Micro 609: DC Dual Universes uPick - Game over!

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Lane

Already kind of not RVS.

[KuroiXHF]

More because of his interest in sheeping.

If you're here to be a mindless zombie, this isn't the game for you. Plus, it's anti-town. I mean, this is day one and I'm sure it will change, but I already don't like his posting.

[KuroiXHF]

I feel that. I'm extremely excited about my character. Just check the web. (I'm Spiderman)

[KuroiXHF]

lol, personal reasons vote. Forget that I voted you based on your play style. My job here is to criticize your play style. My job is to find scum and you're easily the scummiest person here.

Nice OMGYS, though.

[KuroiXHF]

Omgus? You just claimed a character from the marvel universe. Considering this is a DC UNIVERSE GAME. I'm going to call you a total liar

Of course I fucking lied. It's called a joke. In fact, they used that very Marvel character in the instructions page.

You're not a very good scum, overreacting and getting pissy.

[KuroiXHF]

1 Post #1. Did you not see him? It's Spiderman. Spiderman. Does whatever a mother fucking spider can.

Can he swing from a web?
Fuck yeah, he can.

And I can hear the humiliation in your heart, because you're realizing how stupid you insisting I'm a liar is.

Everyone else, do you think I was really trying to pass off as Spiderman?

[KuroiXHF]

Yes, because I thought everyone was going to believe that I'm Spiderman.

That's a lot more believable than you sheeping to whomever is doing their work.

Here's an idea: How about we both get what we want. I'll find scum and you sheep behind me to whomever I vote for?

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi's new avatar is throwing me off.

I'd change it to Spiderman, but I'm afraid of being lynched.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi's new avatar is throwing me off.

I'd change it to Spiderman, but I'm afraid of being lynched.

What happened to dancing Miltank?

That was for Kain TEPES!!!!!!!!

God bless his udder.


....on another note, I should have been Kain Tepes for my character pick. My POSTS would have been amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[KuroiXHF]

Ah fuck...

I wasn't going to, just because I'm already in quite a number of games, but this is too good to pass up.

And yes, I'm as sure as I can be this early in the game that Lane is scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Mod,

Is the alignment of the character in the show/comics the alignment of the character in this game?

[KuroiXHF]

I'm actually going to agree. From the outside looking in, it does seem like bussing. However, I can say that I've always been against sheeping. I can't link you to any examples because I don't want to break any rules.

[KuroiXHF]

Ok. Well let's lynch kuroi first

On basis that you think I'm a dick or because I made a joke about my character, right.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh, this is good.

[KuroiXHF]

Hmm?

I found Lane's reply to be hilarious. Part of me is now curious if he's just a VT.

[KuroiXHF]

I naturally scum read anyone who claims to sheep because it shows an effort to follow/coast as well as lacking independent thought. Lacking independent thought is not pro-town and anything not pro-town is pro-scum.

I further scum read him when he got so upset because I joked about being Spiderman. He acted like he found scum caught in a lie. "You say you're Spiderman?! But that can't be true because he's a MARVEL character and we're playing in a DC game!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjEGI2jk2A

[KuroiXHF]

Then my comment shouldn't have set him off so much. I scrutinized his play style, but he's acting like I banged his mom and didn't call back.

[KuroiXHF]

LOL. I see, you were crumbing.

Now don't claim, but what should I Google? "Heroes with the power to be super victimized?"

[KuroiXHF]

More because of his interest in sheeping.

If you're here to be a mindless zombie, this isn't the game for you. Plus, it's anti-town. I mean, this is day one and I'm sure it will change, but I already don't like his posting.

Meh, don't really like this. I don't think it's a great reason, but meh, it's early Day 1.

That's why I'm open to change my vote. The way I operate is I usually start off with an RVS (And even when I voted Lane, I said "kind of" not RVS.) then after that, I voted for the scummiest person. If someone is scummier than Lane, I'll vote them.

[KuroiXHF]

It seems like you've changed your mind about lane being scummy? 75 in particular.

If you have changed your mind about lane being scummy then who would be your next scummiest player?

That was me being facetious with a hint of sarcasm. I am considering him to be a VI, but only considering. I'm sure I'll have more to add tonight.

And also, I'll be gone tomorrow. Bachelor party.

[KuroiXHF]

VI? Do you mean VT?

No.

[KuroiXHF]

Village Idiot, it explains many town out there who appear extremely scummy.

[KuroiXHF]

I have a history for getting under someone's skin. Check... any game I've ever played, except for the Song of Ice and Fire. That's the only game I haven't gone under anyone's skin, which - funny enough, I was scum.

It wasn't Lane's sheeping that got me going; it was his smug and arrogant reaction to it.

[KuroiXHF]

Alright, I'm here now. Who we lynching?

I really don't like this for the same reason I don't like Lane's first post. It's full of dependency and lack of intuition.

KuroiXHF seems to be employing some kind of strategy to get a reaction out of lane and pushing him.

Wasn't my intent but a nice little side effect.

Kuroi, have you done enough pushing and are you confident with your scum read on lane?

I'm relatively confident in Lane being scum. (Considering it's still very early on day one.) I'll do some more reads tonight.

[KuroiXHF]

FYI: I'll have a fifty-fifty shot at catching up as much as I'd like. If I can't get it done today, it'll be tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

OK, I'm here. Catch up incoming.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm the one who steps from the shadows,
all trenchcoat and cigarette and arrogance,
ready to deal with the madness.

VOTE: lane

I feel like this is a lot more than just song lyrics.

Because you are a supervillan?

Gut feeling of Javajoe asking a lot of invasive questions.

Two soft flavor claims already?

~puts out cigarette~
Yeah. What's the fun in being your favorite character if you can't roleplay a little bit?

I'll post my read list in a bit.
Is there a reason you felt the need to comment on it?

Gut feeling of TelltaleHeart as town.

... And?

VOTE: snarkysnowman

Terrible voting. Voting someone who's basically AFK?

UNVOTE: Soren

VOTE: lane0168

Sheeping Kuroi.

Yeah, when I said I don't like sheeping, that's even when you're following me. Have independent thought and make your own minds. You don't know I'm town.

I don't like all the flip floppiness you have been doing xk..... You have posted little to no reasoning to any of your votes, but continue to throw them out there seemingly at random

You're not wrong.

Fuck it, I'll out the secret scumread.

VOTE: Javajoe

Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?

Because I think you have flawed methods and I really don't see this discussion going anywhere that doesn't end up with you being butthurt and me feeling like I'm wasting my time.

Hello townie points, how are you?

OK fine then. I think your approach sucks too.

Lilith you want to be next? Forget it.

Everyone

get in a single file line so I can tell you I think you're awful.

*in line*

If anyone would like to pitch me their Kuroi town reads, that might be helpful.
(I already read Xkfyu's read. I don't think "not wanting to draw attention to himself" is a good towntell for anyone past the beginner level or anyone with more self-awareness than an amoeba. I think Kuroi is probably a little more savvy than that.)

