Micro 627 | Dumb Ways to Lynch (and Lose) - Game over

[Zyf]

YO this is sick

Sup guys.

[Zyf]

are there permanent PRs in this setup
like dayvig or something like that

[Zyf]

@Everyone-
Are we gonna hold our 1-shots until later on or are we going to use during to RVS?

I'd recommend that no one use it super early, but I'm sure there's gonna be that one guy who just comes in and blows it immediately.

[Zyf]

My understanding is we should decide on two people likely to be town and good at townreading others and eliminate all others.

Good at townreading...?
Hahahaha yeah no that's not me.

Wait

@Creature-Eliminated players can't use their 1-shot, correct?

[Zyf]

Yeah if we're terrible enough to hit double mafia we're in trouble
Well for today anyway we don't know tomorrow's mechanic for lynches

[Zyf]

Chips

[Zyf]

Sure
Who wants to do votecounts cuz I won't have time soon (vacay, I'll be around but at early/late hours for short periods)
VOTE: shos

[Zyf]

Never mind actually, I didn't read it correctly. The hurted people are treestumped until the end of the day.
So there's no real drawback for randomly-hurting someone unless they don't get picked for a team.

can I hurt you then

actually there is a drawback
that drawback is that if they turn out to be someone who's town you've increased the % of people who can hurt others that is scum

so no, don't just flail it randomly. It's not like we get to do this all Days, just Day 1.

[Zyf]

Sure
Who wants to do votecounts

the mod?

Good point about the RVS shos. minor town tell for me. I think it would be advantageous to scum to skip RVS.

VOTE: Eggman

Why would the mod do votecounts that aren't even official? I mean, it'd be nice if they did, but it's not their responsibility.

Are you OK with that @Creature?

[Zyf]

Oh no, it started.
So it looks like we're all Treestump-isers today? Except it doesn't go away after, so we should be careful.
Side note: I won't be here very much until next Monday, as camp got difficult.

McMenno, if we get a mafioso I think that would be very good actually, since they'd be effectively out.

Eggman, mcmenno meant pick for leaders, not pick to eliminate

Fair point, but if somehow we treestump-ize both mafiosos, for all intents and purposes, they're dead, and we win. That's what I meant.

Never mind actually, I didn't read it correctly. The hurted people are treestumped until the end of the day.
So there's no real drawback for randomly-hurting someone unless they don't get picked for a team.

no offense but when push comes to stove I don't trust this guy enough to pick the teams.
HURT: Zyf

...?
What do I have to do with these posts?

[Zyf]

Yeah I'm gonna go at this.

HURT: Wisdom.

I agree with this
post-treestumped-ly

[Zyf]

From the looks of tthis game, hurting is like lynching. Since it is oneshot, I will not use it yet. I agree with alabaska. In this setup, random hurting is nit going to be very beneficial for us at all. I suggest we formulate more content before we even think about eliminating anyone.

except you've been one-shotted m8

[Zyf]

Wait, what's this about the vote counts? Shouldn't Creature be doing a vote count, not us? Does that count as mod impersonation, or...
And if I'm reading this correctly, hurt people can still vote, just not hurt anyone else. Gosh, it's not like treestumping at all then.
Anyways, RVS time.
VOTE: Bulbazoor

why would you treestump someone who hasn't even posted?
Especially when other people had posted
like me whose thoughts you specifically opposed

[Zyf]

From the looks of tthis game, hurting is like lynching. Since it is oneshot, I will not use it yet. I agree with alabaska. In this setup, random hurting is nit going to be very beneficial for us at all. I suggest we formulate more content before we even think about eliminating anyone.

This is probably scum

?

[Zyf]

so you can eliminate someone who has already been eliminated

there are five people still remaining:
me
aristophanes
shos
alabaska
bulbazoor

only alabaska and bulbazoor have a shot left

Oh no, it started.
So it looks like we're all Treestump-isers today? Except it doesn't go away after, so we should be careful.
Side note: I won't be here very much until next Monday, as camp got difficult.

McMenno, if we get a mafioso I think that would be very good actually, since they'd be effectively out.

Eggman, mcmenno meant pick for leaders, not pick to eliminate

Fair point, but if somehow we treestump-ize both mafiosos, for all intents and purposes, they're dead, and we win. That's what I meant.

Never mind actually, I didn't read it correctly. The hurted people are treestumped until the end of the day.
So there's no real drawback for randomly-hurting someone unless they don't get picked for a team.

no offense but when push comes to stove I don't trust this guy enough to pick the teams.
HURT: Zyf

...?
What do I have to do with these posts?

fuck I mean

HURT: Eggman

WOW THANKS A LOT MENNO

[Zyf]

I thought maruchan shoy you tbh

well you're both stumped now so it doesn't really matter

they did
i'm pretty sure it was just to troll -.-'

[Zyf]

Yeah I'm gonna go at this.

HURT: Wisdom.

This too

Don't tell me you didn't read my warning to Maruchan and how he proceeded to completely ignore me. This is just an excuse to take me out.

Who made you town leader? We never said we wanted to follow your plan. You just threatened follow my plan or else. Why should we consider you a good leader candidate because you strongarm us?

I also said that lolvoting was bad
that makes you logically unlikely to be scum because that's like, way too obvious, but I still don't want someone who goes against my philosophy having control of the board.
That's like voting your enemy to be president.

[Zyf]

Also I love all these reactions to my reaction tests.

