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Joe killed Batman's parents.
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Meh, don't really like this. I don't think it's a great reason, but meh, it's early Day 1.In post 26, KuroiXHF wrote:More because of his interest in sheeping.
If you're here to be a mindless zombie, this isn't the game for you. Plus, it's anti-town. I mean, this is day one and I'm sure it will change, but I already don't like his posting.
In post 28, KuroiXHF wrote:I feel that. I'm extremely excited about my character. Just check the web. (I'm Spiderman)
I didn't think so, not a bit. It was pretty obvious from the sample role PM. Why are people not reading the rules?In post 37, KuroiXHF wrote:1 Post #1. Did you not see him? It's Spiderman. Spiderman. Does whatever a mother fucking spider can.
Can he swing from a web?
Fuck yeah, he can.
And I can hear the humiliation in your heart, because you're realizing how stupid you insisting I'm a liar is.
Everyone else, do you think I was really trying to pass off as Spiderman?
To be fair, that's pretty much how I read it.In post 40, lane0168 wrote:Oh stop. Sheeping whoever is doing their work? It was an RVS vote. I should've just said "I can't tell if I love that pun, or hate it"
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In post 43, lilith2013 wrote:Kuroi's new avatar is throwing me off.
Same. I keep getting Kuroi and Lane mixed up, which is making this exchange hard to interpret.
Praise be unto him.In post 49, KuroiXHF wrote:
That was for Kain TEPES!!!!!!!!In post 47, lilith2013 wrote:
What happened to dancing Miltank?In post 44, KuroiXHF wrote:
I'd change it to Spiderman, but I'm afraid of being lynched.In post 43, lilith2013 wrote:Kuroi's new avatar is throwing me off.
God bless his udder.
Interesting, I may not have thought of it like that. Why Lane over Kuroi here though? Just because that's where your vote already was?In post 54, TellTaleHeart wrote:I'm getting a little bit of a scum theater vibe here. I'm alright with my vote where it is.
I... Don't follow this at all. Just... wat?In post 64, lane0168 wrote:Except you forgot the most important part. You think I'm upset about the lie. Which would only be a town mindset. Scum wouldn't give a shit cause they already know they're throwing out bs. So how can you think I'm upset about that, and still think I'm scum? Because you're scum full of crap-
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Just to let you guys know, I'll be mostly away for the next few days. Spending Mother's day with my mom today, as I work tomorrow (at a restaurant, on Mother's Day. Pray I make it back alive). I also work all day Monday. I will pop in when I can though, and it should be back to normal starting Tuesday.-
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In post 29, lane0168 wrote:
I'll be a mindless zombie if I want and I don't appreciate you discriminating. You bigot. Everyone has a right to play the game how they want to. You're not the boss here. You need more love and acceptance in your heart.In post 26, KuroiXHF wrote:More because of his interest in sheeping.
If you're here to be a mindless zombie, this isn't the game for you. Plus, it's anti-town. I mean, this is day one and I'm sure it will change, but I already don't like his posting.In post 33, lane0168 wrote:Omgus? You just claimed a character from the marvel universe. Considering this is a DC UNIVERSE GAME. I'm going to call you a total liar
This all felt over the top for this early in day 1. Originally I felt like this was TvS, but the suggestion of Scum Theater is looking applicable too. Lane, Kuroi, do you guys have a history of getting under the other's skin? Where did this come from so suddenly? I can understand a little frustration, but this seems over the top for me.In post 35, lane0168 wrote:Overreacting to sometime lying about their role? And getting pussy? Now you're just flinging shit and trying to make it stick. Good for you if it does
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Who are your scummiest players? Why are you more concerned with who he thinks it's scummy than who you think is scummy?In post 82, Javajoe24 wrote:If you have changed your mind about lane being scummy then who would be your next scummiest player?