I know I'm townie because I have a PM about that from the mod. I don't know about World 2, though. I'll let you know when that happens. As for me, I don't care about the amount of attention I have on me. I'll call anyone out if they're doing anything that's not pro-town, even if I know them to be town. It's not enough to know you're town, I have to know who scum is.

[KuroiXHF]

Strong Town: TelltaleHeart
Lean Town: Lilith, Clumsy
Null: Soren, Javajoe
Lean Scum: Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman
Strong Scum: Lane

[KuroiXHF]

More or less, yeah.

[KuroiXHF]

Did you miss the part where I explained why I sheeped you?

Yeah. I did see that, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm giving it some time to seep in. I've been the most talked about person this game thus far and there's a lot for me to process. Some of these posts are hard for me to judge my feelings about it.

You're fucking blind kuroi. How do you put snarky in your scum lean pile, but call my vote on him terrible when he popped in to saying something pointless and "tvt"?

You can vote for scum and have a terrible reason for voting him. However, you don't even know why I scum read him. Don't presume to know where I'm coming from.

Of course he didnt. He doesn't pay attention to anything else once he sees the word sheep apparently. Doesn't read in context, and doesn't notice explanations

And there's the arrogance for answering your own questions to me. Do you see me doing that? No. (Hah! Get it!?)

Gut feeling of Javajoe asking a lot of invasive questions.

How did Joe end up in the nullls?

A surprising complete even amount of points I liked and points I didn't.

Kuroi, your name wouldn't happen to be Jimmy by any chance would it?

uhhhhh.......

[KuroiXHF]

lol, no. My name is not Jimmy. I probably wouldn't want to play with him, though. I consider my play style in a way that compensates precision for a lack of courtesy. At the same time, I apologize to all of you for tolerating me.

[KuroiXHF]

Has anyone seen Clumsy's towngame? Does this kind of shallow pressure vote seem like what he plays like?

I'm not allowed to speak about Clumsy's play style specifically as it pertains to an ongoing game. However, I will say that I've been in that game and I town read Clumsy, so that should both give you what you need to know while not breaking any rules.

[KuroiXHF]

I'll do a full post latee but I will say that I can't elaborate on SnarkySnowman because it relates to an ongoing game. I don't want to break the rules.

[KuroiXHF]

In post 195, Xkfyu wrote:
Did you miss the part where I explained why I sheeped you?

Yeah. I did see that, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm giving it some time to seep in. I've been the most talked about person this game thus far and there's a lot for me to process. Some of these posts are hard for me to judge my feelings about it.

How's the "seeping in" going? You figured out how you feel about my posts yet?

Well now, because of your last post (as you'll see in the next quote), I'll have to reevaluate you top to bottom again. Either way, you're not scummIEST to me so you've likely only little to worry about.

I did do a little reading, and now I kinda want to scum read Snarky, as well, but I don't want Kuroi to get mad at me for sheeping.

It's not sheeping if you've done your own research and have come to your own conclusion. Sheeping is if you said, "Kuroi said he's going to vote Snarky. Well I like the cut of this Kuroi-guy's jib, so I'll follow him." It's not sheeping if you've said, "Well Kuroi is voting Snarky, so I'm going to do some research. *Researches* I agree with Kuroi. Let's vote him."

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[KuroiXHF]

Doubt it... Considering the state of this game, snarky's posts and what I read elsewhere, I call bull shit. He doesn't have a valid reason for the scumread. I encourage others to do a little checking themselves

Do you encourage

yourself

to do a little checking? The fact of the matter is you're calling bullshit because I'm not allowed to prove myself. It puts me in a bad spot.

So yes, please investigate Snarky on your own. If circumstances change and I'm allowed to speak on the matter, I will.

[KuroiXHF]

After reviewing, I've decided to bump Xkfyu to null. I've decided that I have time discovering what he's all about. I can't say I trust him at all, but I don't scum read him anymore. I do say I enjoy not being able to be read from reaction tests, but I think that's more of my real-life personality showing through. Heh.

[KuroiXHF]

So what do you see in snarky's posts here? Describe scum snarky, or town snarky

OK. I've found that when he's less active, he's more likely to be town. The more he coasts, the more likely he is to be town.

[KuroiXHF]

Coasting. Only speaking if being pushed to do so. Being more reactive than pro-active. Not scum hunting.

[KuroiXHF]

Clumsy, to clarify, I find that the most Snarky acts scum, the more likely he is to be town. I'm very confident of this despite the limited exposure I have to him.

[KuroiXHF]

Well the only thing I haven't explained was that I naturally suspect Snarky. I actually didn't mean to put him there.

I probably put him there to remind myself that I don't trust him.

[KuroiXHF]

To answer your question - both and neither. I don't do well with people who are always scummy as fuck but turn up town. I don't do well with people who throw me off like this.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm waiting for Snarky to post more. As far as Javajoe, I've already explained him. He's as scummy in my eyes as he is townie. It cancels out to a null.

[KuroiXHF]

I can do an entire read out of Javajoe if you'd like, but work's about to end and my supervisor is in the area so it'll have to be tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't like all the flip floppiness you have been doing xk..... You have posted little to no reasoning to any of your votes, but continue to throw them out there seemingly at random

I could care less about your strikes lane. If you think in scummy then do like TTH did and vote me. Right now my scummiest read is XK for reasons listed in my last post.

I like these posts. I like how critical he is on xkfryu and lane.

[KuroiXHF]

Argh I just don't have any strong enough reads to feel like my vote should be anywhere in particular. I think lane is town and I think TTH is probably town and beyond that it's really just different shades of null.

I decided to hold off my read on Snowman.

VOTE: kuroi for L-1

Want to... you know, explain?

See you on earth 2 kuroi

See you then. Hope to find town-you there.

Oh lol.... We only switch after a mislynch. I get your reaction now

Did you just admit that I wasn't scum before?

I forgot to quote Xkfyu's post but... how the hell did you go from town reading me to voting me?

[KuroiXHF]

The only one who I feel has a valid reason to vote me is Lilith, and that's just because I can understand her not trusting me after extensively asking me questions. Maybe Lane too, but I feel Lane's voting me because he's bitter.

[KuroiXHF]

My role doesn't matter so a claim is useless. (Though since I have nothing to lose, I'm a vanilla town.)

Worry about what I'm saying more than my role.

[KuroiXHF]

To clarify my last role, I didn't mean my role doesn't mean just because I'm a VT; I mean my role doesn't matter because if I told you I was a cop, it wouldn't change whether you'd see me as scum or not.

[KuroiXHF]

Claiming VT here though, does lead me to believing you outright.

Bad plan. This is a game of deception. If I'm scum, it's my obligation to lie to you.

