Micro 640: Perfect Cherry Blossom (Game Over)

[GreyICE]

Unvote

A vote for Vedeth is a vote to lynch town.

zMuffin and me continue our blood pact that we can't share a win condition. He's got the shoot people at night one this time around.

Willing to lynch muffin or Edosurist. Not willing to lynch anyone not those two. Any questions?

[GreyICE]

Grey why is edos scum?

Blah blah mod sent him a red role PM.

But seriously:

Hi GreyIce.
I'm willing to sheep others who think you're town for now.

VOTE: Vedith

That post is a scumclaim kthxbi

[GreyICE]

dunno, not sure hed pose as a mason as scum

why not? i thought it was a joke he didn't know when to give up (until people basically forced him to)

what's he done that's actually town?

Bus Edos.

I won't let you live anyway.

But... oh god, I really don't have an incentive here for you do I?

[GreyICE]

Vote: Edo

[GreyICE]

Yes Muffin, getting you lynched at the squeak of deadline is impossible. What I am doing is putting you on the radar of power roles. And I'm perfectly fine with that.

As for why Beeboy is town, obvious green role PM is obvious. First post of his would confirm it to town-muffin. Edo dies today and you can't at all save him.

[GreyICE]

Note to power roles: once we lynch Edo which scum is solo carrying this game? Wisdom? Vedith? Whatever your read is? Or Muffin?

Just saying, I know who I'd target, even if you have a stronger scumread.

[GreyICE]

You got me scumbutt. No way I could possibly tell he's obvious town off one post. He's actually my mason buddy, so now you have an extra reason to shoot me. Aren't you happ happ?

Now quick wolfman, to the Greyhoundmobile!

[GreyICE]

Hey Beeboy, I know zMuffin is scum. Not disagreeing with you. But look at this epic fence sit:

Luna, it looks like you're townreading me, pie, DLA, Vedith, and maybe beeboy (it's hard to tell cuz you haven't said anything on him since lolmasoning).
Am I correct in understanding that you'd vote between Muffin, Wisdom, and TNE?

P-Edit: Ohai

This guy has turned fences into a park bench.

Ok, I'm honestly kinda nervous about the activity this game. We have less than 48 hours in the day.

Can we have Muffin, Luna, and beeboy make votes and TNE do literally anything?

VOTE: thenewearth

This is the sort of helpful-useless post that doesn't do a damn thing.

Do you like meta? Well sure: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Find one time in that game he weakly votes someone because "they're useless". Come on, give it a shot. And looking at the player list, well, you decide if they were all useful players.

Work with me here Beeboy.

[GreyICE]

you know if the deadline hadn't been extended by 24 hours, greyice would have essentially replaced into a game and lurked until the deadline

as is, it's over 40 hours since he posted in a game he

just

replaced into with a deadline looming

I actually requested the deadline be extended 24 hours. Had I not requested that I doubt the mod would have extended it. So make of that what you will. Also I'll give you a cookie if you track down some reason I might have been distracted from other threads on site (not ongoing games~).

kill Edos
Desperado Edos

Welp. Bye guys

Bye scum!

If its any consolation I'd really like to play a game with you where you're town.

[GreyICE]

Edo, if the Desperado was real you'd have no reason whatsoever to claim a damn thing if you were town. It wasn't just the first bit, it was the second bit that really did it, because you're thinking of what to do if it is faked.

Anyway, nah, I'm good on thoughts. I think you and Muffin are scum, I think Muffin is desperately trying to make this me vs. him without commenting on you at all, and I think everyone else is town.

[GreyICE]

Quality of thoughts. Although the rate of posting change in response to me voting Edo should give you some hints too

[GreyICE]

@Grey
Do you have anything to say in response to 399? I know you think I'm confscum but just humor me please.

Okay, here you go:

1) "Why did I highlight those two posts" is hardly a good question. They're examples of why I'm voting for you. As you yourself point out they are similar to many other posts you made. This is true. They were simply two of the better examples of the behavior I was discussing.

