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Post #17 (isolation #0 ) » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:08 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:08 am
i wrote this while failing to get to sleep
also ego post
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Post #35 (isolation #1 ) » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:34 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:34 am
am i town?
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Post #39 (isolation #2 ) » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:49 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:49 am
no. it's my 18th birthday in a couple days so i'm gonna wait til i can do it legally
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Post #52 (isolation #3 ) » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:40 pm
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:40 pm
beeboy makes a good point
if pieguy's scum, im sure she considers beeboy the biggest threat in this game. he seems like a very capable player who would be frightening to play against as scum
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Post #59 (isolation #4 ) » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:34 pm
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:34 pm
beeboy might be scum tbh
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Post #60 (isolation #5 ) » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:39 pm
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:39 pm
maybe
eh
not feeling this
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Post #68 (isolation #6 ) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:21 am
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by zMuffinMan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:21 am
i know what a mason is... they build things out of stone and stuff and belong to a secret society
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Post #69 (isolation #7 ) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:23 am
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by zMuffinMan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:23 am
why are you voting pie, dark?
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Post #71 (isolation #8 ) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:23 am
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by zMuffinMan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:23 am
ok. y
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Post #81 (isolation #9 ) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:26 pm
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by zMuffinMan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:26 pm
i would like it if pie showed up and made me feel all warm and fuzzy about pie
i would like it if beeboy talked about something other than pie and the ins and outs of making things with stone or whatever material he uses
i would like it if ms fox did something more than show up every now and then and call someone town
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Post #82 (isolation #10 ) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:55 pm
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by zMuffinMan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:55 pm
this is L-1 by the way, in case anyone tries to feign ignorance with a "whoops, i hammered"
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Post #135 (isolation #11 ) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:09 am
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by zMuffinMan » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:09 am
busy today, post tomorrow
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Post #185 (isolation #12 ) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:30 am
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by zMuffinMan » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:30 am
oh, gee, that's so nice of you. i want you to know i took a photograph of this post and framed it on my wall, so that i'll always remember this day
when do you think you'll get around to talking about why you think your town reads are town?
i don't think edosurist has done anything particularly town but he also hasn't really done anything that makes me think he's scum, so eh
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Post #186 (isolation #13 ) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:39 am
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by zMuffinMan » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:39 am
In post 127 , Edosurist wrote: My initial vote on pie was just cuz !!wagons!!, but then this made it serious.
In post 32 , pieguyn wrote:
I am, I'd just rather watch and observe what shakes out of it by itself than going out of my way to question it.
if you want to explain it then by all means go ahead.
i thought #32 was an awkward post, mostly because it looked reactive (in an "oh, shit, i should have said something about that!" kind of way)
otoh, beeboy's reason for voting pie was a pretty fucking shit reason
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Post #187 (isolation #14 ) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:42 am
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by zMuffinMan » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:42 am
it also has a very appeasey feel to it, if that's a word (and if it isn't, it should be)
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Post #188 (isolation #15 ) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:49 am
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by zMuffinMan » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:49 am
In post 132 , pieguyn wrote: I find that a lot of the time if I start jumping at shit in RVS it does nothing but cause a huge distraction... I find it equally as effective for my own reads to just wait until people start doing things I find significantly alignment-indicative
since when? my impression of you has always been that you like to be in the centre, generating discussion. i don't think i've ever seen you take a back seat
does this mean you're town-reading wisdom?
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Post #189 (isolation #16 ) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:00 am
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by zMuffinMan » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:00 am
In post 138 , DarkLightA wrote: However, he explains his vote as being based in the more recent fake-hammer. To me this seems opportunistic, like he's looking for scummy behavior to justify his vote rather than scum.
i don't really think it's all the strange for a player's initial joke read to develop into something more serious, so this seems pretty weak
e.g. everyone who voted pieguy in the early pages (including yourself) said it was initially a joke that turned into something more serious (albeit, early pages and nothing super strong)
In post 138 , DarkLightA wrote: Or me: he accuses me of rolefishing in
66 , and ignores it until after the whole L-1 thingy, when he picks up on my scent again.
