Micro 634 - Wolf Hunt [Game Over!]

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hi!

VOTE: Accountant

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I saw that Accountant had the biggest wagon so I joined it!

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Yeah, I'll pass on that one!

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VOTE: Pistachion

L-1.

Will read the game later.

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We are not lynching until you comment on the game

Do i have to?

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OK. Soon, I'll get to this game and help y'all out.

Time to get serious.

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UNVOTE:

Only up to end of page 3 but gaining reads thick and fast!

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Alright, I'm caught up!

I have some town reads, some null reads and some scum reads.

Man, I'm so good.

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VOTE: Tier

I'm good with this.

Would also lynch Lycan.

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You've made some bad assumptions Umlaut and I'm pretty sure you're town so I don't wanna get into it with you

I'll explain later when I'm on PC. But I'm definitely not sheeping and I'm definitely not voting for Pistachions reasoning.

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Why Lycan?

I disliked 48 and don't believe it for a second. I further disliked 57 - I have no idea how Lycan got a 'frustrated town read' on Chaos from him merely questioning the vote. Where does the 'frustrated' come from? It just feels like scum forcing reads and I dislike it. I was stunned that nobody had even questioned 57 because that set off serious red flags for me.

I disliked 101 - I don't understand the unvote on Accountant or the reasoning behind it that follows. 128 is similarly as bad, I don't like the vote on Lowell. The voting pattern just doesn't make sense to me. They seem to go with the flow of the game and then as a wagon builds he jumps onto a new one. Could be scum trying to avoid staying on major wagons or it could be town trying to develop reads (though I don't see the latter happening). The votes and reasoning just don't sit well with me at all.

Bbt talk to me why are you voting me?

Sure.

I initially liked your push on Accountant. However, I feel after your first push, Accountant explained herself pretty well and I felt like that should have been the end of the matter. I didn't like how you were justifying the read after the fact (using the light town read she had on Carey to further your read) because I felt the same as Accountant and I feel she explained it pretty well yet you were happy to continue pushing her. 62 is where the push stopped making sense to me. This is the main bulk of the scum read - I really disliked that Accountant push. In saying this, you then suddenly leave Accountant and start a new wagon on my predecessor - what happened to the Accountant read?

After this, I also dislike the vote on Pistachion. I feel good that Pistachion is town and so your vote irks me - especially after initially town reading her and then 're-reading' and deciding you didn't like her after all.

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Couple of other things;

I don't like Accountant letting a newb-town read on her slip by. I'm also questioning the validity of her Umlaut scum read.

Carey, why must one of Tier/Pistachion be scum? Why exactly one and why those two?

I have no read on Chaos - if he continues to play this way he will be an excellent vig shot/investigative choice.

I don't like Lowell's push on Umlaut.

Pistachion and Umlaut are my only town reads. I thought Accountant could be town but the above problems prevent that read developing.

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Oh yeah I didn't believe accountant to be scum after he explained that he found not taking chances to town it up a strong towntell

Why does rereading and coming to different conclusions 'especially' make me scummy?

Except that you continued to push her and only moved on after the wagon started disbanding (when Lycan moved onto CMM).

Because the read makes no sense to me.

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What do you need to think about Umlaut?

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Cool, look forward to seeing you voting Tier in the near future.

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Firstly, the things you're talking about are not mutually exclusive and can exist without the other one.

Correct, Accountant responded to Tier's accusations well. The things Accountant have done that prevents me from scum reading her are nothing to do with what Tier was scum reading her for. You're town because I have liked a lot of your posts.

Accountant could be scum, she could not. I haven't seen enough to decide yet. But this doesn't negate the fact that Tier's push went on way too long and made no sense after Accountant had defender herself well (which Tier appears to agree with).

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Why is that important?

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Talking about scum reads is much more important - why do you think they're scum?

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182 should tell you Umlaut is town.

Tier's read on Pistachion makes no sense - I don't get how Pistachion 'awkwardly' ignored your wagon. Like how was it awkward?

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Can you talk some about why you were happy to let people newb-town read you?

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Because, as scum, you would welcome any town reads, no matter the reason. I feel as town you would be more inclined to question a read based on something you know to be false.

Maybe Pistachion wasn't interested in your wagon? How does that make Pistachion 'awkward'? I just don't understand that at all.

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How many people commented on Pistachion being run up to L-1 in four consecutive posts?

