Micro 609: DC Dual Universes uPick - Game over!

[Xkfyu]

Time to make a clumsy vote...

VOTE: Clumsy

(See what I did there?)

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: Xkfyu

Bad scum! (Badder puns.)

One of those statements MIGHT be true.

[Xkfyu]

Two soft flavor claims already?

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: Xkfyu

Bad scum! (Badder puns.)

One of those statements MIGHT be true.

The first one, right?

Can't be. You know that first hand.

(One day, I might actually stop reminding you about that game)

[Xkfyu]

Hehe

[Xkfyu]

Two soft flavor claims already?

~puts out cigarette~
Yeah. What's the fun in being your favorite character if you can't roleplay a little bit?

Is there a reason you felt the need to comment on it?

Yes

[Xkfyu]

Which was?

Because I was surprised.

[Xkfyu]

Is there anything wrong with flavor claiming? It's not supposed to be alignment indicative in a uPick.

Good point. This is my first uPick game though, so the quick claims came as a surprise.

[Xkfyu]

I'm gonna start going V/LA on the weekends. I just have too much going on. Mother's Day is only making it more difficult. I"ll see you guys bright and early tomorrow morning.

[Xkfyu]

Alright, I'm here now. Who we lynching?

[Xkfyu]

Ok fine. Let's do this then

UNVOTE: Clumsy

VOTE: Soren

[Xkfyu]

Why?

Because I think you're scum.

[Xkfyu]

In post 107, Xkfyu wrote:
Alright, I'm here now. Who we lynching?

I really don't like this for the same reason I don't like Lane's first post. It's full of dependency and lack of intuition.

Well, at least you're consistent.

[Xkfyu]

UNVOTE: Soren

VOTE: lane0168

Sheeping Kuroi.

[Xkfyu]

I don't like all the flip floppiness you have been doing xk..... You have posted little to no reasoning to any of your votes, but continue to throw them out there seemingly at random

They seem random probably because they are random. Well, except for my latest one where I intentionally sheeped Kuroi to see what he said.

[Xkfyu]

In post 115, Xkfyu wrote:
UNVOTE: Soren

VOTE: lane0168

Sheeping Kuroi.
You seem very unmotivated in this game, why?
What about kuroi do you agree with?

Not a thing. I don't think I've actually agreed with a single thing he's said so far.

And I'm very motivated to play. See?

UNVOTE: lane0168

VOTE: Soren

At least one of the two who have called me out so quickly for my play (Soren and Javajoe) are probably scum. I like Soren for scum the most. His 100, where he voted Clumsy reads as scum trying to be careful with an early scum read on town.

[Xkfyu]

Kuroi, sheep me. I'm pretty sure that Lane is town.

[Xkfyu]

Reads list:

Town:
Lilith
Snarky
lane
Kuroi

Null:
Clumsy
TTH

Scum:
Javajoe (but not with Soren)
Soren (but not with Javajoe)


Those are in no particular order, and mostly based on gut, right now. So, come on, let's do this.

[Xkfyu]

Pffff you put snarky in your town reads. That's laughable

Why is that funny?

[Xkfyu]

Pffff you put snarky in your town reads. That's laughable

Why is that funny?

Your reads list

is

pretty awful.

Which reads do you disagree with the most?

[Xkfyu]

Pffff you put snarky in your town reads. That's laughable

Why is that funny?

Because you can't possibly have a townread on snarky, and going through snarky's iso... All three posts, and all three relevant letters... Makes me laugh thinking about how someone put that as town

Sure I can. I just proved that by doing so.

[Xkfyu]

Fuck it, I'll out the secret scumread.

VOTE: Javajoe

Says the guy who stated that my reads list was "pretty awful."

[Xkfyu]

In post 121, Xkfyu wrote:
Reads list:

Town:
Lilith
Snarky
lane
Kuroi

Null:
Clumsy
TTH

Scum:
Javajoe (but not with Soren)
Soren (but not with Javajoe)


Those are in no particular order, and mostly based on gut, right now. So, come on, let's do this.


VOTE: Xkfyu
Few things I want explained here. Why is Lillith town? Why is -Snowman- town? And lastly, do you also believe that the Lane/Kuroi is TvT? Why?

Lilith is a straight up gut read.

Snarky only made 3 posts when he came into the thread, but he didn't vote anyone, even though he was the only person without a vote in place. That doesn't sound like "scum trying to stay under the radar "to me.

And I think the Lane vs Kuroi thing is TvT because early D1 arguments like that usually are, since scum don't usually want to bring undue attention on themselves. Especially not so early.

[Xkfyu]

You said your sheeping Kuroi and switching to lane was in order to see what Kuroi said, but you never followed up on this and in fact you didn't even wait for him to say anything before you revealed that it was a reaction test rather than a legitimate scumread on lane.. and then you switched back to Soren.

When I sheeped Kuroi, he had just been in the thread. So, I figured he would reply fairly quickly to my post. He didn't, however, and since I wanted a live interaction with Kuroi, my window of opportunity had passed. Plus, I wasn't scum reading Lane at all anywyas.

Can you talk to me about your reads on lane/Kuroi (what did you get out of that reaction test, or what were you hoping to get?), and then Joe and Soren? Why aren't they scum together?

My explanation on Lane vs Kuroi is in 145.

I didn't get anything out of the reaction test because Kuroi left the thread, but I wanted to see if Kuroi felt the same way about people sheeping other people as he did about people sheeping him.

Joe and Soren probably aren't scum together because of 116 and 117. I highly doubt that the entire scum team double teamed me back-to-back like that.

In post 127, lane0168 wrote:
In post 123, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 122, lane0168 wrote:
Pffff you put snarky in your town reads. That's laughable

Why is that funny?


Because you can't possibly have a townread on snarky, and going through snarky's iso... All three posts, and all three relevant letters... Makes me laugh thinking about how someone put that as town

Yeah, this.

Also explained in 145.

[Xkfyu]

Fuck it, I'll out the secret scumread.

VOTE: Javajoe

Could you explain this?

Fuck it, I'll out the secret scumread.

VOTE: Javajoe

Why?

There's really no grand case. It's a ~gut feel~ off of Post 82, which rubbed me the wrong way because I think it's a question that has little value but was thrown out there for the sake of appearing to "scumhunt." I will also say that the swing at xkfyu in Post 116 doesn't give me the warm fuzzies either. (This was after the initial read formed.)

I wish this game was moving quickly enough where I didn't need to out it quite yet, but it is what it is.

What was the point in keeping your scum read on Joe to yourself?

[Xkfyu]

I also disagree with your basic methodology of "predict what scum 'would' do and then scumhunt based on that." I think the chances of anyone being able to precisely predict what scum would do in any given game is slim to none.

Isn't that precisely what we are attempting to do every game, though?

[Xkfyu]

No

I completely disagree.

