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Post #16 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:01 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 11, Comparing Realities wrote:So I'm pretty much like the best Mafia player ever, right? So I just walk into a game and I feel it I get my skills and I rub 'em just all over the place, over the walls, over the floor, over your nice pretty shoes and that's how I do it. You can always tell a scum by the way they're hunted and, listen closely now: I don't do hunting. I just sniff at them, and if they blink, that tells me something about 'em, loads of it. Not necessarily going to tell you what the blink means, you methodfishing scumturd, but suffice it to say, it's for deep, deep psychological reasons, reasons so deep that if you knew how they worked, you'd also know that daddy was right when he left you. Any attempt to scumread me will be met with failure; I'll merely flip my hair, claim to feel pretty, and watch your delicate tiptoeing around my feelings, don't breathe the air they've seeded it with thoughts. And you know what? I pity the fool! You guys have to play with me, you ain't leaving without a few moments of indescribably loneliness! All you know and love is subject to the whims of a few elite assassins, and I don't intend to let them get away with it! My job is to kill the killers. I'm in the Moral Right here. I could eat a kitten and get away with it if it were for the greater good. I claim bomb. Our job is to rid ourselves of the scum plague before it completely devours us. In the end, we can expect a survivorship of two town, out of the nine we began with, and that's considered good for some reason, you feel me? Stop feeling, it prevents aging. I am indescribably lonely. If town kills someone, it's an Honest Mistake we make because The Other Guy Was Bad, but if scum kills us, it's just legit biz. So I don't care what you think, I don't care what advice you have to offer, I don't care what love is, all I know is that you are an enemy, and my job is to feast on your flesh.
And feast I will.
Without blinking.
I stopped reading after "I am the best mafia player" and couldn't stop laughing.
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Post #17 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:04 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
Guys, since we auto win if we lynch Mafia on Day 3
I suggest we just skip both Day 1 and Day 2.
We can still scumhunt until then, but I don't want to lynch anyone till day 3. Especially not strongest scumread till then.
Because we don't need to lynch both scum, just on the right day.
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Post #20 (isolation #4) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:12 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
So what you think of delaying lynches to ensure a town win on day 3?
I doubt we will lynch 2 scum days 1 and 2. Statistically thats not likely.
Also would be harder to lynch a scum on day 3 if there are only 1 of them.
And if we just do mislynches then there are less town to figure it out.
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Post #22 (isolation #5) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:16 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 21, xyzzy wrote:and go into day 3 with basically no info besides who died nights 1 and 2 and which players agreed to no lynch? that seems like a wildly bad idea
First of all, On that post, You said we should just skip D1 and D2 because we auto win when we lynched a Mafia D3. So how do we lynch scum if we don't have any evidences and info?
NL-ing on D1 and D2 is never a good choice. There's still a chance that if we lynched a mafia D1 or D2, We can use some things that he town read the most, Which have a possibility it's his scum buddy.
For me, you are the most scummy here and I don't get your point.
VOTE: Mas y Menos
My point was that mislynching on day 1 is likely cause we are at zero information vantage point.
We maybe lynch scum day 2 but then its hard to lynch them on day 3 because now theres only one.
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Post #30 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:36 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
Like the chance of scum lynch on day 1 is objectively low.
A player on my homesite once did an analysis of lynches day 1, it hit scum in 5% of the total games.
And games where the town no lynched on day 1 they had an 20% higher chance of winning then if they did lynch day 1.
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Post #36 (isolation #10) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:49 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 35, rb wrote:Also I play the game by finding and lynching scum, everything else is arbitrary and boring and shit imo. I'm not playing gimmicks.
Gimmicks are more fun.
Aside: Me and other half of the hydra had a fight over who should be called "Menos" apparently he thinks he should be called that.
WHatever, I am the Mas half now.
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Post #38 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:50 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 33, xyzzy wrote:also I don't trust your home site as a good source of info because that's entirely dependent upon the site meta. does your home site focus on mostly setups with lots of power roles, for instance? if so, those numbers are completely irrelevant to this game.
Likewise, I dont trust your math at all because it hasn't been tested by practical application.
Theory math sucks.
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Post #49 (isolation #15) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:56 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 48, xyzzy wrote:the mathematical probability of certain events happening is literally half of the entire basis on which the balance of mafia games is based (the other half is that town is, on average, not that good). you're arguing that town should do something that is objectively not in their best interest when you have direct evidence for why that's the case right in front of you
Thats not direct evidence dipshit thats fucking theoritical math.
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Post #51 (isolation #16) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:00 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
No it isn't, math can't pinpoint the true trajectory of a game of mafia unless you believe that all human action is done on the same basis that is predictable.