[KuroiXHF]

It's my job to persuade people to find scum. I'm probably stricter than others but it's against our best interest if you town read people for bad reasons. Of course I know I'm town but you can just as easily town read scum.

[KuroiXHF]

It's my job to persuade people to find scum. I'm probably stricter than others but it's against our best interest if you town read people for bad reasons. Of course I know I'm town but you can just as easily town read scum.

So, you're saying that claiming VT at L-1 here is a bad reason to town read you?

No. I just don't want you to think I'm town just because I claimed VT.

But whatever, I'll take it.

[KuroiXHF]

True, but I don't know kuroi's alignment. Do you?

Yes.

[KuroiXHF]

To clarify my last role, I didn't mean my role doesn't mean just because I'm a VT; I mean my role doesn't matter because if I told you I was a cop, it wouldn't change whether you'd see me as scum or not.

I got a serious issue with this post... Why would claiming cop even be an option if you're vanilla Townie? This just looks like you thought about claiming cop, but then thought maybe vanilla Townie would be most believable

It seems like you're just making up reasons to try to scum read me. Like I said, this scenario was

if I was cop.

I don't want anyone to take me on my word. I don't think anyone should be taken on their word.

[KuroiXHF]

No, "if I told you I was a cop" and "if I was a cop" are two very different sentences from two very different mindsets.

Either way, you couldn't verify it... so... what's your point?

[KuroiXHF]

Telltaleheart - out of curiosity, what's your read on me?

[KuroiXHF]

Lilith, you believe that

every

character has some sort of special ability?

I am, however, surprised that my character does not have powers. He's probably one of the strongest DC characters in existence.
(Hint: My character isn't really Spiderman.)

[KuroiXHF]

I can only speak for World One, but my only power is the power of my vote.

[KuroiXHF]

Lilith, you believe that

every

character has some sort of special ability?

I am, however, surprised that my character does not have powers. He's probably one of the strongest DC characters in existence.
(Hint: My character isn't really Spiderman.)

Not like an

incredibly awesome PR role

, but I wouldn't expect you to have NOTHING.

Okay, bud. You have two choices:
1. Believe me.
2. Don't.

I know you don't trust me so I wouldn't be surprised if you picked Choice #2. Either way, I've looked at my PM. I've highlighted it on my page, just in case the mod is trying to screw me over somehow.

I don't know what you want from me.

[KuroiXHF]

Ok VOTE: kuroi

If he's not going to check his role again and claim vanilla Townie again or something different, he's scum

lol because you town read me until this point in the game, right?

Get the fuck out of here.

[KuroiXHF]

It says Vanilla Superhero, but as far as the role goes, it's essentially a Vanilla Townie.

[KuroiXHF]

Were you hung up because I didn't use the right terminology?

[KuroiXHF]

UNVOTE:

I'm looking elsewhere for scum right now.

[KuroiXHF]

I can't believe I'm saying this...

But I agree with you.

VOTE: Lilith I'm feeling much more comfortable with this vote than anyone else right now.

[KuroiXHF]

It

is

a VT role. He just used a different name.

[KuroiXHF]

I've heard you, but you're not making sense. Just a moment ago, you crossed out the possibility that VTs exist. Now you're all about it. What's changed?

[KuroiXHF]

UNVOTE:

Lane is your top read.

[KuroiXHF]

Updated Read List:

Strong Town: TelltaleHeart
Lean Town: Clumsy
Null: Soren, Javajoe, Xkfyu, Snarkysnowman
Lean Scum: Lane, Lilith
Strong Scum:

Although I haven't critically examined Clumsy as much as I'd like.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm back. Real short version for catch up:

When I signed up for this game, I assumed it would be role madness. Most games like this are. So I don't see anything wrong with Lillith thinking it was. Kuroi's tone here is weird, but I'm still not willing to put my vote there. Joe Chill is still rubbing me the wrong way, posts are very short and could be simple coasting. I was wondering about his questions in 288 as well though. Where is Soren at? And I wish Snarky would contribute a bit more. I get that this is his usual thing, but it doesn't make it any less annoying.

Want to know why my tone is weird? I'm feeling discouraged, and I don't get that way easily.

I do agree with you, especially about Snarky and Soren.

[KuroiXHF]

That's the most non-committal readlist ever kuroi. Why no read on xk? why no read on javajoe? why scumlean on lilith??

JavaJoe has put out exactly the same amount of posts that I found townie with posts I found scummy... until I've read posts from last night and today. Do I now town read Joe or do I now scum read him? Find out at the bottom of this post!

Updated Read List:

Strong Town: TelltaleHeart
Lean Town: Clumsy
Null: Soren, Javajoe, Xkfyu, Snarkysnowman
Lean Scum: Lane, Lilith
Strong Scum:

Although I haven't critically examined Clumsy as much as I'd like.

Why is Lane still in your scum pile?

Because I haven't forgotten his scummy outbursts and while the way he confirmed me VT role is relieving, if his PM says "Supervillain," it's not such a leap of logic to surmise than he could figure out that townie PMs are "Superhero."

Well.. What you said makes sense; given the meta for role madness, it'd be close to suicide for scum to claim VT. I can't shake off the feeling that kuroi claimed VT deliberately but again.. I can't tell if I'm just confbiasing myself at this point.

Of course I claimed VT deliberately. I didn't fall onto the keyboard and accidentally type, "Vanilla Townie."

I have to agree with Lilith, every upick I have seen everyone has had some kind of power. That being said, I do believe you both on your VT claims. Sticking with my current vote.

Still staying with that vote on me, huh?

Anything I can do to change your mind?

No, nothing you can do. I had to put in more effort in reading your entire ISO, and after doing that I have to say that I think I was wrong and you are town. Going to be reading everyone else's ISO today and see if I can't find some scum.

UNVOTE: xk

I get a strong feeling that this is the appearance of being townie and getting stuff done.

{Kuroi, lane}
{Xk,Lilith, clumsy}
{TTH}
{Snarky}
{Soren}

VOTE: soren

Thoughts after doing a re-read on everyone's ISO.

And this is more or less a read list based on alignment. There are very few scum reads except for those who aren't online enough to move this forward. I see this as a way to gain friends by town reading them. I don't like this read list and I now believe Javajoe is scum.

didnt read the last 5 pages

The hell... Get to it. Why is this not a priority to you?

[KuroiXHF]

After a review of Clumsy, I also find that this fits more with his scum games than his town ones. Town Clumsy is a lot more assertive/aggressive than this.

[KuroiXHF]

It's unlikely, I admit. There's nothing wrong with being suspicious. The way that you just described it to me says that you could be scum thinking long-term.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Javajoe24

And... my unofficial votecount.