2) Okay, you don't like my use of meta. Fine, w/e. I don't really care. Although then you go and find other games where you accuse people of being useless, entirely missing the point. Although the links are enlightening. In the scum game you use "useless" and "not productive" as primary methods of scumhunting. Shall we play the example game? Well, why not. This amuses me, and I don't really care if your scum game improves as a result:

Subject: Micro 509 - Guyett's Greater Idea Mafia

Considering the activity and that we have 6 days,
VOTE: A Simple Plan

Subject: Micro 509 - Guyett's Greater Idea Mafia

I got ASP for scum, and Xay has been way too inactive, which naturally makes me suspicious.

I'm willing to buy Draynth's claim cuz of how genuine it was.

I'm also willing to see both Draynth and TIP as town for the first quote chunk and response of 352. Other than that, TIP has just had me confused.

tl;dr - I'm too tired to actually think this through, but thought I should give it some effort. I'll check back tomorrow.

We can see here you're easy to vote on general inactivity and uselessness.

Now lets move on:

Town Game 1

Subject: Micro 508: MafiaMafiaNotMafia (Bins' Soup Sucks)

Are you just going to lurk or are you going to try to do something about this. Nobody is active in this game, and we've been waiting far too long for anything from chamber.

Why do you think chamber is too much of a setup?

That's your useless post. You peck and prod. A few posts later you say chamber is too much of an obvious mislynch, then you swing back.

As for the second, that's even funnier:

Subject: mini 1410: mafia in the unknown (game over!)

DGB, do something useful for once. You've denied my request for an actual case against me. If you aren't going to cooperate, hammer Konowa. rofl said he would vote him, but he's not here right now. I don't think he'd mind if you hammered.

An hour left to deadline and DGB won't hammer? Yeah, that's pretty useless, and this is a town reaction. It's not concerted feelers on who the softest target is.

But this is mostly irrelevant. I voted you for your behavior here, the meta just confirmed you typically have thoughts about the game and aren't one of those annoying (and thankfully rare) players who just pushes based on whoever they dislike the most.

[GreyICE]

<- Am town
<- Think this was stupid
<- Willing to be pulling a Titus/Drixx, but don't think I am
<- Not willing to yell at people when what's done is done and I still need y'all to work with me.

Last time when we killed Muffin my plan was to argue I'd never kill Muffin, it would too obviously implicate me. Just pointing this out if I'm dead tomorrow for people. Please pay attention. You can check undertale mafia where I went out using a suicide cop on one scum while implicating the other remaining one in my last post. Or you can just go "oh hey, muffin".

Edo is confirmed "mislynch day 1 beats scumlynch day 1, who the fuck cares day 2 kappa we got one of our three?"

[GreyICE]

But yeah, this was one of the sadder mislynches possible.

I'd at least get Vedith.

[GreyICE]

I confirm I had ass music played at me last night. It was ass.

Now who for the love of Christ shoots DarkLightA? Bus Driver? Redirector? Because I can't fucking think of a sane reason that's who the scum shoots.

[GreyICE]

Like I mean yeah, Edo, scum, great.

Who the bloody fuck shoots DarkLight

[GreyICE]

Beeboy

You're a desperado, right?

So why ain't one of you or Edo dead at the moment?

[GreyICE]

Well clearly I wasn't being impressive town. I was pushing to lynch Edosurist and Muffin, and here I am alive.. Of course I replaced in with about 24 hours left and even with the extension I asked the mod for it wasn't exactly a bundle of time. Plus, distractions.

So anyway Vedith, you parked your vote on Wisdom yesterday. Being wrong is no sin, but now that we've left the tunnel, I can't say that you've particularly done anything productive at all.

1. There are no guarantees about any alignments pre-flip
2. There is more than one scum

Both reasons not to tunnel D1

Okay, so tell me, is it only me and Luna that are scum for you?
Think we are scum together?

I don't think Luna is scum btw. Try and sell me if you like.

Scum fruit vendor? Really?

It's pretty plausible. Although I doubt Edosurist would have made such a deal out of it as scum.

VOTE: Luna

So Vedith, wanna chat with me now that I don't feel a crunch?