[Xkfyu]

In post 121, Xkfyu wrote:
Reads list:

Town:
Lilith
Snarky
lane
Kuroi

Null:
Clumsy
TTH

Scum:
Javajoe (but not with Soren)
Soren (but not with Javajoe)


Those are in no particular order, and mostly based on gut, right now. So, come on, let's do this.


VOTE: Xkfyu
Few things I want explained here. Why is Lillith town? Why is -Snowman- town? And lastly, do you also believe that the Lane/Kuroi is TvT? Why?

Lilith is a straight up gut read.

Snarky only made 3 posts when he came into the thread, but he didn't vote anyone, even though he was the only person without a vote in place. That doesn't sound like "scum trying to stay under the radar "to me.

And I think the Lane vs Kuroi thing is TvT because early D1 arguments like that usually are, since scum don't usually want to bring undue attention on themselves. Especially not so early.

I... disagree with the non-voting thing. I don't see how that's alignment indicative, and in fact I'd lean more towards scum based on something like that than town, because scum don't want to draw attention to themselves (that part is true) and the easiest way to draw attention is to join a wagon for BS reasons.

However, I like that Snarky called you out on your readslist.

Snarky calling me out on my reads list is certainly another point in his favor, but I stand by the not-voting thing. He missed RVS, so he could have put a vote on anyone without any suspicion whatsoever when he posted. If he wasn't the only one who hadn't voted at the time, it would be different. But continuing to be the only person to not vote for someone is effectively singling himself out.

Anyways, I think you (and others) may be misinterpreting the strength of my reads. It's still really early, and I wouldn't classify any of them as any stronger than leans. I figured that that would go without saying, though, given how early in the day it was.

[Xkfyu]

I could care less about your strikes lane. If you think in scummy then do like TTH did and vote me. Right now my scummiest read is XK for reasons listed in my last post.

Haha, touche. But I'm not giving him strikes...

First you say that I'm your biggest scum read, but then (2 posts later), you make an excuse not to vote me, keeping your RVS vote where it is. So are you actually scum reading me or not?

UNVOTE: Soren

VOTE: Javajoe24

[Xkfyu]

Lilith, what are your reads looking like right now?

[Xkfyu]

In post 29, lane0168 wrote:
In post 26, KuroiXHF wrote:
More because of his interest in sheeping.

If you're here to be a mindless zombie, this isn't the game for you. Plus, it's anti-town. I mean, this is day one and I'm sure it will change, but I already don't like his posting.


I'll be a mindless zombie if I want and I don't appreciate you discriminating. You bigot. Everyone has a right to play the game how they want to. You're not the boss here. You need more love and acceptance in your heart.

In post 33, lane0168 wrote:
Omgus? You just claimed a character from the marvel universe. Considering this is a DC UNIVERSE GAME. I'm going to call you a total liar

In post 35, lane0168 wrote:
Overreacting to sometime lying about their role? And getting pussy? Now you're just flinging shit and trying to make it stick. Good for you if it does


This all felt over the top for this early in day 1. Originally I felt like this was TvS, but the suggestion of Scum Theater is looking applicable too. Lane, Kuroi, do you guys have a history of getting under the other's skin? Where did this come from so suddenly? I can understand a little frustration, but this seems over the top for me.

If you had to choose one of them to be scum, which one would it be?

[Xkfyu]

I also disagree with your basic methodology of "predict what scum 'would' do and then scumhunt based on that." I think the chances of anyone being able to precisely predict what scum would do in any given game is slim to none.

If you really believe that, then why didn't you call Soren out for doing almost the exact same thing here:

KuroiXHF seems to be employing some kind of strategy to get a reaction out of lane and pushing him. Kuroi, have you done enough pushing and are you confident with your scum read on lane?

I don't really like what Clumsy has been posting. He's been posting mostly commentary to things and hasn't formed a solid independent thought where he has followed up on it. I see this to be coming from scum because there is a tendency for scum to find it hard to find a footing into a game.

I think that Clumsy's play is a possible instance of this and so I scum read him for that.

VOTE: Clumsy

[Xkfyu]

Honestly, I'm not looking to talk about theory with you and I'll go ahead and warn you that I'm probably not going to answer questions of that nature.

Ok why's that?

[Xkfyu]

Because I think you have flawed methods and I really don't see this discussion going anywhere that doesn't end up with you being butthurt and me feeling like I'm wasting my time.

Well, that's very considerate of you to not want to make me feel butthurt.

[Xkfyu]

I'm content with my xkfyu vote and think his explanation of why I was a townread is bogus.

Yeah, I'm basically used to this by now.

[Xkfyu]

Because I think you have flawed methods and I really don't see this discussion going anywhere that doesn't end up with you being butthurt and me feeling like I'm wasting my time.

Well, that's very considerate of you to not want to make me feel butthurt.

You haven't really caught me in an expository mood. Right now, I'm a lot more likely to come off as an off-putting bitch if I haven't already (and I probably have).

I might try my hand at it tonight?

You do realize that I was being sarcastic, right? It isn't really possible for me to get offended, or butthurt, in a Mafia game...no matter how off-putting you may be lol.

[Xkfyu]

In post 119, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 117, Soren wrote:
In post 115, Xkfyu wrote:
UNVOTE: Soren
VOTE: lane0168
Sheeping Kuroi.
You seem very unmotivated in this game, why?
What about kuroi do you agree with?

Not a thing. I don't think I've actually agreed with a single thing he's said so far.
So why did you sheep him then?

Post 146

In post 119, Xkfyu wrote:
At least one of the two who have called me out so quickly for my play (Soren and Javajoe) are probably scum.
How is calling out on your play indicative of me being scum?

Because it's a very easy, and safe, thing for scum to call someone out for.

I don't think you're both scum, though. Just one of you.

In post 160, TellTaleHeart wrote:
He didn't do the exact same thing or even close to the same thing.
Actually I would say that I did do the same thing. I considered how scum would play in a theoretical standpoint, witnessed such play in the game and scum read him for it.
How would you describe what I did?

This self-deprecation is actually making me lean more town on you, though.

[Xkfyu]

OK fine then. I think your approach sucks too.

Lilith you want to be next? Forget it.

Everyone

get in a single file line so I can tell you I think you're awful.

Lol can I get another turn, or do I have to get in the back of the line?

[Xkfyu]

Snarky, if I'm scum and you're town, why would I even bother stating a town read on you when I could easily just say that you're a null read since you haven't posted anything significant yet?

[Xkfyu]

Lol you may have just jumped to the front of the line with that post.

I liked it a lot, though.

[Xkfyu]

B. What do you think scum would do here?

Cast a vote on someone.

Thirdly: Meh, I don't think I buy into it completely. As soon as something becomes an obv town tell, scum will start to do it to be obv town. Such black and white views can be dangerous. But if that's your thought process, that's your thought process.

You say that as if I have cleared them as town in my mind, and that's not what has happened. If I see something from either of them down the road that makes me think they are scum, then I'm certainly not going to let this early town read get in the way of it. For now though, I see no reason why they aren't town for it.

[Xkfyu]

Lilith is a straight up gut read.