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That post would have been excellent if you ended it with a vote on Tier!

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Generating activity is not alignment indicative. It's just as important for scum to look like they're doing things as it is for town to move the game forward.

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Vote him then.

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Thoughts on Tier Accountant?

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You should vote him to help develop that read Accountant.

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Lowell has been prodded.

Can we get a VC please Mod?

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What makes you think it's a strong read?

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Man, it's hard to lynch Tier.

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I mean, if Chaos/Tier are scum then Chaos doesn't have much choice soo....

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I don't see the point in interacting with scum.

None of my reads are stale. Keep trying to discredit me though

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Wow, wagon from nowhere.

Will read up properly later today

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How far away is deadline?

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Town is far too divided. I can see this ending in a no lynch.

I'm not moving off of Tier btw.

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Tier needs to be today's lynch.

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Accountant, why not Tier?

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That Carey wagon is UGLY!

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VOTE: Tier

Seems pretty straight forward.

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Yeah, I didn't like the Carey wagon composition but I also thought he was town.

It was mainly Chaos/Tier that I disliked on the wagon.

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I had read the rules.

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No, I just wanted to lynch Tier above anybody else

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It might look bad.

But what is the scum motivation behind it?

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Alternatively, as scum, I would want to be on a wagon that countered the Carey wagon, correct?

So why would I stubbornly refuse to switch wagons if my buddy was about to be lynched?

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I'm not sure what you're talking about Umlaut?

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Tier, you could easily have been bussing and not expected the Carey wagon to take off.

Lowell was already at L-2, so if anyone wanted to vote a lurker they could have chose Lowell. You openly admitted it was another lurker wagon which basically discredited your own vote and threw shade on your own wagon (hoping it wouldn't take off?). Scum!Tier would not have expected the Carey wagon to grow as it did and it would have been a safe distancing attempt for late-game had you pulled it off.

Also, why am I town?

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I have something to say about the above but I want Pistachion to respond first.

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UNVOTE:

OK, so Tier is town.

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VOTE: Lowell

I can do this.

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Great.

Let's talk about them.

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They did?

Which posts are you talking about?

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Sorry guys, been super busy lately.

Will get to this as soon as I can. I still only have a couple of strong town reads, so I'm working with a pool of 4 people or so.

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My strong town reads are you and Tier.

I need to reread the rest to see how I feel about them.

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Like I said, I need to reread to be sure but yeah, I was town reading Pistachion. Chaos looks OK as well so I think its between Lowell/Lycan for me.

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Mod, V/LA until 3/9

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VOTE: Lycan

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I think we need to lynch Lycan.

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Like, I think lynching Lycan/Chaos wins the game so I'm not too fussed how we go about it.

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I mean, I never use meta but obviously you have put some effort into that.

I'm fairly certain Umlaut is town, like 98%. I'm like 79% sure that Lycan is scum and would much prefer to lynch him before Chaos.

I think lynching Lycan wins us the game.

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I think you should leave your vote on.

Lycan should be returning and realising he is under serious pressure.

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Why is mhsmith scum Lycan?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK...so you're saying because he has (in your opinion) a bad case, he is scum?

Anything else?

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Is there anything else for him being scum?

Because town present bad cases all the time and meta is subjective.

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I look forward to Lycan being hammered and winning the game.

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You're right, I haven't.

But I'm pretty sure you and mhsmith are town so if it isn't Lycan PoE says it's Chaos.

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We can save that conversation for another day.

I feel like Lycan is scum just waiting to be hammered.

You should do the honour Umlaut.

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Why is that Lycan?

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And the scum read on mhsmith has...disappeared?

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If he is scum, why does Umlaut not just hammer you when he has the opportunity?

It looks like you're trying to save the mhsmith lynch for LyLo.

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Lynch Umlaut, kill me, vote mhsmith w/ Chaos = a win for you.

Umlaut, you really need to hammer Lycan.

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No, but I want to win the game.

Is there something else you're waiting for?

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Huh.

If Lycan is town, it's prob mhsmith.

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I'm just realltmy sure that Umlaut is town. If he is scum, colour me impressed.

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Where did he slip?

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Nah, that's not a slip. Scum!Umlaut could have easily just hammered and no questions would have been asked.

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Nice, good job town.

Not too bad at all.

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Yeah smith, if only for a short amount of time.

I suppose meta has some use, but like you say, anybody who is self-aware of their own meta can easily manipulate it.