I feel like this is diverting attention away from the theater, especially since this is after TellTaleHeart's post about it, but it could be a valid concern. Sheeping/just going on other people's reads this early is not a great thing to be doing. I think some more interaction with the board will help me figure this early day debacle out.-
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Why are you ignoring this Snowman? Also, is this normal posting behavior for him? I don't really know anyone here except Kuroi.In post 112, lilith2013 wrote:
Also.... Ew??In post 104, SnarkySnowman wrote:TvT
What makes you so sure it is TvT?
VOTE: XkfyuIn post 121, Xkfyu wrote:Reads list:
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Lilith
Snarky
lane
Kuroi
Null:
Clumsy
TTH
Scum:
Javajoe (but not with Soren)
Soren (but not with Javajoe)
Those are in no particular order, and mostly based on gut, right now. So, come on, let's do this.
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Could you explain this?
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Cool, I never know which people actually have them. I'll look into it. I know some people just have a distinctive posting style. (Praise his udders)-
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I'd choose Lane over Kuroi here. Lane's posts seem less genuine to me.In post 158, Xkfyu wrote: If you had to choose one of them to be scum, which one would it be?-
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1. Fair, I suppose.In post 145, Xkfyu wrote: Lilith is a straight up gut read.
Snarky only made 3 posts when he came into the thread, but he didn't vote anyone, even though he was the only person without a vote in place. That doesn't sound like "scum trying to stay under the radar "to me.
And I think the Lane vs Kuroi thing is TvT because early D1 arguments like that usually are, since scum don't usually want to bring undue attention on themselves. Especially not so early.
B. What do you think scum would do here?
Thirdly: Meh, I don't think I buy into it completely. As soon as something becomes an obv town tell, scum will start to do it to be obv town. Such black and white views can be dangerous. But if that's your thought process, that's your thought process.-
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If there's one thing I've learned from all of my games of Mafia on this site, it's one thing.In post 169, Soren wrote:Clumsy goes back into the game without respond to my vote on him and makes the same kind of post.
136 and 137 are just questions and doesn't tell me much about how he thinks about the game. He did vote for Xkfyu but that doesn't change my thoughts on clumsy. I'm sticking with my vote.
I suck at Day 1.
I'm trying to get a hold on the game and the people here, it seems like a lot of you know of each other at the least. If you want my thoughts, I like TTH for town, I like Lane and Xkfyu for scum. I don't really know what to do with Snowman. Have yet to go reading through games. Not really liking Joe's posts so far. Kuroi's early game was... interesting, but I think I'm leaning towards either scum theater or town? Mark me down as unsure. Whereas, I like Lane for scum either for scum theater or just solo. Pretty much everyone else is middle ground.
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Soren wrote:136 and 137 are just questions and doesn't tell me much about how he thinks about the game.In post 103, Soren wrote:SnarkySnowman thoughts on kuroi vs lane?In post 105, Soren wrote:Elaborate pleaseIn post 109, Soren wrote:Why?
Most of your posts are questions without much telling about you either. You get into it more later with posts, but that was very recent. I think your reasons for scumreading me are silly. Where are your thoughts on the rest of the game? Anything about Kuroi or Lane? There's been no followup there after your questions, and you seem fixated on me (and to a lesser extent, Xkfyu). Why are you shying away from the elephants?In post 117, Soren wrote:
Hope to see those reads soon.In post 113, KuroiXHF wrote:I'm relatively confident in Lane being scum. (Considering it's still very early on day one.) I'll do some more reads tonight.You seem very unmotivated in this game, why?
What about kuroi do you agree with?-
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In post 182, Xkfyu wrote:
Cast a vote on someone.In post 181, Clumsy wrote:B. What do you think scum would do here?
You say that as if I have cleared them as town in my mind, and that's not what has happened. If I see something from either of them down the road that makes me think they are scum, then I'm certainly not going to let this early town read get in the way of it. For now though, I see no reason why they aren't town for it.In post 181, Clumsy wrote:Thirdly: Meh, I don't think I buy into it completely. As soon as something becomes an obv town tell, scum will start to do it to be obv town. Such black and white views can be dangerous. But if that's your thought process, that's your thought process.