Snarky only made 3 posts when he came into the thread, but he didn't vote anyone, even though he was the only person without a vote in place. That doesn't sound like "scum trying to stay under the radar "to me.

And I think the Lane vs Kuroi thing is TvT because early D1 arguments like that usually are, since scum don't usually want to bring undue attention on themselves. Especially not so early.

1. Fair, I suppose.
B. What do you think scum would do here?
Thirdly: Meh, I don't think I buy into it completely. As soon as something becomes an obv town tell, scum will start to do it to be obv town. Such black and white views can be dangerous.

But if that's your thought process, that's your thought process.

The bold part sounds like you think my thought process is genuine. But, why would you say something like this to someone you were legitimately scum reading?

[Xkfyu]

You completely caught up now?

[Xkfyu]

Did you miss the part where I explained why I sheeped you?

[Xkfyu]

Kuroi, your name wouldn't happen to be Jimmy by any chance would it?

[Xkfyu]

In post 199, Xkfyu wrote:
Kuroi, your name wouldn't happen to be Jimmy by any chance would it?

uhhhhh.......

That was a joke...unless your name really is Jimmy. In which case, I'm gonna have to lynch you out of hand.

Completely irrelevant to this game, but Jimmy is a Mafia player on another site that I play on. He posts eerily similar posts to what you did, but only when he's scum.

[Xkfyu]

Sorry. Busy with exams, I'll post my readslist later.

You gotta stop having exams during our games. It makes me think you're lurking.

[Xkfyu]

In post 195, Xkfyu wrote:
Did you miss the part where I explained why I sheeped you?

Yeah. I did see that, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm giving it some time to seep in. I've been the most talked about person this game thus far and there's a lot for me to process. Some of these posts are hard for me to judge my feelings about it.

How's the "seeping in" going? You figured out how you feel about my posts yet?

In post 196, lane0168 wrote:
You're fucking blind kuroi. How do you put snarky in your scum lean pile, but call my vote on him terrible when he popped in to saying something pointless and "tvt"?

You can vote for scum and have a terrible reason for voting him. However, you don't even know why I scum read him. Don't presume to know where I'm coming from.

So why are you scum reading Snarky?

[Xkfyu]

Most of your posts are questions without much telling about you either. You get into it more later with posts, but that was very recent. I think your reasons for scumreading me are silly. Where are your thoughts on the rest of the game? Anything about Kuroi or Lane? There's been no followup there after your questions, and you seem fixated on me (and to a lesser extent, Xkfyu). Why are you shying away from the elephants?

I think kuroi is town because of the way he is playing I don't see coming from scum, lane I'm still unsure about.
The elephants as in?

What is it about Kuroi's play that you don't see coming from scum?

[Xkfyu]

Doubt it... Considering the state of this game, snarky's posts and what I read elsewhere, I call bull shit. He doesn't have a valid reason for the scumread. I encourage others to do a little checking themselves

I did do a little reading, and now I kinda want to scum read Snarky, as well, but I don't want Kuroi to get mad at me for sheeping.

[Xkfyu]

It's not sheeping if you've done your own research and have come to your own conclusion. Sheeping is if you said, "Kuroi said he's going to vote Snarky. Well I like the cut of this Kuroi-guy's jib, so I'll follow him." It's not sheeping if you've said, "Well Kuroi is voting Snarky, so I'm going to do some research. *Researches* I agree with Kuroi. Let's vote him."

Lol thanks for the explanation.

[Xkfyu]

Sorry. Busy with exams, I'll post my readslist later.

You gotta stop having exams during our games. It makes me think you're lurking.

I have a break for a few days before they start up again so I'll do posty things when I get home.

Can you explain more on how your read on Snarky changed?

To be honest, I don't really like using meta. I think it's an unreliable scum hunting tool, especially for those who are aware of their meta.

That being said, I did read what I think Kuroi was talking about, and it's more of a tonal thing for me than anything to do with activity levels, as Kuroi suggests.

[Xkfyu]

I also had Clumsy in my null pile but I'm moving him down too because I think his "pressure vote" on me was dumb and useless and just didn't move the gamestate anywhere.

Dumb and useless? Yeah, I'll give you that. But does dumb and useless imply scum?

[Xkfyu]

Yeah, you are confusing lack of posts/effort for scumminess, which is not necessarily true. I think Lilith is town, and right now I am going to

VOTE: xk

I don't like his posts thus far. Lane came across scummy to me, but not enough to vote him. My play style I am generally more cautious with my votes and don't throw them around. Only exception being RVS.

Which posts didn't you like, and why?

[Xkfyu]

Meh I see your point. I just.. don't like that it doesn't feel like he's actually trying to scumhunt. Did he really have no better options than to pressure vote me on page 8? It'd be different if he had said "I don't like this post by Lilith, this is a combined pressure + explain yourself vote" but he basically said he had no reason to vote me other than that I'd been inactive. Which is completely NAI, you saw the math game.

I see your point too, and I agree that it's NAI for you. I just know that not every vote will move the game forward.

Honestly though, he did bring up a decent enough point. Your RVS vote is still on me, even though you have me listed reasonably high up in your read list.

Care to weigh in on the Kuroi Snarky-scumread-townread issue above?

It doesn't really make sense to me. In fact, I was assuming that he really meant "scum" instead of that first "town" in 220.

Kuroi town reading Snarky here (because he is scum reading him) sounds a lot like the "too scummy to be scum" argument, which I have always thought is a ridiculous argument.

[Xkfyu]

Argh I just don't have any strong enough reads to feel like my vote should be anywhere in particular. I think lane is town and I think TTH is probably town and beyond that it's really just different shades of null.

How do you feel about my town read on you?

[Xkfyu]

Can't decide. I don't think you're the kind of person who relies on gut reads, but as lane was saying, there's no reason for you to make up reads at this point, especially on people who haven't been posting a lot. I can't decide whether I think this is you buddying up to me once again (ugh) or just that you're able to read me now?? But we were only town together in one game.

We aren't town together IN THIS GAME?!?!

[Xkfyu]

Well I can't tell if you're town here!!

Lol ok. Fair enough.

Well, I think you did tell me that you were never gonna let me buddy up to you ever again, and I did believe you.

More seriously though, we only have two completed games together and I was town in both of them so that makes me want to think you know how to read me properly.. BUT you said your read was mostly gut, not based on tone or whatever which is at least how I usually read people I've played with before. Do you want to elaborate on what you mean by "gut"?

I don't know. I like early gut reads just as much as the next person. What I mean by "gut" though, is when I read your posts, they don't feel any different to me than our previous two games, when you were town.

Of course, that approach assumes that they WOULD feel different, if you were scum, which I obviously can't say for sure.

Gah why are you so hard to read.. I just feel all my paranoia bubbling up again

Now this is the kind of reaction I was expecting from you (if you're town), in respect to my town read on you.

