Micro 591: Cheetory Mafia [See Who Won!]

UpTooLate · Post Post #16 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:48 pm

VOTE: Spifflop

Deathtunnel as promised.

UpTooLate · Post Post #18 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:02 pm

Beeboy, wagon Spifflop with me please.

UpTooLate · Post Post #21 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:17 pm

We get the guilty tomorrow. Work on the Spifflop today!

UpTooLate · Post Post #23 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:27 pm

In post 22, beeboy wrote:
In post 21, UpTooLate wrote:We get the guilty tomorrow. Work on the Spifflop today!

How do I know you aren't an e\/il Cheeto?
What do I get out of it?

Evil Cheeto? Is that what your role PM said?

VOTE: Beeboy

UpTooLate · Post Post #26 (isolation #4) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:33 pm

@AERO I VOTED THE SCUM KNOWN AS BEEBOY!

<3

UpTooLate · Post Post #33 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:38 pm

*GLARES AT MOD*

(WWCD?)

UpTooLate · Post Post #104 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:53 am

Good morning! Posting before coffee... this is never a great idea.

In post 43, Spifflop wrote:Scared?

~Spiffy

Actually, yes =(

In post 64, pirate mollie wrote:

also y'all are lynching beeboy over my dead body so unless you wanna tangle with me I wld leave him alone!

FIGHT ME! *Hides behind panzer*

Amihan, what are your opinions on the subject of cheetory? Are you pro-cheetory, con-cheetory? Also, I think you're probably town. The mollie/beeboy stuff is pretty null for me this early, but I like that you're actually trying.

Also, I promise you nobody is talking down to you. I'm sorry you've had that experience here, I have too. The thing with this group, is most of them have played together a lot and will form reads based on the meta they have on each other, things that we won't understand just yet. That's what gorkypoo was getting at.

p.edit jfc how much can you people type while I'm working on a single post?!

UpTooLate · Post Post #108 (isolation #7) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:58 am

In post 93, pirate mollie wrote:itelpip is triggering my scumdar out of those 3.

Why is that mollie?

UpTooLate · Post Post #109 (isolation #8) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:01 am

In post 103, PJ. wrote:Also spiffy ping ponging votes all over the place is double suspicious.

FWIW, Hip also throws his votes all over the place like that though, even as town.

UpTooLate · Post Post #111 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:03 am

In post 107, beeboy wrote:UTL deathtunnel spifflop with us

um. I tried to get you to do that with me page 1. You denied me.

UpTooLate · Post Post #113 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:05 am

In post 110, Gorkington wrote:to be fair i dont think hippys been posting much iinm

No, I don't think he has posted at all. I was just saying, that hydra moving votes around a ton isn't really alignment indicative. (well on hip's part. Idk about spiffeh)

UpTooLate · Post Post #137 (isolation #11) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:23 am

In post 122, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 108, UpTooLate wrote:
In post 93, pirate mollie wrote:itelpip is triggering my scumdar out of those 3.

Why is that mollie?

yo beeboy! how much experience have you had with itelpip?

Mollie! I am not beeboy! This saddens me =(

To answer your question, if it is indeed to me, absolutely none, other than noting their name is fun to say every time I see it.

UpTooLate · Post Post #140 (isolation #12) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:25 am

oh UNVOTE:

I'm not thinking beeboy is scum here

UpTooLate · Post Post #147 (isolation #13) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:33 am

Mmm maybe spiff. I'm looking forward to hearing from Chevre and itle soon though.

UpTooLate · Post Post #152 (isolation #14) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:52 am

Who can tell me about scum spiff?

UpTooLate · Post Post #221 (isolation #15) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:18 pm

In post 201, Spifflop wrote:
In post 161, itlepip wrote:hmm, calling a slot null at the offset is suspect? Nice cherrypicking that as well though.

this post really bothers me. Itlepip seems to be trying to play the sides, ride the tides and consult a narrative of a fight between panz/us. I don't think this is a sincere position and the fact that spiffeh bought it hurts me. This is someone trying to cause a 1v1.

VOTE: itlepip

Can you explain what you mean here? Because I'm not seeing it.

UpTooLate · Post Post #248 (isolation #16) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:01 am

In post 142, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 137, UpTooLate wrote:
In post 122, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 108, UpTooLate wrote:
In post 93, pirate mollie wrote:itelpip is triggering my scumdar out of those 3.

Why is that mollie?

yo beeboy! how much experience have you had with itelpip?

Mollie! I am not beeboy! This saddens me =(

To answer your question, if it is indeed to me, absolutely none, other than noting their name is fun to say every time I see it.

I m following a logic chain in order to answer your question but I need beeboy to answer mine first

Hey beeboy answered you, can you answer this for me please?

UpTooLate · Post Post #249 (isolation #17) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:03 am

In post 183, PJ. wrote:2. Sorry, I'm here for the jokes and I've said you were scum multiple times. You are scum, I no longer have any interest in looking at anyone else today so I'm gonna crack jokes for the rest of Day 1. Scum caught, it's a wrap I literally don't have to post anything else for the rest of the day.

If you're so sure spifflop is scum, who do you think is their partner?

UpTooLate · Post Post #254 (isolation #18) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:18 am

In post 253, itlepip wrote:
In post 245, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 232, itlepip wrote:Not too much but generally I think a few posts so far have been at best outliers for his scumplay and I think are pretty town indicative.

which 1s

Holy hell stop asking me the exact same question.

Then answer it please. I was going to ask the same one until I saw mollie ask. The most I remember you ACTUALLY answering anything about your read on beeboy and the posts that make you feel like he's town was his post about his rvs being null. Correct me if I'm wrong?

UpTooLate · Post Post #256 (isolation #19) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:47 am

Beeboy is your top townread off of a rather null post? Also, you said "a few posts so far have been at best outliers for his scumplay and I think are pretty town indicative" but can only give us that one post?

In post 194, itlepip wrote:I am still scumreading panz but that vote just got a little more sticky.'

Yo panz just because you are really easy to catch doesn't mean that you have to attack people to fake AtE. It doesn't work and you are still scum.

Can you explain this a little more please? Why are you scum reading panzer so hard? The most I can see as far as reasoning is your 161, and that's not even a good case. I'll need you to elaborate more please.

Basically what I'm seeing is you having a strong town and a strong scum read, with nothing to really substantiate them.

VOTE: itlepip

UpTooLate · Post Post #258 (isolation #20) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:17 am

In post 199, Spifflop wrote:I'm going to actually read her scumgames that I keep putting off.

Have you done this yet? Would you like links?

UpTooLate · Post Post #261 (isolation #21) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:42 am

In post 259, Gorkington wrote:how are you today utl?

Fanfuckingtastic. How about you gork?

