Micro 639: Noughts and Crosses Blitz [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

I have a lot of strategies and I'm town; don't kill me first, thanks

[Dunnstral]

If we lynch IC today:

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Scum nightkill: (it matters if they pick a corner or not)

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[] X []
O [] []

In this scenario scum is basically "making us" not pick the upper right slot. and we wouldn't at least not yet
Scenario lynch and nightkill:

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[] X []
O [] []

X [] []
[] X []
O [] O

This is interesting as it simultaneously means we HAVE to pick the lower middle slot, or else scum wins

So in this scenario, we have two lynches, one of which is on an ic, so really one lynch, but we also have a forced scum nightkill (even if it's on another scum member, or else town wins)

But then town is forced to kill someone. Worst part is, if that someone isn't mafia, pretty sure the game just ends there (as town can no longer win in that scenario)

Along the way, mafia have tons of opportunities to influence this. So this route is a NO-GO

If instead we did:


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X X []
O [] []

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X X O
O [] []

Then it actually works
If mafia kill someone who is not a corner instead, here are the scenarios:

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O X []
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X [] []
O X []
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X [] []
O X []
[] [] O

This works too


So what's my point? Depending on whether mafia kill

in the corners

or

not in the corners,

they directly manipulate the towns voting, within certain groups. HOWEVER, town also gets to force mafia to night kill specific people more than once

[Dunnstral]

It's no good to figure out how to force the Mafia to kill who we want if we never figure out who we want.

The scenarios I've provided require quite a bit of thinking, and you'd need to think of a

group of people

you suspect, rather than just individual people

I know it comes off as very analytical which might seem strange from me (I also know you weren't necessarily talking to me)

[Dunnstral]

I think I liked the plan where we lynch the ic though. I want to lynch luna fox and java joe, and force scum to kill alpacaalpaca and atm

Lane I don't understand - you're voting me because you don't want to die instead of actual scumhunting?

[Dunnstral]

Lurkers gotta lurk I guess

Well nobody really cared to respond to what I wrote and I instead acquired votes

It looks like we're not lynching the ic which means I don't like any of the other plans

I need to think about what outcome is best

[Dunnstral]

I want to lynch both Luna fox and Wingback. Lynching the IC is like our only shot at that

[Dunnstral]

Additionally, if we don't lynch mcmenno now, scum can force us to lynch him later, or lynch another player, with just 1 night kill

VOTE: mcmenno

[Dunnstral]

Actually that's wrong, I just ran through the scenarios again

I still think this is our best bet. Because we can do:


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O [] []




O [] []
[] X []
O [] X

Something like this. Followed by:

O [] []
X X O
O [] X

Which is ideal.

[Dunnstral]

I'm only willing to lynch mcmenno, luna fox, or wingback today

[Dunnstral]

I'm still going for a corner, good Tic-Tac-Toe is no excuse for bad Mafia.

Then we give up the tic tac toe aspects for town if we don't lynch in the center.

VOTE: Luna Fox

[Dunnstral]

Lynching the IC would just make scum shoot Lane if he's town, and he's one of the people actually contributing to strategy here =/

This is pure buddying. She doesn't mention me because she wants to lynch there

[Dunnstral]

Lynching the IC would just make scum shoot Lane if he's town, and he's one of the people actually contributing to strategy here =/

This is pure buddying. She doesn't mention me because she wants to lynch there

Because im not townreading you.

So why are you townreading someone else for doing a lesser version of what I'm doing, but have no comments for me?

[Dunnstral]

Basically what Wingback just accused Javajoe of; you're doing the same thing.

[Dunnstral]

Here's how I want to do it, Lynches in Blue, Nighkills in Orange:

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

After the first lynch-nightkill cycle, beginning of D2:

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

I think lynching me is pretty optimal here given who I want dead. After the second lynch-nightkill cycle, beginning of D3:

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

D3 lynch is forced on Javajoe. Scum kill Lane (worst case).

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

Town can lynch Umlaut from there.

Assuming I'm right about Lane/GL/Luna being town of course which I'm fairly confident about. If not, whoever's left in LYLO should be able to figure that out better. But I really want Alpaca and Java to hang, the former for total lack of contribution and the latter for opportunism. Maybe Dunnstral as well. I thought he was scummy but probably not in a scumteam with Javajoe.

And if scum don't nightkill mcmenno?

[Dunnstral]

I wantg java dead too tbh

No opinion on alpaca

I'd be willing to lynch in a way that luna/java joe both die

[Dunnstral]

What are you talking about and why are you feeling guilty?

well i feel like im having more fun playing the MMORPG

What game

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn - Are you still for lynching mcmenno?

Probably not

VOTE: JavaJoe

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Luna Fox

Then get her and java next.

[Dunnstral]

two more votes, folks

Are you always this bad or is it just the ic thing

[Dunnstral]

Willing to do options 2 or 4 with the luna fox lynch.

[Dunnstral]

You started posting

[Dunnstral]

You came in townreading luna (without a real reason) an scumreading me (the leading wagon, no reason)

I liked that you called java out and you did a lot of analytical vote

There's a lot of town motive to ge tluna fox and java joe lynched.

[Dunnstral]

@Dunnstral; What are your thoughts on all the players? Do you have a list of reads?

I've given thoughts on everybody. At least indirectly

Guiltylion and Umlaut I'm fine with an ddon't want to kill

Lane and alpaca and Wingback are about middling (too many people are giving a freebie townread to Lane)

Luna Fox and JavaJoe need to die before anyone else can be sorted. (Or they're just scum)

Mcmenno isn't trying

[Dunnstral]

Untrue

[Dunnstral]

I'm in an awkward position advocating these plans since all of them leave me alive

No it doesn't- because you guys are killing luna fox then java joe

Or just give up tic tac toe and lynch java joe outright

[Dunnstral]

Lynch Dunn first, then anyone but Luna.

Don't listen to umlaut.

[Dunnstral]

Glad I got called out for:

A. wanting mcmenno dead day 1 (which would have instantly won us the game on day 2)

B. wanting to lynch javajoe and "messing up the tic-tac-toe" (Which you guys messed it up anyway somwhow

If you guys had stuck to the order and lynched javajoe instead of that (frankly dumb) vote on cass (enen if they were mafia) town would have won the game