In your defense though, it's probably my own fault that you have a hard time reading me. Like I said to Something_Smart in Math's Mafia, I make no real effort to "look townie." I just post what I think I need to post in order to solve the game. Sometimes people town read me for it, and sometimes people scum read me for it.

[Xkfyu]

UNVOTE: Javajoe24

VOTE: KuroiXHF

[Xkfyu]

Xk, why the move from joe to kuroi?

Trying to mix things up.

[Xkfyu]

See you on earth 2 kuroi

Um...what?

[Xkfyu]

Xk, why the move from joe to kuroi?

Trying to mix things up.

Are you scumreading him?

Enough so that I'm fine with his lynch.

I think the way he came off of his scum read on me was too easy, and it didn't really feel natural to me. It was also very convenient in that it happened right after I stated interest in scum reading Snarky.

Speaking of which, his read on Snarky seemed illogical.

[Xkfyu]

Oh lol.... We only switch after a mislynch. I get your reaction now

Yep, that would be the reason. You aren't playing dumb to cover up a slip now, are you?

[Xkfyu]

I have strong townreads on lane and Lilith. I have a meh townread on Xkfyu and Clumsy.

I don't on Snarky, Soren, and Joe.

Pooey, I wish I could lolhammer this wagon.

Go for it. I started it. If he flips town, I'll take the heat for it.

[Xkfyu]

I have strong townreads on lane and Lilith. I have a meh townread on Xkfyu and Clumsy.

I don't on Snarky, Soren, and Joe.

Pooey, I wish I could lolhammer this wagon.

Go for it. I started it. If he flips town, I'll take the heat for it.

Actually, I guess we should let him come back to the thread and claim, first...

Then hammer!

[Xkfyu]

Oh lol.... We only switch after a mislynch. I get your reaction now

Yep, that would be the reason. You aren't playing dumb to cover up a slip now, are you?

Haha just laughing to myself literally out loud. That looks really bad I know. But no.

That would be an utterly insane slip for someone as experienced as you to make, so I have to believe that your mistake was genuine.

[Xkfyu]

I would like anyone who hasn't already to comment on Kuroi's lynch.

[Xkfyu]

I forgot to quote Xkfyu's post but... how the hell did you go from town reading me to voting me?

Xk, why the move from joe to kuroi?

Trying to mix things up.

Are you scumreading him?

Enough so that I'm fine with his lynch.

I think the way he came off of his scum read on me was too easy, and it didn't really feel natural to me. It was also very convenient in that it happened right after I stated interest in scum reading Snarky.

Speaking of which, his read on Snarky seemed illogical.

[Xkfyu]

I would like anyone who hasn't already to comment on Kuroi's lynch.

I don't like this wagon. It formed way to quickly for my liking, and my biggest scum read jumped on it as well. I am fine with my current vote.

Apparently, your biggest scum read STARTED it.

[Xkfyu]

Clumsy and javajoe's dislike for the wagon makes me like it more

Why?

[Xkfyu]

Because they aren't in my town reads

How many scum are you expecting to be on each Earth?

[Xkfyu]

2

You can see how that doesn't add up, right?

[Xkfyu]

UNVOTE: KuroiXHF

[Xkfyu]

2

You can see how that doesn't add up, right?

Yeah... And?

Surely you don't need me to point out the faulty logic there.

[Xkfyu]

What's going on xk?

I believe him.

[Xkfyu]

To clarify my last role, I didn't mean my role doesn't mean just because I'm a VT; I mean my role doesn't matter because if I told you I was a cop, it wouldn't change whether you'd see me as scum or not.

If you would have claimed Cop, I wouldn't have necessarily believed you outright, but I would have still unvoted, and let the night actions sort you.

Claiming VT here though, does lead me to believing you outright.

[Xkfyu]

Strong Town: TelltaleHeart
Lean Town: Lilith, Clumsy
Null: Soren, Javajoe
Lean Scum: Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman
Strong Scum: Lane

Here where's I am.

lane
TTH
Xkfyu/Soren/Snarky
Kuroi/Javajoe/Clumsy

Maybe I don't need you to explain it. But you'll have to explain why that's a problem now, and hasn't been a problem with you before

Having 3 scum reads in a game where there is very likely to have 2 isn't the problem.

However, using the fact that 2 of your scum reads don't like the wagon that just formed on your 3rd scum read as evidence that the wagon is good, is a problem, because no matter what, at least one of them is town.

[Xkfyu]

Claiming VT here though, does lead me to believing you outright.

Bad plan. This is a game of deception. If I'm scum, it's my obligation to lie to you.

Here we go with the Mafia lessons again.

You sure you don't just want to accept the town read and move on?

[Xkfyu]

It's my job to persuade people to find scum. I'm probably stricter than others but it's against our best interest if you town read people for bad reasons. Of course I know I'm town but you can just as easily town read scum.

So, you're saying that claiming VT at L-1 here is a bad reason to town read you?

[Xkfyu]

Not following. If one of my scum reads is against it, I like that. If two of them are, that's even better odds that a scum is against the wagon.

Why do you say no matter what, at least one of them are town? Why can't they both be scum?

They CAN both be scum, but that would mean that the wagon (the one on your 3rd scum read) would definitely be on town.

[Xkfyu]

True, but I don't know kuroi's alignment. Do you?

I don't. Not for sure. But Kuroi's alignment is totally irrelevant to my point. My point was simply that your logic was completely invalid.

[Xkfyu]

It's my job to persuade people to find scum. I'm probably stricter than others but it's against our best interest if you town read people for bad reasons. Of course I know I'm town but you can just as easily town read scum.

So, you're saying that claiming VT at L-1 here is a bad reason to town read you?

Yes, that's a terrible reason.

You've been here longer than I have and you're telling me you've never seen scum claim VT?

And I've played on other sites, as well. Sure I have, but I think he's telling the truth here.

[Xkfyu]

TTH, I'm kinda starting to like Javajoe a little more. Convince me he's scum, please.

[Xkfyu]

TTH, I'm kinda starting to like Javajoe a little more. Convince me he's scum, please.

No

Anyone else, then?

[Xkfyu]

In post 308, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 306, KuroiXHF wrote:
To clarify my last role, I didn't mean my role doesn't mean just because I'm a VT; I mean my role doesn't matter because if I told you I was a cop, it wouldn't change whether you'd see me as scum or not.

If you would have claimed Cop, I wouldn't have necessarily believed you outright, but I would have still unvoted, and let the night actions sort you.

Claiming VT here though, does lead me to believing you outright.

Why?!?!?!?!?!

Claiming VT in what I figure has as many roles (or close to it) as a Role Madness game as scum would basically be suicide.

In post 324, lane0168 wrote:
In post 306, KuroiXHF wrote:
To clarify my last role, I didn't mean my role doesn't mean just because I'm a VT; I mean my role doesn't matter because if I told you I was a cop, it wouldn't change whether you'd see me as scum or not.


I got a serious issue with this post... Why would claiming cop even be an option if you're vanilla Townie? This just looks like you thought about claiming cop, but then thought maybe vanilla Townie would be most believable

This. It sounds like Kuroi saw lane's "my character is way underpowered" post in the beginning and decided to claim VT in order to match what he thought other people had for roles.

