Hi! I've read most of the game (up to page 14). It's kinda sad it's still on the same page as when I replaced in.In post 359, eagerSnake wrote:Aristophanes, entrance, please!
I have to reread this section as it is the part I skimmed most tbh. I should have an answer in short time, but I want to get this post going so we don't scramble at the deadline.In post 376, BTD6_maker wrote:Possible, but to be honest I think DarkLight is more likely scum. Aristophanes, what do you think about DarkLight and GuiltyLion?In post 373, eagerSnake wrote:Anyone out there think this is TvT
I know this was about my predecessor's replace-out, so I don't really have an answer, but this is a misrep. Accountant RNG'd which game he would replace out of. This is the one that came up. To put anything more into it is claiming things we can't know. If they said this is the reason for replacing out, why are you claiming Accountant was "running away from you"???In post 384, Vedith wrote:Accountant won't want to be confronted by me because Accountant knows that I don't let up.In post 383, Ümläüt wrote:You are suggesting Accountant's replace-out is strategic. In particular, since this is a "strong, strong sign of scum," you are saying Accountant is a person who replaces out when caught as scum. This is a pretty serious accusation. Are you planning to report him for this? Or, as I suspect, are you just full of shit?
Reason Snakes idea was so appealing, me gone from the game means talking their way out of it.
I'm really not full of shit, and I know that Accountant is making up an excuse here, for the reporting side, it would be brushed off with the fact of "Accountant said busy blah blah" so yeah nice try there kiddo!
Challenge me when you actually know what you are talking about.
So since Accountant is scum for sure, next agenda is, who's the buddies?
Well it's not X40 (DarkLight) or ASP, could always be GL.
GL knows I like to be buttered up, calling me town is like giving a bunch of flowers to your other half (spoiler - It makes me suspicious as fuck)
I don't have any meta with him, no. I was in a Hydra in a game with him in it, but I didn't read much of the game. My read on him is not based on Meta, but on his posts. It is possible, as you say, that this could be his playstyle I guess, but I would rather read him on this game alone rather than this unknown, unconfirmed meta you have on him.In post 387, Ümläüt wrote:Do you have meta with BTD, Aristophanes?
I only have one game with him, but based on that he's just acting like himself. I'm wary because he's the sort of player who could get away with active-lurking as scum by having a meta of active-lurking as town, but I'm going to have to wait for associatives before I can get a read there.
I find it odd that the first thing Vedith jumped to was distancing. I don't recall him having a scumread on Eager at all, and this associative is really halfassed.In post 397, Vedith wrote:I don't read too much into it yet. Can be distacing, can be pushing an easier looking target, regardless I'm not worried that you're scum right now.In post 393, eagerSnake wrote:What do you think of calling Aristophanes calling me scum Vedith
I would like to know what Ari thinks about my read on his slot.
I also don't give a shit if you leave your vote on me or not.
After. That's why I was delayed in posting once I replaced in, and why I hadn't fully read up at that point.In post 409, Vedith wrote:@Ari, did you read the game before entering or after?
No problem, but I'd appreciate if my own play could be evaluated. I know it's getting close to the end of the day, but I as I said to Vedith, I can't and won't defend against my predecessor's play.In post 417, DarkLightA wrote:Sorry Aristophanes. Scum.
What part of this looks like he's running away from you??In post 435, Vedith wrote:Because I know I'm right.In post 434, Aristophanes wrote:I know this was about my predecessor's replace-out, so I don't really have an answer, but this is a misrep. Accountant RNG'd which game he would replace out of. This is the one that came up. To put anything more into it is claiming things we can't know. If they said this is the reason for replacing out, why are you claiming Accountant was "running away from you"???
I doubt you would come into the game and go "Oh yeah actually, I'm caught"...
In post 318, Accountant wrote:Hey all:
1) #317 is silly and I don't understand the case on me like at all?
2) I have to replace out. Newbie game queue moved faster than I thought it would and now I'm overgamed with exams coming up. Sorry to have to do this, guys. I used an RNG to determine which game I would replace out of and this was it.
Sorry, I'm dumb right now. Gave both what?In post 438, Vedith wrote:I actually gave both, and in the same comment I said that I'm not worried about him as scum. Learn to read.In post 436, Aristophanes wrote:I find it odd that the first thing Vedith jumped to was distancing. I don't recall him having a scumread on Eager at all, and this associative is really halfassed.