Oh no, I don't think you've completely cleared them. Maybe shouldn't have used obv town, just town. Meh. Basically, I'm saying I'm disagreeing with you, but I see your side.
UNVOTE: Xkfyu
VOTE: Lillith
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Because I'm more or less satisfied with your response. I'm still looking your way, but I'm somewhat... appeased? Ugh, I'm having trouble articulating today. Your reasoning makes enough sense for now.In post 185, Xkfyu wrote:
The bold part sounds like you think my thought process is genuine. But, why would you say something like this to someone you were legitimately scum reading?In post 181, Clumsy wrote:
1. Fair, I suppose.In post 145, Xkfyu wrote: Lilith is a straight up gut read.
Snarky only made 3 posts when he came into the thread, but he didn't vote anyone, even though he was the only person without a vote in place. That doesn't sound like "scum trying to stay under the radar "to me.
And I think the Lane vs Kuroi thing is TvT because early D1 arguments like that usually are, since scum don't usually want to bring undue attention on themselves. Especially not so early.
B. What do you think scum would do here?
Thirdly: Meh, I don't think I buy into it completely. As soon as something becomes an obv town tell, scum will start to do it to be obv town. Such black and white views can be dangerous.But if that's your thought process, that's your thought process.-
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In post 192, KuroiXHF wrote:Strong Town: TelltaleHeart
Lean Town: Lilith, Clumsy
Null: Soren, Javajoe
Lean Scum: Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman
Strong Scum: LaneIn post 220, KuroiXHF wrote:
OK. I've found that when he's less active, he's more likely to be town. The more he coasts, the more likely he is to be town.In post 219, lane0168 wrote:So what do you see in snarky's posts here? Describe scum snarky, or town snarkyIn post 224, lane0168 wrote:
Describe what snarky is doing here that makes you think he is scum... Or what he's doing that makes him not town. That shouldn't be too much to ask. I can do the rest myself.In post 220, KuroiXHF wrote:
OK. I've found that when he's less active, he's more likely to be town. The more he coasts, the more likely he is to be town.In post 219, lane0168 wrote:So what do you see in snarky's posts here? Describe scum snarky, or town snarky
Am I missing something/misunderstanding something, because this seems contradictory. You say he's coasting, but the more he coasts, the more likely he is to be town... so you're scumreading him?In post 226, KuroiXHF wrote:Coasting. Only speaking if being pushed to do so. Being more reactive than pro-active. Not scum hunting.-
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On a (very) short lunch break. Going to speed read through and catch up a bit.
Nothing at all? Want to comment on any of this going on now?In post 250, Soren wrote:Checking in, I have no extra comments since my last post
In post 261, lane0168 wrote:Yeah I'm going to go back to that. Mostly because kuroi was defending his scum read, saying if he'll come back to it or he ever can, and then the blatant contradiction, and then saying he only had him there cause he doesn't trust him. If that was true he would've just said that first. He just got caught
VOTE: kuroiWhy all the sudden votes on Kuroi? Like, these are all within 6 posts of each other. Did I miss a consensus somewhere?
