO to contribute. I still believe pisskop's the best scumread I've got.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

EBWODP: Isn't the vote the strongest tool available to players during the day phase, scum or not? Shouldn't we be using it more to push players to respond as opposed to attacking people for changing votes to try and get some life into players who would otherwise coast along?

[RaisusTheFlammie]

Yup. Rasius had no problem understanding my issue.

You feel you can't beat it.

MOAR VOTES.

Bye.

This statement is exactly the kind of statement I saw from Pisskop. I actually

don't

know what your problem is with me, and would very much appreciated if you could lay out your points so that I can answer them because I CBA to read through 19 pages of drabble.

Helo!!!!

Hellloooo can you hear me?

You should totally vote RTF with us.

Tch. That was KT's attempt at a prodge.

[RaisusTheFlammie]

I have. I can't see anywhere where you've listed

any

legitimate questions or reasons, you've just flat-out said I'm scum. I need to see what evidence you seem to think you've got for scum, other than just the fact I move my vote around, which, seeing as it's daytime is the

single, most effective tool

a player has for nudging other players into acting, whether they be scum or not.

Right now, I couldn't care less if you Lynch me. It'd just prove you've all been wrong about me right from the start. Of course, I could be lying here, but why would I?

[RaisusTheFlammie]

EBWOP: I've had it with this forum. I'm no longer having fun.

@Mod - Please replace me