I think that's a bit of a reach.

In post 325, Xkfyu wrote:
TTH, I'm kinda starting to like Javajoe a little more. Convince me he's scum, please.

And why on earth are you asking for TTH to case joe?!?!?! Competing wagon much?

She and I were both scum reading him earlier in the game. However, now that I believe Kuroi's claim, Joe looks a little better to me since he was against the wagon, and I wanted TTH's current thoughts on him, or anyone else.

[Xkfyu]

I have to agree with Lilith, every upick I have seen everyone has had some kind of power. That being said, I do believe you both on your VT claims. Sticking with my current vote.

Still staying with that vote on me, huh?

Anything I can do to change your mind?

[Xkfyu]

Joe looks a little better to me since he was against the wagon

Being against a wagon is a not a difficult or risky position for scum to take. This is especially true if they know the wagon's on town.

I'm aware, hence the word "little."

[Xkfyu]

Joe, could you answer this question, please?

Yeah, you are confusing lack of posts/effort for scumminess, which is not necessarily true. I think Lilith is town, and right now I am going to

VOTE: xk

I don't like his posts thus far. Lane came across scummy to me, but not enough to vote him. My play style I am generally more cautious with my votes and don't throw them around. Only exception being RVS.

Which posts didn't you like, and why?

[Xkfyu]

Updated Read List:

Strong Town: TelltaleHeart
Lean Town: Clumsy
Null: Soren, Javajoe, Xkfyu, Snarkysnowman
Lean Scum: Lane, Lilith
Strong Scum:

Although I haven't critically examined Clumsy as much as I'd like.

Why is Lane still in your scum pile?

[Xkfyu]

That's the most non-committal readlist ever kuroi. Why no read on xk? why no read on javajoe? why scumlean on lilith??

Well, at least he posted a read list. What does yours look like?

[Xkfyu]

Someone get in here and talk to me.

[Xkfyu]

Finally, someone's here.

Lane, what are you thoughts on TTH?

[Xkfyu]

So Lilith, do you still feel this way:

In post 305, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 303, lane0168 wrote:
What's going on xk?

I believe him.

Ew.

[Xkfyu]

Well.. What you said makes sense; given the meta for role madness, it'd be close to suicide for scum to claim VT. I can't shake off the feeling that kuroi claimed VT deliberately but again.. I can't tell if I'm just confbiasing myself at this point.

Well, given the way Kuroi said "Vanilla Superhero," and the fact that Lane confirmed it, I think it's pretty safe to say he's telling the truth.

[Xkfyu]

Yeah I don't have any reason to believe kuroi is anything but town. Even the spiderman sample role pm just says superhero

Yep, I checked that as well.

[Xkfyu]

I have tth as a town read. She had a chance to hammer kuroi with basically no backlash and didn't take it. Even if she had Id still have her as town

Yeah, you're probably right about the hammer. I just have serious trepidation about lynching Joe.

[Xkfyu]

Yeah id like to lynch javajoe.

Don't get me wrong. I get it. He's pretty damn scummy looking, and the points against him are good. In my experience though, the scummiest players in D1 almost always flip town.

Then who?

I'm not exactly sure yet. I have you and Kuroi as strong town, followed by TTH and Lilith who I think are probably town.

So, one of Clumsy, Joe, Snarky, and Soren being my choices for today.

I'm gonna start here:

VOTE: Clumsy

[Xkfyu]

{Kuroi, lane}
{Xk,Lilith, clumsy}
{TTH}
{Snarky}
{Soren}

VOTE: soren

Thoughts after doing a re-read on everyone's ISO.

Can you explain your scum reads a little?

[Xkfyu]

Soren, any thoughts you'd like to share since you're here?

[Xkfyu]

no

Why?

[Xkfyu]

didnt read the last 5 pages

Well, I don't want you to just make shit up, so I suppose that's a good enough reason for now, but are you maybe gonna do that at some point?

[Xkfyu]

Wasn't little to no reasoning one of the reasons javajoe scumread xk?

Lol ironically, yes.

[Xkfyu]

Post 418

Now that's funny.

[Xkfyu]

In post 392, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 391, lilith2013 wrote:
Well.. What you said makes sense; given the meta for role madness, it'd be close to suicide for scum to claim VT. I can't shake off the feeling that kuroi claimed VT deliberately but again.. I can't tell if I'm just confbiasing myself at this point.

Well, given the way Kuroi said "Vanilla Superhero," and the fact that Lane confirmed it, I think it's pretty safe to say he's telling the truth.


But.. There's a small part of me that argues that it's generally the norm for mods to provide scum with VT role PMs or fake claims.

If that's what had happened, I would have expected Kuroi to be more careful with his claim.

Like, town Kuroi reading his legit "Vanilla Superhero" role card at the beginning of the game and going, "Ok I'm a VT," and not really paying attention to it for the rest of the game, and just claiming VT? I can totally see that.

Scum Kuroi getting a fake "Vanilla Superhero" role card, and then leaving out the word "Superhero" (which would definitely convince any other VTs that his role card was legit? Not so much.

[Xkfyu]

Not the same circumstances, but similar enough to make me paranoid.

Was UTL given that flavor name to claim, or did she come up with it herself?

[Xkfyu]

I don't know.

Well, I didn't read too much of it, but that just looked like a bad fake claim to me. If the mod had given scum fake flavor claims, surely they would have been safe. Otherwise, it defeats the purpose.

I don't think that situation is very similar at all to this one, but maybe I missed something?

[Xkfyu]

Going V/LA for the weekend. I'll still be around, just not nearly as much.

[Xkfyu]

Probably should bold that to make sure Cakez sees it.

Going V/LA for the weekend. I'll still be around, just not nearly as much.

[Xkfyu]

I don't know.

Well, I didn't read too much of it, but that just looked like a bad fake claim to me. If the mod had given scum fake flavor claims, surely they would have been safe. Otherwise, it defeats the purpose.

I don't think that situation is very similar at all to this one, but maybe I missed something?

Ugh idk am I just being dumb and irrational right now?

Overly paranoid, I'd say. The only way either one of them is scum is if they are both scum and, in that case, it's an insanely risky gambit that's gonna get them caught. So, I'm not concerned about them.

[Xkfyu]

Can't we confirm lane and kurio simply by asking if anyone else is a VT in this game. I find it unlikely that there is only 2 if there are any at all.

So, you think there are either 0 VTs, or more than 2?

Why?

[Xkfyu]

Because of balancing issues. And replenishing for VT? I am only asking for one other to confirm my theory.

What kind of PRs do scum have?

[Xkfyu]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7880854

And that's one just off the top of my head that I played in.

[Xkfyu]

Because of balancing issues. And replenishing for VT? I am only asking for one other to confirm my theory.

What kind of PRs do scum have?

...what kind of answer are you expecting?

"I don't know," which is exactly what I got.