This... At first, I went into red alert mode when I read this. After reading the other posts, and having a minute to think, I -could- see this being innocent... but I don't like it. At all. This combined with him jumping on with 3 other people so suddenly give me an uneasy feeling. I'm not liking this possible Kuroi lynch. If that's what happens, and Kuroi is town, we need to hang this. As it is, with early game feeling very off for me in regards to Lane, and now all of this, Lane is my number 1 scum read. I don't like this Kuroi wagon at all.In post 267, lane0168 wrote:See you on earth 2 kuroi
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Not you suddenly jumping on. I realize you've been there, you two had almost a whole page going back and forth. Bad phrasing. Eating a sandwich while typing. Suddenly was to everyone else jumping on it within 6 posts.-
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I'm back. Real short version for catch up:
When I signed up for this game, I assumed it would be role madness. Most games like this are. So I don't see anything wrong with Lillith thinking it was. Kuroi's tone here is weird, but I'm still not willing to put my vote there. Joe Chill is still rubbing me the wrong way, posts are very short and could be simple coasting. I was wondering about his questions in 288 as well though. Where is Soren at? And I wish Snarky would contribute a bit more. I get that this is his usual thing, but it doesn't make it any less annoying.-
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I get that. Not to mention getting hung as town in our last two games together. One was kinda put together by scum, the other was just a bad vig... and if you're town here, I can totally see that. :/
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Exactly this. We already have two. Why do we want more?In post 453, lane0168 wrote:
The more vt's that claim, the better chance scum have of hitting pr's. Is what clumsy is getting atIn post 445, Javajoe24 wrote:Because of balancing issues. And replenishing for VT? I am only asking for one other to confirm my theory.-
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I'm gonna have to reread at some point, but I think I'm mainly in agreeance here. I don't really like Lane either though. I don't know what to do about Snarky, and Soren is away.In post 470, TellTaleHeart wrote:{Soren, Snarky, Javajoe} is where my scumpool currently stands.-
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That wasn't ATE. At least, not meant to be. Just a fact that I have not had a good Day 1 in a game yet. Death tunneled somewhat solid town first game (although I was scum), Completely offbase on Day 1 my second game, but called scumteam day 2, etc.In post 501, TellTaleHeart wrote:Regarding Clumsy, I'll admit that the AtE in Post 184 got to me.
I know I'm not "supposed" to give that any weight, but ~the feels.~
Feel free to go through my previous games and see how I play town. I've been described as "awkward town". As to interacting with scumreads, for example: I was getting suspicious of you not really saying where you were standing, and voted you and asked your stance. I pushed you for information. I pushed back on Soren when he pushed me. Did you miss all the questions I threw at Xk? We had a whole conversation there, and I was scumreading him.In post 504, lilith2013 wrote:Just to preface: Neither of these reads are very strong. My list reads more like "town/townlean/null/people who did something scummy that makes them less than null," not "oh my god i think they're scum."
Clumsy: His pressure vote on me. I didn't catch that he was scumreading other people, which you pointed out, but I thought it was scummy for him to just pick somebody seemingly at random to pressure vote on page 8. There wasn't any mention of my content, so it wasn't like he had read my post and was like, "your post doesn't make sense, this is scummy" and voted me. Which makes me think even more that he just plucked my name out of thin air.
The other thing that's bothering me is that Clumsy seems like he's trying to offer commentary on the game without really getting involved. There's no real attempt to interact with his scumreads and push them. Could it just be that he's town having a hard time getting engaged? Possibly..
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It's bad because I'm not hard pushing who is scum on page 4?In post 478, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Comments through page 7 -
By page 3 I want to lynch Kuroi for 55 given the special mechanics that the Mod outlined specifically answer the question for Kuroi. Reads as fake uniformed Town posting. But it’s early.
Early Town read on Telltale for the scum theatre comment.
Also Clumsy’s posts to page 4 don’t feel like solid scum-hunting to me. Lots of volume but very little in the way of asserting who may be scum. Will need to see how this develops as the pages pile up.
Agreed. If one is scum, it's more likely the one trying to get back out of the 1v1. Scum doesn't want that attention.In post 478, MagnaofIllusion wrote: Lane’s jump to Snarky at 102 is suspect given how committed he was that Kuroi was fake-scum reading him and was scum for it. At a gut level feels like grasping at a way to extricate himself from what is essentially a 1v1 with Kuroi at that early stage.
How is this suspect? He is voting Snarky. And doesn't believe that someone should put Snarky as town. I don't get what's odd about this.In post 478, MagnaofIllusion wrote: Agree that Xf’s read on Snarky on page 5 makes little sense with dropping Snarky as Town given Snarky’s complete lack of contributions. Null is the only slot that makes sense .