Note this, it's important:
he initially doesn't care about my response, but after he's pressured, he asks me to justify me vote on him. I respond, and suddenly he sees me as scummy. To me it seems like he's justifying his suspicion of me (He says "The only reason that my vote isn't going on you instead of Wisdom now is because Wisdom's fake reaction to my lynch.") with the rolefishing post... Read through his posts there,
66 -
97 , there's nothing to change his opinion? Is he threatening to vote me because of
96 ? That's a weak reason if I ever heard one.
my impression of the whole thing was vedith going back and looking at who was voting him, seeing your vote, questioning you about it and deciding he didn't like the way you responded to him (96)
i thought the fishing thing was more in jest than a serious accusation anyway
i dont really think vedith is scum
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Post #190 (isolation #17 ) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:04 am
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by zMuffinMan » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:04 am
In post 171 , beeboy wrote: DLA I am not a mason with Luna btw just so you can scum hunt normally.
wow, what a shocking turn of events. did not see that coming
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Post #191 (isolation #18 ) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:06 am
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by zMuffinMan » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:06 am
ok i just realised pieguy said almost exactly what i said in #173 but i'm just going to pretend that pieguy is sheeping me
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Post #192 (isolation #19 ) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:18 am
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by zMuffinMan » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:18 am
In post 181 , beeboy wrote: I would not say this is an information heavy game, half this game is shitty mason discussion.
yeah, fuck, sorry about that - that's completely the rest of the game's fault, they're so dumb for continually making you repeat "why are you questioning a mason?", "why are you voting a mason?", etc instead of playing the game
In post 184 , Wisdom wrote: pie feels a little off compared to magical girl mafia but it might just be me
she feels more aggressive than i'm used to her being
not sure what to make of it so far, so i'm kind of just waiting to see where she goes from here
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Post #236 (isolation #20 ) » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:35 am
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by zMuffinMan » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:35 am
will be around later today. work kicking my ass to get some things done asap
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Post #268 (isolation #21 ) » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:37 pm
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by zMuffinMan » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:37 pm
yeah, didn't realise the deadline was so close, whatevs
Vote: beeboy
gonna read recent stuff properly after i get dinner
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Post #270 (isolation #22 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:43 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:43 am
why?
In post 215 , pieguyn wrote: I'm curious to know where you're getting this impression of my play from.
why does the paragraph that follows this line have nothing to do with my quote? i suppose it's meant as a response to what i said about your early response to edo? if so, meh - i'm not so interested in that apart from the fact that i didn't really like your response to him
also i meant that your play feels aggressive not in the sense that you're pushing things strongly and whatnot but in the "grrr grrr im gonna eat your soul and spit it out because it tastes bad, don't cross me" kind of way (e.g. your early approach to beeboy), which isn't something i'm used to seeing from you
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Post #271 (isolation #23 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:51 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:51 am
eh, vedith is probably town but the points about wisdom aren't particularly strong regardless of wisdom's alignment
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Post #272 (isolation #24 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:58 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:58 am
In post 250 , Wisdom wrote: I never checked what L- you were at, i took zmuffin's word that you were at L-1.
heh. *shrug* while i'd like to claim it was some genius reaction test or something, i actually thought you were voting vedith already - i got edo and vedith confused in my head so i legit thought it was l-1. i originally thought you were trying to do some dumb fake-hammer with your vote already on him, then when i realised he was at l-2 i went back and thought you were doing some dumb fake-hammer with your vote not already on him
i don't picture you as the sort of player who just hammers p4 of a game because someone was daring you to
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Post #273 (isolation #25 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:00 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:00 am
why do you think beeboy is town, wisdom
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Post #348 (isolation #26 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:17 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:17 am
In post 328 , GreyICE wrote: zMuffin and me continue our blood pact that we can't share a win condition. He's got the shoot people at night one this time around.
uh-huh. why do you think im scum, greyice?
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Post #350 (isolation #27 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:20 am
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why not? i thought it was a joke he didn't know when to give up (until people basically forced him to)
what's he done that's actually town?
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Post #354 (isolation #28 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:29 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:29 am
by the way, serious question to anyone town-reading beeboy. i just went over his ISO again. what has he done outside the mason stuff?
what in his ISO is even remotely town?