And if he's telling the truth, he can't possibly have any kind of idea as to how many VTs it would take to balance this game properly.

[Xkfyu]

It was two.

[Xkfyu]

Those still voting for either Kuroi or Lane need to move their votes to someone who is actually a lynch possibility for today.

[Xkfyu]

First!

[Xkfyu]

You even remembered the cat.

[Xkfyu]

Those still voting for either Kuroi or Lane need to move their votes to someone who is actually a lynch possibility for today.

Let's get back to this.

[Xkfyu]

Argh I just don't have any strong enough reads to feel like my vote should be anywhere in particular. I think lane is town and I think TTH is probably town and beyond that it's really just different shades of null.

I'm right back here with the addition of kuroi being prob-town.

I feel kinda the same way. I'm not 100% sure who I want to lynch out of Clumsy, Joe, Snarky, and Soren, but I do know that those are the only ones that I'm interested in looking at for today.

[Xkfyu]

If I am your strongest scum read manga, why are you still voting clumsy? I did the same thing earlier and people said I was scummy for it.

You aren't his strongest scum read by yourself. You and Clumsy are both equally the most scummy for him. See the equal sign in his post?

[Xkfyu]

See my wiki, I have a scum game or two in there.

Of course we can all go look at your scum meta for ourselves, but I'd also like to hear Magna's own interpretation of your scum meta.

[Xkfyu]

On Xkfyu – because I don’t believe this indicates Snarky scum-play and Xkfyu is both claiming his read up on Snarky indicated that. Also he’s too worried about whether someone will approve his vote on a scum read he is claiming to have. That’s not Town-perspective play.

If you're talking about my comment about Kuroi being mad at me, that was a joke in reference to the earlier sheeping conversation we had at the outset of the game.

[Xkfyu]

Early Town read on Telltale for the scum theatre comment.

I know this was really early, but why did that comment make you think town?

[Xkfyu]

Early Town read on Telltale for the scum theatre comment.

I know this was really early, but why did that comment make you think town?

Never mind. You've already answered it in response to Lilith asking the same question.

[Xkfyu]

I have this terrible feeling that we are barking up the wrong tree(s).

Notice how the vote count has remained static since before the site went down, even with a reasonable amount of discussion. I don't think any of the three vote leaders (Clumsy, Joe, and Kuroi) are scum.

Unfortunately, if that's true, then that means that one of my town reads is wrong. I'm pretty sure that it isn't Lane, so that just leaves Lilith, MoI, and TTH. So, which one of you is scum with Snarky?

UNVOTE: Clumsy

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[Xkfyu]

VLA it is. (Don't freak out at me for how long I'm away.)

Mod, I'll be VLA until 6/5.

Lurker!!

[Xkfyu]

(I mean, objectively, why Snarky. Not just from this wagon-not-moving thing.)

Because of balancing issues. And replenishing for VT? I am only asking for one other to confirm my theory.

The more vt's that claim, the better chance scum have of hitting pr's. Is what clumsy is getting at

This.

And I can't tell if javajoe is rolefishing or just didn't think of that.

This fence-sitting post. I think Snarky knows that Joe is town, but he's leaving his options open so that he can either push him on it, or WK him for it.

Plus the wagon-not-moving thing.

[Xkfyu]

I mean discussion has been centered around moi's catchup. Snarky and javajoe haven't said much. I'm not sure how the wagons not moving besides magna vote on clumsy means those 3 are town

So, think about it from a scum perspecitve.

You're right, most of the discussion has been focused on MoI's catchup. However, there are enough people that have me in their scum pile that, if scum wanted to, they could fairly easily move the wagon onto me. Yet, I am sitting here with not a single vote on me. So, that tells me that scum really isn't interested in my lynch right now. Therefore, I can assume 2 things.

1. That, somewhere along the way, my reads are wrong enough that scum isn't too concerned about me, and
2. That all 3 of the other lynch candidates (because that's absolutely what they are at this point. If we keep going like this, one of those 3 will definitely be lynched) are all town. Otherwise, scum would be trying to move the focus to someone else (I would be a perfect candidate, right now).

[Xkfyu]

Lilith - I want you to vote Snarky.

[Xkfyu]

In post 525, Xkfyu wrote:
If you're talking about my comment about Kuroi being mad at me, that was a joke in reference to the earlier sheeping conversation we had at the outset of the game.

So instead of voting the player you thought to be scum you made a joke instead? Do I have that right?

Don't try to make it out to be a bigger thing than it is.

In post 531, Xkfyu wrote:
I have this terrible feeling that we are barking up the wrong tree(s).

Notice how the vote count has remained static since before the site went down, even with a reasonable amount of discussion. I don't think any of the three vote leaders (Clumsy, Joe, and Kuroi) are scum.


How many scum to you think there are in a 9 player set-up? Real question.

Also – are you seriously suggesting that 536 is your case on Snarky?

Are you Clumsy’s partner who went for some early distancing and now is worried he might get lynched?

Two.

Yes.

No.

[Xkfyu]

LOL @555

VOTE: xkfyu

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Xkfyu]

So in 555 you said that 536 is your case on me. Now, your case on me seems to consist on the fact that I wasn't sure if Javajoe saying what he said was scummy, or just something he hadn't thought of. That's weak as shit.

K

[Xkfyu]

Xk....

Can you explain all of your current reads to me? Or whatever your reads were before you switched to snarky?

Before I realized that the votes had been stagnant for as long as they have, I was scum reading Clumsy. However, his recent posts have looked a lot better to me. Plus, I think scum were perfectly happy with a lynch on either one of Clumsy, Joe, and Kuroi. Which leads me to believe that they are probably town, like I said before.

My town read on Lane remains unchanged, for reasons I said a long time ago.

That leaves two scum in you, Snarky, MoI, and TTH. I don't think it's you and Snarky because of how long you were both voting for Kuroi. It would make much more sense for scum to divide their only votes up amongst different people when there are so many choices, instead of putting all their eggs in one basket. I also don't think you and MoI's conversation was for everyone else's benefit. So, I don't think you're buddies with him. So, I think it's one of the following scum teams:

Snarky/TTH
Snarky/MoI
MoI/TTH
Lilith/TTH

Hmm...now that I write it out like that, perhaps TTH is the better lynch.

[Xkfyu]

In post 173, Xkfyu wrote:
Snarky, if I'm scum and you're town, why would I even bother stating a town read on you when I could easily just say that you're a null read since you haven't posted anything significant yet?

Great wifom. I could offer a few reasons, such as that I tend to be easily mislynched, and calling me town from the get-go could be townpoints.

And how could I possibly know that you tend to be easily mislynched?

In post 214, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 213, lane0168 wrote:
Doubt it... Considering the state of this game, snarky's posts and what I read elsewhere, I call bull shit. He doesn't have a valid reason for the scumread. I encourage others to do a little checking themselves

I did do a little reading, and now I kinda want to scum read Snarky, as well, but I don't want Kuroi to get mad at me for sheeping.