Y'all suck at reading the mods posts and butthurt as fuck

I'm butthurt at fuckin menno literally voting me ACCIDENTALLY
like how do you not notice that shit

[Zyf]

Yeah I'm gonna go at this.

HURT: Wisdom.

This too

Don't tell me you didn't read my warning to Maruchan and how he proceeded to completely ignore me. This is just an excuse to take me out.

Who made you town leader? We never said we wanted to follow your plan. You just threatened follow my plan or else. Why should we consider you a good leader candidate because you strongarm us?

I also said that lolvoting was bad
that makes you logically unlikely to be scum because that's like, way too obvious, but I still don't want someone who goes against my philosophy having control of the board.
That's like voting your enemy to be president.

"scum wouldn't do this" isn't a good argument tbh. just like "if scum was x they would've killed y".

Also I love all these reactions to my reaction tests.

Y'all suck at reading the mods posts and butthurt as fuck

I'm butthurt at fuckin menno literally voting me ACCIDENTALLY
like how do you not notice that shit

I'm fine with voting you accidentally; both you and eggman are not going to pick teams now. I'm okay with that.

wth did i do again?

And no, "scum would've killed y" is different. that's an action that strongly changes the course of the game. "scum would have voted y" is more plausible because it's a less closed system and doesn't do as much. It's not 100% reliable but it's much more reliable than NK predictions because the level of info is different.

[Zyf]

So who's going to get extra shots @Creature

[Zyf]

reading comprehension

do you have it

anyway, maruchan didn't even eliminate someone. he intentionally formatted in a way that doesn't count, to get reactions out of people.

and you said "scum wouldn't lolvote"

and now you're saying you said "scum would've voted y" or whatever which is a completely different thing.

I'm saying that a kill has much more influence than a vote/hurt (in this case)

Also I guess ur right it doesn't count
still tho fuckin wtf

[Zyf]

6 town members left.

3 mafia members left.

Day 1: Walking the Plank

Everybody may choose one player to eliminate from the challenge (this can't be undone). Eliminated players can no longer influence the challenge, but they still can talk. You can use:

HURT: That guy you don't like

Hurt: That guy you don't like

If all players still in the challenge already eliminated someone, they may get another shot.

This challenge will last until there are only two players left. These players may then publicly pick 3 players (besides themselves) they want in their team. The player without a team will be lynched.

Rulesets:
- None. Take the time you want.

do you see this post

read it in its entirety

what
you don't like me

I'm hurt

[Zyf]

*emotionally
and physically

[Zyf]

omfg guys read the freaking post it's just one post

I did.
Zyf obviously didn't. I'm glad he's not picking teams because of this.
However, Eggman and Zyf could be townslipping, as scum would want to go over that post thoroughly so they can use it properly and whatnot. Not a hard tell, but something I'm considering.

What, the instructions on how to submit a hurting action?
Lmao I thought I missed something else super important

[Zyf]

you should shoot shos and bulba.

And?
how do you "and" with one shot?

[Zyf]

alabaska should take care of bulba

Then you all get another shot and take care of shos

I mean I agree with you so far but there's still 3 ppl left after.

[Zyf]

I've said my piece about that too. I prefer McMenno and Aristo over Alabaska.

I'd rather alabaska stay in and someone else leave (menno?)

[Zyf]

I've said my piece about that too. I prefer McMenno and Aristo over Alabaska.

I'd rather alabaska stay in and someone else leave (menno?)

there are 5 people left fam

Shos is shooting someone that leaves 4
if bulba shoots too that's 3
fam

[Zyf]

Why?

Iunno. They feel more calm/rational.

[Zyf]

that doesnt equal town, the opposite actually

also shos has already shot

uh
I'd rather have a rational person pick teams than someone pick based on how they feel when they wake up
at least I can read their logic later-the emotional person is literally impossible to read

[Zyf]

So far we have

Alabaska being all logical and cautious and perfect-like, things that I associate with scum
Bulbazoor likewise trying to say the right things, except he's weaker as scum and it's showing
shos with the terrible shot on me when he should know better to at least wait before acting (we have history with shos)
Maruchan with the bold moves that ruined any chance of doing this the right way and him trying to still defend his actions.

Everyone else looks mostly town to me.

well fun fact m8 there are only 3 scum
I don't think shos is scum

[Zyf]

Because you don't know shos.

I think Maru is the wrong one, as such bullshit usually come from town, but like I said I don't want to write him off.

could you link me to some meta to help me along?

After shos maru's prob town, i agree.

[Zyf]

I don't think cold meta is going to help you

But basically shos respects me as a player and I have a hard time seeing him just eliminating me like that if he's town. If he's scum? Definitely.

or because they didn't like your elim?

[Zyf]

HURT: Wisdom

Was wisdom not hurt already?

[Zyf]

When we do get the final two, we should alternate picks like they do on the playground. Seems the fairest, and who we pick should give us insights.

Gotta read the most recent page still.

i mean that's 100% up to creature

[Zyf]

I agree, i don't really want bulba leading, go ahead and hurt them (wow that sounds so cruel, thanks Creature)
B/c A) they're obv not paying attention and B) they move too recklessly
I don't necessarily think that makes them scum though, do others disagree? (if anything scum's usually more meticulous)

[Zyf]

I agree, i don't really want bulba leading, go ahead and hurt them (wow that sounds so cruel, thanks Creature)
B/c A) they're obv not paying attention and B) they move too recklessly
I don't necessarily think that makes them scum though, do others disagree? (if anything scum's usually more meticulous)

I feel like you just took what I said about you and Eggman, and what Wisdom said about Maru, and smushed them together...