Votecount 1.6

KuroiXHF (2) - lilith2013, SnarkySnowman
lane0168 (1) - Clumsy
Javajoe24 (3) - TellTaleHeart, Lane, KuroiXHF
Clumsy (1) - Soren, XKfyu
Soren (1) - Javajoe24

Not voting (0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-05-20 06:55:00) remain until day end

[KuroiXHF]

Jesus. What it should say, is pull your head out of your ass in obviously town

See, this is the overreacting that partly makes me scum read you...

[KuroiXHF]

SirCakez, my picture is better.

If you don't put more cats into these pictures, I'm going to be disappointed in you.

[KuroiXHF]

I know it's UPick and even though I chose a technical "superhero", I've researched more into him and he's a fucking terrible person. lol

[KuroiXHF]

V/LA until the 20th, I will still try to post from time to time.

You might want to replace out if you're not going to commit to this game. I mean, nothing but few posts that are just fluff and now you're taking a week off?

[KuroiXHF]

Because of balancing issues. And replenishing for VT? I am only asking for one other to confirm my theory.

What kind of PRs do scum have?

...what kind of answer are you expecting?

[KuroiXHF]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7880854

And that's one just off the top of my head that I played in.

I get that, but mafia would just hand over answers to you? Or is this a question to the mod? Because I don't think he'll answer it.

[KuroiXHF]

Soren left, the game completely died for four days and Soren's going to return around the same time everything restores?

This is fucking scum if I've ever seen it.

VOTE: SOREN.

(Just kidding. <3)

(Thanks for the cat pics, mod! <3)

[KuroiXHF]

Welcome!

[KuroiXHF]

I don't understand your scum pool formatting. Am I your strongest or weakest scum read?

[KuroiXHF]

I do but I'm on mobile

[KuroiXHF]

By page 3 I want to lynch Kuroi for 55 given the special mechanics that the Mod outlined specifically answer the question for Kuroi. Reads as fake uniformed Town posting. But it’s early.

I'm actually willing to agree. In retrospect, I don't know why I asked that as it's simply one of the easiest known rules of you-pick mafia.

Troubled by Kuroi’s 192, specifically the read on Clumsy and Snarky given neither one was touched in his big catchup post.

There wasn't much to read.

And I don’t buy for an instant that Kuroi is scum-reading Snarky at if 220 is his assessment of Snarky meta. Because Snarky is very much to page 9 doing exactly what Kuroi claims his meta says Town Snarky would do.

I don't think you have any idea what my read on Snarky is, not that I do. Trying to read him is extremely frustrating and it makes me want to lynch him every game because he's always anti-town, but rarely scum. Of course, lynching him every day is a poor decision.

Java couldn’t rolefish harder than at 442 if he tried.

Which brings to issue the "Is he too scummy to be scum?" question. Although I'd bite nearly 100% of the time if that question was posed.

I don't understand your scum pool formatting. Am I your strongest or weakest scum read?

Weakest. Follow the basic math protocols for Greater than signs (>) and equal signs (=).

But if you were my strongest scum read I'd be voting you anyway. So that should have been a tip.

I understand the math protocols, but you could have been talking about same pattern of town to scum, talking about more townie but in scum territory, or you could have been changing the gradient in terms of scumminess, not townieness.

As far as the question goes, I realized that after I posted but couldn't edit it because my phone often acts up.

[KuroiXHF]

I normally don't have this issue. I can play this game just fine, but I tend to have an issue around only a small amount of players. As far as Snarky goes, reads change. Just like how I changed my read on Clumsy when I reread him.

[KuroiXHF]

After a review of Clumsy, I also find that this fits more with his scum games than his town ones. Town Clumsy is a lot more assertive/aggressive than this.

You sure you don't have that backwards?

This isn't my first game with you, Clumsy.

[KuroiXHF]

I didn't call you out for that. If anything, I found you to be lax.

[KuroiXHF]

I understand that, but I now have a meta of you. Now I believe that meta is only a tool so there's only so much weight on it, but there's a discernible difference between town you and scum you, and I'm treating it as such.

[KuroiXHF]

MoI, Per your request, I looked at both Clumsy and Joe and neither of them really scum hunted. They asked some questions, sure. But they're also currently my two biggest scum reads. Clumsy is at least putting up a defense, so I'm sticking with my vote. If need be, I will change and will hammer but I like where it is.

Are you Clumsy’s partner who went for some early distancing and now is worried he might get lynched?

I don't like this question. This kind of goes into the whole, "What kind of answer were you expecting?"

[KuroiXHF]

I could take the leap of faith and lynch Clumsy, but I still think there's a good chance Javajoe is scum and I think that lynch is a lot more attainable in the current gamestate.

In this environment I don't really think much is getting done and we're quickly approaching the "need a flip" point.

I understand where you are coming from. I have a stronger feel for Clumsy which is why I'm pushing him. Java is my next highest read but Xk's recent posting is making me think Clumsy partner in which case I don't see Java as a better option.

Deadline is coming so I'm not adverse to Java. But I'd like Clumsy more.

I'm kind of the same way, but in inverse. So, why? I get you find Java scummy and Clumsy scummy but why is Clumsy scummier?

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry guys, I can't do this today and I'm about to get on a plane. I'll be back in like 24 hours at most.

24 hours? Are you flying to China?

[KuroiXHF]

So it seems I am getting lynched today by general consensus, so I will go ahead and claim that I am a town Neighbor. I won't out my partner right now until they tell me in the neighborhood if they are ok with it. Now you know and can deliberate.

I don't like you claim day one this early, especially since you're not near lynch. Also, if this is day one, how do you have any neighbors?

[KuroiXHF]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer

This shows one, unless this is a variant of some kind.

[KuroiXHF]

Alright. Well if that's the case, it's confirmable. I feel comfortable enough to change my vote.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Clumsy

[KuroiXHF]

If you're scum, you only have one other person who could confirm you - other scum. I'm not banking on you risking both of you unless you're town. I don't see you as the ballsy type. Either way, I see Clumsy approximately around as scummy as you so we can go to the "Javajoe24 scum topic" later on if it deems necessary.

[KuroiXHF]

Eh, you're right. Plus, I could totally buy a scum neighborizer in the DC Universe.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Javajoe

[KuroiXHF]

Plus, it's Lilith.

LOL.

[KuroiXHF]

......... What's me?

Joe's

scum

neighborhood partner.

I could definitely buy one of the two being scum, but definitely not both. If Joe is scum, even if he knew Lilith was scum, he wouldn't associate himself with Lilith that closely. No way.

[KuroiXHF]

This is a mobile post.

I am completely aware that the role is not alignment indicative. However since he had a way to confirm it, I would believe him for that point. I however did not know that town could be a starting neighbor to scum. When I found that out, I realized that Joe's claim did nothing for me. So it's not about the claim that did it for me before, it was the ability to confirm and not knowing about the role crossing alignment borders.

[KuroiXHF]

You guys are making a mistake lynching me, but I can't blame you, would do the same thing if roles were reversed. See you on earth 2

The only way this could be more scum is if he signed a confession and I didn't see police beating it out of him.