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Post #53 (isolation #17) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:06 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 52, Gamma Emerald wrote:No, in fact, we likely have an even better chance if we lynch, as we can get vote reactions. This guy's not getting it at all.
A vote reaction to a mislynch train usually leads to very little info.
Can you pinpoint games in which mislynches helped you solve the game by how people went on the wagons?
Cause I can show you were mislynch trains compound on each other because town misreads town and other town thinks that other one was being scum pushing that, far more often then the opposite.
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Post #56 (isolation #18) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:07 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 54, xyzzy wrote:are you saying math isn't a source of factual information? like........ that's just.......................... objectively wrong
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Post #58 (isolation #19) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:10 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 55, BlackStar wrote:I thought he was saying that you shouldn't rely solely on math to predict how people will act in the game. Which is kind of ironic because he's the one who brought up math in the first place
Its mostly hypocritical.
I am just trying to get support for my idea.
I don't believe my data shows how players actually play. I think people just eat up data easily.
In post 52, Gamma Emerald wrote:No, in fact, we likely have an even better chance if we lynch, as we can get vote reactions. This guy's not getting it at all.
A vote reaction to a mislynch train usually leads to very little info.
Can you pinpoint games in which mislynches helped you solve the game by how people went on the wagons?
Cause I can show you were mislynch trains compound on each other because town misreads town and other town thinks that other one was being scum pushing that, far more often then the opposite.
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Post #71 (isolation #25) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:25 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 68, Gamma Emerald wrote:1: What is your preferred faction?
2: What would you say you bring to the game that others don't?
3: Tell me a bit about your username, signature, and/or avatar.
I don't feel these questions are helpful, except maybe the 2nd.
1) Scum as of late. I don't like being part of the town, its always frustrating.
2) I bring more tone reading in players posts to see if it matches what they are actually saying.
3) No, its a hydra.
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Post #80 (isolation #28) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:36 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 79, Alchemist21 wrote:And this is why you should go by Mas. I thought you were kidding about the name fight with mcmenno or that it happened before the game.
Honestly it wa a continuation of a joke in site chat that mcmenno called me Menos when I posted there so I lol decided to call me menos in this game.
I like confusing people sometimes on who is posting.
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Post #91 (isolation #29) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:14 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
these questions are mostly inane and pointless but I'll answer them for the thought exercise
In post 68, Gamma Emerald wrote:Here it is:
1: What is your preferred faction?
2: What would you say you bring to the game that others don't?
3: Tell me a bit about your username, signature, and/or avatar.
My answers:
1: I would have to say town because the game feels more relaxed.
2: I bring a sense of humor I would say is nigh unrivaled.
3: My username is an old idea of a Pokemon Emerald remake. My signature is a quote from a webcomic, and I find the quote works really well here.
And about those wagons, I have seen votes meant to bait reactions on EpicMafia plenty of times. It's not only about successful wagons.
1. I do like playing as third party a lot, especially jester
2. aren't we all
3. my username comes from my minecraft username, minecraftermenno (thought up when I was the ripe age of 10), I shortened it to mcmenno and it has been my internet nomer ever since. my signature is some choice quotes about me. my avatar is a grass block from minecraft
In post 81, Gamma Emerald wrote:I guess I'll add those.
4: What is your experience with Mafia?
5: Who here have you played with before?
My answers
4: One near complete off site forum game, one ongoing game here, many EM games, and many IRL games.
5: No one.
4. I've played plenty of games f2f and on here
5. most everyone except key and you, I think
In post 83, Alchemist21 wrote:4.) All the games listed on my wiki page, plus numerous games offsite.
5.) Just the firebringer head of the mas y menos hydra.
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Post #166 (isolation #33) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:25 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 135, xyzzy wrote:I wanted to hear what rb actually had to say about this before I did this, and now I've heard what rb has to say about it, and... like... yikes
I'm gonna keep my vote on Mas y Menos because I feel like they're trying to fly under the radar so that we'll forget anything scummy they've done, but rb is definitely a solid lynch candidate at the moment
BTD6_maker has hardly said anything at all, and hasn't really said much of anything of substance. not a huge fan of that.
Wait, how are we trying to fly under the radar?
I was the one attracting the most attention in the first 5 pages?
{deleted: ongoing games discussion — callforjudgement}
Plus, your arguments are plain non sense. Why? It doesn't involve scum hunting; You're arguing about CR's wall post which is meh; Can you explain more clearly why are you voting for xyzzy?
If you don't like this game, consider replacing out.
VOTE: rb
That looks like you're alluding to an ongoing game. Please stay well away from any mention of ongoing games; just because you don't say their name, that doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible for people to work out what you mean (and if you
want
people to work out what you mean, you're pretty much talking about the game directly). — callforjudgement
Like if XYZ is scum, this looks like a chainsaw vote.