When we do get the final two, we should alternate picks like they do on the playground. Seems the fairest, and who we pick should give us insights.

Gotta read the most recent page still.

i mean that's 100% up to creature

I mean that, should we be given the chance to pick all at once, we should alternate regardless, or discuss our picks before we implement them at least.

you mean correct the crazy RVS we just did?

[Zyf]

I agree, i don't really want bulba leading, go ahead and hurt them (wow that sounds so cruel, thanks Creature)
B/c A) they're obv not paying attention and B) they move too recklessly
I don't necessarily think that makes them scum though, do others disagree? (if anything scum's usually more meticulous)

I feel like you just took what I said about you and Eggman, and what Wisdom said about Maru, and smushed them together...

When we do get the final two, we should alternate picks like they do on the playground. Seems the fairest, and who we pick should give us insights.

Gotta read the most recent page still.

i mean that's 100% up to creature

I mean that, should we be given the chance to pick all at once, we should alternate regardless, or discuss our picks before we implement them at least.

There's a difference between not paying attention to the initial rules and not reading what others are posting. A very big difference.

you mean correct the crazy RVS we just did?

EBWOP response to part 1

[Zyf]

Im still feeling wuzzy about wisdom. So id really rather someone who agrees stays in the challenge with me. Place your bets

Dont fucking let shos be a leader. I could be wrong about Bulba, even Alabaska, I'm not wrong about shos. It's fucking unreal that shos ignores me like that.

i think letting neither of you be leader sounds like the optimal-est plan

[Zyf]

Im still feeling wuzzy about wisdom. So id really rather someone who agrees stays in the challenge with me. Place your bets

Dont fucking let shos be a leader. I could be wrong about Bulba, even Alabaska, I'm not wrong about shos. It's fucking unreal that shos ignores me like that.

Maybe I should clarify that by leader I mean don't let him be one of the final two who pick teams

I mean just sheeping in general
this could totally be distancing

[Zyf]

are you trying to say me + maruchan scumteam

because you know that thing when you're thinking about something (you) and then you write something else (zyf).

or are you just throwing shade in the most idiotic way

The latter, of course.

Is this sarcasm?
Are you actually claiming to be throwing shade in idiotic ways?
If so, what is the end goal?

tfw you're playing with someone who can't see

obvious

sarcasm

[Zyf]

as two players (who at most contain 66.7% of scum) continue to choke each others' throats, the remaining scum player(s) sit back, relax, and enjoy the show
aka this argument is retarded, just stop already
both of your arguments are ridiculous

@Creature-Mafia has daychat, right?

[Zyf]

shos/Alabaska/?

Bulba's last posts made me doubt that read a little

Why is alabaska scum again?

[Zyf]

you dont care about my reads anyway, why ask

yeah I don't
cuz they're all gut/meta
and it's kinda hard to understand it/agree with it when I haven't (seriously) played with any of you before.

[Zyf]

those games were five years ago

Go look how many games I've played in the past three years. Old meta is all the meta I have bro

I can think of like two in the last year

but that's only because I played in them so take it with a grain of salt

you dont care about my reads anyway, why ask

yeah I don't
cuz they're all gut/meta
and it's kinda hard to understand it/agree with it when I haven't (seriously) played with any of you before.

are there any other reads anyway

no
Should we choose who we want to read? So that they can be captains?

[Zyf]

[quote="In post 175, Creature"

Wisdom

McMenno

Aristophanes

shos

Eggman

Zyf

Maruchan

Alabaska J

1-shot elimination

Bulbazoor

1-shot elimination

It's not that hard. shos is scum. Alabaska is likely scum. Bulba is either scum or VI. Aristo and Menno should be the captains.[/quote]
so you don't recommend using this captain thing to make reads?
Because if we hit scum they'll be in a really tough spot later on as long as we refer back to this based on flip, yeah?

[Zyf]

I don't really get what you're suggesting

i'm suggesting we pick null people as captains and possibly sacrifice one person to read two in exchange

[Zyf]

those games were five years ago

Go look how many games I've played in the past three years. Old meta is all the meta I have bro

I can think of like two in the last year

but that's only because I played in them so take it with a grain of salt

you dont care about my reads anyway, why ask

yeah I don't
cuz they're all gut/meta
and it's kinda hard to understand it/agree with it when I haven't (seriously) played with any of you before.

are there any other reads anyway

no
Should we choose who we want to read? So that they can be captains?

words are hard right

??
>.> I feel like this is mocking me but I can't even tell

[Zyf]

Uh, no, we pick the most likely to be town and/or the ones most likely to pick town for their teams and hope the one not recruited to a team is scum so that we get a scum lynch

then yeah I agree with you, I was just thinking cuz we get a lot of info out of this lynch later on when there's more flips
Oh wait this is 3scum/6town never mind we can't afford that luxury

menno X Aristo is probably best
Alabaska if you shoot Bulba and then Shos I'll believe ur town

[Zyf]

Good ol' wisdom, having 25% of the entire thread's posts so quickly

lol
that's usually me
but this entire discussion is mechanics based

Alabaska or however I spell your name
Please shoot someone. We're getting nowhere rn.

[Zyf]

Good ol' wisdom, having 25% of the entire thread's posts so quickly

lol
that's usually me
but this entire discussion is mechanics based

Alabaska or however I spell your name
Please shoot someone. We're getting nowhere rn.

oh nvm it's not really that different i'm

5

4 posts behind

[Zyf]

What's funny is you expecting people to read rules. You're still acting like that was in the mechanic post.