[GreyICE]

Oh yes I would have shot me if I were scumteam here. But then I'm probably better scum than them too. I'd definitely have shot one of me or muffin if both of us are town, the chances of us just rolling the scumteam is too high (SADLY MUFFIN ISN'T TOWN FFS RNG CAN YOU PLEASE WORK OUT BETTER SOMEDAY). And I'd definitely have shot Pie, pie is a good player who is widely town read (as opposed to DarkLight who screams 'this guy can be mislynched in LyLo' like it's his job). Of course Pie ain't lynching Muffin and that's a part of this, but I do wish to be certain I understand what happened.

Now I normally take asshole as a town tell, but that only goes so far. There's an implied question there Vedith. Answer it.

[GreyICE]

vote: Edos

I am not in any mental state where I can do more right now. I will be back probably tomorrow.

Edos dies today either way.

Nah I don't think its that cut and dried.

Now his full claim was kind of fucking awful.

And he should fix that.

But I got a fucking music box at night, which means he's not wrong about his shitty music fruit vendor stuff.

And my math says the person who shoots DarkLightA is Vedith

[GreyICE]

And also there's this burning curiosity of why he wasn't shot by the claimed Desperado.

[GreyICE]

But Luna is town.

Oh well, I'm p. sure you're town. But man the Edo shot would have fixed so much today. I think Pie might actually be right and we have to lynch him.

But I still feel like the DarkLightA shot points to us missing something, and the man who makes that shot is Vedith. Especially if Edo is town who derped super fucking hard and its Vedith/Muffin, which... wouldn't be the worst I've seen town derp. That still goes to the player who claimed to be alignment confirmed lovers with flipped scum. Muffin probably lets Vedith pick who to shoot, figuring that an Edo flip will discredit me and he's kind of itching for a rematch in the shouting contest now that I'm town and he's scum.

[GreyICE]

DLA was the sort of consensus town read who day 3 turns into "wait why do we have him as town?" You've played in enough games to see those day 1 town reads shatter into a mislynch when the paranoia gets going. More to the point he wasn't going to ever push the game in any particular direction, meaning the scum were more or less okay with the direction we're moving in.

And Vedith spent day 1 tunneling Wisdom to the exclusion of all else and day 2 has turned on someone who he had as town. And I can't help but looking at these posts and thinking... "Hmmmm..."

Now it could also be Pie. But holy fuck man that Luna vote is straight outta nowhere.

[GreyICE]

You claimed Luna was town day 1. Straight up town. Not even hesitation.
You have a naked vote on her. This attracts interest.

Fill in the blanks for me? How do you get from point A to point B? And don't use the logic "that's what Wisdom thinks", you thought Wisdom's play was so bad yesterday that he was your sole scum suspect to the exclusion of all other activity. If he was spending that time posting good posts and making good logical points that you like then lucy, you got some 'splainin to do

[GreyICE]

Vote: Vedith

You really have no idea how happy I'd be to lynch you for being a troll. If you are town then make a fucking effort. You hard pushed Wisdom all of yesterday. You got what you wanted. So we have a good barometer of your "gut" already.

[GreyICE]

Grey why is Luna town?

Scum doesn't make this post:

beeboy just hard claimed scum and ppl want to lynch pie
What sort of bizarro world is this.

Muffin is the scumz here Beeboy, Luna just thinks your play is schizophrenic. Probably because your play is skitzo and I agree with her 100%, I just don't want to lynch you because I think you're town.

[GreyICE]

Hey guys, show of hands, who has Vedith as strong town?

We've got a claimed Desperado and Edo really is a fruit vendor (or me and him are scum together, but if he flips scum not-fruit vendor then I'm a very stupid person who will be lynched very quickly). Is it a scum ability? Maybe. But there's only two scum so we'd have to have a pretty weak town if one of them is a bloody fruit vendor.

I don't think Vedith has any reason at all for a Luna vote, he's just been looking for bandwagons to ride.

[GreyICE]

"Help his reasons are such actual shit, how did he catch me with them?"

But seriously Muffin, who shoots DarkLightA and why? Why would anyone do this thing?

[GreyICE]

your answer to that is "muffin"?