In post 260, Spifflop wrote:pick the best one ill read it tomorrow (doing project I delayed)

This one you'll probably get the most out of (I replace in page 5). My newbie game I replaced in late, clung to a really bad point for scumreading Performer, and then half drunk quickhammered him after he claimed doc. Lynched next day. Was in that game very briefly before I was out of it (scum won though).

Those are my only 2 scum games on site, have fun.

UpTooLate · Post Post #271 (isolation #22) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:02 am

In post 270, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 248, UpTooLate wrote:Hey beeboy answered you, can you answer this for me please?

what was your question again

It was in the quote.

UpTooLate · Post Post #273 (isolation #23) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:04 am

In post 108, UpTooLate wrote:
In post 93, pirate mollie wrote:itelpip is triggering my scumdar out of those 3.

Why is that mollie?

This one

UpTooLate · Post Post #279 (isolation #24) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:18 am

In post 274, itlepip wrote:
In post 256, UpTooLate wrote:Beeboy is your top townread off of a rather null post? Also, you said "a few posts so far have been at best outliers for his scumplay and I think are pretty town indicative" but can only give us that one post?

In post 194, itlepip wrote:I am still scumreading panz but that vote just got a little more sticky.'

Yo panz just because you are really easy to catch doesn't mean that you have to attack people to fake AtE. It doesn't work and you are still scum.

Can you explain this a little more please? Why are you scum reading panzer so hard? The most I can see as far as reasoning is your 161, and that's not even a good case. I'll need you to elaborate more please.

Basically what I'm seeing is you having a strong town and a strong scum read, with nothing to really substantiate them.

VOTE: itlepip

I'm not a great d1 player, and people this game haven't really been doing much in the way of what my tells are, so I don't have many reads.

That doesn't explain why you have such "strong" reads. You're pushing panzer on... what? If you don't have strong reads, just say so.

Fuck I hate phone posting.

UpTooLate · Post Post #294 (isolation #25) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:38 am

In post 284, Spifflop wrote:its taken me like 5 games to be able to kinda read spiffeh. UTL knows that from our hydra chats lol

I can confirm.

UpTooLate · Post Post #297 (isolation #26) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:43 am

In post 282, itlepip wrote:Cause I don't have strong reads early I just sort of exaggerate stuff and flop around. I usually get voted for it, usually around L-2 or L-1 I reread the game and give an updated gamestate. I don't necessarily think this is the optimal strategy but it has always worked for me and I've found is decent at getting reads for myself. That being said I don't like Panzer's entrance to the game much and it had an exaggerated quality, but I've been dialing that read back after it hit town a few too many times.

What are your "tells?"

This to me feels like back pedaling.

I'm typically terrible day 1, I feel your pain there. I just don't see the reasoning behind acting like you have such strong reads when you can't back them up? You've done nothing really other than defend beeboy for... idek. And go after panzer for... bad entrance? Is that what we're going with?

UpTooLate · Post Post #299 (isolation #27) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:45 am

In post 286, PJ. wrote:I don't like the people on the pip wagon, but I think that he is really really scummy. The saving grace on this guy is that the people on his wagon are also scummy.

Pedit: I KNOW MOLLIE HOLY SHIT

Why am I scummy? Earlier you said you'd have to reread to remember how you felt about me, but never followed up. Now I'm scummy? Please elaborate. Thanks!

UpTooLate · Post Post #335 (isolation #28) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:33 pm

In post 319, Chevre wrote:There's something strange about his use of the phrase "Evil Cheeto" for instance, as though he knows it's something in this game.
I certainly know nothing about that.

Just a note; the first part of this sentence resonates with me because I thought it was odd too, which is when I originally voted beeboy. The bolded part, however, is really weird and doesn't sit right with me. Why the need to say that? It feels so forced and awkward.

I'm tired and I have a headache. I'll finish catching up later. That part just hit me really wrong.

UpTooLate · Post Post #340 (isolation #29) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:02 pm

Amihan, do you think Panzer's more laid back joking style is contributing to your read on him? The above quote isn't something I would have taken seriously, or put towards anything. I think he was just trying to explain the difference between Chevre and himself, not trying to represent himself as a "strong player."

p.edit Remind me, what is your read on itle, and why? Spifflop? I'm sure you've already told us, a reminder would be appreciated, though. Thank you =)

UpTooLate · Post Post #375 (isolation #30) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:38 am

I completely agree with gork about chevre's catchup. The only think I liked about it was the first part of what I quoted earlier, which was the original reason for my beeboy vote, and even that's not anything worth writing home about. I'd prefer itle today, simply because his "reads" just seem to be made up and lack anything to really support them. He said he had posts (plural!) to back his beeboy gut townread but provided a single "meh" post. He's now back pedaling and using being bad on Day1 as an excuse and I really, really don't like that.

I'm having a hard time deciding what I feel about spifflop to be completely honest. I can't tell if I'm getting a negative vibe on them because I'm somewhat paranoid I won't be able to read them properly, or if I'm legit getting bad feelings from that slot. I agree with hip about gork's pushback on chevre, but I didn't like Spiff for town at all. Again, trying to figure out where my feelings on that slot are coming from, which is why I'm hesitant to say they're scum.

UpTooLate · Post Post #380 (isolation #31) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:57 am

Preemptive request: Can we not get into a dick measuring contest please? That's not something I can participate in, and I'd feel really left out. Thanks.

UpTooLate · Post Post #383 (isolation #32) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:04 am

Panzer, can you give me your thoughts on itle please? Earlier you said he was on the scummy side of things and never really went anywhere with that iirc.

UpTooLate · Post Post #385 (isolation #33) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:07 am

Also, gork, I wouldn't say that I can read you myself, but your head seems to be in the same place mine is, which is what gives you a townlean for me. Same for mollie.

UpTooLate · Post Post #390 (isolation #34) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:10 am

In post 387, PJ. wrote:He's acting scummy

You kind of already said that. I'm looking for a little more depth please. How exactly is he acting scummy?

UpTooLate · Post Post #393 (isolation #35) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:15 am

In post 391, PJ. wrote:He;s been non commital and asking empty questions to try to appear like he's scumhunting while also remaining on the fence on just about every issue and push a wagon on a mostly lurker using the same reasons that are making cheetington himself scummy.

Now was that so hard?

You currently have 3 scumreads then, am I correct? Spiff, cheet, and itle? What are your thoughts on Chevre's catch up post?

UpTooLate · Post Post #400 (isolation #36) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:24 am

In post 397, PJ. wrote:The only way Chev's actions are scummy are if hippo is scum

I'm going to completely disagree with you there. I had chevre down as scum by poe before his post, but his catchup feels fake and "I need to post content looking things so they don't suspect me" which has zero correlation with spifflop whatsoever.

UpTooLate · Post Post #401 (isolation #37) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:24 am

Back to back page tops whaaaaaaaaat?!

UpTooLate · Post Post #407 (isolation #38) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:46 am

Ok Spiff, I know you think panzer is scum, and hip disagrees. Do you agree with him on itle being scum?