>expecting peopel to read the rules
>rules

yeah uhm, thats pretty much what rules are there for.

and you're being extremely disrespectful of the mod by not reading the rules.

and i never once even mentioned the word mechanics. So how am I acting like it was in the mechanics post? I EXPLICITLY said "reading the mods posts"

fuck you are the worst reader I have ever met.

You can't read mod-mandated rules

you cant read what I am writing as I write it to you


why the fuck are you in a game requiring you to read other peoples' content if you refuse to do so?

Your username must be some kind of ironic joke or something

Uhh, Zyf and Eggman are less adept with this reading thing it seems, so this is a lie.
Wisdom is actually a very good player. He will be bull headed and push on what he wants until we all assume it to be scummy, but that doesn't mean he is.

Getting scum vibes from aristo here.
See, Maru may be wrong, but when you call this a LIE you give it a connotation of bad stuff. This is mudthrowing.

I can get behind wisdom and aristo being of the same alignment
not as sure that's scum tho, cuz that's super obv. whiteknighting

of course I want to call him scum for calling me out like that but that's a horrible reason

[Zyf]

I guess I should clarify this
When maru did their reaction test I thought they actually meant to do that action-I didn't know whether it was temporary forgetfulness or just straight up not reading the rules, but I didn't know that was a reaction test.
I guess that was the plan all along tho so this defense is stupid

[Zyf]

as two players (who at most contain 66.7% of scum) continue to choke each others' throats, the remaining scum player(s) sit back, relax, and enjoy the show
aka this argument is retarded, just stop already
both of your arguments are ridiculous

@Creature-Mafia has daychat, right?

I know you are already treestumped, but why ask this?

Because then mafia can A) coordinate shots (nullifying the "miscommunication" argument) and B) plan who they're gonna pick (if one of them is a selector person thing), making my idea an absolutely horrible onebecause scum can coordinate just like if it were an NK.

[Zyf]

What's funny is you expecting people to read rules. You're still acting like that was in the mechanic post.

>expecting peopel to read the rules
>rules

yeah uhm, thats pretty much what rules are there for.

and you're being extremely disrespectful of the mod by not reading the rules.

and i never once even mentioned the word mechanics. So how am I acting like it was in the mechanics post? I EXPLICITLY said "reading the mods posts"

fuck you are the worst reader I have ever met.

You can't read mod-mandated rules

you cant read what I am writing as I write it to you


why the fuck are you in a game requiring you to read other peoples' content if you refuse to do so?

Your username must be some kind of ironic joke or something

Uhh, Zyf and Eggman are less adept with this reading thing it seems, so this is a lie.
Wisdom is actually a very good player. He will be bull headed and push on what he wants until we all assume it to be scummy, but that doesn't mean he is.

Getting scum vibes from aristo here.
See, Maru may be wrong, but when you call this a LIE you give it a connotation of bad stuff. This is mudthrowing.

I can get behind wisdom and aristo being of the same alignment
not as sure that's scum tho, cuz that's super obv. whiteknighting

of course I want to call him scum for calling me out like that but that's a horrible reason

You see, I think that last part comes out as self aware.

...and only scum are allowed to be transparent?

[Zyf]

v/la for next few weeks
expect some activity, just less
i currently agree w/ wisdom's leader choices

[Zyf]

*leaves for almost whole day*
*nothing happens*
*facepalm*

[Zyf]

Can someone please use the 1-shot already
There's, like, a circle of omguses (Aristo/Shos/Wisdom) and then there's Bulba being skeptic of /everything/
Actually
Is that a scumtell?

[Zyf]

I don't think that bulba opposing /everything/ is a good sign. It may not come from scum but I sure don't want it coming from my town leader
Y'know?

[Zyf]

Can alabaska j please be one of the town leaders
They're like, really rational and I like that they can far more OBJECTIVELY articulate their thoughts than anyone else right now

[Zyf]

^^ agreed.
Also, I saw that McMenno hurt me without any reason whatsoever, so I ISOed him and there really is nothing there to be found, so if someone could please hurt mcmenno, I'd be glad.

today's lynch should be either Wisdom or Menno imo.

What's wrong with Menno?
They kicked you from the fight?

[Zyf]

Also actually no a lot of us have saying to get you out of the fight
So Menno just did what others have been saying

[Zyf]

I just went along with

ze plan

I feel like shos is a good one to lynch today regardless of alignment so we can get some more insight into his and wisdom's interactions

No
You choose for scum, not for "information"
I only ever say this as scum, why are you a town leader right now

[Zyf]

additionally, you could have known that it was a fake if you read the rules, so that is misleading.

Maruchan's "test" was bullshit. After getting warned not to hurt, he fake-hurts and expects what, me to have read the rules and know it was fake? It was stupid.

The fact that you don't read how to lynch in a special mechanics game is bullshit
I thought maru just accidentally formatted it wrong in the context of the post was VERY hard to perceive, but you still don't have the right to think that you don't have to KNOW HOW TO PLAY

[Zyf]

good news is D2 is going to be much easier

>Creature implements unanimous-1 lynching mechanic
I don't know about that one

[Zyf]

today's lynch should be either Wisdom or Menno imo.

No, today's lynch should probably be you.

Or Maru

I don't think this is a good lynch

VOTE: Maruchan
VOTE: Zyf
VOTE: Eggman

Can you call my team

The cool kids

?