You're not puzzle solving, you're scumplaning about my thoughts. I don't think your ego is so fragIle as to collapse under the weight of being suspected in a mafia game.

[GreyICE]

your answer to that is "muffin"?

You're not puzzle solving, you're scumplaning about my thoughts. I don't think your ego is so fragIle as to collapse under the weight of being suspected in a mafia game.

im interested in seeing how you try to justify me being scum with this tangent you're going on with the DLA night kill. because so far all you've done is try to claim im scum who had no input on the kill, which is about the only way you can pin it on me, but seeing as you're apparently so very aware of what i do as scum, you should already know how very little sense that makes

there's no "collapse of ego" and i find it funny that you're trying to suggest that the only reason id point out the absurdity of your "well i cant actually think of a good reason muffin is scum or why muffin would make that kill so im just gonna say he's scum with someone who might have done it and had no input" argument is that my ego is collapsing under the weight of your very damning accusations

"not puzzle-solving"? what? because im not indulging you in your night kill analysis? i don't do night kill analysis. the only time i really ever use it is when im scum, actually. i don't find it helpful to the game state in any way and i don't think that any conclusions you can draw from a single kill are going to mean much, because even in the event those conclusions were correct, it's more likely a lucky guess than a solid argument.

of is "not puzzle-solving" a blanket statement you're using for my overall play? because if so, you have more than enough time in this day phase to break down my posts and talk about what you don't like. your excuse yesterday wàs "not enough time". what's your excuse now?

Here, lets break it down into the simplest possible terms.

Not Voting:

beeboy, zMuffinMan, Edosurist, Luna Fox[/area]

Fucking break down your posts. Okay. You're playing like this is a game of hockey and you're the goalie trying to deflect the puck before I land it in the fucking net, that's why you're scum Muffin. You're just waiting to see which way the town breaks here before you decide what to do.

It's not even hard, everyone can see it. Well, assuming anyone is still reading this game.

[GreyICE]

I really want Luna to explain why she didn't lynch Edos yesterday >.>

Beeboy. She saw confirmable, she has a 2015 join date. That's what happened.

Normally I wouldn't be harking on about this but I don't want you blowing yourself up pointlessly when there's a certain muffin-related poster that could die. No, not Katsuki, that's cupcakes. Although for the record I favor shooting Katsuki.

I'll tell you what, I'm wrong here and I'll lynch whoever you want after these messages.

Vote: Edosurist

We have 5.5 days to deadline. He's VLA until Sunday/Monday, aka 5/6 days from now. The moderator has decided to accept this ridiculous idea for some reason. His claim didn't even include a role name with flavor as to why he's singing at me. The first flipped role was loud, meaning it probably announced in some way when it was done. The reaction yesterday was bad, I liked him to as scum before that.

These are all fine reasons to lynch.

[GreyICE]

Am I correct to assume if Edos flips scum I should just accelerate us into mylo by shooting tonight because someone will vote me?

I'm not planning to vote you, less compelling reason otherwise.

Some sort of town killing role makes a remarkable amount of sense with a bulletproof.

[GreyICE]

{Pieguyn, Luna Fox, Muffin} are the ones I am worried about.

Pie makes zero sense as an Edosurist scumbuddy.

[GreyICE]

Hey Pie, I know you were asked and I know you are just answering, but god that post.

Edo is scum, y/n?
Muffin is scum y/n?

I have you as a strong town read based off numerous things, especially the fact that there's just literally no way you and Edosurist are scum together based on the early game stuff, while him and Muffin played off each other in a particularly ugly way, but... hmmm, maybe I should just showcase this if I wake up dead tomorrow.

[GreyICE]

Okay Pie, I need to sell you because I need someone to win this after I die.

am i town?

Yo, guy. You gonna make a vote?

no. it's my 18th birthday in a couple days so i'm gonna wait til i can do it legally

Muffin gives that answer as either alignment. Not that. I want to play a followup game.

Free pie to the next person who votes Pie

I'm going with Vedith as scum too

K. DLA is town to me.

VOTE: Vedith
FTR I still think pie is scum.

UNVOTE:

It scares me that neither of you two are on vedith's wagon.