UpTooLate · Post Post #410 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:29 am

In post 408, Spifflop wrote:UTL I noticed earlier you said something about having reservations about me specifically, could you elaborate on that?

Yes. I think a lot of it is that you weren't engaging anybody. You were saying a lot, but it wasn't moving the game forward (I think mollie may have mentioned something to this effect? Or maybe it was about hip? Or maybe I'm completely wrong and mollie didn't say anything about this whatsoever?) and it was just making a lot of noise. I understand you guys for some reason were wanting to draw a bunch of attention to yourselves (doesn't make any sense to me btw) but none of it was good.

UpTooLate · Post Post #417 (isolation #40) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:20 pm

I'll get back to this in a bit, and answer you more in depth Spiff. We're going to see Zootopia =D

I'm thinking town on Panz.

Chevre.. I'm not sure why you reacted that way. If we're misguided about you or your thoughts, just show us.

UpTooLate · Post Post #467 (isolation #41) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:34 pm

I'm sorry. I'll be here tomorrow after I sleep.

UpTooLate · Post Post #608 (isolation #42) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:39 am

I don't think I've ever been in a game where people bounced ideas around. That sounds nice. Anyway, catching up now.

UpTooLate · Post Post #610 (isolation #43) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:43 am

Is it just me or is Arist trying to buddy really hard with Gorky?

UpTooLate · Post Post #619 (isolation #44) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:50 am

That may be true Gork, but like it's kind of overdone and... too sickeningly sweet? If that makes sense. It's just not making me feel good about him at all. I have to take my son to school, content post coming after.

UpTooLate · Post Post #646 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:33 am

JFC I'm gone for like half an hour and all hell breaks loose. You know, I was really excited to play this game because 1. The theme 2. The mod and 3. I was playing with friends. Most of you know that I'm easily overwhelmed and frustrated, and for ONCE I was going into a game feeling more at ease and less pressured because it was with friends. Because of that, this is the first game I've been able to get my own reads on early, and feel confident about them. Now it's turned into a fucking shit show and it's not even fun. At this point I'd almost rather go back to my homesite where they no lynch almost every fucking day and docs don't protect people because "they don't trust them."

p.edit PJ, Mafia can be a pleasant experience when you don't have people intentionally trying to make it an unpleasant one.

UpTooLate · Post Post #648 (isolation #46) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:39 am

Absolutely not. That's so fucking disrespectful to Aero. You don't have to stay if you don't want to.

UpTooLate · Post Post #663 (isolation #47) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:58 am

In post 662, Amihan wrote:Can we all just pause for a day instead of death spiraling into some sort of replacocalypse? Jesus.

UpTooLate · Post Post #681 (isolation #48) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:26 am

In post 679, Amihan wrote:
In post 663, UpTooLate wrote:
In post 662, Amihan wrote:Can we all just pause for a day instead of death spiraling into some sort of replacocalypse? Jesus.

Hey guys! Amihan and I agree on this! Let's start here and move on. I'm really trying to get motivation to play this game right now.

also Aris/itle scum team.

I think I'm one of the few (if not only) ones not scumreading spifflop? But that's a gut thing, and hip's a tricky as scum sooo there's that.

I'll post my promised content post later when everyone is done arguing. I don't want it lost in the drama.

UpTooLate · Post Post #683 (isolation #49) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:54 am

Oh I'll post it. I just want to make sure it's not going to get buried.

UpTooLate · Post Post #687 (isolation #50) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:05 am

Beeboy's right. I'll go quote gather and explain my aris read.

UpTooLate · Post Post #697 (isolation #51) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:44 pm

Can we just love each other and get along please? <3

UpTooLate · Post Post #699 (isolation #52) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:51 pm

Maybe. I had this big long Aris post that got lost when I hit submit and the thread was locked =( Loooooong post short, the buddying to cheet is over the top, as is the fake "read" he got on his predecessor.

I'm really liking him and itle for our scum team right now.

UpTooLate · Post Post #702 (isolation #53) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:53 pm

Let me go back and look through his ISO again. I think I liked how genuine he felt in his posts, and nothing stood out as scummy as say itle.

UpTooLate · Post Post #703 (isolation #54) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:01 pm

I didn't like his tunnel on you, buuuut I still don't think he's scum.

UpTooLate · Post Post #706 (isolation #55) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:22 pm

I take it beeboy doesn't want to get along =(

UpTooLate · Post Post #708 (isolation #56) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:31 pm

Please explain that? Because I wanted everyone to calm down and not be at each other's throats as much as you did?

UpTooLate · Post Post #709 (isolation #57) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:32 pm

Please tell me the scum motive behind that?

UpTooLate · Post Post #713 (isolation #58) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:42 pm

So beeboy joke votes me from a quote about us all getting along, you piggyback off that with your vote, beeboy unvotes me, and now you do too?

Back to this I guess. Not that I expect it to actually happen anymore even with a replacement to reinforce it. What to do, what to do.

That sounds so fake =/

UpTooLate · Post Post #716 (isolation #59) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:45 pm

Who said I wasn't townreading you? Did I vote? Did I saw I wasn't townreading you? Nope. I'm trying to make sense of the logic, and pointing out it looks kind of weird.

UpTooLate · Post Post #718 (isolation #60) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:48 pm

I said one sentence sounded fake. But ok.

UpTooLate · Post Post #763 (isolation #61) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:24 pm

Gork please come back =( I'm dying of the plague and this is my last wish. Also, my phone autocorrected Gork to gorgeous. Just thought you should know.

UpTooLate · Post Post #775 (isolation #62) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:30 pm

Hi. I'm going to catch up hopefully tomorrow, but in the mean time, errant, can you explain your potential scum read on me? I see my name mentioned but no details to your thought process?

UpTooLate · Post Post #777 (isolation #63) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:10 pm

In post 776, Papa Zito wrote:
I mean

(I'm sorry I had to)

UpTooLate · Post Post #795 (isolation #64) » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:48 am

In post 779, Papa Zito wrote:It doesn't help that the person who is making this post is extremely active on site yet can't seem to keep up with a game that's moving at a snail's pace, and hasn't left much of a mark on the game even when around.

Dude I'm sick as hell and I'm trying to keep up on my reading but not really up to actually playing rn. I asked the question so hopefully he'd respond before I was ready to reapond and it'd be less time wasted.

UpTooLate · Post Post #799 (isolation #65) » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:32 pm

In post 779, Papa Zito wrote:

In post 775, UpTooLate wrote:errant, can you explain your potential scum read on me?

I've found, generally, that scum tend to be more defensive than offensive in games, which basically goes with mentality - mafia essentially just need to wait the clock out, survive to the end. This question just reeks of this mindset, it's "I see a threat and want to head it off" vs. "I want to find the scumz".
The use of the word "potential" is what really caused my furrowed brow when reading this.

