??? I hadn't posted at that point.
VOTE: Iprobablysuck
OMGUS + stupid username
Also I can't be the only one who thought the theme was like, Queens, as in rulers and not the band
??? I hadn't posted at that point.
In post 67, Iprobablysuck wrote:Oh I find it VERY suspicious, I just don't like how she pushes somebody into L-1 this early and the only reasoning she gives is ''I agree with FA and duppin'' if that's not a sheep vote I don't know what is.
VOTE: Elyse
Was going to do that earlier but forgot.
This @ TTHIn post 47, duppin wrote:Very well, I agree.
I don't think #32 makes much sense given the context of #30.
Saying "I agree" accomplishes the same thing because there was never any question as to what I was talking about but ok.In post 86, Iprobablysuck wrote:''I feel Aristophanes is scum because he tried to throw shade on IPS and then defended him after I told him to vote IPS, so I agree with Fire and Duppin'' (or whatever else you have to say on the matter)
Basically give your opinions on the case, explain WHY you agree with it, and add anything else you might want to add.
Just saying ''I agree'' doesn't help anyone. Saying WHY you agree at least adds to discussion.
Hard to explain. Postie's FA suspicion just doesn't seem like something scum would do right now. Aris is getting run up, there's some heat on me, FA is probably getting looked upon favorably because of the Aris wagon. It'd be a weird time for him to switch focus onto FA under no pressure as scum. It just feels genuine.In post 87, TellTaleHeart wrote:Not really following you here. What do you mean?In post 84, Elyse wrote:Postie's read on FA seems very genuine. He's going against the grain and there are multiple avenues for him to take if he were scum going for a lynch. I don't see him going for FA out of everyone.
lol
It's literally "Elyse is aware of what's going on in this game and is looking at it from a perspective of 'what scum would do'". No shit. That's how I scumhunt.In post 112, Iprobablysuck wrote:
More deep, epic insight from the goddess of Mafia.
Other than the fact it's against you, why is the case shit?
In post 131, Elyse wrote:I think he could be trying to take advantage of you and pass the blame should I ever flip.
LolIn post 140, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 139, Fire Assassin wrote:Unlesss you can do good preflip associations, they are usually not good in my experience.
Missed this.In post 195, BNL wrote:This is wrong by the way.In post 181, Elyse wrote: and hasn't even addressed the accusations against him regarding his awful sheeping of FA's "case".In post 148, BNL wrote:I probably didn't explain 102 properly. I was townreading Fire for his case on Elyse, but I didn't agree with the case. I was scumreading Elyse for other reasons.
duppin - I was saying that Fire called me scum for something he did too.In post 208, BNL wrote:Who was this directed to? The only person who posted between this and your previous post is duppin, but I didn't see him mention any scumread on you in those two posts.In post 146, Elyse wrote:Wow nice catch. Fire did the same thing as me but only I'm scum for it.
This is just awful.In post 211, BNL wrote:Gut, and the last time I saw someone use emotion defensively, they were scum.
So how are you supposed to tell the difference if you don't know his scum game?In post 217, GuiltyLion wrote:says weird things that make him commonly scumread
tbf I have never seen his scumgame, but I have erroneously scumread him in 2/2 games I was with him as town, and used him as a lynch in another game where I was scum and he was a 3p lyncher
You ruled out bussing but then ask why everyone being town on the wagon has to do with Aris' alignment. Lol. Bussing this early on day 1 in a micro when Aris isn't an obvious lynch is an unlikely move for scum so a wagon with a bunch of townies on it looks good to me.In post 284, Postie wrote:Those have had zero traction though. And the fact that the Aristo wagon has sprung up so organically and no one is being particularly forceful about it I feel rules out the possibility of scum bussing.In post 281, Elyse wrote:There was an attempt to counter wagon on me and one on Bullet.
