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Post #66 (isolation #11) » Fri May 06, 2016 9:10 am
Postby lilith2013 »
I'm not really seeing the reasons behind scumreading you here (partly because ~ongoing things~ so I can't say more on the subject). Tonally I'm leaning towards town!you right now, I think.
Not sure about Kuroi at this point. I think he overreacted to what you intended as a joke, but not sure if that's AI.
In post 116, Javajoe24 wrote:I don't like all the flip floppiness you have been doing xk..... You have posted little to no reasoning to any of your votes, but continue to throw them out there seemingly at random
They seem random probably because they are random. Well, except for my latest one where I intentionally sheeped Kuroi to see what he said.
In post 117, Soren wrote:In post 115, Xkfyu wrote:
UNVOTE: Soren
VOTE: lane0168
Sheeping Kuroi.
You seem very unmotivated in this game, why?
What about kuroi do you agree with?
Not a thing. I don't think I've actually agreed with a single thing he's said so far.
And I'm very motivated to play. See?
UNVOTE: lane0168
VOTE: Soren
At least one of the two who have called me out so quickly for my play (Soren and Javajoe) are probably scum. I like Soren for scum the most. His 100, where he voted Clumsy reads as scum trying to be careful with an early scum read on town.
You said your sheeping Kuroi and switching to lane was in order to see what Kuroi said, but you never followed up on this and in fact you didn't even wait for him to say anything before you revealed that it was a reaction test rather than a legitimate scumread on lane.. and then you switched back to Soren.
Scum:
Javajoe (but not with Soren)
Soren (but not with Javajoe)
Those are in no particular order, and mostly based on gut, right now. So, come on, let's do this.
Can you talk to me about your reads on lane/Kuroi (what did you get out of that reaction test, or what were you hoping to get?), and then Joe and Soren? Why aren't they scum together?
In post 122, lane0168 wrote:Pffff you put snarky in your town reads. That's laughable
Why is that funny?
Because you can't possibly have a townread on snarky, and going through snarky's iso... All three posts, and all three relevant letters... Makes me laugh thinking about how someone put that as town
In post 142, Xkfyu wrote:Which reads do you disagree with the most?
Snarky, Kuroi, and Soren
I also disagree with your basic methodology of "predict what scum 'would' do and then scumhunt based on that." I think the chances of anyone being able to precisely predict what scum would do in any given game is slim to none.
In post 147, Xkfyu wrote:What was the point in keeping your scum read on Joe to yourself?
The benefit of watching him to see what he would do unpressured.
I understand why you disagree with the read on Snarky. Why Kuroi (is it still the scum theater thing?) and why Soren?
Scum:
Javajoe (but not with Soren)
Soren (but not with Javajoe)
Those are in no particular order, and mostly based on gut, right now. So, come on, let's do this.
VOTE: Xkfyu
Few things I want explained here. Why is Lillith town? Why is -Snowman- town? And lastly, do you also believe that the Lane/Kuroi is TvT? Why?
Lilith is a straight up gut read.
Snarky only made 3 posts when he came into the thread, but he didn't vote anyone, even though he was the only person without a vote in place. That doesn't sound like "scum trying to stay under the radar "to me.
And I think the Lane vs Kuroi thing is TvT because early D1 arguments like that usually are, since scum don't usually want to bring undue attention on themselves. Especially not so early.
I... disagree with the non-voting thing. I don't see how that's alignment indicative, and in fact I'd lean more towards scum based on something like that than town, because scum don't want to draw attention to themselves (that part is true) and the easiest way to draw attention is to join a wagon for BS reasons.
However, I like that Snarky called you out on your readslist.
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Post #232 (isolation #25) » Wed May 11, 2016 2:53 pm
Postby lilith2013 »
Very confused.
Lane asked what makes Snarky scum and you gave him the list of things and now you're saying that makes him town even though he was a scumlean in your readslist?
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Post #234 (isolation #26) » Wed May 11, 2016 3:02 pm
Postby lilith2013 »
So... are you scumreading him or townreading him???
It sounds like you think/know he is town and yet you were trying to push a scumread on him until lane called you out on it.
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Here where's I am.
lane
TTH
Xkfyu/Soren/Snarky
Kuroi/Javajoe/Clumsy
lane's frustration and reaction to kuroi at the beginning of the game scream town to me. I also really like his questions to Xk and Joe.
TTH also seems tonally town here, there's a marked difference between the last game I saw her in where she was scum and kind of closed herself off. I feel like she's working on interacting with people here. (However.. 1) she was in a hydra and there might have been extenuating circumstances for how she posted in our previous game, and 2) I can't decide whether I think her outing that "secret scumread" on Joe is more likely to come from scum or town. But townlean for now.)
Kuroi I was still a bit unsure about regarding the lane vs. kuroi fight but now his recent posts about Snarky being scum vs. town have me moving him slightly down.
Javajoe, for his weird lurking/not sharing reads thing going on, putting out a scumread on Xk but not voting, seems like he's not really interacting or engaging.
I also had Clumsy in my null pile but I'm moving him down too because I think his "pressure vote" on me was dumb and useless and just didn't move the gamestate anywhere.
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Post #249 (isolation #32) » Thu May 12, 2016 3:00 am
Postby lilith2013 »
Meh I see your point. I just.. don't like that it doesn't feel like he's actually trying to scumhunt. Did he really have no better options than to pressure vote me on page 8? It'd be different if he had said "I don't like this post by Lilith, this is a combined pressure + explain yourself vote" but he basically said he had no reason to vote me other than that I'd been inactive. Which is completely NAI, you saw the math game.
I asked whether Clumsy does that a lot as town and Kuroi said yes, though. But I don't really trust Kuroi here.