This isn't the case at all, quite the opposite actually. The way I see it, he listed 4 "potential scum"

(his words, not mine btw)

: 2 already having wagons, one who is making herself look scummy with her latest posts, and me. Now, if he doesn't have anything to back that up, is that not something to consider? I didn't ask about Ari and Itle, because I see those cases myself. He had somewhat of a timeline on his read on Ami. Me, however, he mentioned my push on itle and my "attack on chevre" which he said wasn't bad, but then said it was "potentialscum - potentialscum interactions" (which I don't understand the logic, was going to ask about that when I actually felt up to playing) and that was about it other than some associatives. Basically, I was trying to figure out if my name was thrown in a pile with already scummy looking people because he had good reasoning, or if there were other motives behind it.

In post 779, Papa Zito wrote:

In post 775, UpTooLate wrote:I see my name mentioned but no details to your thought process?

Another thing I've noted, again
generally
, is that scum players tend to scan the thread for their names. This is related to the first bit - the more you're being discussed, the greater danger you're in. As a town player idgaf if people are talking about me unless there's heavy dissonance in what they're saying in which case I want to pry open their brainmeat and poke around a bit.

It doesn't help that the person who is making this post is extremely active on site yet can't seem to keep up with a game that's moving at a snail's pace, and hasn't left much of a mark on the game even when around.

^ aka "I mean"

I wasn't scanning at all, and I guess my wording is what brought you to that conclusion? Anyway, I explained why I brought it up, and I've already explained why I said I was going to need to catch up.

UpTooLate · Post Post #841 (isolation #66) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:17 am

In post 800, Spifflop wrote:zito is right, UTL. It is a bit suspicious that you don't seem to have a problem responding to things about you, but are fine to ignore other sections of the game? I understand you're sick but you have to understand why someone would find that shady.

I do, which is why I was just trying to explain why I wanted to hear from Errant, and I wasn't intentionally ignoring other sections of the game. Annnyyywhoo.

I still think itle/ari are scum and I'd be good with a lynch on either one of them today. Preferably itle. His push on panzer was bad, his inability to give any substantiating evidence on reads he seemed to feel so strongly about was bad, his vote on Ari was weak "He's trying to go for the genuine townread and its falling super flat." and he hasn't pushed it at all.

UpTooLate · Post Post #849 (isolation #67) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:55 am

In post 842, itlepip wrote:quick points, I can say that it should be easy to determine that me and Ari are not together. As scum I am generally much more tryhard, and especially if the wagon was on my partner I would be doing a lot more. If y'all want I can make a case but I'm not super interested given how just 1v1 this game is right now between me and him. Not lynching either of us and getting some sort of investigative might be a fairly good EV play since it confirms two people but I am fairly certain that's not going to happen given what will happen later today.

I hate self meta. "Let me tell you what I would be doing as scum so maybe you'll rethink me being scum."

And yes. Make a case please.

In post 844, itlepip wrote:I'm a PGO, claiming now so I don't kill an invest.

What's a PGO?

UpTooLate · Post Post #877 (isolation #68) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:10 pm

In post 854, Cheetory6 wrote:UTL.
Ignoring your reads on itle/Aristophanes, how are you feeling about the rest of the playerlist?

Ignoring those two, beeboy's been concerning me as of late. It's like he realized he was mostly being townread and is coasting on that. He's not posted much since our little "cool down" and I'm not sure how I feel about

the way

he jumped on the itle wagon. If itle flipped green (pretty sure he won't) I'd be looking at beeboy.

Spifflop I'm hesitant to say is town, but again, that's mostly my personal paranoia that they're pulling one over on me =/

I was town reading Panzer, and Papa Z hasn't done anything to change that. Going to go back and look at Errant's entrance and his response to my question, but I didn't see anything that really made me feel off about that slot either. Gork/cheet still town.

I'm forgetting somebody....

Oh. Amihan. Um, well. I had a pretty firm town read on her, but her latest posts struck me wrong. Like, her original vote on me is whatever (I thought the reason was bad but maybe she really felt off about it), but it felt like she was trying to jump on something she thought beeboy was doing, and as soon as he unvoted, so did she. And then when I called her on it, she got overly defensive instead of trying to talk to me about it, and then found another bad reason to vote me.

Hm. Now I want to reevaluate my Ari read based on the above.

Or actually.. hmm. Maybe Itle. Because like, would he really fake PGO as scum with people he's done that before? I don't know him, so I don't know what lengths he's willing to go to.

UpTooLate · Post Post #878 (isolation #69) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:16 pm

In post 876, Aristophanes wrote:Why is he being scumread?

Spoiler: My Super Lazy Way Of Answering This For Ari

In post 256, UpTooLate wrote:Beeboy is your top townread off of a rather null post? Also, you said "a few posts so far have been at best outliers for his scumplay and I think are pretty town indicative" but can only give us that one post?

In post 194, itlepip wrote:I am still scumreading panz but that vote just got a little more sticky.'

Yo panz just because you are really easy to catch doesn't mean that you have to attack people to fake AtE. It doesn't work and you are still scum.

Can you explain this a little more please? Why are you scum reading panzer so hard? The most I can see as far as reasoning is your 161, and that's not even a good case. I'll need you to elaborate more please.

Basically what I'm seeing is you having a strong town and a strong scum read, with nothing to really substantiate them.

VOTE: itlepip

In post 297, UpTooLate wrote:
In post 282, itlepip wrote:Cause I don't have strong reads early I just sort of exaggerate stuff and flop around. I usually get voted for it, usually around L-2 or L-1 I reread the game and give an updated gamestate. I don't necessarily think this is the optimal strategy but it has always worked for me and I've found is decent at getting reads for myself. That being said I don't like Panzer's entrance to the game much and it had an exaggerated quality, but I've been dialing that read back after it hit town a few too many times.

What are your "tells?"

This to me feels like back pedaling.

I'm typically terrible day 1, I feel your pain there. I just don't see the reasoning behind acting like you have such strong reads when you can't back them up? You've done nothing really other than defend beeboy for... idek. And go after panzer for... bad entrance? Is that what we're going with?

In post 841, UpTooLate wrote:
I still think itle/ari are scum and I'd be good with a lynch on either one of them today. Preferably itle. His push on panzer was bad, his inability to give any substantiating evidence on reads he seemed to feel so strongly about was bad, his vote on Ari was weak "He's trying to go for the genuine townread and its falling super flat." and he hasn't pushed it at all.

UpTooLate · Post Post #928 (isolation #70) » Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:04 pm

Less than 2 days. Just need 2 more for itle, boys and girls.

UpTooLate · Post Post #931 (isolation #71) » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:27 pm

Spifflop, come join me over here. This wagon is fun. You too, PZ.

UpTooLate · Post Post #939 (isolation #72) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:47 am

Come sit next to me on the wagon.

UpTooLate · Post Post #940 (isolation #73) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:48 am

In post 932, itlepip wrote:
In post 931, UpTooLate wrote:Spifflop, come join me over here. This wagon is fun. You too, PZ.