Does this still hold now that the two "conftowns" have given up their mason claim?

[To Wisdom]

Solid anti-town play right there

Willing to vote TNE if she's going to continue doing nothing.
Not feeling the luna wagon. I've got a null read on her.
Pie is town.

In all seriousness, I appreciate Grey being in this game. He keeps it real.

I think at this point I'm ok parting with Luna. Maybe Wisdom. Not feeling Vedith so much anymore. I'll put some thought into it later tonight.

VOTE: Luna Fox

Also, @beeboy
Your vote comes in 397, but your reasoning appears to start after 399. Explain.

I see that makes sense I guess I should have held onto that accusation for a bit longer then because right now I am not sure what to make of the "I was waiting for GI" statement z.z

Sorry I hate doing this, but could you restate this please :3 A little punctuation might help.

Lets go in order

Pie
Vedith
DLA
Wisdom
TNE (/me)
Luna
Beeboy

Huh, that's seven players.

Hey Pie, do you see someone who he poked extremely early in the game, who told him complete nonsense and from who he bought this total nonsense and barely ever mentioned it again? In fact this was the only mention, buried in the middle of a pile of names.

Can we have Muffin, Luna, and beeboy make votes and TNE do literally anything?

VOTE: thenewearth

If Edosurist is scum and I'm dead tomorrow Pie, I need you to connect the dots. Last game was last game. This one is this one.

[GreyICE]

Yes, muffin is dead on. Announce your target. Muffin is okay with you shooting him and so am I. I am so supremely okay with muffin being shot you have no idea.

[GreyICE]

I literally have no idea.

However I'm perfectly content having two scumreads in a 9 player game where scumread number 1 went "I'm dead" in response to a public desperado post.

[GreyICE]

Like, I guess the right answer is anyone who has a goatee, since we're in mirror universe.

[GreyICE]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery Muffles~

I guess my imagination doesn't stretch far enough for you to win

[GreyICE]

To own up to a mistake I would first have to have made one~

[GreyICE]

Smell the bus you're about to have to throw your partner under? You could earlier today. Toss him in the cooker and he cracked~

Although I doubt Edosurist would have made such a deal out of it as scum

the only reason edo is still alive today is BECAUSE he made a big deal out of it

he basically scum-claimed in response to the desperado thing and to cover it up he claimed some role that was both confirmable and town to live through the day

Although I'm impressed you were posting stuff like that without a vote.

Hey, feel free to sell people on my scumminess for this hypothetical future where your death doesn't end the game. I feel totes fine using my day 1 scumcatch to

coast to LyLo

spend all my towncred on your death

[GreyICE]

Ten bucks on trolling

[GreyICE]

Also I'd note that exactly two people in the game have perfect knowledge of yes or no on trolling.

So they can make conditional plans with knowledge of which way the conditional is breaking.

If I'm dead tomorrow town I need you to do the right thing.

[GreyICE]

God muffin how the hell did you talk your way out of this.

Fine, kill yourself on Luna, IDC. Just gonna have to get scum lynched the hard way.

[GreyICE]

Yay Math! Interesting muffin. No talk now, pop!

Pop! Mathblade, you are up. This is a popcorn claim. Usual protocols.

[GreyICE]

Gotta claim flavor math.

Yuyuko, VT

Pie

[GreyICE]

Hey math

A for effort and all, and yes, I'm impressed.

But you've been confirmed scum since the day started. Sorry.

[GreyICE]

Waiting on Vedith. Dum dum.

[GreyICE]

Like I mean I like you and all but there's just no way you're town.

It's not even your play. Muffin, sad you didn't pick up on it. V. Sad. If you're town we'll have a little chat but I feel like it's big enough this is bussing. And lets face it I'm a train in a tunnel, leaving the tracks is not my nature.

[GreyICE]

Anyway they're scum and... err... yeah, I need to confirm Vedith's role but if it is then this is just a lynch and 3P LyLo.

[GreyICE]

Like honestly as compelling as some of this stuff is and as cool as the muffin reach out was and all. Like. I haven't read much after Beeboy's flip and y'all's claims and you really should know why.

