Micro 609: DC Dual Universes uPick - Game over!

[Javajoe24]

First post!
VOTE: Telltalehearr

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: snarkysnowman

My character is way too underpowered and way too small in that picture. Very upset

Everyone knows size doesn't matter, lol

[Javajoe24]

Because you are a supervillan?

[Javajoe24]

Why? Because of his soft claim?

[Javajoe24]

I feel that. I'm extremely excited about my character. Just check the web. (I'm Spiderman)

Ah...... I see what you did there! Lol

[Javajoe24]

If you have changed your mind about lane being scummy then who would be your next scummiest player?

[Javajoe24]

VI? Do you mean VT?

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Then what does VI mean?

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I don't like all the flip floppiness you have been doing xk..... You have posted little to no reasoning to any of your votes, but continue to throw them out there seemingly at random

[Javajoe24]

I could care less about your strikes lane. If you think in scummy then do like TTH did and vote me. Right now my scummiest read is XK for reasons listed in my last post.

[Javajoe24]

Haha, touche. But I'm not giving him strikes...

[Javajoe24]

Sorry guys, somewhat forgot about this game. Will catch up later tonight.

[Javajoe24]

Yeah, you are confusing lack of posts/effort for scumminess, which is not necessarily true. I think Lilith is town, and right now I am going to

VOTE: xk

I don't like his posts thus far. Lane came across scummy to me, but not enough to vote him. My play style I am generally more cautious with my votes and don't throw them around. Only exception being RVS.

[Javajoe24]

I would like anyone who hasn't already to comment on Kuroi's lynch.

I don't like this wagon. It formed way to quickly for my liking, and my biggest scum read jumped on it as well. I am fine with my current vote.

[Javajoe24]

As a side note, I have never played a mafia game like this before, so I am confused on a few points.

1. If you are town on both worlds and town wins one world and loses the other, is this game a win or a loss?
2. Is earth 2 going to be on a separate thread, because having both earths on one thread is going to be extremely difficult to do any research from previous posts in late game.

[Javajoe24]

I have to agree with Lilith, every upick I have seen everyone has had some kind of power. That being said, I do believe you both on your VT claims. Sticking with my current vote.

[Javajoe24]

Yeah, I would really like some answers to 288.

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I have to agree with Lilith, every upick I have seen everyone has had some kind of power. That being said, I do believe you both on your VT claims. Sticking with my current vote.

Still staying with that vote on me, huh?

Anything I can do to change your mind?

No, nothing you can do. I had to put in more effort in reading your entire ISO, and after doing that I have to say that I think I was wrong and you are town. Going to be reading everyone else's ISO today and see if I can't find some scum.

UNVOTE: xk

[Javajoe24]

{Kuroi, lane}
{Xk,Lilith, clumsy}
{TTH}
{Snarky}
{Soren}

VOTE: soren

Thoughts after doing a re-read on everyone's ISO.

[Javajoe24]

Javajoe. How did xk go from top scum read to probably town?

I went through and re read everyone's ISO. This is something I actually haven't done this game yet. After reading his ISO, it seemed like the general tone of his posts were more from a town player and seemed to be truly scum hunting instead of just trying to look like he is scum hunting. Soren was the exact opposite and seemed to be just a lot of fluff. His posts mainly are asking other players of their thoughts and reads rather than giving any reads of his own.

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Also, the fact that as soon as I posted that soren was the first to reply gives me the impression that he is actively lurking.

[Javajoe24]

Can't we confirm lane and kurio simply by asking if anyone else is a VT in this game. I find it unlikely that there is only 2 if there are any at all.

[Javajoe24]

Because of balancing issues. And replenishing for VT? I am only asking for one other to confirm my theory.

[Javajoe24]

Ebwop rolefishing not replenishing

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Idk, but I have never seen a game that has VT as a minority in town. It's either non existent or a majority. If you know of an example please link me and I will change my opinion.

[Javajoe24]

If I am your strongest scum read manga, why are you still voting clumsy? I did the same thing earlier and people said I was scummy for it.

[Javajoe24]

Sorry guys, I literally just got back as I am being prodded, lol. Catching up now

[Javajoe24]

So it seems I am getting lynched today by general consensus, so I will go ahead and claim that I am a town Neighbor. I won't out my partner right now until they tell me in the neighborhood if they are ok with it. Now you know and can deliberate.