This is a mislynch. Unvote.
a) Why are you townreading the people on the wagon?In post 281, Elyse wrote:I am townreading everyone on the wagon and strongly scumreading Aris.
b) Even if everyone on the wagon were town, what does that have anything to do with Aristo's alignment?
Did you just ask someone if they are scumreading the person they are voting for?In post 313, Fire Assassin wrote:TTH you scumreading Ari?
In post 242, Elyse wrote:239 pings me so hard. The overjustified, apologetic unvote of Bullet, the slight shade at Postie, the ridiculous defense of Bullet at the end when you were voting him like two posts earlier.
That was such an awkward and complete backoff of Bullet for "towny toned posts that you missed". Like are you even reading the game? You've "missed" a crazy amount of posts.
I wouldn't be surprised with a Bullet/Aris scumteam.
The gotcha was as in "your read is based on nothing, got it".In post 326, Fire Assassin wrote:I don't believe my previous case was nothing, and I don't even know how if my read was based on little or nothing it would be a "Gotcha". You are on odd on to think in this line of thoughts.In post 325, Elyse wrote:Ok so nothing?
Gotcha.
You know the longer you hold onto the terrible scumread on me, the worse you look. I thought you were just offended that I called your case terrible (which it was) but you should be over it by now. :/
I don't know about thatIn post 338, Postie wrote:Sure. But I'm town.
Why? I've cut my scum pool in half. What's so horrible about that?In post 344, Fire Assassin wrote:Okay your scum team is in a group of four players, when their is nine players total in the game. You have just slightly below 50% of the player base in your group of possible scum.In post 341, Elyse wrote:I don't know about thatIn post 338, Postie wrote:Sure. But I'm town.
I was townreading you
But not anymore
I think the scumteam is within this group of four:
Aris, FA, Postie, NBL
But then again the Wingback slot is a mystery so idk
I really think that is horrible on every level.
"Wow Elyse is terrible for narrowing her scum pool to 4" (lol @ that and you not responding to it) "but that probably makes her town"In post 355, Fire Assassin wrote:How am I backtracking on my read?In post 350, Elyse wrote:You're literally blowing things up to try to make me look bad and now you're backtracking on your read like I thought you would earlier.
FA jumped up on my scum list.
Nah I'd call it backtracking. You also still haven't addressed that you called narrowing my scum pool to four horrible despite it being a normal, helpful thing to do. Why did you do that?In post 359, Fire Assassin wrote:Okay? I think what you mean to say is that I am adjusting my reads based on new information, but alright, I am "backtracking"In post 357, Elyse wrote:"Wow Elyse is terrible for narrowing her scum pool to 4" (lol @ that and you not responding to it) "but that probably makes her town"In post 355, Fire Assassin wrote:How am I backtracking on my read?In post 350, Elyse wrote:You're literally blowing things up to try to make me look bad and now you're backtracking on your read like I thought you would earlier.
FA jumped up on my scum list.
You're saying that something I did is bad and then saying I'm probably not scum for it. That's backtracking.
What do you think of conversation between Postie and TTH right now?
In post 364, Elyse wrote:You also still haven't addressed that you called narrowing my scum pool to four horrible despite it being a normal, helpful thing to do. Why did you do that?
Ooh I hate this post. And every time duppin says "to be honest" or "honestly" I wince.In post 398, duppin wrote:I do think it is possible you are town, but I don't think your play has been towny at all and I simply can't understand the motivation behind what you did with Aristo. I'll gladly admit that I'm perhaps reading a bit too much into it. That does not really change the fact that I find your play rather suspicious. I also feel like you're OMGUS'ing quite a bit, but I could be wrong so I'd really like to hear your reads.
I agree with this. BNL has become a townread for me.In post 436, Postie wrote:BNL joins my townpool! And no, that's not because something something reverse OMGUS. It's because the way he's jumping on and off my wagon makes little sense from a scum PoV.
RE: OMGUS accusations - just because I am scumreading the people on my wagon does not mean I am OMGUSing them. I'll go into detail on my reads in a bit so you have a clearer picture of where I'm at.