Lane’s 127 is also suspect given that he is voting Snarky at that point in time …
This is very odd, and I'm not entirely sure what to make of it. Like, I can't make a scum motivation nor a town motivation for it. Do you have any thoughts as to why he might do this? What's the scum motivation?In post 478, MagnaofIllusion wrote: Javajoe’s 130 and 130 are scummy. He’s voting TellTale while having Xf as his top scum read and despite being prodded by Lane doesn’t move it.
I pushed it towards Kuroi and Lane because he had stated no opinions on it at all, even though it was the biggest thing that had been going on. Instead he avoids it and comes after me, which seems to me like scum trying to not get mixed up in all of that.In post 479, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Comments Pages 8 to 15
Agree with 179.
Clumsy’s 184 hits my scumdar very, very hard. His pushback on Soren to “look at people other than me” looks Townish on its face but the language he top push the discussion towards Kuroi and Lane specifically reads to me as trying to derail focus on his slot. If Kuroi versus Lane is indeed TvT then attempting to direct attention to their early conflict would be a scum-motivated play.
And 186 is scummy. In 184 Clumsy had just spent a paragraph on how his top suspects were Lane and Xkfyu. Yet he moves his vote away to Lillith basically for activity reasons. In 184 he literally had just claimed Lillith was Null and yet 10 minutes later Lillith is a viable vote.
Pushing my vote over to Lillith does not mean that she is suddenly my number 1 scum read. The vote is a tool. One that can result in a hanging, but you'd be hardpressed to convince anyone that my vote moving there was trying to get her to be the lynch today. She seemed to be coasting by without offering opinions, and I wanted some pressure there.
Why?In post 478, MagnaofIllusion wrote: Troubled by Kuroi’s 192, specifically the read on Clumsy and Snarky given neither one was touched in his big catchup post.
Like Lilith for the moment given on Page 9 she has an eye on Clumsy.
Lane’s 213 earns some Town points for what I see as a very even-handed approach to Snarky meta.
And Xkfyu goes back into the deeper part of the scum-pool for 214.
So it's scummy to move off of a main scum read, and it's scummy to move onto a main scum read? This doesn't make sense. Removing the pressure vote, sure, that makes sense. But I've been scumreading Lane for a while. It was at this point that I was actually comfortable with a Lane lynch today. As for Lane, yes, scum!Kuroi would show up on Earth 2. But can you look at that post and not say that it at least -looks- like a scumslip of the century? It wasn't a "I can push this as scummy". It's "I've been suspicious of Lane all game, and this stood out to me." I think you said you weren't sure I was actually scumhunting. But whenever I point out an opinion of why I think someone is scum, you automatically go to a scum motivation for it. This is starting to get confbiasy.In post 478, MagnaofIllusion wrote: And I don’t buy for an instant that Kuroi is scum-reading Snarky at if 220 is his assessment of Snarky meta. Because Snarky is very much to page 9 doing exactly what Kuroi claims his meta says Town Snarky would do.
Gut feeling is that Java might be scum hoping to coast out the early wagon on himself. Will need to see if activity picks up after page 10.
And don’t buy 233 at all. As of this post I think the reads list was manufactured and more likely to come from scum than Town.
Dear god can any of you give me a reason to Town-read you. Lilith’s 262 and 263 threaten to detonate the Town read I was forming on that slot.
Yeah, Lane’s “See you on Earth 2” looks just like the fake Town posting I read from Kuroi early. Especially since it would not contradict his claimed Kuroi-scum read since Kuroi would show up on Earth 2 if Town ever moved over to there with a mislynch.
Clumsy earns a deeper scum read for 287. That’s a classic “Aha, something I can push as scummy” reason to move to voting Lane not an actual Town processing Lane’s post. As I said earlier – even scum Kuroi would show up on Earth 2 whenever the game eventually shifted there (if it ever does). Additional points for completely abandoning the so called pressure vote on Lilith for lack of activity without even a comment on the change in her posting.