"Zyf ur scum for not realizing that someone was reaction testing and not just accidentally forgetting that the system for lynching in this game is different"
At least that's what I understand right now thanks to your COMPLETE LACK OF EXPLANATION

[Zyf]

in fact, if he respects you, seeing you do something that he sees as irrational would be a great reason to hurt you, as he knows you to be strong. those things don't add up and could point to scum in his mind.

Then he talks to me. He doesn't shoot me.

You did a great job of talking to maru

There shouldn't be discrimination here based on player relationship

[Zyf]

Can alabaska j please be one of the town leaders
They're like, really rational and I like that they can far more OBJECTIVELY articulate their thoughts than anyone else right now

Rational doesn't mean town. Scum can make sense too.

Too late now
But it's a lot easier to read alabaska's logic than that one guy who spams one-liners and just "does what town says"
*cough*

MENNO

*cough*

[Zyf]

I agree that that wasn't a very good first move, Ari.
Wisdom: do you have any reasons as to why we should lynch Alabaska today, instead of shos?
McMenno: That Hurt-only post to get us into 3-way. Why?

"Other ppl wanted me to" -menno 2016

[Zyf]

@Wisdom
Except he used the vote tag so it wasn't going to count
Hello?

6 town members left.

3 mafia members left.

Day 1: Walking the Plank

Everybody may choose one player to eliminate from the challenge (this can't be undone). Eliminated players can no longer influence the challenge, but they still can talk. You can use:

HURT: That guy you don't like

Hurt: That guy you don't like

If all players still in the challenge already eliminated someone, they may get another shot.

This challenge will last until there are only two players left. These players may then publicly pick 3 players (besides themselves) they want in their team. The player without a team will be lynched.

Rulesets:
- None. Take the time you want.

[Zyf]

do me a favor, getting aristo and wisdom out of the game is a nobrainer
mcmenno I don't know enough of, but that would be the way to go afterwards

OK LOOK ASSHATS
EXPLAAIIN or just stfu because I'm not going to care

[Zyf]

in fact, if he respects you, seeing you do something that he sees as irrational would be a great reason to hurt you, as he knows you to be strong. those things don't add up and could point to scum in his mind.

Then he talks to me. He doesn't shoot me.

You did a great job of talking to maru

There shouldn't be discrimination here based on player relationship

So you're suggesting I should ignore the fact I KNOW shos would be talking to me instead of shooting me in absentia because you don't have my experiences and can't understand my point?

Give me a game between the two of you where shos respects you
Then i'll believe you

[Zyf]

Can alabaska j please be one of the town leaders
They're like, really rational and I like that they can far more OBJECTIVELY articulate their thoughts than anyone else right now

Rational doesn't mean town. Scum can make sense too.

Too late now
But it's a lot easier to read alabaska's logic than that one guy who spams one-liners and just "does what town says"
*cough*

MENNO

*cough*

Yeah except you want town to live, not whoever you think is easier to read.

Except you think Alabaska is scum just for MAKING SENSE
And shos is scum for NOT MAKING SENSE
????

[Zyf]

@Wisdom
Except he used the vote tag so it wasn't going to count
Hello?

He used bold the second time.

...? Second time?

[Zyf]

Oh shit
I never even saw that posts
Never fucking mind your hurt was justified

[Zyf]

Are you even reading the game? First he used the vote tag, I told him he didn't use the correct tag and if he did it again with the correct tag, I'd hurt him. Then he did it with bold.

pedit: k

I was in a rush ok geez

[Zyf]

@Zyf

This is just people yelling and no opinions are going to change.
VOTE: Alabaska

Were getting nowhere.

Well i've at least explained /how/ my opinions /could/ change
Btw who have you chosen so far?

[Zyf]

@Menno
1) you didn't actually didn't respond lol
2) lmfao i thought that was your scumteam, and i didn't understand why yo were sr'ing me
3/4)

I just went along with

ze plan

I feel like shos is a good one to lynch today regardless of alignment so we can get some more insight into his and wisdom's interactions

Ahem

[Zyf]

Menno--Is there any argument against you that doesn't qualify as throwing shade?

[Zyf]

>thinks I'm calling them scum
It's not throwing shade, and it's not calling you scum
It's a "Menno start doing more shit" post

[Zyf]

let's just not focus on menno right now, bigger fish to fry before him.

I'll think about it after you flip m8
I mean I'm leaving rn anyway so see you all later

[Zyf]

Eggman I barely remember anything you've done in this game. Your ISO is pretty uneventful. I think our pair is the one that should go today.

i find it frustrating that you make absolutist statements like this without allowing for discussion beforehand.

Are you implying that eggman is scum?

[Zyf]

Eggman I barely remember anything you've done in this game. Your ISO is pretty uneventful. I think our pair is the one that should go today.

no he's only pretending to for towncred

^^^
Can I just say i'm very disappointed I (we?) did not become ZyfaZoor
catchin some z's man

[Zyf]

you make some good points

I think it's very likely that there's at least one scum in Bulbzyf and it will also give us more information

I don't want to lynch alachan j because maruchan is one of my top townreads and I don't want to lynch my own pair because well I know I'm town and I don't think it's worth it to lynch aristo over that

VOTE: Bulbazyf

fucking again with the information lynch

That's not a good reason to vote someone. You've done it once, you're doing it again.