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What do you mean? We started as neighbors in a neighborhood?? And no one likes anything I do so I don't care anymore.

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Hey, I am not trying to confirm my alignment with my role, as I have seen games with a scum neighbor, but felt like claiming because everyone seems content with my lynch.

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Just don't lynch me before I reveal who my partner is. I feel it is in the towns best interest to have that information. Just want to confirm before I jump the gun

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It's Lilith, she didn't post anything in the neighborhood so gonna just out her. I still have a town read on her from conversations in the neighborhood.

[Javajoe24]

You guys are making a mistake lynching me, but I can't blame you, would do the same thing if roles were reversed. See you on earth 2

[Javajoe24]

After I am gone, please consider moi for the reasons I have pointed out

[Javajoe24]

Oops, disregard my last post, confused this game with another I am playing with moi

[Javajoe24]

Is moi the replacement for Soren? And the part about the reasons given was meant for the other game where I have strong reasons, my reasons here aren't as strong so don't necessarily trust them as much

[Javajoe24]

I guess I should flavor claim as well. I am green arrow.

[Javajoe24]

sadly, yes. I have a disconnect with mafia in general lately...

[Javajoe24]

See you on earth 2!

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: moi for hammering me!

[Javajoe24]

Are you saying you are third party clumsy?

[Javajoe24]

Wait, I'm confused. Someone was killed n1 and it affected this earth? I thought the scum from earth 1 were killing during n1. If so then that doesn't seem balanced...

[Javajoe24]

Why is that Lilith?

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Being alive after being lynched seems weird to me, since I can technically still contribute to earth 1 by discussing it here...

[Javajoe24]

My alignment is the same on both worlds, but my role is different. Hint hint, I'm not a neighbor! And as for my thoughts on the final wagon, I will have to get back to you on that as I need to look into it more.

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: snarky snowman

[Javajoe24]

Why are we analyzing earth 1 now? We are on earth 2 and earth 1 has no bearing on earth two at all unless someone flips on one and you are comparing play style. Right now that would only pertain to me and xy. Alignment is completely random on both worlds.

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After your post 984 how is Lilith still a null to you?

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Sorry guys, but how do you put a link to a post in? Like if I wanted to link post 984 I have no clue how to do it without quoting it.

[Javajoe24]

Intent to hammer

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Interesting....

[Javajoe24]

I would consider it a negative utility if town honestly

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: snarky

[Javajoe24]

To be honest, I didn't even realize the deadline was that day. I still thought we had more time

[Javajoe24]

Joe, why do you think scum killed Kuroi? He was almost mislynched. He would have been easy to push today. I probably still would have been there. Why not kill someone that was strong for town? Like Ranger. Or Magna. For the PR? But they would have to be worried about him targeting them, otherwise they could leave it to be used wrongly and possibly get 2 mislynches.

For today though, I think I'd rather hang Snarky. If I'm wrong, it'll cause the least damage to town.

VOTE: Snarky

To create confusion, and also they likely didn't want to deal with a town gladiator, although I am not sure why that would be honestly, as to me a town gladiator can be more harmful than helpful to the town.

[Javajoe24]

I really don't see two town gladiators in one game, although I could see a town gladiator and a scum gladiator to balance each other out.

[Javajoe24]

Can we get past the gladiator wifom please

You would really like us to not take into consideration your role wouldn't you

[Javajoe24]

~~@_@~~

I've been typing out a post to Clumsy about how his theory is based on a bogus assumption.
I was trying to come up with a cute breadcrumb to Ranger's mention of a vig.
But I feel like any attempt for me to slow dance this would probably lead to more confusion than clarity.
So I'll just come out and say it.

I vigged Kuroi last night. Sorry.

Why are you just now coming out with this???!!!

[Javajoe24]

I agree that I think our best course of action would be to find out who protected or stopped the night kill. People that can should claim their targets. I am a VT and had no Night action. Mass claim?

[Javajoe24]

Obviously, because it will out you as scum

[Javajoe24]

I know that snarky, I am saying it will out you if someone targeted you as role blocker or jail keeper

[Javajoe24]

I'm still in support of a mass claim, I think it gives us the best option of finding scum today.

[Javajoe24]

In that case, I have a sneaking suspicion on something....

intent to hammer ranger

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I think it would be best for town not to give that information as if I am right scum can kill a PR. All I can say is I think I figured out who is our PR that saved someone last night by a roleblock or doc.