This is true. I don't think I've seen many theme games that didn't provide them.In post 481, MagnaofIllusion wrote:If Kuroi is Town here I’d read java as scum pretty strongly given his “Wagon formed too fast” commentary.
Xkfyu’s point at 377 regarding claiming a VT in an assumed Role Madness game (whether that assumption is valid is a different issue) is valid. And he gets some Town points for it. And immediately flushes them away with the “Feel better about Joe” comment in the same post. Scum have every reason to take that sort of stance when someone they know to be Town gets a quick wagon for Towncred in the case of an actual flip. That Xkfyu doesn’t even consider that in his read is troubling. I see the response to Telltale later but I stand by the assessment that he should have been giving Java no Town credit for the stance.
Thanks Telltale for affirming that my Town read on you to this point is well deserved with 379.
My mind boggles that everyone just immediately discounts the possibility that Earth-1 scum have fake-claims that would show the proper nomenclature for a VT claim. Be better ...
Are you saying that this makes you doubt your townread on her? Why are you discounting that chance that she is right with these? Also, didn't she affirm your townread on her? Which is it?In post 481, MagnaofIllusion wrote: Java couldn’t rolefish harder than at 442 if he tried.
Telltale did you have to go and shit on my Town-read with 470? Because a scum-read list that reads as a “pick the inactives as scum” list just really is at best lazy.
It's buddying because I share the same opinions? I quoted it because it was faster than just typing out the same thing. If having the same opinion as TTH is buddying her, then aren't you too with the scum theater thing? Isn't everyone buddying someone? Am I buddying anyone that I don't outright disagree with? WHEN DOES THE MADNESS END?
Nah but seriously, that's pretty weak. I can have the same opinions as someone else. At this point, it seems like you're just picking up any post of mine and saying "Yup, scum."
So far, I'm okay with Lane or Joe hanging today. Soren was rubbing me the wrong way yesterday, Magna is making me feel a little better about that slot, but only a bit.-
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You know, it bothers me sometimes that I'm usually in the bottom half of number of posts in games. But it's usually because I group everything together in big posts like this. Meh.-
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You sure you don't have that backwards?In post 414, KuroiXHF wrote:After a review of Clumsy, I also find that this fits more with his scum games than his town ones. Town Clumsy is a lot more assertive/aggressive than this.-
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Mmhm. And the game that I got called out for being more assertive and aggressive than normal? I was scum. That was Buzzfeed.-
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I know, Nahdia did. But she was right.-
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Not ready to go into anything big, worked for 10 hours today when it was supposed to be maybe 5. Gonna sleep soon, I'll be on tomorrow. But one thing is concerning me here. This seems like an early claim, and even if it is true- This does not necessarily mean town.
In fact, a large majority of games I've seen has 1 town neighbor at least. Why are you automatically assuming that it makes him town Kuroi?The Wiki wrote:Neighbors are players that can speak to each other. Unlike Masons, there is no guarantee made of any Neighbor's alignment. (...) In practice - and especially in Themed games - Neighbor is seen as an excuse to mix scum Neighbors where they would have been called bastard for doing so with a Masonry.-
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Ugh, missed this. I need sleep. I do still think it was early though.In post 623, Javajoe24 wrote:Hey, I am not trying to confirm my alignment with my role, as I have seen games with a scum neighbor, but felt like claiming because everyone seems content with my lynch.
It's not only other scum to confirm him if he's scum. He could be telling the truth about neighbor, and an actual neighbor could say he is indeed neighbors with them,In post 624, KuroiXHF wrote:If you're scum, you only have one other person who could confirm you - other scum. I'm not banking on you risking both of you unless you're town. I don't see you as the ballsy type. Either way, I see Clumsy approximately around as scummy as you so we can go to the "Javajoe24 scum topic" later on if it deems necessary.but that doesn't mean he is town.-
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Hey. I haven't been feeling well and my sleep is all screwed up. Slept for over 11 hours. Want to go back to sleep. I'm okay with Joe lynch. I believe he's at L-2? Not entirely sure. I'll get more up to date tomorrow hopefully.-
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Can't sleep. Gonna try to get a work in.