[Zyf]

i can say this much
i'm NOT on board to lynch alabaska and maru there's definitely town coming out of there
they also don't speak like they're also interacting in a scum PT, which IMO is relatively hard to fake

[Zyf]

you make some good points

I think it's very likely that there's at least one scum in Bulbzyf and it will also give us more information

I don't want to lynch alachan j because maruchan is one of my top townreads and I don't want to lynch my own pair because well I know I'm town and I don't think it's worth it to lynch aristo over that

VOTE: Bulbazyf

At this point I think there is either 1 scum in every group but mine, or 1 scum in Eggdom, and a double scum elsewhere.

i can definitely believe bulba could be scum
if we're gonna sacrifice someone it may as well be a V/LA
i dunno where wisdom gets the idea that bulba's super townie, like I can understand maybe nulltown but not really past that

[Zyf]

we need to get eggdom first. wisdom supports his own lynch and as a townie there is no way that ever happens

unless you hate the people so much you wanna just nope the hell out
i still don't recommend doing this too quickly

[Zyf]

Someday people won't do accidental reaction tests
Someday

So...does anyone oppose this wagon?
Looking specifically at menno b/c everyone else has agreed afaik
Like the obligatory readlist tho
{Me}
{You}
{That guy}
Lol jk

[Me, Meyeself, Eye]
[AJ, Maru-chan]
[Aristo's paint]
[Onion Turtle, the egg delivery man]
[Menno's merchant company, the sage one]

[Zyf]

You say there's likely a scum in Bulbazyf. You don't explain why.

Menno does, however, explain why their voting
"Information"

[Zyf]

Zyf and Bulba are town.
Maru looks town.
Alabaska is still too rational for my liking.
Aristo has felt like he's buddying me.
McMenno and Eggman are scum.

Either Alabaska or Aristo for the third.

???
How the hell can you be too rational...
In a game about logic?

[Zyf]

zyf when you've played enough games you'll understand that when someone's too rational they're most likely scum. Townies play with more with feelings and passion and less with logic. Sure, there are differences between players, and that's why I can't be sure without having played with Alabaska before, but that's what experience tells me.

i don't really play with emotions unless i'm scum
so i disagree

also you still haven't explained why you think bulba is town

[Zyf]

zyf when you've played enough games you'll understand that when someone's too rational they're most likely scum. Townies play with more with feelings and passion and less with logic. Sure, there are differences between players, and that's why I can't be sure without having played with Alabaska before, but that's what experience tells me.

Like, you don't understand that I don't fucking care. If I think I'm lovers with scum I'll lynch myself in a heartbeat and that's how I've always played when I've been a lover. You can try and paint pictures where I'm scum and it somehow helps scum to get me lynched all you want, you're only making a fool of yourself. As if I'd ever sacrifice myself as scum with a win around the corner.

like I don't understand what the fuck people are doing here
everyone short of menno agrees that lynching WisdomXEggman is a good idea
including wisdom himself

and yet no one's voting

Wisdom let me ask you POINTEDLY-

Do you want your lover pair to get lynched?

[Zyf]

and yet no one's voting

You have been missing posts again.

Uh no i don't think I have

Do you want to be lynched?
Because you're doing 3 things that don't make sense together
First, you say you're willing to sacrifice to get scum lynched.
Second, you say you prefer a different lynch and vote them instead.
Then third, you defend yourself saying it's a good move as town even though it makes no difference whether you're town or not if you're sacrifice lynching because /you're willing to die regardless/

[Zyf]

fukin a wisdom
IN CASE YOU MISSED IT-

Do you want your lover pair to get lynched?

[Zyf]

zyf when you've played enough games you'll understand that when someone's too rational they're most likely scum. Townies play with more with feelings and passion and less with logic. Sure, there are differences between players, and that's why I can't be sure without having played with Alabaska before, but that's what experience tells me.

Like, you don't understand that I don't fucking care. If I think I'm lovers with scum I'll lynch myself in a heartbeat and that's how I've always played when I've been a lover. You can try and paint pictures where I'm scum and it somehow helps scum to get me lynched all you want, you're only making a fool of yourself. As if I'd ever sacrifice myself as scum with a win around the corner.

like I don't understand what the fuck people are doing here
everyone short of menno agrees that lynching WisdomXEggman is a good idea
including wisdom himself

and yet no one's voting

Wisdom let me ask you POINTEDLY-

Do you want your lover pair to get lynched?

I am not unhappy with an eggdom lynch but because of posts like these I would rather have a bulbazyf lynch

+bulbazoor hasn't tuned in yet.

lol at you calling out others on not voting while you haven't placed a vote yourself.

what wisdom's doing makes no sense
so maybe i'm trying to get something that BOLDED and UNDERLINED answered before I decide whether I want you lynched or him lynched

[Zyf]

Ok that's enough wisdom i'm tired of you avoiding my questions
VOTE: Eggdom

[Zyf]

First, you say you're willing to sacrifice to get scum lynched.
Second, you say you prefer a different lynch and vote them instead.
Then third, you defend yourself saying it's a good move as town even though it makes no difference whether you're town or not if you're sacrifice lynching because /you're willing to die regardless/

I will not stand and allow people who don't even know me to paint me as a noob or as scum. Even if I flip today, I will defend my actions.
And as I said, I don't mind getting lynched but I prefer McAristo, as McMenno is just as scummy as Eggman and I am not confident in Aristo being town.

>doesn't answer about bulba which i've now asked 3 times

Also there was technically only one vote on your team because eggman didn't do it properly
Again

[Zyf]

Ok that's enough wisdom i'm tired of you avoiding my questions
VOTE: Eggdom

Also I will ask zyf a question. Why exactly do you fos me?