Yo ETL why am I scum?

UTL*

Because you got a scum role pm.

Also, I've answered that already, most recently in a spoiler to Ari. Are you even reading the game?

UpTooLate · Post Post #946 (isolation #74) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:52 am

WORDS.

I would be ok with an Ari lynch today, but I'd really prefer itle. Besides him being scummy, his PGO claim makes me nervous because 1) he's lied about it before and 2) he's made it to where we can't investigate him and he has an excuse as to why he won't be nightkilled. (I did read what a PGO is correctly, right? ANYBODY who visits him gets killed?)

UpTooLate · Post Post #953 (isolation #75) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:57 am

In post 948, Spifflop wrote:The fact that he claimed PGO is what's making me hesitant about it actually lol

Like why would he use that fakeclaim again?

Especially since hippy was apparently in the same game he fakeclaimed in

~Spiffy

That was my original thought too, but we can go back and forth with that allllll day. We don't have time for that.

Tell me why you think he could be town, other than PGO claim.

UpTooLate · Post Post #956 (isolation #76) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:59 am

Itle, look at my ISO. I'm not doing your work for you, especially because I just tl;dr it for Ari.

UpTooLate · Post Post #957 (isolation #77) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:01 am

I know =( I'm not townreading Ari, but my suspicions are stronger with Itle. Also, isn't Amihan supposed to be here today?

UpTooLate · Post Post #958 (isolation #78) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:07 am

In post 955, Spifflop wrote:I mean itlepip is still in my PoE list and all so it's not the end of the world if we lynch him

I just like getting my way

~Spiffy

Tell me why he's POE scum and not lynch this with fire scum. Bc I don't see it.

UpTooLate · Post Post #963 (isolation #79) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:17 am

Amihan has dropped in my list, but Zito is still town for me, as was PJ. But we can discuss that tomorrow.

I just skimmed your case against Ari, and I agree that Ari is probably scum here, and I'd be willing to go that direction if I can't get itle lynched, but that would be a last minute move, and only if it was guaranteeing we get a lynch today. I really really want itle.

Also, is

anybody

town reading itle? I can't remember. Ari maybe?

UpTooLate · Post Post #969 (isolation #80) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:25 am

[3] Aristophanes - itlepip, Spifflop, Papa Zito

Itle's vote is on Ari, and with 2 people here actively pushing for his lynch, he's DOING NOTHING. He's not pushing his Ari case, he's not really trying to save his ass. Like come on.

UpTooLate · Post Post #974 (isolation #81) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:31 am

I'm talking about right here, right now. We're all here talking, and you're not actively trying to convince us to vote Ari instead.

UpTooLate · Post Post #992 (isolation #82) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:27 pm

In post 989, Papa Zito wrote:Amihan's silence is deafening as fuck.

She's promised us she'd be here, so I'm assuming she's got something good. I'll get the popcorn going.

UpTooLate · Post Post #993 (isolation #83) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:27 pm

Didn't you already claim?

UpTooLate · Post Post #1007 (isolation #84) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:44 pm

..........

the fuck.

(points for Destiny's Child)

That's cute though, I'm opportunistic because you "aren't scum"? You're acting scummy, I am to assume you're scum. How in the hell would I know if that was true or not?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but how does your "soft" make sense? How does lynching a survivor hurt town's wincon?

UpTooLate · Post Post #1011 (isolation #85) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:52 pm

I want to hear from Amihan before there's a hammer please.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1013 (isolation #86) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:54 pm

Ninja'd!

UpTooLate · Post Post #1015 (isolation #87) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:57 pm

I know, I know. But she said she'd be here, and should have the opportunity to catch up and respond to everything.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1024 (isolation #88) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:11 pm

EP, please let Amihan share her thoughts.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1102 (isolation #89) » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:28 am

In post 1041, Spifflop wrote:down to hammer

just waiting for ani or w.e

In post 1057, Spifflop wrote:ugh @ ami

Why

didn't

you hammer? You were obviously here after she came and said she didn't have anything to contribute (after making us wait for a few hours).

UpTooLate · Post Post #1115 (isolation #90) » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:19 am

In post 1110, Spifflop wrote:he's saying we were distancing ourselves?

honestly UTL I can't remember why I didn't hammer. IIRC I was at rehearsal at that point and it may have slipped my mind?
we were obviously in favour of that lynch lol

That's why it felt weird that you didn't hammer =/

UpTooLate · Post Post #1123 (isolation #91) » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:50 am

Idk, I'm kind of considering an Amihan wagon, but I need to look through her ISO first and I'm too tired for that right now.

I'm not currently down for a zito or spiff lynch, beeboy. Pokemon Ep 2 kind of ruined any faith I had in you tbh.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1126 (isolation #92) » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:00 am

I agree on EP, but not the other two. Amihan was off the wagon. Talk to me about her.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1131 (isolation #93) » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:07 am

What was your read on Panzer, beeboy?

p.edit. I don't remember that, mixing games up?

UpTooLate · Post Post #1136 (isolation #94) » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:17 am

In post 1132, beeboy wrote:I had Panzer at null.

My scum reads going into this day where Cheeto and Spifflop.
So I am using POE on day 2 don't judge me.

Cheeto? Really? He was a pretty solid town read for me. You were obviously wrong about him, any chance you're wrong about Spiff?

In post 1134, beeboy wrote:UTL outside of Amihan who do you want to lynch?

I don't know if I'm set on Ami yet, I'm rereading the game at some point today or tomorrow. Itle flipping SK messed with my itle/ari scum team theory and I need to reevaluate, so I might change my mind about everything when I'm done. =/

UpTooLate · Post Post #1145 (isolation #95) » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:40 am

Wait, explain it to the sleep deprived girl. What does the vote count have to do with your suspicion on him? You said nothing townie has been coming from that slot, please elaborate?

P. edit, I'd like some light shed on the cheeto read as well.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1196 (isolation #96) » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:43 am

I'm sick again =(

Looking through ISOs, Ami where did your panzer tunnel go? What's your read on Papa Zito?

UpTooLate · Post Post #1219 (isolation #97) » Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:37 am

In post 1218, Spifflop wrote:Because no one can give a good reason to townread Aristophanes yet they refuse to vote for him

~Spiffy

I don't see Ari/Ami as a scum team together, though I have scum reads on both. I'd like Ami come back and engage the game instead of dropping an empty vote before I decide how I feel about her. The beginning of the day, I thought she was town but wrong. I didn't agree with any of her pushes, but they didn't stand out like itle's and then later Ari's. Her jump on me was terrrriiiible, and I really hate how she disappeared and a crucial time at the end of the day.

That being said, if they aren't partners together I'm not sure who the other scum would be. =/

UpTooLate · Post Post #1227 (isolation #98) » Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:07 am

Why are you town reading Ari?