As for your read on my slot, it doesn't seem very thought out. For one thing, you call us scum for his replace out. This was null at best.
Most of the rest of it seems to be just tunnely after you decided we were scum in 243 with no real elaborations after that. I get that you made a D1 case and want to stick to it, but to tunnel it is a bit much.
I don't really know what else to respond to on it. None of it has to do with my own play.
Just wanted to know, does that worry you?In post 436, Aristophanes wrote:After. That's why I was delayed in posting once I replaced in, and why I hadn't fully read up at that point.
Why is this relevant?
I'm not going to say that at all. Accountant explicitly stated that they were going to wagon people if wagons arose, so most of his pushes were obviously going to be on easy slots. And I'm not here to defend his play. I only brought up the replace out because it's a blatant misrep and holds no water, and somehow nobody cares.In post 439, Vedith wrote:The whole replacing out.In post 437, Aristophanes wrote:What part of this looks like he's running away from you??
Please point to something specific.
I expect next you're going to tell me that your other body wasn't trying to easy pushes.
Not to worry, that makes your sense.In post 442, Vedith wrote:I'm tired, my wording was wrong there.In post 440, Aristophanes wrote:Sorry, I'm dumb right now. Gave both what?
And no, it doesn't worry me. I'm just curious how it affects your read on me.
I gave both scenarios. Bussing or being pushed. I even said I'm not concerned there. Do you think I was calling him scummy or actually accusing him of being bussed there?
It does have an impact on my read to you. I was just wondering if you realised you were taking a scum slot or not.
The "nobody cares" was stating that nobody cares you're misrepping the replace-out, not that nobody cares about your case. I'm glad you're scumhunting, your focus is on the wrong slot though!In post 443, Vedith wrote:Well, I care, and since I'm the one scum reading you, I should say it.In post 441, Aristophanes wrote:I'm not going to say that at all. Accountant explicitly stated that they were going to wagon people if wagons arose, so most of his pushes were obviously going to be on easy slots. And I'm not here to defend his play. I only brought up the replace out because it's a blatant misrep and holds no water, and somehow nobody cares.
Would you prefer I kept quiet and didn't explain my thought process on you and Accountant? I understand that you don't want negative focus on you.
So you admit that the pushes were easy. What do you think on ASP?
And what are your thoughts on GL?
That's true, of his posts, that was probably his most towny assertion. I'm not townreading him for it, but it is an indication of his thoughts.In post 447, Vedith wrote:Well hopefully he'll pick up more soon. I did like the post of him telling me not to use meta to read him as town. That was pretty towny. I noticed no one gave him credit for that.
GL I'm just not sure about. I mean, you say he's scum hunting but look at his willing to lynch pool...
Not to worry, I'm heading out myself. Looking forward to reconvening!In post 449, Vedith wrote:I'm going to bed, but I'll do a re look tomorrow.
Okay, let me reread DL. I know your scumread diminished on him recently, but could you give me a quick post on what still bugs you about him?In post 459, Ümläüt wrote:Everyone, we have 24 hours left. I'm not willing to no-lynch. The wagons are DarkLightA and Aristophanes. Pick one.
Vedith is clearly town and ASP is MIA. What made you "decide" they are scum?In post 470, eagerSnake wrote:Okay, I've decided.
Scum is ASP and Vedith.
But nobody will listen to me so VOTE: DarkLightA
Why would we vote based on your evidence before reading your evidence?In post 493, BTD6_maker wrote:Read Open 642. (Vote first, though).
We have time!In post 504, BTD6_maker wrote:Not necessarily. Even a purely random lynch is better overall than a No Lynch,
Probably nobody, as you did mention wanting to save it.In post 603, DarkLightA wrote:Before I reveal this I'd like you to guess. Who do you think I targetted last night?In post 600, Aristophanes wrote:What was your action last night DLA?
(I'm serious)
This isn't how the Babysitter works btw. Scum had to target BTD that night in order for Vedith to die as well. It's like a reverse Hider.In post 712, Ümläüt wrote:Man, I'm looking back through Accountant's ISO and Istillcan't see him as scum.
I actually got paranoid for a bit and went to look through Snake's ISO again as well, but while I suppose it's just barely possible that Snake would hard-bus his partner for two days straight, I can't see any reason he would want to shoot Vedith and then DLA, when Vedith was townreading both him and ASP and DLA suspected literally everyone but him. (If I were scum in Snake's position I would likely shoot Lion instead.)