[Javajoe24]

In that case, I have a sneaking suspicion on something....

intent to hammer ranger

Did you miss this ranger??

[Javajoe24]

In that case, I have a sneaking suspicion on something....

intent to hammer ranger

Ranger is at L-2. Clumsy unvoted. So you can't exactly hammer him.

Never mind, I missed this. In that case

VOTE: ranger

[Javajoe24]

UNVOTE:

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Did you miss this ranger?

Did you miss me already having claimed, Javajoe?

Intent implies there's something you're waiting for.

The only thing there would be to wait on from me is my theory.
Which, quite explicitly, I say should wait until after massclaim.
Because I've already given everything else relevant.
MagnaofIllusion is town this earth.
I firmly believe you are also town.
TellTaleHeart is confirmed town.
Ergo, {SnarkySnowman, Clumsy, lilith} has the two scum.
And my vote's on {Clumsy, lilith}.

Why not SS? He is a confirmed gladiator which another town gladiator has been lynched? You think there are two town gladiators?

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Java, why the unvote?

Was a pressure vote, and missed that she already claimed. And I didn't want a quick hammer.

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VOTE: snarky

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and she doesn't even seem to be trying to persuade people to join my wagon like I think she would if she were genuinely scumreading me.

Alternative theory: Ranger has been struggling with exhaustion for the last week or so with no idea why.
Well, until someone today gave me a tip that it might be zinc deficiency (it fits the symptoms and looking at foods with zinc in them I have literally

none

in my diet), but prior to now.

Why not SS? He is a confirmed gladiator which another town gladiator has been lynched? You think there are two town gladiators?

We know there are two gladiators already. This is, itself, an abnormality. Nobody puts duplicate roles in games. Not duplicate scum roles, not duplicate town roles, not one scum and one town role. They will put in

similar

roles. They will give, say, the mafia a roleblocker and the town a jailkeeper, or vice-versa. But they avoid exact duplicates.

And yet, here we are. We absolutely, 100%,

know

, beyond all shadow of a doubt, SnarkySnowman is a gladiator, and Kuroi was a gladiator. So no matter what, the mod has broken this principle. The mod has broken that rule. Gladiators are a role build to 1v1 a player. And with them both BEING gladiators, that means they, via counterclaim, are 1v1ing each other, just like yesterday, and had kuroi not been shot, he would have gladiated SnarkySnowman today. So...why would he design a scum role that is effectively committing suicide? Let's say SnarkySnowman used his power on a player

other than

Kuroi. Kuroi then claims gladiator. SnarkySnowman gets lynched. This is a real possibility. Why would he design the roles so that one scum should be dead no matter what by the end of D3?

I don't think he would. So yes. I think SnarkySnowman is town.

...Also, Clumsy's play has been sketchy as of recently, and lilith's my strongest scumread.

It also seems like Ranger is holding her theory for ransom for the Mass claim.

Explicitly so, yes.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one not being an absolute moron here and has actually figured out what SirCakez designed.
I meant what I said. If we massclaim on THIS earth, just THIS earth, I can break the game for

both

earths. Not just this one.

I've already pointed out how she constructed this careful analysis of when and if certain power-roles should claim or not claim based on the situation and then turned around 180 to hop on a a mass-claim train when Java claimed VT and advocated it.

The important factor you're missing here is that

Java claimed VT

.
I wouldn't be advocating a massclaim if he had claimed a role.
He claimed Vanilla Townie. I have VERY GOOD REASON, after he made that claim, to be saying what I am saying. I mean it. Javajoe claimed the one and ONLY thing that would make me do a hard-180.

I am for a mass claim, but why not propose your theory anyways since it appears a mass claim is out of the question?

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It may take a few more games and a few more flips to get to that.

What and/or who is this referring to?

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Oh, I see. I didn't know what you were trying to say there but now I understand

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Clumsy, you believe they killed Kuroi and TTH fakeclaimed vig as a gambit?

That is definitely a possibility actually. Especially with only one NK

[Javajoe24]

On earth two I am the same character as earth 1, Green Arrow. I am a vanilla superhero

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I pick you clumsy

[Javajoe24]

Have we had another Vanilla Townie flip other than me and Clumsy? If so, I am voting for Clumsy, If not I am voting for Snarky.