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Post #356 (isolation #29 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:35 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:35 am
if you think you can get me lynched, you can try to get me lynched. we both know that's not going to happen, though, and i don't actually think you have a legitimate reason to think i'm scum
as for edo,
i don't want to bus
i'm ambivalent about him. he hasn't done anything particularly town, he hasn't done anything i think looks all that bad either
talk about why beeboy is town if you're not going to talk about why i'm scum
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Post #359 (isolation #30 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:40 am
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@DLA,
i don't really think vedith is scum. i don't think his back-and-forth with you on p10 is as bad as you seem to think it was and it's a large part of why i think he's probably town. what do you think of
224 ?
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Post #362 (isolation #31 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:43 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:43 am
yeah, no, i refuse to believe you actually believe this
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Post #363 (isolation #32 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:44 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:44 am
i'm naturally a power role magnet
you don't need to "put me on the radar" to make me a target. i'm always a target
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Post #365 (isolation #33 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:47 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:47 am
In post 4 , beeboy wrote: VOTE: pie
{pieguyn, edosurist}
I have mod given info this is the scum team gg.
yeah, gee, this post just exudes towniness from every crevice
i'm such a fucking fool for not seeing the obvious here and you're totally right that this could only be coming from someone with a town role pm
what am i doing with myself if i can't even read something as obvious as this?
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Post #366 (isolation #34 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:06 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:06 am
you know, i've read every post in beeboy's ISO at least four times now
even if i squint, i don't see anything in his early posts that i think you'd believe were a. town or b. unlikely to come from scum, let alone that first post
it's funny that you bring up the blood pact, because when i saw youd replaced in my first thought was "maybe this is the game..." but now i just want to power lynch you when beeboy flips scum
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Post #369 (isolation #35 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:10 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:10 am
yeah, this is what you're apparently calling town greyice
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Post #371 (isolation #36 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:17 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:17 am
In post 370 , beeboy wrote: I think Luna and Pie are town so I vote the remaining player on my wagon ezpz
let me guess, greyice... this is another post that just oozes town intentions
because a town player looks at their own wagon and goes, "you know what? i don't actually have a reason to think this guy is scum, but hey, i think two other people voting me are town so he must be scum"
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Post #373 (isolation #37 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:22 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:22 am
uh-huh
i voted you like 8 hours ago
luna voted you like 2 hours ago
your logic is "my wagon isn't moving"
in 2 hours
oh, yes, that's totally not something scum would make up as a reason
that's totally a town line of thought
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Post #376 (isolation #38 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:27 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:27 am
who's scum with me, beeboy?
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Post #377 (isolation #39 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:37 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:37 am
your reason before was wagon dynamics
your reason now is literally "three people are voting me and i think two of them are town"
that's why you're calling me scum. not for anything i've actually done in this game. not because any of my posts looked like scum posts to you. but because i'm voting you
ok
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Post #381 (isolation #40 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:47 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:47 am
hey, greyice. there's a vote on me and from someone you think is really town. from your point of view, my wagon is 25% more viable... surely you can push me now, if you think i'm scum
yeah, i'm not so concerned about this. people often think reads which are obvious to them should be obvious to others and not everyone is the type of player who cases
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Post #385 (isolation #41 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:13 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:13 am
iirc i was scum-reading you for how you pushed pieguy early
you were using the whole mason thing as a way to avoid doing anything while pushing pieguy in a way that didn't feel natural - i'd have to go back and look at it for specifics which i might do when i get a break at work
but no, that's not why i think you're scum now. it's a small part of your larger body of work wherein you've done shitall for the entire day phase. you coasted on the mason thing until people got so fed up with you that you had to retract it and since then you've done... nothing. you complained about how the game wasn't "information-heavy" because of the mason stuff that YOU did and outside of that all you've done is sit on the pieguy vote for a while, unvote, argue with pie a bit about luna and now your vote on me
this is everything you've done. and no, i'm not misrepresenting anything here. you haven't gone into any real depth on any of your reads (which is funny given your stance on luna and her reads) and you haven't done a single thing in this game that makes me think you're town
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Post #391 (isolation #42 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:27 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:27 am
In post 387 , beeboy wrote: I don't feel like me being underwhelming or whatever is a hard reason for scum to hide behind
"underwhelming" isn't what i meant when i said you hadn't done anything town. town can be underwhelming, too. but they still do town things
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Post #393 (isolation #43 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:44 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:44 am
In post 387 , beeboy wrote: I wasn't really coasting on the mason claim it dragged a shit ton of attention to me that wouldn't have originally been headed in my direction. (I fake claimed mason before I know it causes problems for me)
I didn't complain about the game not being information heavy I was complaining about Pie arguing it was and I should have had more reads by page 7 when the game was really far from being information heavy.