UpTooLate · Post Post #1229 (isolation #99) » Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:09 am

I don't like your play today beeboy. How about a real answer?

UpTooLate · Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:35 am

In post 1202, Spifflop wrote:I think you obvscummed early and are now trying to play like a fool to try and survive

Reread Ari's ISO, and I agree with this.

VOTE: Aristophanes

UpTooLate · Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:13 am

Pokemon Ep 2 all over again beeboy, unless you're scum this time. I'll claim with intent, thanks.

Wanna enlighten me on your vote, btw?

UpTooLate · Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:22 am

Lol ok.

Forgive me if I don't trust your pushes and am not comfortable being on a wagon with one of my scum reads.

Enjoy parking your vote on me though.

P.edit the only reason I have a town read on you is bc I think mollie slot and spifflop are town and I'm sheeping them in regards to you. Other than that I'm pretty much inclined to not trust you in any game rn.

UpTooLate · Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:43 am

One of them is his, so only one.

Also, beeboy, I just went through your D2 ISO, I don't even see your reasons for voting Ami? Can you point those out please? Like you wanted me on that wagon but did nothing to actually sell me on it.

UpTooLate · Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:52 am

I didn't say that. I think you're scummy when you're scum or town. I can't read you.

UpTooLate · Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:39 am

I'm sure Zulfy will have some fantastic thoughts when he's done catching up, right Zulf?

UpTooLate · Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:45 am

Damn you, Zito! Now that song is stuck in my head.

UpTooLate · Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:16 am

Right?

Hey Aero, what are your reads?

p.edit Thanks Zulfy!

UpTooLate · Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:47 pm

In post 1281, Amihan wrote:I'd probably be defaulting to my kind of stale Panzer/EP scumread,
if
I wasn't already certain UTL was scum.

If anyone else needs the bare minimum to be convinced, just look at the nightkill... Or, what wasn't the nightkill.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand you. You're saying that after a few people were casting doubt on me at the end of yesterday, I kill one of the people that were town reading me and could help me today? And remind me, when did you think EP slot was scum other than with beeboy?

UNVOTE:
I don't think I'm comfortable with anyone at L-1 right now.

UpTooLate · Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:16 pm

I don't think I've ever seen it amount to anything though?

UpTooLate · Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:52 pm

You're getting me excited here Zulfy. Don't let me down.

UpTooLate · Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:58 am

In post 1299, Errantparabola wrote:So.. looking at UTL's recent posts, I think beeboy might be right on spiff/ami but there's still this part of me that there was something inexplicably town about spifflop's iso.
I think UTL might still the best lynch for today. Would compromise on amihan or aristophanes

Town lynches are never the best lynches. =/

UpTooLate · Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:35 am

Pretend my vote is still on Ari. I want Zulfy to catch up and there have been too many shenanigans in recent games for me to be comfortable with him sitting at L-1 until everyone is caught up and on the same page.

UpTooLate · Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:39 am

I'd also like Ami hand to have a chance to come back and engage since she's V/LA. (And if you've got nothing to say this time, please don't make us wait for hours again. Thanks.)

UpTooLate · Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:14 pm

In post 1314, Amihan wrote:
In post 1312, UpTooLate wrote:I'd also like Ami hand to have a chance to come back and engage since she's V/LA. (And if you've got nothing to say this time, please don't make us wait for hours again. Thanks.)

This is not town.

Huh? I need you to engage with us so I can sort you?

In post 1318, Amihan wrote:
I was liking EP a lot more than Panzer. The duality of this post makes me think I should
probably
be rethinking that... but to be honest I don't care to delve into the details on it right now and I'm still pretty good with not lynching him any time soon.

I'm confused... are you thinking EP is in the Panzer slot? EP is in the mollie slot, Zito is in the Panzer slot. Or am I misunderstanding you?

UpTooLate · Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:03 am

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Happy Easter!

Hopefully everyone gets caught up soon and we can get this game moving forward again.

UpTooLate · Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:51 pm

Psst, Amihan. Just because you say it a thousand times doesn't make it true. Just FYI.

UpTooLate · Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:00 pm

In post 1330, Amihan wrote:UTL is scum. Guaranteed.

Do we get our money back when it comes out that I'm not?

UpTooLate · Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:42 am

I take it Zulfy is caught up? Ari claim?

UpTooLate · Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:01 am

This game has lost so much steam. Remind me?

UpTooLate · Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:30 am

Ari, after a super speedy glance at your ISO, I didn't see a claim (not saying I didn't miss it). I don't understand why you haven't done so yet. Let me make it more clear.

I have intent to hammer

.

UpTooLate · Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:06 am

VOTE: Aristo

Let's just move on.

UpTooLate · Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:36 am

I feel like the death of Cheetory killed Cheetory Mafia. =/

UpTooLate · Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:05 pm

Aero forgot about us.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:53 am

And it's LyLo =/

I really don't understand how they're choosing NKs. Zulfy didn't have time to do much of anything and I didn't see any softs?

Theorizing that Zulf's mason flip clears EP. Which means it's between Amihan, Spifflop and PZ. If I remember correctly, Mollie was deadset on Spifflop being scum, and with my theory that the slot is cleared, I'm thinking that's worth looking into again when I have the time.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:00 am

Spifflop/PZ?

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:08 pm

In post 1430, Spifflop wrote:I'd like to think UTL wouldn't be able to fool me this hard if she were scum

~Spiffy

Wow. I don't know how to take that.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:12 pm

In post 1432, Spifflop wrote:
In post 64, pirate mollie wrote:also y'all are lynching beeboy over my dead body so unless you wanna tangle with me I wld leave him alone!

Yea with this I'm pretty sure that EP is the mason

I'm surprised scum didn't catch on tbh

~Spiffy

Here's my thing. Amihan was calling out their weird thing beginning of game. I'd think if she was scum she may have been looking for something like that and would have killed one of them early on. EP is pretty much confirmed. I'm town.

POE leaves you two =/

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:15 pm

I didn't like Amihan's end of D1 or any of her D2. Something in the back of my head is telling me she's not scum though, so Idk.

p.edit, I'll find quotes. But she was super sure beeboy and mollie were scum bc of it at first.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:18 pm

In post 71, Amihan wrote:Panzer can keep ignoring me but I actually noticed something better

VOTE: beeboy

beeboy and mollie. They seem to be subtly gravitating their play around each other: beeboy made multiple RVS comments about mollie being scum together (also I think scum has reason to claim scum in RVS because it's an easy way to start off "jokingly"), and mollie defending beeboy from Spiffeh right away in her first real post only confirms that on the other side.

Thinking about it, it'd be a pretty brilliant move to actually claim scum with your partner and play it off as a joke that beeboy wouldn't have risked making in case one of you flips.