Care to weigh in on the Kuroi Snarky-scumread-townread issue above?
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Post #252 (isolation #33) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:04 am
Postby lilith2013 »
Argh I just don't have any strong enough reads to feel like my vote should be anywhere in particular. I think lane is town and I think TTH is probably town and beyond that it's really just different shades of null.
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Post #254 (isolation #34) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:30 am
Postby lilith2013 »
Can't decide. I don't think you're the kind of person who relies on gut reads, but as lane was saying, there's no reason for you to make up reads at this point, especially on people who haven't been posting a lot. I can't decide whether I think this is you buddying up to me once again (ugh) or just that you're able to read me now?? But we were only town together in one game.
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Post #257 (isolation #36) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:34 am
Postby lilith2013 »
More seriously though, we only have two completed games together and I was town in both of them so that makes me want to think you know how to read me properly.. BUT you said your read was mostly gut, not based on tone or whatever which is at least how I usually read people I've played with before. Do you want to elaborate on what you mean by "gut"?
Well, I think you did tell me that you were never gonna let me buddy up to you ever again, and I did believe you.
In post 257, lilith2013 wrote:More seriously though, we only have two completed games together and I was town in both of them so that makes me want to think you know how to read me properly.. BUT you said your read was mostly gut, not based on tone or whatever which is at least how I usually read people I've played with before. Do you want to elaborate on what you mean by "gut"?
I don't know. I like early gut reads just as much as the next person. What I mean by "gut" though, is when I read your posts, they don't feel any different to me than our previous two games, when you were town.
Of course, that approach assumes that they WOULD feel different, if you were scum, which I obviously can't say for sure.
In post 258, lilith2013 wrote:Gah why are you so hard to read.. I just feel all my paranoia bubbling up again
Now this is the kind of reaction I was expecting from you (if you're town), in respect to my town read on you.
In your defense though, it's probably my own fault that you have a hard time reading me. Like I said to Something_Smart in Math's Mafia, I make no real effort to "look townie." I just post what I think I need to post in order to solve the game. Sometimes people town read me for it, and sometimes people scum read me for it.
In post 306, KuroiXHF wrote:To clarify my last role, I didn't mean my role doesn't mean just because I'm a VT; I mean my role doesn't matter because if I told you I was a cop, it wouldn't change whether you'd see me as scum or not.
If you would have claimed Cop, I wouldn't have necessarily believed you outright, but I would have still unvoted, and let the night actions sort you.
Claiming VT here though, does lead me to believing you outright.
In post 306, KuroiXHF wrote:To clarify my last role, I didn't mean my role doesn't mean just because I'm a VT; I mean my role doesn't matter because if I told you I was a cop, it wouldn't change whether you'd see me as scum or not.
I got a serious issue with this post... Why would claiming cop even be an option if you're vanilla Townie? This just looks like you thought about claiming cop, but then thought maybe vanilla Townie would be most believable
This. It sounds like Kuroi saw lane's "my character is way underpowered" post in the beginning and decided to claim VT in order to match what he thought other people had for roles.
In post 325, Xkfyu wrote:TTH, I'm kinda starting to like Javajoe a little more. Convince me he's scum, please.
And why on earth are you asking for TTH to case joe?!?!?! Competing wagon much?
I am, however, surprised that my character does not have powers. He's probably one of the strongest DC characters in existence.
(Hint: My character isn't really Spiderman.)
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Post #361 (isolation #49) » Thu May 12, 2016 11:36 am
Postby lilith2013 »
Because lane confirmed that it existed? Until that point I assumed that when he said his character was underpowered he had a small relatively useless power so that he was functionally close to a VT, but still had a power. Because that was what my experience with uPick was like. Unless the two of you are scum together, which I doubt is the case, it's not like he'd be lying about you having a VT pm that matches his.
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Post #388 (isolation #51) » Fri May 13, 2016 3:44 am
Postby lilith2013 »
Sorry, I was just getting super worked up yesterday and thought I'd better take a break for a few hours. I think I was just getting stuck in confbias mode in regards to kuroi claiming VT, but as long as lane's town I think kuroi is probably cleared here (and yeah, lane is still my strongest townread).
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Post #391 (isolation #53) » Fri May 13, 2016 3:56 am
Postby lilith2013 »
Well.. What you said makes sense; given the meta for role madness, it'd be close to suicide for scum to claim VT. I can't shake off the feeling that kuroi claimed VT deliberately but again.. I can't tell if I'm just confbiasing myself at this point.
In post 391, lilith2013 wrote:Well.. What you said makes sense; given the meta for role madness, it'd be close to suicide for scum to claim VT. I can't shake off the feeling that kuroi claimed VT deliberately but again.. I can't tell if I'm just confbiasing myself at this point.
Well, given the way Kuroi said "Vanilla Superhero," and the fact that Lane confirmed it, I think it's pretty safe to say he's telling the truth.
But
.. There's a small part of me that argues that it's generally the norm for mods to provide scum with VT role PMs or fake claims.
@Kuroi: I meant "deliberately" as in "with the express purpose of throwing people off because they would expect scum to claim a power."
Well, I didn't read too much of it, but that just looked like a bad fake claim to me. If the mod had given scum fake flavor claims, surely they would have been safe. Otherwise, it defeats the purpose.
I don't think that situation is very similar at all to this one, but maybe I missed something?
Ugh idk am I just being dumb and irrational right now?
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Post #465 (isolation #59) » Tue May 17, 2016 1:47 am
Postby lilith2013 »
In post 252, lilith2013 wrote:Argh I just don't have any strong enough reads to feel like my vote should be anywhere in particular. I think lane is town and I think TTH is probably town and beyond that it's really just different shades of null.
I'm right back here with the addition of kuroi being prob-town.