Reading through your iso you remind me of a player who flipped scum

[Zyf]

I thought there were two votes and eggman's wrong one was the third, let me check

As for bulba it was gut based on some D1 posts but his alabaska defense is starting to worry me

1) no because menno voted me
2) gut is often wrong on D1

[Zyf]

Piss off with the ninjas jesus

[Zyf]

Or why can't he say that because Eggman is his buddy and he wants to subtly push the argument I'm bad town?

Based on your recent posts I'm starting to worry that you might be really bad town...

did I hit the jackpot?

If anything that makes me feel like you're scumbuddies

[Zyf]

You just defined lurking here. Barely any info except bullshit fillers

Lurking is not being active. Not posting. Proddodging. Not aligment indicative.
What Eggman has done is post bullshit. And contradictions. Scum indicative.

Differences.

Thor calls that "soft lurking"
It's up to your own definition

[Zyf]

Intent

?
What are you looking for, it's a nightless setup.

[Zyf]

The point here is Alabaska is trying to argue I'm pushing a "lurker" for "lurking" and it's impossible for town to want to lynch themselves just based on that. Which is bullshit because I'm pushing a scummy player for scummy things and I'll give my life anytime if someone I believe is scummy is going to flip with me. Whether Alabaska is trying to paint me as scummy so I get lynched or is trying to make me look like bad town so we don't get lynched and his buddy Eggman is saved I don't know. I know Alabaska is scum.

What am I supposed to do if you flip scum

[Zyf]

Intent

?
What are you looking for, it's a nightless setup.

right

VOTE: Eggdom

if this is a town-town pair I will eat a sandwich

To clarify before you miscontrue things again

I wasn't telling you to rush (quite the contrary I wanted eggman to pop back in), I just needed you to clarify what you were looking for instead
Which is evidently nothing

Also eating a sandwich is a reward if anything

[Zyf]

I doubt the game will end given the mod's "the game doesn't end until I say"

@Creature-What is scum's win condition?

[Zyf]

Wait you're telling me that I'm gonna lose for having to be elsewhere when the next day started?

[Zyf]

Well that does change things. Can anyone else confirm?

Not sure what menno's referring to
So unconfirm

[Zyf]

Maru is town
Alabaska is probtown
Aristo is null but has to be scum by poe
Bulba is gutful scum
Menno is both an asshole and scum

[Zyf]

the part where he assumed scum couldn't talk while that PT was open, because in the mod post it said you could only talk in that PT. but then we asked creature, adn it WAS open. scum wouldn't have mentioned it.

I disagree
I do that stuff as scum a decent chunk of the time

And maru's the type of person to do super early reaction testing so I def. wouldn't put it past them

[Zyf]

Menno is both an asshole and scum

While I think this is of possible likelihood I can't figure out why scum would roadblock nonscum.

Because they trust you to townblock them without being obvious

Yo

@Creature-It's one nomination right?

[Zyf]

Lmao
Ur using a phone aren't you

Considering the fact that we don't know if this is ACTUALLY lylo, Menno could expect you to townblock them in return wihout receiving as much heat

Whoever you townblock don't townblock menno
Please

We even have conftown who suspected menno

[Zyf]

Maru is town
Alabaska is probtown
Aristo is null but has to be scum by poe
Bulba is gutful scum
Menno is both an asshole and scum

You have a scumread on a guy who just townblocked your top townread when scum could force a win in that scenario? I think Maru/menno has to have town in it or else we would have lost already. I think it is hilarious that zyf/bulba was prob a double scum lover pair and they were the ones wisdom had pegged as double town. Honestly if we had just done the opposite of what he suggested at every stage...

I think zyf/bulba/aristo is the scum team. Feel pretty good about that. Maru could be scum, but I think menno is likely conf town or the dumbest scum ever. Or Maru is a jerk for not hammering already and drawing it out pointlessly

Can scum force a win? Cuz I don't think they can considering the game Creature has in place

@Creature-Is this LYLO?

I have a scumread on a guy who townblocked my top townread because they seem to have a good relationship that could get menno a slot in townblock to nominate a scum partner
Because afaik scum needs 2/3 to force a lynch, not 3/3. Since we don't actually know if game will end with this lynch, scum can't assume an easy win

Menno also hammered double town
Like with little to no hesitation

Eggman also asked for people to share reads
Obviously everyone other than you and me isn't interested in that

[Zyf]

if I were scum

Equally bullshit as your information lynches


I'm very surprised that you haven't called me out on the bait I set

[Zyf]

if I were scum

Creature put in place a system where tying with town doesn't win scum the game
I wouldn't put it past them to do something like "if town guesses other town they get modconfirmed and win"

[Zyf]

woops

mod won't answer that. keep flailing, scum.

You know what
Fuckin do whatever the hell you guys want
Go ahead and lose I'm not playing a game where I have a disadvantage for having to go out

When I flip scum I'll go ahead and just quit ms yeah?

[Zyf]

woops

mod won't answer that. keep flailing, scum.