My vote's not changing today. Not at all.

[KuroiXHF]

So, I was right about Lilith being his neighbor (at least I was right about something).

It would probably be easy to figure out if I looked back and searched. But good job!

Now, quick question. If Joe flips as a scum neighbor, does that make Lilith confirmed town?

No.

He meant I didn't post re: outing myself, but I was expecting him to post because he said he was going to check with me????

Anyway yeah I'm in the neighborhood.

Do you think Joe is town?

[KuroiXHF]

On another note, I thought Joe kept saying moi as in the French word for "me."

At least now I know you're not a jack ass in real life, lol. <3

[KuroiXHF]

Leaving, sorry.

You're replacing out?

[KuroiXHF]

Leaving, sorry.

You're replacing out?

I'm pretty sure she means just leaving the thread. She is on vacation.

Ah. Thanks for clarifying.

[KuroiXHF]

It doesn't really matter since any character can be scum or not.

[KuroiXHF]

[KuroiXHF]

What is it with you and Spiderman lol

...you're right. I'll stop and go to a real DC character.



But wait! Why not... BOTH?

[KuroiXHF]

Mod: V/LA from Friday 11 PM to Monday evening.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm guessing Xkfyu is still alive in Earth One?

I'm really curious how Earth Two will be.

BTW, RVS time!

VOTE: Lane
Because Spiderman does what he wants.

[KuroiXHF]

[KuroiXHF]

Let's start by having everyone say if they're the same alignment or not

You're right.

I'm scu-

...HEYO! Almost got me there!

[KuroiXHF]

Fish, please.

[KuroiXHF]

Are you saying you are third party clumsy?

If you're actually scum this game, I swear to god...

[KuroiXHF]

My point was, for some reason, JavaJoe nearly always appears scummy. We know for a fact that Earth One, he's town and I feel people will lay off him a bit now knowing he's at least inherently kind of scummy. Meaning if he's scum now, he has an advantage.

[KuroiXHF]

So Sircakez. Do you have any leads on who scum may be?

[KuroiXHF]

Actually, I agree.

[KuroiXHF]

MagnaofIllusion
has been killed Night 1

User avatar
Joined: February 09, 2010
Location: Heading unstoppably to Osaka ...
Pronoun: He
-
How come this is past Night One and yet you're still alive?

[KuroiXHF]

How come this is past Night One and yet you're still alive?

Don't know.

Why didn't you choose to Nightkill me?

I feel like you get asked this question a lot.
I feel like I get asked this question a lot.

[KuroiXHF]

Hmmm. I'm sure this changes something, although I'm not sure how.

[KuroiXHF]

I feel like that's a valid point, but why aren't you voting him?

[KuroiXHF]

My mistake. You are. Sorry, I assumed your vote was an RVS one.

[KuroiXHF]

This as as minor as they are and I'm sure it can change considering how early it is on essentially, a different day one...

VOTE: MoI

[KuroiXHF]

This is going to be an interesting game. I'm really curious how this goes.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't like your vote on MoI, especially the "I was expecting someone else to acknowledge it." Just saying.

I'm also not 100% sure that we're having our Earth 1 mindset on Earth 2, although that could possibly mean you're town here and scum on Earth One.

[KuroiXHF]

Mod: Are you aware of previous games with this whole, "Earth One" "Earth Two" play style?

Also, you'd tell me who was scum. You said that you'd PM it to me, but you must have forgotten. Want to send it to me again, please?

[KuroiXHF]

My guess is that they're choosing smart and is willing to put two and two together very well. Xkfyu was pretty good yesterday, which would make MoI a good fit at killing Xkfyu. I'd nearly expect scum of less experienced people to kill me as I'd suspect people coasting by and less active.

Part of me also feels Lilith would bus MoI.

It is early and possibly premature, but my first guess of Earth Two scum is Lilith and MoI.

Preview Edit: Lane, I find it that you saying "I didn't want to say it, but I did notice it" to be forced. It seemed like something you would deliberately say in order to sound townie.

Preview Edit: No, Mod. You misunderstood my question. I'm saying are there other games (Not Micro 609) that uses the same setup of different and parallel games within the same game?

[KuroiXHF]

The point about MoI that Lilith said. If you saw it and you found it creepy, you should have said it. That's town's job.

[KuroiXHF]

OK. I get a good feeling that Clumsy is town here. It's too early to do a complete reads list but I'd venture to say leans town.

SirCakez, you wouldn't be able to link us to that, would you?

[KuroiXHF]

UNVOTE:

I'm not comfortable with a lynch this quickly

Fixed unvote tag

[KuroiXHF]

Hey guys. I'll catch up and respond tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

My guess is that they're choosing smart and is willing to put two and two together very well. Xkfyu was pretty good yesterday, which would make MoI a good fit at killing Xkfyu. I'd nearly expect scum of less experienced people to kill me as I'd suspect people coasting by and less active.

Can you explain this again?

I'm saying Xkfyu was a great asset to town. Why would you vote me for something you misunderstood?

Why didn't you just say "Im town in both" or something like that? Why didn't magna just say something like that? Why did he go so I'm depth about why its such a terrible question. My logic may be flawed, but it's good enough for me as of now. Because I don't see why town in both wouldn't say anything other than "hell yeah I'm town in both" and that response doesn't make them town in both either, cause scum can say that. But I'd expect that to be the only town answer

...I don't understand this. You're splitting hairs.

[KuroiXHF]

So you're voting me because of a characteristic about your player style that I may or may not know. How does this make any more sense?

[KuroiXHF]

'kay

[KuroiXHF]

He was a good player. He was thoughtful and pretty obvious town toward the end of the day.

[KuroiXHF]

Half this game is on v/la. This is ridiculous.

[KuroiXHF]

In Earth One, right?

[KuroiXHF]

Okay.

Why do you think Lane is town?

[KuroiXHF]

I'll analyze tomorrow, but I've learned from recent experience not to consider someone scum because they act too scummy.

[KuroiXHF]

Here are my thoughts.

- I think the speed-lynch on MoI is ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as he thinks. Lilith brought up a good point. I felt it was enough for a vote, but not enough for a lynch. That's why I backed out.
- I find Clumsy to be obvious scum on Earth One and Telltale to be obvious town on Earth One. Switch those, and that's Earth Two. (Except I wouldn't call Telltale obvious scum. He's definitely lean scum, though.)
- Lane I'm waffling on. He's probably town on Earth One, but definitely not Earth Two.
- Lilith I kind of want to vote, but it's giving me worries that I'm scum reading everyone.
- MoI should have been voted for not producing his usual insight, but not for existing. Not on essentially Day One of Earth Two.

[KuroiXHF]

Also I forgot there was another reason I voted you before and I still kind of want to vote you for it but I want to look at it again first.

Must I ISO everyone here?