In post 617, Javajoe24 wrote:So it seems I am getting lynched today by general consensus, so I will go ahead and claim that I am a town Neighbor. I won't out my partner right now until they tell me in the neighborhood if they are ok with it. Now you know and can deliberate.
I don't find this sus. It seemed clear to me that Joe meant he was asking the partner if they minded being outed. I'm not sure how it was misinterpreted?In post 628, Javajoe24 wrote:Just don't lynch me before I reveal who my partner is. I feel it is in the towns best interest to have that information. Just want to confirm before I jump the gun
Yes, he's that replacement. Are you that out of touch with this game?In post 653, Javajoe24 wrote:Is moi the replacement for Soren? And the part about the reasons given was meant for the other game where I have strong reasons, my reasons here aren't as strong so don't necessarily trust them as much-
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Okay, actually awake now. Ugh.
Yeah, L-2. So I'll vote there.
VOTE: Javajoe
This is L-1.
And for the record, Spiderman is an awesome character. One of my favorites. Much morerelatable. He eventually gets strong enough to be the third (?) strongest Avenger, behind Hulk and I think Thor? He's as smart as Reed Richards too, and has done his fair share of science and detective work. Probably could out-detective Robin on Mr. Freeze at least.
Deadline is approaching though, so we need to have anyone who hasn't checked in to get in here.-
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Scu-? SCU-?!In post 707, KuroiXHF wrote:
You're right.In post 706, lane0168 wrote:Let's start by having everyone say if they're the same alignment or not
I'm scu-
...HEYO! Almost got me there!
Guys, I figured it out.
SCU......
BA.
Scuba! He's Aquaman! (but why....?)-
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I read that as the french word every time.-
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I'm neutral good man.-
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100% correct on all points. You guys need better hobbies.In post 720, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Oh, were you serious? I thought you were RVS derping around.In post 714, lane0168 wrote:Nobody is saying of they're the same alignment or not
Everyone is going to say yes. There is not a single motivation to do otherwise. Town in both are going to tell the truth. Scum on one world and Town on the other are going to lie. Scum on both are going to be truthful but it will properly suggest they were lying if they ever flipped. It would be tantamount to game throwing for scum to not do so.
Did you expect great things from your question? What answer that was at all alignment indicative did you expect to get?
In post 714, lane0168 wrote:Nobody is saying of they're the same alignment or not
He’s making a D&D joke folks …In post 718, Javajoe24 wrote:Are you saying you are third party clumsy?-
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Yeah, we haven't heard your thoughts on anything yet. >_>-
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Also, is it just me, or is it feeling really awkward going through another Day 1 in the same game? I feel like everyone is kind of stalled.-
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It took me a few minutes there. -_- I need to take more medicine and go back to sleep.-
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If I had to guess, the fact that we got our new Rolecards before the message saying "Night one has started, send in night actions!" suggests that scum team Earth-2 had the kill/actions last night. If we mislynch here, I think scum team Earth-1 will get their night for Earth-1.
In fact, from the mod post:
So essentially, Night 1 hasn't happened on Earth-One yet.In post 697, SirCakez wrote:All players have confirmed.
Night 1 begins on Earth-Two! It will end in 48 hours from this post.-
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My reaction where exactly? The D&D comment? If that's your push you're going to have to do better than that.In post 756, lane0168 wrote:
Honestly I was expecting someone to acknowledge it, but have an issue with it and avoid answering. Something like your post shows you have an issue with just answering outright. The hesitation reveals you could very well be town in one game and scum in another.In post 720, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Oh, were you serious? I thought you were RVS derping around.In post 714, lane0168 wrote:Nobody is saying of they're the same alignment or not
Everyone is going to say yes. There is not a single motivation to do otherwise. Town in both are going to tell the truth. Scum on one world and Town on the other are going to lie. Scum on both are going to be truthful but it will properly suggest they were lying if they ever flipped. It would be tantamount to game throwing for scum to not do so.