That doesn't make sense. TheIn post 459, Fire Assassin wrote:The way it was narrowed down had a majority of players in it, and the way it was organized seemed like it could be lining up lynches.In post 458, Elyse wrote:@Fire Assassin
Stop ignoring me. I've asked you multiple times and bolded it. Why did you say that narrowing down the scumpool was something "horrible"?
I almost wanted to ignore this post again btw, don't know what made me decide to answer it, I guess my morning is pretty bright.
That's not the way I'd expect you to talk to someone whose wagon you engineered and is currently sitting at L-1. It's like you're already trying to wash your hands of the Postie lynch before it happened. "It's possible you're town even though nothing you've done is townie" is a stupid statement in its own right and the rest of it is just a giant fencesit. "I'll gladly admit I'm reading too much into it, but you're play is still suspicious." "I feel like you're OMGUSing but I could be wrong." Like...? You're not taking any stances, contradicting yourself, and seem almost apologetic about your scumread on Postie.duppin wrote:Well to be honest I honestly don't care.In post 458, Elyse wrote: Ooh I hate this post. And every time duppin says "to be honest" or "honestly" I wince.
Why do you hate the post though?
Because I called you out on your shitty read and you couldn't back it up. It made you look bad so you said my narrowing down the scum pool was "so horrible it's town" when it wasn't horrible at all.In post 467, Fire Assassin wrote:I think we have different perspectives of what is scummy and town, which is pretty apparent. I don't believe I said I was pissed at you, but your thought process does annoy me. For instance this "blew up something that I did" it just fits into your own narrative, which is funny because you say I have a narrative to apparently change my read on you for, what reasons?In post 465, Elyse wrote:FA is a scumread of mine. After I badgered him about his shitty scumread on me, he blew up something that I did as "horrible" (even though it wasn't) just so he could say "actually that was so bad that it means Elyse is town :/". It fits into his narrative of being pissed at me but also allows him to get rid of his godawful read he's been sticky with since the beginning.
I think that's more likely to come from scum. I just don't see a townie reading a case, disagreeing with it, and then townreading someone for it. Like if the case is good, why do you disagree with it? It makes more sense coming from an informed point of view.In post 471, Wingback wrote: First off, I can see town thinking that the way another player is pushing a case is townish, while also thinking that they are wrong. I don't understand why you think that's unlikely.
It's different when the case is about yourself. A lot of people townread others for being suspicious of themselves. I don't know if it's accurate but some people do it.In post 471, Wingback wrote: Secondly, Postie townread TTH right after TTH made a case on her (Post 115 and Post 116). I assume Postie disagrees with the case if she's town. Why isn't that scummy but BNL townreading someone for a case he disagrees with, scummy?
You're right. It makes more sense if BNL is town.In post 471, Wingback wrote: Why would Aristo be apologetic to his scumbuddy in thread? It would make more sense if you argued that Aristo was backing off and apologizing to a town-BNL to make sure he doesn't antagonize him, but then you call the two of them a scumteam.
First thing is more theory I guess. I disagree but there's no point in arguing.In post 483, Wingback wrote:BNL never said he thought the case was good. He just said he was townreading Fire for the case. That could mean any number of things most likely scenarios being that BNL thought Fire's thought process was town, or that he though Fire's aggression was town, or that he thought Fire sounded like he believed in his case even if he BNL saw it as misguided.In post 472, Elyse wrote:I just don't see a townie reading a case, disagreeing with it, and then townreading someone for it. Like if the case is good, why do you disagree with it? It makes more sense coming from an informed point of view.
Why did you think they were scumbuddies at that point?In post 472, Elyse wrote:You're right. It makes more sense if BNL is town.
He wasn't scumreading me at the end of the day.In post 591, BNL wrote:Wait, now that I think about it - Fire was the only one who had a scumread on Elyse, right?