Nice turn here.

Let's lynch this scum.

Thank you. Like I said, good luck.

[Xkfyu]

So, I think it's one of the following scum teams:

Snarky/TTH
Snarky/MoI
MoI/TTH
Lilith/TTH

Hmm...now that I write it out like that, perhaps TTH is the better lynch.

Yeah. I like it. Let's do that.

UNVOTE: SnarkySnowman

VOTE: TellTaleHeart

[Xkfyu]

Ummm okay can we rewind then? Explain to me your reads before 531 happened.

Before 531, I was scum reading Clumsy, Joe, and Snarky. You can see that in 398. My intent there was to try to eliminate more people out of my lynch pool, which I started to do before the site went down. My short interaction with Soren, right after that, made me think he was probably town, based on his "I haven't read anything and I'm not going to apologize for it" posture.

Then, MoI replaced Soren, and I felt a lot more confident in that slot being town.

I was also town reading TTH for a good long while, but ever since the site came back up, she hasn't really done anything to keep that solid town read from me. I feel like she's just kinda been here, and that's why I'm thinking that she is a good candidate for the lynch. She was pretty active before, when it wasn't clear who would be lynched, but has gone pretty quiet while the votes haven't been moving.

[Xkfyu]

Before I realized that the votes had been stagnant for as long as they have, I was scum reading Clumsy. However, his recent posts have looked a lot better to me

Link to said posts and explain exactly what specifically about you think "looks a lot better".

His recent post look a lot better than his older posts, is what I meant. His post where it appeared that he was role fishing hard, just to name one. But I'll give you some examples, sure.

In post 501, TellTaleHeart wrote:
Regarding Clumsy, I'll admit that the AtE in Post 184 got to me.

I know I'm not "supposed" to give that any weight, but ~the feels.~


That wasn't ATE. At least, not meant to be. Just a fact that I have not had a good Day 1 in a game yet. Death tunneled somewhat solid town first game (although I was scum), Completely offbase on Day 1 my second game, but called scumteam day 2, etc.

Scum Clumsy would have been conciously lessening the effect of his AtE here. Even if it WAS and accidental AtE coming from scum, there's no reason to not let everyone who is mistaking it as such continue to do so.

In post 479, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Comments Pages 8 to 15

Agree with 179.

Clumsy’s 184 hits my scumdar very, very hard. His pushback on Soren to “look at people other than me” looks Townish on its face but the language he top push the discussion towards Kuroi and Lane specifically reads to me as trying to derail focus on his slot. If Kuroi versus Lane is indeed TvT then attempting to direct attention to their early conflict would be a scum-motivated play.

And 186 is scummy. In 184 Clumsy had just spent a paragraph on how his top suspects were Lane and Xkfyu. Yet he moves his vote away to Lillith basically for activity reasons. In 184 he literally had just claimed Lillith was Null and yet 10 minutes later Lillith is a viable vote.


I pushed it towards Kuroi and Lane because he had stated no opinions on it at all, even though it was the biggest thing that had been going on. Instead he avoids it and comes after me, which seems to me like scum trying to not get mixed up in all of that.

I'm completely buying this as genuine, even if I don't necessarily agree with his conclusion.

Pushing my vote over to Lillith does not mean that she is suddenly my number 1 scum read. The vote is a tool. One that can result in a hanging, but you'd be hardpressed to convince anyone that my vote moving there was trying to get her to be the lynch today. She seemed to be coasting by without offering opinions, and I wanted some pressure there.

This as well, as I have made similar early D1 plays myself, as town. Even some this game.

[Xkfyu]

Yeah .. I’m going to call some bullshit on the “Votes have been stagnant” being floated.

Wow, 9 days. I didn't claim that they had been stagnant for that long.

Since my vote on Clumsy here:

Yeah id like to lynch javajoe.

Don't get me wrong. I get it. He's pretty damn scummy looking, and the points against him are good. In my experience though, the scummiest players in D1 almost always flip town.

Then who?

I'm not exactly sure yet. I have you and Kuroi as strong town, followed by TTH and Lilith who I think are probably town.

So, one of Clumsy, Joe, Snarky, and Soren being my choices for today.

I'm gonna start here:

VOTE: Clumsy

the vote leaders have been Clumsy, Joe, and Kuroi. For the 18 hours or so between that, and the time in which the site went down, and the 2.5ish days since it came back up, the vote leaders have remained stagnant.

[Xkfyu]

And it's still not clear who's going to be lynched so that point is bunk.

It's not clear now, I agree. It was, however, pretty clear that one of Clumsy, Joe, or Kuroi were going to be lynched in the way we were going.

[Xkfyu]

the vote leaders have been Clumsy, Joe, and Kuroi. For the 18 hours or so between that, and the time in which the site went down, and the 2.5ish days since it came back up, the vote leaders have remained stagnant.

Um I don't think you understand what stagnant means then. 3 days of relatively slow vote movement after a site 72 or so hour downtime is hardly enough evidence to conclude that "leading wagons are all Town".

Or maybe you don't.

The only votes that changed was Joe unvoting me, and voting for Soren, right after me, and Kuroi putting his vote on Joe shortly after that. No votes had changed at all in the hours leading up to the site going down, and hadn't since the site came back up. And neither of those votes had any affect on the vote leaders.

[Xkfyu]

the vote leaders have been Clumsy, Joe, and Kuroi. For the 18 hours or so between that, and the time in which the site went down, and the 2.5ish days since it came back up, the vote leaders have remained stagnant.

Um I don't think you understand what stagnant means then. 3 days of relatively slow vote movement after a site 72 or so hour downtime is hardly enough evidence to conclude that "leading wagons are all Town".

I could take the leap of faith and lynch Clumsy, but I still think there's a good chance Javajoe is scum and I think that lynch is a lot more attainable in the current gamestate.

In this environment I don't really think much is getting done and we're quickly approaching the "need a flip" point.

If it was just a "leap of faith," why were you voting him?

[Xkfyu]

I likely won't be addressing you from here on out.

Why would you ignore someone who could possibly be scum?

I have no idea what your question means anyway.

I was describing my act of voting him as a "leap of faith."

So, your original vote on him was the leap of faith?

[Xkfyu]

Why would you ignore someone who could possibly be scum?

Because I don't think you are.
And it makes it to where I don't have to replace out.

Why would you replace out? Just because you don't like the way I play?

So, your original vote on him was the leap of faith?

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. What "original vote"? I only voted Clumsy once.

I think we're both confused now, so never mind.

[Xkfyu]

Lilith, who do you want to lynch? Kuroi is not happening.

[Xkfyu]

In post 563, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 173, Xkfyu wrote:
Snarky, if I'm scum and you're town, why would I even bother stating a town read on you when I could easily just say that you're a null read since you haven't posted anything significant yet?

Great wifom. I could offer a few reasons, such as that I tend to be easily mislynched, and calling me town from the get-go could be townpoints.

And how could I possibly know that you tend to be easily mislynched?