Mainly this one. I think there's more, I'm being lazy.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:23 pm

Spiff, I've been hesitant on you guys alll game bc paranoia. Mostly bc I was afraid you'd pull one over on me, and Mollie was so dead set on you guys being scum =/

And one of Ami/PZ has tricked me and that makes me sad. Ami was pretty hard on scum!Panzer for a while, I'll go look at that at some point.

I need to go find what PJ/PZ has done bc I can't remember.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:41 pm

Everything about he beginning of her D1 seemed so genuine to me. I didn't agree with anything she was doing, but I still felt like it came from Town.

I'm actually going to go ISO you guys with PJ/PZ.

Damnit. I wasn't going to play mafia today.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:52 pm

I never said it was a smoking gun. More of a gut feeling.

That being said, if I don't find something substantial with you guys I'll have to go back and look at her again.

p. edit did you point that out somewhere? Where?

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:55 pm

In post 1445, UpTooLate wrote:Everything about he beginning of her D1 seemed so genuine to me. I didn't agree with anything she was doing, but I still felt like it came from Town.

It wasn't just that one thing that makes me feel like she's town. It's ^^

P.edit Oh yeah. I didn't know what you were talking about tbh. TY.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:57 pm

Ok idk what "scum theater" looks like tbh.

Early day 1, we had Panzer/you arguing and Ami going after panzer.

I don't even know what to do with any of that.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:02 pm

Zito, mason would have to be in Ami/EP since none of us have claimed it, and Amihan was considering beeboy/mollie scumteam. Why would she vote her mason partner?

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:05 pm

I'd gamble and say that's not what was going on. Especially with the way mollie was with beeboy. But ok.

UpTooLate · Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:27 pm

In post 1458, Spifflop wrote:But UTL has looked so town all game

~Spiffy

BC I am.

I'm going to reread this game tomorrow, fresh perspective.

UpTooLate · Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:45 am

Can we have your attention now please?

Other than wanting to lynch me for, in your words, an objectively dumb reason, do you have other reasons? Where are you on your other 2 lynch candidates? If you had to pick scumteam right now, who would it be?

UpTooLate · Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:03 am

I still have to reread bc

someone

got me addicted to League and I did that instead of mafia this weekend.

But like I've been townreading every fucking slot that's left so I'm kind of frustrated.

Gut is strongly saying Amihan is town here though which again, would leave you and Zito.

UpTooLate · Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:18 am

When Zulfy flipped.

UpTooLate · Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:22 pm

I'll read through all of that later, but to not halt progress, I'm a Cheetory.

UpTooLate · Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:23 pm

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:46 am

In post 1496, Spifflop wrote:
In post 1469, UpTooLate wrote:I still have to reread bc
someone
got me addicted to League and I did that instead of mafia this weekend.

But like I've been townreading every fucking slot that's left so I'm kind of frustrated.

Gut is strongly saying Amihan is town here though which again, would leave you and Zito.

you're going to reread soon, yea? I don't think a gutread on amihan is enough to really put much faith in lylo

I'm pretty confident in zito being town. Spiffeh keeps talking me down there, but like both of the people in that slot have read super town. And I can see utl/amihan much more than I can see other combos. The weird cop gambit followed by stopping it right before people started getting serious about deciding between the wagons is suspect. Seems like it was a very strange bus.

I have my coffee, I'm going to start reading again right now. Hip, my gut usually does better than my brain these days, so I have more faith in that in general.

The gambit wasn't a bus. It was either a reaction test gone wrong or an attempt to be RC, I'm not sure which.

Anyway, my turn to reread.

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:37 am

Hey Amihan, do you have any scumgames onsite I can look at?

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:41 am

Also, I know you've had a hard time getting into this game, but with it being lylo, it would be super awesome if you could be here more please.

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:42 am

Hip did you read my scumgames that I linked you?

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:03 am

Also, hip, why

were

you and Spiff trying to get more attention on you this game?

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:05 am

Lol ok yeah. That makes sense.

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:08 am

Your hydra is really bugging me. So far in my reread, I want to read spiff as scum and you as town. This is where my paranoia kicks back in bc I know what happened when you were townread in Midsummer.

But I had forgotten about the spiff/pj thing, and I don't think that was scum v scum? Which would mean Amihan would have to be scum with one of you.

Fuck. I'll go keep reading. I really just want to play league though =(

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:16 am

But Amihan still feels so townie

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:48 am

Annd now she's not anymore. Like 707 712 715 717 were soooo terribly bad. And then she had her "reaction test" yesterday. But she also still wants to lynch me but admits her reason isn't a good one.

(This is taking forever because dance parties and magic shows with Aria. =D)

UpTooLate · Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:29 am

Ok I have to take a break now. So far my reread has me rethinking my Ami gutread, now especially with her recent lurking (she's been active onsite since day start).

Anyway, I'll be back later.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:10 am

Idk a lot about setup spec, but with only having a mason flip, I'm inclined to believe that claim, unless EP has a reason we shouldn't? Like if he's more than just a mason.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:03 pm

Playing games alone isn't fun.

If Amihan is tracker, that means we have our Zito/Spifflop scumteam. I know Zito is V/LA, but I don't like how Spifflop has disappeared.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:31 pm

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:02 pm

So PZ/Spifflop scumteam.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:07 pm

I'm not having a fantastic night, so I'm going to step away from this particular game right now. I'll come back in the morning with a clear head.

p.edit. I really implore you to look at mollies spifflop read. I'm regretting not letting myself scumread them bc I was afraid of my own paranoia.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:41 pm

I'm too pissy to leave this alone.

No spiffy, I'm pushing you because I should have a long fucking time ago. Mollie (conftown) wanted you dead all day one (except when she briefly went to Ari). I haven't read your head as town all fucking game, but hip apparently had me fooled. I shouldn't have been so afraid of my own paranoia about the two of you and let myself scumread you.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:04 pm

Like I feel like I know how this is going to go, especially with Amihan saying she probably isn't going to change her mind and she's been wanting me lynched for a while. I'm so demotivated right now, I just want this to be fucking over. If Amihan is actually tracker like her claim seems to check out to be, the scumteam has to be spiff/zito. No, panzer/spiffs fight really didn't seem like scum vs scum. But I know panzer never took this game seriously anyway so they might have decided to bus each other for lolz. I don't fucking know at this point.

I know I'm town. My pm still says VT. EP is conftown. Amihan's claim seems to check out. The only real issue I have is her not wanting to hear at all from Spifflop. Ami, You tracked EP N1 thinking it was Panzer slot, and tracked Spiff N2. By N2 Zito was widely townread so it would make sense for him to do the kill meaning spiff wouldn't have gone anywhere. On that note, since you tracked Spiff n2, I'm assuming you had some sort of scumread on them. I don't remember you ever mentioning that anywhere. Why did you decide to track them in particular?

Had you not mixed EP and Zito slots up, would you still have been scumreading that slot D2?You wanted that slot lynched with fire, have you gone back and reread that slot, now knowing that you had them confused?