Did you expect great things from your question? What answer that was at all alignment indicative did you expect to get?
In post 714, lane0168 wrote:Nobody is saying of they're the same alignment or not
He’s making a D&D joke folks …In post 718, Javajoe24 wrote:Are you saying you are third party clumsy?
Clumsy's reaction also gives me the feeling they could be scum on earth 1 along with him being scummy there already.
VOTE: moi
As for Xk, let me go back through Earth-One and see his thoughts again. Might open up some thoughts.-
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This isn't everything of course, but just some examples I pulled. Probably some better points to be made, but I'm not feeling well and just want to get some discussion going. In fact, previewing back through for formatting, it looks pretty lame. Whatever. I might do more later. I'll spoiler for ease on the eyes.
Spoiler: Wall
If I had to pick one of these to cling to, it'd be TTH here. (It is still NKA, which is tricky and unreliable, but it's something to get discussion going.) Thoughts anyone?-
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Whoa, L-1? You're right, it is. Didn't even realize.Lane, did you realize?-
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...Oookay? And no, scum will just say that they're the same, because that's what town will do. If they were scum in one, and got hung there, they would just say that they were lying in the other, whether they are scum or not.
It's like the riddle of two paths. 2 men sitting between the paths, one always lies, one always tells the truth. You can't just straight up ask them which way is the right way, because you don't know which one is lying.
Is Magna scum as well for post 720? Would I be scum if I just said "Yes"?
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I can't answer for Magna, but for me, it's a useless question with a useless answer. If I was seriously going to answer of course I would say I was town in both. That goes for if I was scum or town. But because it was such a useless question, I made a joke about it. Why would only town answer that way?
"Plus there's the issue about claiming that they're the same, and get lynched as scum." But anything other than claiming as town (same) in both, would be working against them. They have no reason to not say they're town in both.
P-edit: If that's your major case on me or Magna, I think you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone of it.-
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What's the other case for scum Magna on this earth? That's what you're implying at least, that it's on this Earth. What's he done to ping you so far? Because all I see in his ISO is jokes so far.In post 798, lane0168 wrote:There are other cases for scum magna.
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Well, I can prove that this is wrong, because I know my alignments. You can't take my word for it, but I'm going to drop this here, because there's no getting through to you with you standing so firmly behind faulty logic. And no, not yet, but we have time to get there, and I don't need to latch onto a poor case like this for a read.
Rereading back through, I was thinking about this. I wonder how the balance has changed in regards to scum/town PRs with a night start on Earth-Two? I've never done a night start game, so I have no idea the implications.In post 742, KuroiXHF wrote:Hmmm. I'm sure this changes something, although I'm not sure how.-
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Okay, forcing discussion time. Lane is town. Thoughts?-
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Talking Earth-Two right now.-
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I don't think scum would use such a weak and illogical case, especially this early in the day. Seems like a towny trying to catch someone, although in a flawed way.-
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Not that he's acting too scummy, but that he would use this as his attack.-
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Phone posting. @Magna: That's perfectly fine to disagree, it's not a strong read for me in any case. Lane's whole thing here is completely illogical and pointless, and while I hate it when people dismiss scummy behavior as too scummy to be scum, in this particular case, my gut is telling me town. This read could change, and fairly easily at that. The reason I bring it up is because holy shit thread stagnation. At least it gives something to talk about, like right now. Gotta get discussion going.
Oh, and for the record I'm not calling Lane dumb. The point he's pushing is disingenuous, but I don't mean Lane is. I sincerely apologize if that's how that came across.-
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@Lillith Scummy behavior can come from town too. I stand by what I said, but I don't see this coming from scum. Mostly gut though.-
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