- MoI should have been voted for not producing his usual insight, but not for existing. Not on essentially Day One of Earth Two.

What insight are you expecting again?

It's really more consistency - the consistency of your insight.

I’d really like you to explain that in some detail given your vote on me said the following –

This as as minor as they are and I'm sure it can change

considering how early it is on essentially, a different day one...

VOTE: MoI

I meant to say minor as they come, as in this is the most minor thing I could find that would warrant a lynch, and the bar isn't high for a vote on Day ones even though it's a different Day One - a day one on Earth Two.

[KuroiXHF]

None of this is helpful. I'll do an extensive readthrough of each player before the end of tonight.

[KuroiXHF]

I will start by discussing Earth Two. I'll possibly discuss Earth One Clumsy and Earth Two Clumsy at another time. For right now, I've promised an extensive read list.
To reiterate, this only covers Earth Two - starting at 699

lilith2013:
745 Second time I've read this post. I liked it the first time I've read it. I still don't dislike it. It sounds fair to ask and while it may be throwing shade, I can see town asking that.
780 Coming by this again, I

really

don't like this. Then she voted me again the day after. If she really thought MoI was scum, she should have stayed by that. Then she voted me. Then she said this was a joke. ...This collection of posts just brought her into scum territory.
- Slight gut town feeling, although it's hard to feel this way when everything she says and does makes me want to vote her.
- 830 Good question coming from Lilith. Good enough to put her back to null.
- Most of Page 34 with MoI appear to be TvT.

MagnaOfIllusion:
720 Going through again, I actually really liked this post.
832 Enjoyable and strong comeback post.
- Most of Page 34 with Lilith seems to be TvT

Clumsy:
- General rule. Clumsy is speaking with all of us in a very fluid and natural motion. Gut feeling he's town.
- 769 This is the first post I didn't like and I just noticed it now. The vibe I'm getting from, "I'm not sure how I feel about this, but I'll get back to you" doesn't feel genuine.
- He delivers a wall on 771. It looks like a lost, but appears to be some fluff. My gut still says town, but no longer strong town. More like lean town.
- Agree with 793. Lane's logic is flawed.
- 834 If you're going to make such a statement and declare someone town, backing your case with, "gut" is weak support.

lane0168:
701 This post came off as awkward. I see this as a joke and I'd find it awkward for Lane to come off attacking me without knowing a single thing about my Earth Two play style, but I still found it kind of awkward. I dismissed it as RVS.
706 This is where I took a hard stance on if I liked something or not, and I didn't. I didn't like Lane's suggestion that we decided if we were the same alignment. The only possible way someone would say something was if Javajoe was lynched Earth One as scum and is alive on Earth Two. The other idea would be if Lane thought we were idiots, and I'd be offended on a personal level.
714 Almost makes me want to take what I said before. It would either go back to "Does he really think people will fall for this?" or "Does he not really know why he'd do that."
756 I do not like his reasoning for voting MoI.

Javajoe24:
- General gut feeling of town.
812 - I hope this is a prod dodge, because this post just seems kind of useless, shouting, "HEY SCUM! I'M A POWER ROLE!"


TellTaleHeart
717 And here we have riddles for posts. I don't town read it like I did before, especially since he didn't post much after this. Actually, why isn't he prodded?
736 Naked vote. No reason. No background. No indication. Nothing.
785 Usually, a v/la means you'd offer less content, not stagnate the amount.

SnarkySnowman:
713 - I was actually pinged by Snowman's laziness at an RVS. It's not everyday that these posts ping me, but they do.
762 - Shortly is actually quite a long time, eh? At least if he calls my penis short, it may not be so bad.
787 - Useless. This reeks of coasting.
820 - Thanks for telling us how this game works. We know. Want to... uhhh... y'know... be useful?

Read List:
Strong Town: MoI
Lean Town: JavaJoe, Clumsy
Null: Lilith
Lean Scum: Lane, TTH
Strong Scum: Snowman

Back to Clumsy - I know I've not mentioned Earth One in this post, but I'm sure I've posted well enough on Earth One's Day One why I scum read you. Do you think I've sufficiently proved why I town read you now?

[KuroiXHF]

Oh, and VOTE: Snarky Snowman

He's sketchy as fuck, even more useless than Earth One and only exists to defend himself - he's even doing that half-assed. He's not catching scum. He has no reason even being in this game.

[KuroiXHF]

New term I've heard while playing on MafiaScum: Beetlejuice: They only appear once you say their name.

Want to add anything else other than LOL? You're not even defending yourself.

To be honest, I'd replace out.

[KuroiXHF]

And there's a OMGYS vote.

There are no specific mentions to my readlist.

Snowman, you have a chance to redeem yourself. What are your reads? Mark specific posts. Spend some time and actually think about it.

[KuroiXHF]

...this isn't your full read, right? You're still posting more tomorrow?

[KuroiXHF]

As I've stated in the read list that I have a gut feeling that you're town, but I dislike a lot of what you've written. I'll be honest, I'd really like to abstain from giving my opinion on Snarky on Earth One until we get back there. He's the kind of guy I always want to lynch, but a bit less so there.

Lane, sorry to see you go. Take care of yourself.

Replying to Snowman:
- Lilith, how is it forced?
- MoI, I speak more about something as I don't like it than I do... although I could easily say the same about you. "Not a lot of content from someone who claims to be town."
- Clumsy, how is that bullshit?
- Joe, he didn't post a lot. What more do you want from me?

Snowman, then it's not shortly, is it?
Eh is not a good excuse.
You're still not being useful.

If you disagree, want to set up with a read list of your own?

[KuroiXHF]

It's not a scum tell to not be 100% sure about someone.

[KuroiXHF]

Ranger, give your complete read list and the entire map of who scum is in both Earths in the next five minutes or you're scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Why isn't my read list good?

I think my read list is very good.

[KuroiXHF]

Why isn't my read list good?

I think my read list is very good.

Sweetie, it just isn't.

MoI, Clumsy, lane, and I don't belong in the tiers we're in.

That's not helpful at all. If I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I can't make it better. But I think I'm actually doing it pretty well. You're the only one giving it crap, other than SnarkySnowman, but his opinion isn't worth considering.

Lilith, you appear to be online. Thoughts?

[KuroiXHF]

Are you asking me for thoughts on your list itself, or thoughts on TTH's response to it?

I was originally going to ask about the read list, but if you have thoughts on TTH's response, I'm sure that wouldn't hurt, either.

[KuroiXHF]

I have a lot to respond to. I'll get to that later.

[KuroiXHF]

Wow Kuroi made an effort post. Where the hell was that on Earth1?

This says quite a bit about my play style, but I'm fueled by motivation. Plus, I was so sure about Lane for most of it.