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Post #172 (isolation #37) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:47 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
Not to be an ass to you Alchemist.
But why you keep referring to stuff as drawing attention or flying under the radar?
The game has 9 players.
ITS VERY VERY HARD for anyone to fly under the radar, so why would that be a concern for scum?
Scum are going to have to pay attention in the game because by sheer numbers thye can't just lurk out of the game.
I don't know. I don't like that argument in this context.
I have read BTD6 as scum before, and I don't know about him now but it doesn't feel the same as that other game.
That might be just because he reads me as town I think though.
{deleted: ongoing games discussion — callforjudgement}
Plus, your arguments are plain non sense. Why? It doesn't involve scum hunting; You're arguing about CR's wall post which is meh; Can you explain more clearly why are you voting for xyzzy?
If you don't like this game, consider replacing out.
VOTE: rb
That looks like you're alluding to an ongoing game. Please stay well away from any mention of ongoing games; just because you don't say their name, that doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible for people to work out what you mean (and if you
want
people to work out what you mean, you're pretty much talking about the game directly). — callforjudgement
Like if XYZ is scum, this looks like a chainsaw vote.
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Post #237 (isolation #41) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:42 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 189, keyenpeydee wrote:rb, well i did an iso read and gotta say I'm actually surprised that her vote still stays on mas y menos despite saying you're a strong lynch candidate which is kinda alarming for me.
VOTE: xyzzy
Care to explain why rb is a strong lynch candidate? Make it detailed.
And I'm sorry for voting you, rb because I just don't like what you're doing rn. Explain it would get me replaced but Imma trust you now. And also, I did a xyzzy iso so I don't quite sheep you.
In post 214, rb wrote:Key: are you okay with Mas lynch?
I'm okay with lynching Mas. I gotta say i kinda agree with what Comparing Realities say. Since the early game, I really suspect him though and my gut feeling says he's scum. I can't read him. Well, my read is like he's too scummy to be town.
And I believe when CR made a wall post that basically 50% of it is all about Mas, Mas voted CR which struck me. And since xyzzy doesn't want to answer my question, She can be lynched D3 and we'll win. But rn, Mas is a good lynch for D1.
I know, I'm putting Mas at L-1 but we need things moving. VOTE: Mas Y Menos
This reasoning makes no sense again.
The player qualifies our vote by gut, but then explains it by CR reasoning.
So which is it? Was it by gut or were you convinced by CR?
You voted XYZ and think he is scummy of some sorts based on a question yet he is first one on my wagon do you consider that at all? No, it was there to create distance.
Jesus, who has a townread on this slot?
VOTE: Key
No idea if we were already voting him, but this has to go.
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Post #239 (isolation #43) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:49 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
Going to talk to Mcmenno, but like I am very confident on my scumreads at this point.
XYZ sucks as a player but this isn't same as other games I don't think. In those he reasonably tried to sort players, even if he sucked at it, this its not present at all.
Key is just terrible either way from all his actions but I am not letting his actions slide just based on them being a newb.
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Post #295 (isolation #48) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:49 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
I think he is setting himself up for too many enemies than he did in the previous game I played with him.
In the prevous one he picked his battles very very meticulously and it showed in his reads.
He wouldn't have many scumreads at a time.
Here he has way more than the other game.
It feels like he is trying to sort people more, and doesn't care who he upsets by doing it.
In post 336, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually, I have an idea where to go. VOTE: xyzzy
Multiple people have connected you to key. What do you have to say about that?
this series of posts is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very bad
In post 348, BlackStar wrote:It's weird that you had your vote on X for ages now and didn't try to push it at all until a couple of people started talking about him again. I mean, you were at L-1. Why didn't you fight hard to get him lynched? I just think the timing of that post was grimy as hell
I don't want to push it because I want everybody to know it.
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Post #357 (isolation #53) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:23 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
In post 344, Comparing Realities wrote:Also, rb is confirmed not reading any of my posts, and probably none of you guys' either. So I'm taking his reads with a grain of salt for the time being.
He said he wouldn't read wall posts, maybe you shouldn't wall post if you want him to read them.
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Post #360 (isolation #54) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:34 am
Postby Mas y Menos »
I read like 60-70% of your posts if I am going to be honest.
Wall posting in general is annoying, but you have done much less bigger walls since your openning, which I appreciate.
What do you have to respond to my accusations against you? Specifically, I've argued that you knew your plan was a bad idea, but you pushed it almost relentlessly, then suddenly dropped it when it became clear it had almost no support.
I don't agree my plan is a bad idea.
Alchemist can note that I had a similar plan in a different game and i 100% believed in it.
I did drop it because no one was supporting it and it was worthless to keep pushing.