the mason claim didn't really bring any attention to you at all, beyond the fact that people were discussing it early...
and yeah, with regards to the "information heavy" thing, im aware you were responding to pieguy but what i meant was that rather than doing any real scum hunting in the early pages (because while the game may not have been information-heavy, there was still content there) you complained about the mason thing as though that's the reason you couldn't develop any reads
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Post #394 (isolation #44 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:47 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:47 am
you know, regardless of your alignment, this is disgusting
if you don't want to play, replace out
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Post #395 (isolation #45 ) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:50 am
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by zMuffinMan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:50 am
like you're not hammering, so if you just don't want to play then leave and let someone who does want to play play. if this is just some scum appeal then it's a really underhanded move
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Post #426 (isolation #46 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:08 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:08 am
is the "lazy" thing really the only reason you're calling him scum?
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Post #430 (isolation #47 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:32 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:32 am
reaction to what
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Post #478 (isolation #48 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:26 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:26 am
mm
i don't really believe you as a town-role-who-thinks-his-claim-will-make-it-so-he-isn't-lynched self-votes like you did. "this isn't worth it" isn't something i think someone who knows they won't be lynched if they claim their role says
so whenever you do eventually claim, if your role isn't as town as you're making it out to be or if you don't have a decent justification for the self vote, im probably going to want to see you power lynched
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Post #480 (isolation #49 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:32 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:32 am
probably one of the people calling you town for shitty reasons (greyice, wisdom)
but hey, your softing probably bought you a day so good for you, i guess
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Post #482 (isolation #50 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:35 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:35 am
In post 453 , DarkLightA wrote: Beeboy I think is town just because I don't see his play coming from scum.
you mean his play in general or you mean the claim stuff?
in either case, why?
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Post #489 (isolation #51 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:45 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:45 am
In post 465 , DarkLightA wrote: Pie, why do you think lynch a soft claimed PR day 1 is a viable strategy? In almost all cases this is completely misguided.
i don't think this statement is as true as you think it is
i don't regularly play micros but i sincerely doubt there's vanilla scum in a small touhou-based setup like this
the idea that if he's town, scum will see him as a threat is a misguided one because if he
is
actually town, scum probably either have something to counter him or might just not care
that said, i would not be so concerned with looking elsewhere today; it's just that i don't have any strong feelings about the other viable wagons at the moment being scum
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Post #503 (isolation #52 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:02 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:02 am
wisdom brings up a pretty strong point in 500
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Post #514 (isolation #53 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:09 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:09 am
eh that should resolve itself then. shoot me and prove your role
dunno how feasible it is but going to sit here while i read things
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Post #516 (isolation #54 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:10 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:10 am
no
The target is confirmed town
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Post #517 (isolation #55 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:11 am
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:11 am
well unless gif runs a different version than a standard one
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Post #543 (isolation #56 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:15 pm
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:15 pm
does anyone have a town read on greyice? if so, why?
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Post #545 (isolation #57 ) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:34 pm
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by zMuffinMan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:34 pm
the thing about greyice is that every single game we've played together (i think), he's called me scum. the only difference between when he's done it as scum and when he's done it as town is that when he's town, he's a lot more forthcoming with reasoning whereas when he's scum he uses what essentially boils down to wikitells and getting him to talk about it in any depth is like pulling fucking teeth
i suppose if he's so utterly convinced that it's me and edosurist, i could maybe see him not caring so much (with the logic being take out the weak link and it becomes easier to take out the harder lynch), but that requires him being so convinced that it's me and edosurist in the first place
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Post #551 (isolation #58 ) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:54 am
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by zMuffinMan » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:54 am
going to sleep. i'll be around from pretty much whenever i wake up until the deadline
while i doubt a greyice lynch is actually going to happen, i do want people to talk about their read on him
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Post #552 (isolation #59 ) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:56 am
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by zMuffinMan » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:56 am
you know if the deadline hadn't been extended by 24 hours, greyice would have essentially replaced into a game and lurked until the deadline
as is, it's over 40 hours since he posted in a game he
just
replaced into with a deadline looming
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Post #635 (isolation #60 ) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:15 am
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