[GreyICE]

Anyway, waiting on Vedith

[GreyICE]

Juuuuust waiting on Vedith since it matters.

[GreyICE]

I mean 99% it doesn't but why blow 1% when this is freebie?

[GreyICE]

I'll post tonight

JUST RUKKING CLAIM

[GreyICE]

Really I thought there was literally no way the town had a protective role left after the flips. Like no way, that's why I called it 1%.

Okay, now there's a chance the scum didn't shoot Beeboy. Fuck.

[GreyICE]

Like does a protective role even make sense here? That's 4 town power roles out of 7 townies?

[GreyICE]

I mean granted Music Vendor is a literal non-role...

[GreyICE]

Okay, town bulletproof plus jailkeep...

[GreyICE]

Plus Desperado...

This seems off.

[GreyICE]

1-shot bulletproof plus jailkeeper is a matrix six setup vs mafia roleblocker. Desperado gives the double protective roles some level of meaning (they're normally meaningless, it's a weak matrix 6 setup). Question is how much our esteemed mod would enjoy "fixing" a bad matrix 6 setup with flavor and passing it off as a theme setup.

[GreyICE]

Answer to make puzzle work is 1-shot mafia strongman and I'd call the setup balanced. Wouldn't trust any jailkeeper results, whether on me or anyone else before that flips.

Huh, no, I can live with this being the setup. Doesn't mean I like it, but... lemme mull.

[GreyICE]

Really I thought there was literally no way the town had a protective role left after the flips. Like no way, that's why I called it 1%.

Okay, now there's a chance the scum didn't shoot Beeboy. Fuck.

...

No. Scum shot Beeboy. That is the only thing that makes sense unless you believe in a micro there is another PR that redirects.

There isn't enough beer in the world for that GreyICE.

Vedith is just scum.

Beeboy is never shot by scum in a world where you're town.

Luna is town!

Beeboy is in a tunnel, dangerous in LyLo. If you shoot one of the two other townies (pick 1) there's a chance beeboy shoots (game ends) and if you don't you bring in a guy whose sole contribution all game was to complain about how boring it was, and want to shoot town. Either of them is a fine mislynch.

Luna is scum!

If Beeboy fires, then we are in 3:1 today if he isn't shot. But wait! He's a full desperado, and 2:1 is NOT game over. He gets one last shot to fire, meaning scum have to be townier than BOTH other townies. Almost impossible, and Beeboy would be confirmed town if Luna-scum died.

[GreyICE]

also 1-shot desp and 1-shot bp is just shit in a setup by themselves anyway

against like 2 goons that's not even a good amount of power

Well I mean obviously its a shit setup. And music vendor doesn't even really count as anything. But it looks almost like an okay setup if you don't quite know what you're doing. Full Jailkeeper though... god that's a lot of power here. I mean that Matrix 6 is closer to balanced than I'd like because town jailkeeper is such a good role at low player counts.

[GreyICE]

This is crap.

Again I already explained before.

You are not this bad GreyICE. I had sads.

No, it's actually exactly true. And the fact that you had an explanation prepared for the exact person the scum night killed at start of day is not exactly a point in your favor.

About a billion points against your favor honestly.

It's like "oh yes that guy that got night killed here's why it doesn't implicate me"

But that's just... really not a town reaction at all.

But now there's no guarantee the scum didn't shoot me and Beeboy didn't shoot you. Because that actually makes sense.

[GreyICE]

Lol 2 goons v 7 townies is balanced without power.

Math you're a good friend. So I'll say this once. 11 townies vs. 2 scum is balanced. We're missing two friggin lynches between that and 7:2. Two friggin lynches is a lot of lynches to be out.

[GreyICE]

I mean not mathematically balanced because muffin is really right about 17:2 about being mathematically balanced.

But this is an artifact of the fact that you're so fucking unlikely to lynch correctly at 17:2 that the first few lynches end up barely adding any percentage points at all to it.

Really 11:2 is fine mathematically with okay levels of scumhunting, but it does tend to end scum-sided... oh god this debate is really bad.