Mollie/Beeboy wanted a dead spifflop D1. Maybe there's something EP can review in mason thread from that perspective.
I'll probably come back to this tomorrow when I'm in a better state of mind, but right now I just can't.

Wait a minute. Your vote was on me all Day 2. Though I know you say you were softing a fake guilty to get reactions,at the end of Day 1 you were dead set I was scum. I can see why you would track PJ (EP) D1 because you had scumread that slot all game, but since you never said anything about Spiff being scum it makes no sense why you wouldn't have tracked me. I need to go back and look for Ami/Spiff associations. Something doesn't feel right.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:16 pm

And actually the night kills would make sense. Killing mollie or beeboy N1 would have looked really bad for spiff because they were both stuck on him all Day. Cheet would have figured them out, and though he wasn't scumreading them that day, he did make a comment about Spifflop flying under the radar. Zulfy got killed before he could even really finish catching up, and knowing that I'm apparently the only one who didn't pick up on their mason play, Zulfy kill makes a lot more sense now.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:53 pm

So they pretty much ignore each other all D1 except Spifflop asking Ami if she's new or an alt. Then there was Ami wanting to lynch me, Spifflop says no, asks Ami why she isn't considering Ari and then doesn't follow up on her answer. Lastly there was "ugh @ amihan" when she refused to participate end of D1.

D2 1161 Spiff calls Amihan scum, but says she doesn't even look scummy. (I'm actually mad I didn't see this before.) Spifflop then comments to Amihan that naked votes won't fly twice. Shortly after calls the vote whack, but then switches back to Ari. Amihan never addresses it. Amihan says something spiff somewhat asks is a soft (which I thought was kind of weird, I didn't even notice the soft until he pointed it out). End of day after hammer there's a random "I think Ami is the other one" comment (I'm assuming they meant Ari's partner before he flipped town). Never really clarified Amihan read, never tried to engage her to change that read.

D3. Spiff goes after Zito and I for other scum after Mason flip, says Amihan is still scum but needs to read some shit over. Ami claims and now we're here.

D1 they pretty much completely ignored each other. D2. There was a weak scumread on Amihan but absolutely no effort to sort her whatsoever.

Amihan has done what, tunneled 2 people this entire game?

Her tracking Spifflop D2 makes NO SENSE considering she's not once said anything about them being scum. Tracking isn't even an inno result, which she admitted, but she's willing to write off spifflop for not going anywhere that night? No. That doesn't sit right at all.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:54 pm

Zito, EP, I'd really like to hear your thoughts on what I've laid out, and I ask that nobody else vote right now. This tracking claim isn't making sense and I'd really like to sort that out.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:04 pm

In post 1538, Amihan wrote:I don't think I'm changing my mind.

I also don't think I want to take the time to go on an invisible duck chase.

So if each of you could make one post each as to why you're town and the others are scum, that would save us all a lot of time.

I'm pretty sure I'm not changing my mind but in what's probably a panicky situation for all of you I'll at least try to show some decency.

This post.. we're in LyLo. If she's town, why is she trying to rush this? It's like she's taking advantage of the fact that we believed her claim and lording that over us.

And, again, the fact that she doesn't even ask to hear from Spifflop is incredibly worrisome considering that she doesn't even have an inno on them. If she did track them, them not going anywhere just means they didn't make that kill.

p.edit. That's understandable, but can you look at the associatives?

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:15 pm

Amihan told Zito and I to make one post each as to why we're town. I honestly don't know how to answer that question. I can point out why I think other people aren't, which is what I've done. And truth be told I think asking that question in the situation we're in is terrible. Barely into the Day and she's rushing LyLo. That's not a town move.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:20 pm

In post 1540, Spifflop wrote:VOTE: UTL

I don't see a situation where shes town. Theres a small chance amihan is lying with zito town, but either way that makes UTL scum

You have called me "obvtown" and your strongest town read all game, yet you aren't even hesitant with this.

I bet you

still

haven't read my scumgames though you've been promising to since like what, Day 1? If you had, you would know that this doesn't even compare. I'd easily say this has been my best town game thus far.

But you know that already, which is why you don't need to actually look any deeper.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:29 pm

I'm not voting anybody yet. I laid out a lot tonight and it needs to be discussed. We're in LyLo and I intend to use as much time as we need to make sure we get this right.

You're right, Ami/Zito doesn't make sense at all. Which is why I'm saying it's Ami/you. Like you "mostly trust it" but you're not questioning it or doing anything to fully trust it.

But again, you know all this.

UpTooLate · Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:36 pm

In post 1555, Spifflop wrote:I actually do think amihan is your partner. But that doesn't matter today.

WTF.

HIPPO YOU JUST SAID YOU MOSTLY TRUST HER CLAIM.

You're right.

VOTE: Spifflop

UpTooLate · Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:46 pm

I'm not home. I'll answer your questions later. Everyone has made up their minds so it's pretty much pointless anyway. I'm town. Gg scum. You played a good game.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:57 am

Everybody has their mind made up. I'm not getting more upset with this game than I already am. Let's just get this over with. I don't have it in me anymore.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:00 pm

The last scum can pile on now.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:12 pm

Told you it was Amihan.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:13 pm

Scum would have just hammered and called it a game.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:17 pm

I know. Once I didn't just take Amihans claim at face value, it made a lot more sense than you being scum by poe.

But I'm alone in that sentiment.

P.edit. idk what you wanted me to do. Like this game is over, I really don't care at this point.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:18 pm

Like you're refusing to not believe Amihans claim. There's nothing else I can do.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:18 pm

Like have they even interacted much today? Spifflop and ami? I don't remember. I doubt it though.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:20 pm

Exactly. She was last. She had the advantage of seeing us all claim vt.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:21 pm

Scum played a good game though.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:23 pm

Like her claim conftowned her for me until I thought about her tracking spiff.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:26 pm

Hey Ep, if I was scum, who do you think the highest chance of being my partner would be right now?

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:27 pm

If Zito and I were scum buddies he could take the credit and cut off conversation at the same time, right? Spiff is the first one on my wagon, that would be a stupid bus in LyLo. Sooo that leaves Amihan right?

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:34 pm

Yup. It's stupid. She admits that her results don't actually clear anybody, then turns around and says it clears spifflop. then doesn't want to hear from him in fucking lylo, as she tries to rush it.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:35 pm

And game over.

WTG.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:35 pm

Aero please come post the flip now.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:36 pm

The game is over. I don't troll after hammers.

I was VT. A cheetory.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:37 pm

But at least this is one less loose end I need to tie up.

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:43 pm

Aero isn't online =(

UpTooLate · Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:58 pm

no you're not.

UpTooLate · Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:15 pm

Yeah Zulf, you don't really push or explain your points, so they just kind of get swept under the rug. And I've been in what, 2 games with you, where they haven't really done anything, and you stop doing them early game. But tbh, her claim and setup spec was probably enough to discredit them anyway.