I disagree with some of the reads (Clumsy is getting too much Town credit for reasons I’m about to disclose,

My reads change all the time. If Clumsy is scum, I'll catch it and knock him down a couple of notches. Do you find Clumsy down to scum category, down to lynch territory?

Setting aside that “Why are you Alive” is a crappy argument in and of itself – the fact that “Why is Magna Alive” was even jokingly floated as a reason to vote me is scummy.

In premise I agree with you, but in practice, I think it's actually valid. My first non-newbie game here, ClownTardis Mafia, I was one alive for the last day period and I was the only one who was clear. There was one player that was clearly out of place and the only reason was that he was too good to be there with the rest of us, only moderately good players. I told myself that I shouldn't vote based on that reason. I went against my instincts, led the charge against a different player and lost town for us. I've been kicking myself in the ass ever since.

Nobody has blinked at this flip other than to remark “Huh, Xk died”. Read his role again – Body Double. This isn’t what I’d call standard terminology for MS but that flip to me reads pretty clearly as a Bodyguard. I mean that’s exactly what a Body Double is … someone you stands in for someone else.

That doesn't make sense to me. The only way that would make sense is if Xk was allowed to use your account information and was basically him using your account login - which is against the rules and non-feasible as a method.

And not a single one of you even put any effort into parsing that flip.

You're right. I should have asked more about that. I kind of figured since he's dead there's no use in figuring it out. He's not alive to use it, but you're right.

It is why Clumsy getting Town cred for his “decipher the Earth1 reasons why Xk was killed” post is unwarranted – it is predicated on Xk being directly killed as opposed to taking a bullet for someone else.

That sounds like a reach.

@Lilith and Kuroi

– why didn’t you think more clearly about Xk’s flip?

Already explained. If he's dead, he couldn't use his ability. Would you spend time asking everyone if "Player X died. He was a Town Doodader"? Sure, I'd be curious but I'm not sure if I'd really ask.

Again: what about the back-and-forth between MoI and me makes you think it's TvT?

It's TvSomething. If you forced a gun to my head and made me choose, I'd guess TvT, but I'm not so confident about you.

I did say my vote was only half-serious, and everyone seems to have the impression that I was actually pushing for a lynch, when all I was trying to do was produce some discussion to get the game back going. My unvote was because with him VLA, the pressure on him wouldn't even achieve anything, and I can always come back and vote him when he is around to respond to pressure.

If you are telling me the truth, your timing was horrendous, almost to the point of deserving a vote or two.

What about 830 is good/towny to you?

It's an observation of a drastic change in behavior. That's always a townie sign.

Why am I null if the argument was a TvT?

Because more happened than just the argument today?

I'm actually going to agree with (Snarky?). The strength of your Magna read seems to be based on little, given how few lines you've devoted to his ISO.

I've already explained that, but okay.

The way you talk about him in points 2, 3, and 5 sounds like you're leaning scum on him but then you somehow end up with a townlean?? You call him ungenuine and say his argument is weak and his posts are fluffy but somehow that adds up to town. Which confuses me.

As I've said before, Clumsy's words are making me feel like he's scum, but his words make me feel enough. He's closer to null than strong town. I have to compromise. His reads may change, but it's where it is right now.

Not really much to say about this. Lane hasn't been obvtowning for me like he usually does but then neither has he done anything outrageously scummy. Why don't you like his reasons for his MoI vote?

I didn't like it when he said "I was expecting someone else to acknowledge it." I said that the post after he did it. It's damn near confessing to being scum and it makes me rethink if I should vote him or not. When he admits that he saw something scummy but didn't act on it, he admits to trying to blend in so he won't set off red flags.

I think you've used "gut" for half of your reads.

You should use gut for all your reads. Instinct is a good tool to have to find scum, brah. Why don't you use it?

Can you explain this last one? It seems a little pointless to say this?

What I mean is when I'm posting and contributing to the game and then a v/la comes up, my level of contribution goes down. When TTH did it, it stayed the same... because he contributed nothing when he posted.

[KuroiXHF]

Clumsy:
- General rule. Clumsy is speaking with all of us in a very fluid and natural motion. Gut feeling he's town.
- 769 This is the first post I didn't like and I just noticed it now. The vibe I'm getting from, "I'm not sure how I feel about this, but I'll get back to you" doesn't feel genuine.
- He delivers a wall on 771. It looks like a lost, but appears to be some fluff. My gut still says town, but no longer strong town. More like lean town.
- Agree with 793. Lane's logic is flawed.
- 834 If you're going to make such a statement and declare someone town, backing your case with, "gut" is weak support.

Couple things here. You're being hypocritical with the "gut" thing. Firstly, my townread on Lane was not a strong townread, it was a townlean on early Day 1 (part 2). I pushed discussion though, because we had nothing going on. Also, you say you have a gut feeling with me as town. Now, this is different than my slight townlean on Lane, because in the line 2 down from it, you say it was a strong town read. You say that "gut" is a weak support to declare someone town with, and then you do that exact thing yourself.

I'm not defending myself. Gut is a good tool to decide if we're judging scum, but not so great when someone says, "Why did you do that?" In that case, you're just saying, "I have a good excuse by claiming gut reaction."

Oh and while I'm posting,

Mod, I'm going to take a V/LA from tomorrow to Sunday. I hope to come on from time to time but I can't make any promises.

[KuroiXHF]

If he's null, worry about him another day, unless your read on him goes down to lynch territory.

Secondly, I'm not going to lynch you, so worry about that another day.

Thirdly, I'm saying that the way that you explain Xk's role makes no sense to me. The only way it makes sense in my head is against the rules because it would require Xk using someone else's account login.

[KuroiXHF]

Earth Two begins 699

[KuroiXHF]

Ranger, give your complete read list and the entire map of who scum is in both Earths in the next five minutes or you're scum.

I put in the request the moment I saw it, but by the time I saw it, SirCakez was already offline, meaning he didn't send me my role until after I had already logged off for the night. I'm here now of course, but it'll take me longer than five minutes to read 38 pages. (Well, 40, really. I'm reading 36-38 right now because I replaced in on page 36, and will then start from the beginning and read the entire through including rereading those two pages with the context of the earlier pages.)

I swore that was an obvious joke.

I'm already not liking this slot.

[KuroiXHF]

Earth One me is offended by this.
However, Earth TWO me...


...is also offended.

[KuroiXHF]

I know I should be in bed, but Ranger - can you clarify how my play in Earth 1 differs from my play in Earth 2? I can't tell.

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry guys. I swore I posted my notice of v/la. I had my wedding. I am here. I'll hopefully post by tonight. If not then, definitely tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry guys. I swore I posted my notice of v/la. I had my wedding. I am here. I'll hopefully post by tonight. If not then, definitely tomorrow.

Congrats on tying the knot, have a good honeymoon!

Thank you, but the honeymoon isn't until July 1st. I'm actually stopping on my signing up for games because I don't want to have another V/LA for a week.