[GreyICE]

beeboy said he wasn't shooting on a town flip iirc

And Beeboy also said "I don't have to claim shit if it's LyLo"

And that line was true. Because if he yells "YOLO" and fires we don't get to do anything about it whether he's right or wrong.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, err... so have I. The 7:2 should be about a 30% town win percentage from memory, it's horrifically low. And a Desperado, Music Vendor and bulletproof.

I'm inclined to believe Vedith. So did Beeboy shoot. That's how this breaks down. I'm kinda leaning no. I mean he still wouldn't have to tell us shit... unless he missed and a jailkeeper caught the real bullet.

[GreyICE]

Because if he yells "YOLO" and fires we don't get to do anything about it whether he's right or wrong.

yeah, except (a) i doubt he'd bet the game on his shot if he weren't going to shoot n1 in the first place (which he really should have done) and, (b) the possibility that a situation like this occurs where there's an alternative explanation for the death makes it a fucking dumb thing to do

You still don't target a townie who has done nothing but whine and tunnel town and claim a role he never used going into LyLo. Do you? I mean admittedly Beeboy was the only person who anyone would slot as firm town I guess, so maybe you just figure he's a named townie and you might as well shoot, but I'd still rather shoot like anyone else if Luna was town and I was scum. He'd be so easy to sell on a Luna vote.

[GreyICE]

I... I want to agree. But now it's not free because what if he did do that and you shot me? It's now plausible and that makes me sad.

I nearly want to divide the middle and lynch pie but I'm not sold this isn't bussing - the right play here is to bus them super hard. LyLo busses have good success rates, very good.

[GreyICE]

So wait we're being asked to choose between someone I don't think is town and someone who is practically confirmed town based on roles?

[GreyICE]

Also face to face mafia is like stupidly town favored thanks to how hilariously easy it is to read people in face to face.

Like seriously I don't think Lexi has ever been wrong. Ever.

[GreyICE]

Like Pie

In what universe does a 1-shot bulletproof a 1-shot desperado and a town music vendor constitute acceptable level of town power

Like to me Jailkeeper is an extremely strong role so if you're like "it all has to be VT" but then someone comes in and claims a super strong power role then... this would not logically follow.

[GreyICE]

To me this is clearly Matrix 6, probably with 1-shot strongman and roleblocker or rolecop as the mafia prs.

But like "I want to lynch a PR claim" is really half ass

Reason I did popcorn is I wanted the confirmed townie.

[GreyICE]

So Vedith has to 100% jail me then.

He absolutely can't change his mind mid night phase. I expect what will happen is no kill>lynch me>I'll call who he jails in return for his shitty shitty play (and make fun of his failboat) and then we can win.

I kind of want to lynch him just for being a shit player. The Jailkeeper makes so much sense though.

Anyway um... hmm. Pie+Vedith is the only possible scumteam if Math is town? And...

[GreyICE]

Um, I'm town ftr

[GreyICE]

Eh w/e

I'm the only person guaranteed 100% to live through tonight if Math is scum, so if Vedith is dead tomorrow I'm confirmed town and y'all can suck my dick, and if he's alive I'm getting lynched anyway, and then I'm going to tell Vedith who to jail as the only confirmed townie and y'all can suck my dick.

Unless this is a bizarre crossbus by Vedith and Math, and if so... well played. Well fucking played.

[GreyICE]

Welp this town self destructed. I'll never get the day 1 wisdom lynch, or the friggin scumslip. ARGH

Math... please never balance setup spec again. Ever. I love you but... damn. This is two games now where you've been in different universes from reality.

Pie/Muffin, well played.

[GreyICE]

it is unfortunate that the blood pact prevented us from ever sharing a common goal, greyice - i've always thought you were one of the strongest players i've played with and i would have liked to roll town with you

Hey, never say never, right? I really like playing with you, and you're a damn strong player on either side.

And I'm sure you'll be back. SpyreX and Magna returned, it's a black hole, you can never escape~

[GreyICE]

GreyICE sorry I misread you. You too Vedith

No worries, I misread you. Should have stuck with my Luna read and ignored the kill. You were dead right on Pie's play being super weak, just leave the setup spec to me (and yes Muffin too, his is also super good even if he was scum)