[Xkfyu]

I've played with you in a few games, and have my games all easily accessible in my wiki. I'm mislynched much more often than not, and you saw me get stupidly mislynched in at least one game.

I don't look at wiki's, and I only remember two games that we were in together. NY-whatever-it-was with the werewolves, where you were NKed, and Netherspite's role madness game, where you were lynched as the Jester. Neither of those is a mislynch.

[Xkfyu]

II'm mislynched much more often than not, and you saw me get stupidly mislynched in at least one game.

@Xk

- is the bolded true?

The only thing that is bolded is my name lol.

But no, I don't think I've ever seen Snarky get lynched as town. Even if I had seen him mislynched in ONE game, that alone doesn't suggest a pattern of "mislynched more often than not."

[Xkfyu]

It was NY 193, if you're interested.

[Xkfyu]

But yeah, he does get mislynched a fair amount of the time if you do research outside your shared experiences.

I believe you. Hell, I even believed him. However, while I do remember certain things about certain players that I've played with in past games, I don't do that kind of research on players, and had no idea that that was the case until he brought it up.

Also...

Hi Lilith getting on a plane!

[Xkfyu]

I don't get it. Why not just out who your partner is? The whole neighbor thing is completely null as far as either of your alignments go, anyways.

Why would either of you consider keeping the rest of the info secret, now that the neighborhood has been outed?

[Xkfyu]

Plus, it's Lilith.

[Xkfyu]

......... What's me?

Joe's

scum

neighborhood partner.

[Xkfyu]

Hmph.

How do you figure?

PoE, followed by a guess.

I take it I guessed wrong?

[Xkfyu]

Or did I guess right, and you're wondering how I came to that conclusion?

[Xkfyu]

It's Lilith, she didn't post anything in the neighborhood so gonna just out her. I still have a town read on her from conversations in the neighborhood.

So you have a Town read on her slot from her complete lack of posting in the Neighborhood?

That's clearly not what he meant.

[Xkfyu]

So, I was right about Lilith being his neighbor (at least I was right about something).

Now, quick question. If Joe flips as a scum neighbor, does that make Lilith confirmed town?

I know that the members of a neighborhood would be selected at random, but would there be a guard against both members of the scum team being in the neighborhood, since that would totally defeat the purpose of the neighborhood?

[Xkfyu]

He meant I didn't post re: outing myself, but I was expecting him to post because he said he was going to check with me????

Anyway yeah I'm in the neighborhood.

Why didn't you just say so when you came into the thread, instead of asking me why I thought it was you?

[Xkfyu]

Oops, disregard my last post, confused this game with another I am playing with moi

Wait, what? Aren't you still voting for MoI?

[Xkfyu]

Is moi the replacement for Soren?

Yes.

[Xkfyu]

In post 649, Xkfyu wrote:
So, I was right about Lilith being his neighbor (at least I was right about something).

It would probably be easy to figure out if I looked back and searched. But good job!

Yeah, it was a pretty simple conclusion.

[Xkfyu]

In post 649, Xkfyu wrote:
So, I was right about Lilith being his neighbor (at least I was right about something).

It would probably be easy to figure out if I looked back and searched. But good job!

Yeah, it was a pretty simple conclusion.

That obvious? *winces*

It wasn't anything you did.

I knew it wasn't me, and I could tell it wasn't Kuroi or Clumsy, based on how they reacted to his claim.

Then, with the way he stated concern about not wanting to out his partner, that told me that he was currently town reading his partner. Otherwise, he would have just outed his partner and said he was scum reading them, and then gave his reasoning for it.

That only left me with a list of Lane, TTH, and you. I went with you because you were higher up on his town list, in his last reads list, than TTH, and I had a gut feeling that it wasn't Lane.

[Xkfyu]

In post 649, Xkfyu wrote:
Now, quick question. If Joe flips as a scum neighbor, does that make Lilith confirmed town?

I know that the members of a neighborhood would be selected at random, but would there be a guard against both members of the scum team being in the neighborhood, since that would totally defeat the purpose of the neighborhood?

No. Frankly I already was reading her Town so I’d feel very comfortable with it but that doesn’t make her Mod Confirmed. In fact it would be a nice set-up WIFOM cover for two scum in a Micro game to be Neighbors. I don’t know Sir Cakez’s modding tendancies enough to say with any certainty whether he would or would not do that. It also would require a very low Town power level to make sense from a balance standpoint.

That makes sense. I don't have a lot of experience in games with neighborhoods, so I wanted to check.

[Xkfyu]

Leaving, sorry.

You're replacing out?

I'm pretty sure she means just leaving the thread. She is on vacation.

[Xkfyu]

We need to make sure that everyone checks in before the lynch happens. So, if anyone who isn't already voting for Joe wants to vote him, please hold off on doing so until then.

[Xkfyu]

We need to make sure that everyone checks in before the lynch happens. So, if anyone who isn't already voting for Joe wants to vote him, please hold off on doing so until then.

So Xk .. what happened to that "Joe isn't scum due to wagon stagnation" thing you were floating earlier?

I'm not saying that he's scum (in fact, I am still leaning more town on him right now), just that it looks very likely that Joe is on his way to being lynched.

[Xkfyu]

What is it with you and Spiderman lol

[Xkfyu]

Lol

[Xkfyu]

Where did everybody go, anyways?

[Xkfyu]

Sorry guys. I'm here. I forgot to set V/LA for the weekend.

Getting caught up now.

[Xkfyu]

Wonder if Xkfyu forgot about us.

Almost. It's been about a month since I could post in this game.

[Xkfyu]

Xk, did you protect anyone the night you were killed?

No. I thought we were using Earth One actions during N1.

[Xkfyu]

Ranger, who's your second choice? I'm not voting for MoI.

[Xkfyu]

I'm pretty sure that Kuroi and MoI are both town here, so...

VOTE: Clumsy

That's L-1.

[Xkfyu]

Ranger, who's your second choice?

Easily lilith.

Aside from the neighborhood debacle, there's her identical play to Earth-2 (where she's a scumread), along with how it was just generally scummy in the first place.

And quite seriously. The marked difference between Magna's play on Earth-1 and Earth-2 is the difference between night and day. Look at his posting right now. Compare it to his Earth-2 posting. It's nothing alike.

Could you remind me what the "neighborhood debacle" was?

[Xkfyu]

GG everyone.

Thanks for hosting Cakez. I thought the setup was a lot of fun.

If I ran this again, but Marvel flavor instead, role madness and reviewed by a couple good reviewers, would people play it?
:c

I would definitely play.

[Xkfyu]

Any my apologies to town on Earth 1. From our discussion in the neighborhood, I had a strong suspicion that Lilith was scum in Day 4, even before she hammered MoI, but I kept it under wraps for too long.

[Xkfyu]

EBWOP

And

my apologies to town on Earth 1. From our discussion in the neighborhood, I had a strong suspicion that Lilith was scum in Day 4, even before she hammered MoI, but I kept it under wraps for too long.