(Too bad, because we don't get to make stupid ASP/snake puns)
This was amid a deadline scramble and wasn't kept there long. Throwing a vote onto a partner there is excellent distancing without risk of bussing. He made the vote, but didn't push it in any way! He just kinda threw it out there willy nilly before jumping to the next biggest wagon!In post 729, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 482, Ümläüt wrote:Sigh. Not loving the vagueclaim in a setup where Mafia hard-fakeclaiming is dangerous.
But I doubt you're getting lynched today, so JI'll just say I'm looking forward to seeing either that proof or your swinging body tomorrow.
VOTE: Aristophanes
I don't love this wagon but it's better than GL.Ari I want you to convince me that scum!Umlaut would have any motivation whatsoever to do this, otherwise I'm like most definitely gonna vote youIn post 483, Ümläüt wrote:Wait, Vedith already left the Aristo wagon, so I can vote whomever I want.
VOTE: A Simple Plan
Do I have to tell you how ridiculous this point is? Because it is.GuiltyLion wrote:also like if I squint really hard, this feels like you knew he was rolecop already and were hoping he'd be able to pass it off like town rolecop later. Like it reads like you've already been thinking about how he can "show his alignment".In post 448, Aristophanes wrote:As I said, I wouldn't vote ASP today becauseI think he will show his alignment later on anyway
Does she live in Canada?In post 735, Ümläüt wrote:A Møøse once bit my sister...
This is hard posturing. He is saying "ASP is scummy" without saying it, and trying to goad people into townreading the slot (either so he can scumread them on "associatives" or to avoid the lynch). It appears that Umlaut had little faith in ASP and decided to set their distance up early to avoid complications.In post 105, Ümläüt wrote:Hi, Mav.
I'd like to know who if anyone is townreading ASP right now and why. Obviously if you think he's town you should be trying to keep us from mislynching; but just as importantly, if his wagon goes to a lynch unchallenged, it will be hard for town to draw much associational data from it regardless of the flip.
In post 128, GuiltyLion wrote:This is a good way of concisely expressing what I was trying to say earlier.In post 126, Ümläüt wrote:To clarify: "too easy" is okay as an argument against lynching someoneright now(because we need more discussion), but not as an argument against lynching themthat day.
As it stands, I have no idea who 0x40 and Mav are scumreading. Lycanfire also seems to be coasting. And if ASP is town it'd definitely benefit the game for him to be more involved as well.
If you all are that convinced that ASP is scum already then try to find his partner. I don't have a solid stance on ASP but that's mostly because it's early and he hasn't done much at all, and there's several other players that haven't rung town to me yet either.
He totally disregards the mention of ASP and focuses, once again, on 0x40, who is probably the easiest counterwagon to push at this point.In post 129, Ümläüt wrote:I can't move my vote to 0x40 because it's already there.
Hey, 0x40, do you have any opinions on anything yet?
This is either an extremely badly faked reaction or scum frustration at their partner being let out. Or both. Probably both.In post 627, Ümläüt wrote:ASP, this is why you DON'T DISAPPEAR IN THE LAST FEW HOURS OF THE DAY
In post 739, Ümläüt wrote:I wish I could tell you "Here's a super awesome reason you should just go ahead and hammer Aristo," but I don't have a super awesome reason, just PoE (which is obviously a bit easier from my position with a conftown who isn't me).
I guess if you're 70-80% sure Aristo is scum, you might as well voteif you don't see any argument changing your confidence by more than 20-30%.
The first is a call for GL to hammer me and end the game before I can respond. This Is Scum!In post 741, Ümläüt wrote:I'm kind of unnerved that Aristo hasn't actually voted me. Either he thinks there's a serious chance that Snake is scum (and I would love to hear that case if so), or he's holding out for a chance to quickhammer whatever wagon pops up.
Wait...it was you this whole time Eager!?In post 760, eagerSnake wrote:hahahahahahha lol
Yeah, this alwasnt an easy thing to push man! XDIn post 782, eagerSnake wrote:For Umlaut to be scum it would have taken a very long and difficult explanation of how he had planned every move since the beginning of D1 and taken every townie thing he did and turn it into a scum thing he did to look like town.