You know what
Fuckin do whatever the hell you guys want
Go ahead and lose I'm not playing a game where I have a disadvantage for having to go out

When I flip scum I'll go ahead and just quit ms yeah?

are you doing ate lmao

No I have to go out again so since I'm OOOOBVIOUSLY scum because IRL is a thing I'm just letting you know I consent to my own lynch

So go on and do that
Oh wait
You're not a townblock

Eeh i'm sure you'll be townblock as soon as maru gets back which I'm sure will happen again in the next 5 hours I'm gone

[Zyf]

Zyf you need to read the mod posts. If scum make us unable to lynch them, we lose. Pretty clear this is lylo. Pretty clear you are scum

Town technically isn't able to lynch scum if it's 3-3
Just saying

You're still going to lynch me


Hey maru
Vote Alabaska
And alabaska
Vote Menno


Not even trolling anymore

[Zyf]

I'm not gonna answer that
Just like you did to me ALL GAME
What a shame that somehow still makes me scum

Because logical posting is flailing and illogical posting is AtE

I've got to go like really bad now

I'm sure I'll be officially SE by the time I come back

[Zyf]

sorry I made you salty scum

You're town for being super blind in that I've set up 3 different occasions for you to make me confscum that you have either not seen or ignored

[Zyf]

Damn i didn't get to pass wisdom

[Zyf]

Bulba and aristo are both indeed scum

[Zyf]

did you literally just throw the game

They're obviously both scum
Because I'm obviously that stupid
And I've obviously done this before and used my partner in it
>Newb 1710

[Zyf]

did you literally just throw the game

They're obviously both scum
Because I'm obviously that stupid
And I've obviously done this before and used my partner in it
>Newb 1710

None of the following are true
Therefore this is obviously a wifom and they are indeed my scum partners

[Zyf]

Goodbye.

[Zyf]

this is hard in that townhunting is so much harder than scumhunting. at this point the only thing I'm sure of is that bulba is probably scum. aristo is possibly scum, and of the three rest of you i just cant berilgkerhsdo.

mcmenno has to be town, or scum with Alabaska J, for me to get townblocked 1st spot.

if menno and j are scum together, that means I SHOULD be safe giving xyf or aristophanes the townblock.
however, if menno is town, that means J is just a strong townread of mine, and I put them both in the likelytownpile, meaning I HAVE to townblock one of them, or we're screwed.

Literally menno put me in the worst possible scenario at this point. I HAVE to completely decide on a scumteam that I have confidence in BEFORE i chose to nominate someone to townblock, or I'm fucked.

the only problem is zyf's emotions *seem* real? I mean that can be easily faked, but idk. and I DO see what everyone has been saying against menno the whole game, but I also feel like menno wouldn't have been the one to question mod about Scum PT open/closed during the Cool Kids election, if he was scum. THe whole interactions in the CK PT and the subsequent reactions to them paint mcmenno town and zyf scum. Because zyf didnt seem overtly concerned one way or the other to discuss the scum possibly having PT access (as scum he would know they did so wouldn't give a fuck), and din't even see that (faked or not) me pointing out I THOUGHT it was locked was either townslipping or attempted fake-townslipping. He had to be pointed out how it was townslipping. Which again, paints him slightly scummy.

Also, his lack of noticing certain large interactions early game point to him being willing to skim the thread, which is something I am personally more prone to doing as scum than town. Which again points his scum.


and now after the last 3-4 posts of zyf's I have to go back and ISO him soon. I'll make a decision before I go to bed, but not right now.

But his frustration just comes across SO genuine.

and no matter how scummy menno is I can't get him being scummy to paint alabaska J scum to me. He's just been like the sole voice of townieness. However if alabaska is town, menno like HAS to be town to have given me the first shot, which means I can't give anyone else a townslot, and I can't see 2/3 of the scumteam being lurkers.

I don't consider your "slip" worth anything
Because I do it as scum as a fake slip and others do too
I play scum meticulously but that's worth as much as menno saying "if I was scum"
So go ahead and do whatever the hell you want

[Zyf]

You skimmed. O also0said you not noticing it as possible fakeslip was scummy. You had to ask what slip menno meant.

I figured that's what menno was referring to

I also said I'm less prone to skimming I'm scum

Why have you not made a decision slowpoke

[Zyf]

VOTE: alabaska j

Thank you

[Zyf]

Pick menno
It will totally work out
//

[Zyf]

My only two townreads are townblocked and scumreading me so short of alabaska picking me I'm dead regardless of who gets picked
So you all can go do whatever the hell you want I'm not going to bother posting anymore

Aristo is scummy from that post btw

[Zyf]

Someone please kill me

[Zyf]

Yo
I have a great idea for LYLO if you ever run another one of these creature
Theme is "dumbest way to die"
Basically you have to vote in private (votecount is released once per day with no names on who are the voters on a given person)
The goal is to not have the second most amount of votes by the end of of X days, because after the limit second-most voted is lynched

^^^From dead thread

@Menno no so go suck a

dick

thumb
Be sure to read dead thread tho asshole

[Zyf]

I did, and I see that you are still a little salty.

also, if you blacklisted me for what I did in this game, I feel like your blacklist will grow a lot larger, to the point of not being able to join a game on this site without a blacklisted player in it, and then the prophecy will be fulfilled.

I wouldn't be if you weren't egging me to quit ms just cuz you were right

[Zyf]

Cba to argue you it's not worth half of either of our times

[Zyf]

Thanks for the game you all!
This was really entertaining. the 3v3 day was crucial, it was extremely bastard though because whoever got the first one had to get it. if scum got it, autowin; if town got it, they had to nail at least one townie anf this would make these two conftowns immediately.

Thanks for modding Creature!
Zyf if you mod something alike(do that! why not?!) I'm in

To mod it's like 6 months right?

[Zyf]

You can mod an open or a mini normal already around August 26th.

>school
Lol

[Zyf]

3/4 were bs no matter what
If i could have stayed 3 more minutes scum would have won EASILY

[Zyf]

if you can see the timestamps you can see I instantly nominated maruchan when the mechanism was posted. so, no, you wouldn't have.

I was spamming reload
So i mean