[KuroiXHF]

So I'll do a much more thorough read tomorrow but a big issue that I realize and just now is the fact that Ranger is examining both world and I have no idea how he is on Earth One. We can read him Earth Two and there's nothing we can do about him on the other Earth, but we only know a little about him.

I tend to almost-always town read Ranger, but I feel he scum read me in the beginning because I was on Lane's ass.

[KuroiXHF]

In hindsight knowing the Lilith is a neighbor,

You don't know Lilith is a neighbor. You know that Lilith claimed to be a Ranger.

Also, let me make sure I have this right. Ranger thinks you're scum on Earth-One, and you think she's scum on Earth-Two, right? Ranger, what makes you think Magna is town on Earth-Two exactly?

Not completely accurate. I think Ranger is scum on one Earth at least. Not sorted as of yet which (or both).

As an addendum to my previous post, I agree. I'm sure that Ranger received her role for BOTH Earths and I can totally see her read Earth One with a scum mindset.

[KuroiXHF]

(Note: I'm not done with my reads. I am, however, done for tonight. Night, folks.)

[KuroiXHF]

SnarkySnowman is lying. I'm gladiator.

I don't think there's one this Earth? Do you?

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Fine.

[KuroiXHF]

I've already stated my case on you and I find your activity only in the case of defense scummy.

[KuroiXHF]

I'll actually ask you to look at what you just said. You also barely spoke in other games too, although I'd warn you that being scummy in every other game is not a good defense in being scummy this game.

[KuroiXHF]

Now that I'm going back to work today, my activity level will spike. I promise.

Snarky using gladiator on me because I counterclaimed him is crap. I said that I am a gladiator then asked how people thought if there could be more than one. So the position that Snarky put us in is TvT, except that gladiator isn't strictly a town role:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

As far as the asking to replace out, I've asked the same to Soren who put out a comparable level of activity. I've also noted in other games that he doesn't scum hunt.

[KuroiXHF]

You realize you contradict yourself pretty hard by saying this is TvT, then saying gladiator is not strictly a town role, and also having me as your top scum read at one point, right?

That's why I used the word, "Except." It's a useful word and an important one to notice.

So the reason for fakeclaiming VT was...

I claimed VT in Earth One, not Earth Two.

[KuroiXHF]

I was wanting to lynch Snowman pretty badly before all of this, but Kuroi has been doing some really strange things.

Like what?

In fact, Kuroi, why did you not use your gladiate when Snarky claimed his if you didn't believe he was gladiator?

Because I'm a one-shot and I didn't want to use it if he was going to die anyway. He was L-1.

And again: "I don't think there's one this Earth? Do you?" What does this mean? Because it's looking like you know something we don't.

That means that I didn't think there were more than one gladiators this Earth. I guess there are, but I don't think there are more than one town-based ones.

[KuroiXHF]

Now that I'm going back to work today, my activity level will spike. I promise.

Snarky using gladiator on me because I counterclaimed him is crap. I said that I am a gladiator then asked how people thought if there could be more than one. So the position that Snarky put us in is TvT, except that gladiator isn't strictly a town role:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

As far as the asking to replace out, I've asked the same to Soren who put out a comparable level of activity. I've also noted in other games that he doesn't scum hunt.

SnarkySnowman is lying. I'm gladiator.

I don't think there's one this Earth? Do you?

I feel like you're trying to back out of this now. You outright said that he's lying about being a gladiator. So that means that you thought it was a fake claim. Which is something only scum should do (unless very particular circumstances that don't matter here). So why are you calling it a TvT? Shouldn't you think that he's scum? If you thought he was town, would you still 'counter claim'? This doesn't make sense to me at all, and then calling it a TvT seems like you're pushing for a possible no lynch to get out of this today.

I also really like Snowman's 995. But what really does it for me is my point above. This should not be TvT to you. You counterclaimed for a reason. You were a major pusher for Snarky's lynch. You pushed the lynch here telling us he was scum. Now you call it town. I think I made my decision.

VOTE: KuroiXHF

I've already explained the TvT. Please pay attention.

And why do you think only scum would call another claim as lying? I'm gladiator so seeing another gladiator game in a micro game sounds like BS.

[KuroiXHF]

Well obviously there are two gladiators. Assuming I live through today, I'll prove my powers next Earth Two.

[KuroiXHF]

Okay, that is to say, implying you do think there are more than one town-based gladiators now? You went saying that TvT thing again, I surmise.

I'm saying there is ONE town-based gladiator. There is probably a scum-based gladiator. And no, I didn't say this is TvT.

You essentially said "Now Snarky put us in a TvT gladiate, except not necessarily". O.o

Right - except that it makes no sense. In a full length mafia game, fine. Maybe. But in a micro game? With 9 people?

I do think that if there are 2 gladiators, one being scum makes more sense than 0. But this isn't really helping you here. If you flip town, I think we should look into Snowman more. If Snowman flips town, then you.

What are your thoughts if I gladiate Snowman tomorrow?

[KuroiXHF]

I claimed VT in Earth One, not Earth Two.

SnarkySnowman is lying. I'm gladiator.

I don't think there's one this Earth? Do you?

I read "I don't think there's one

this

Earth" as a claim for the other Earth. @_@

How would it make sense for me to claim on Earth One on Earth Two when I already claimed on Earth One?

And you think this is a ploy?

[KuroiXHF]

If I die, I want you to know that I highly suspect TTH as scum on Earth Two.

[KuroiXHF]

Right. It's not too late to vote Snarky, especially since there's no case on me and he was L-1 the other day.

[KuroiXHF]

Don't worry. You could have made a worse decision - like lynching me.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm so glad to be back. Wonder if Xkfyu forgot about us.

BTW, that Ranger lynch was stupid... and I have no clue why they killed me last night.

ANYWAYS - BACK TO EARTH ONE.

Which means I'm going back to my Earth One next scummiest vote.

VOTE: Clumsy

[KuroiXHF]

*ahem* Other players. We're kind of... back to day phase and back to Earth One.

[KuroiXHF]

So what's this case on Magna?

And BTW, do you have any knowledge of where he is?

[KuroiXHF]

I'll get to the full post tomorrow, but with eleven days remaining, there's sure as hell no reason I need to hammer anything.

[KuroiXHF]

Lilith, is Ranger scum this Earth?

[KuroiXHF]

This doesn't help me, Magna. You weren't so vindictive and frustrated on the first Day One.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm saying you're getting to be a bit scummy.

[KuroiXHF]

I'll keep my vote where it is, but I want to speak with Lilith first.

[KuroiXHF]

Mod: V/LA for today, and all Wednesdays in July.

Means no posting from me until tomorrow.

This is a weird flavor.

Which super hero would choose not to fight crime on all Wednesdays in July? I can only think of maybe Captain America, but that's Marvel.

Is there a DC version of Captain America?

[KuroiXHF]

Well then...