Micro 652 - Double Day Unlimited (Over)

[ecane]

Yo yo.

VOTE: malpascp
VOTE: qubixes
VOTE: Creature
VOTE: nmego12345
VOTE: Flubbernugget
VOTE: Aelin

That's all L-2.

[ecane]

How come?

[ecane]

How come?

@nmego, can you answer that? Did I put you and your scum buddy L-2?

[ecane]

Also..I get called a he here a lot, she please.

[ecane]

These ''BS'' votes did generate the conversation, didn't they.

I do agree with the part that it produces much less pressure though.

UNVOTE: all

VOTE: nmego
VOTE: qubixes

[ecane]

How come?

You just put everyone at L-2, If anyone tried to lynch anyone, then it's pretty easy for derphammering to occur.
That's why I was suspicious of you, along with a guts feeling, why would you put everyone at L-2?

Though that doesn't make you mega scummy, It's a small Fos

So scum could have the pleasure of obviously disagreeing with me, saying how putting ppl at L-2 is oh so bad, while they think saying that makes them look super townie and careful.

And to generate discussion, yes.

[ecane]

These ''BS'' votes did generate the conversation, didn't they.

I do agree with the part that it produces much less pressure though.

UNVOTE: all

VOTE: nmego
VOTE: qubixes

Self-voting also generates discussion. But fair enough, I take it you did it to generate discussion then? Care to explain the vote on me?

Your first three posts just didn't give me the right feels.

[ecane]

@ecane: But how do you find the difference between that and town saying putting people at L-2 is bad?

Depends on the later stages. Gotta start somewhere, at this point that's good enough for me.

[ecane]

How come?

You just put everyone at L-2, If anyone tried to lynch anyone, then it's pretty easy for derphammering to occur.
That's why I was suspicious of you, along with a guts feeling, why would you put everyone at L-2?

Though that doesn't make you mega scummy, It's a small Fos

So scum could have the pleasure of obviously disagreeing with me, saying how putting ppl at L-2 is oh so bad, while they think saying that makes them look super townie and careful.

And to generate discussion, yes.

How are you so sure that's what scum would do?

This sounds like you've just added unnecessary wifom to the early game.

I'm not. I do think it's worthy looking into though IMO. Saying my post was scummy seemed like an easy attempt for town cred.

[ecane]

.... It wasn't useless but ok.

So you think voting everyone at the beginning is anyhow more useful than what I did...? Lol

[ecane]

Guess I'll jump in as well.

Creature
Flubber
nmego
Lowell
qubixes

[ecane]

UNVOTE: nmego
VOTE: Lowell

[ecane]

UNVOTE: nmego
VOTE: Lowell

[ecane]

Sorry for the double post. Site's been crashing for me. :/

How do so many of you guys have a read on Not_Mafia? It's like a total null for me. Is there meta involved or something?

[ecane]

Creature
Flubber
nmego
Lowell
qubixes

Ecane, reasons for your reads please? (I'm assuming they are ordered from most town to most scum)

Creature - His posts seem open. I have a hard time imagining scum going with that kinda play atm.
Flubber - He seems like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game.
nmego - Like the initiative. Though, I saw you're reading a lot of inactive players null-leaning scum, could be opportunistic. You're also not voting for anyone, why's that?
Lowell - It seemed like he just wanted to give a ''good'' jusification for his vote.
qubixes - Some of his posts give me a pretty defensive vibe, and just an overall really bad gut feeling. And the vote was terrible.

[ecane]

Sorry for the double post. Site's been crashing for me. :/

How do so many of you guys have a read on Not_Mafia? It's like a total null for me. Is there meta involved or something?

Aside from the fact that he proclaimed he was going to scum hunt in a very ineffective way and then dipped, he does have a meta of lurking more as scum

Meh, I'd still like to hear more from him before anything really.

[ecane]

My reads are still pretty much the same so far. Would still like too see a couple of questions get answered.

The votes on Not_Mafia seem to be heavily meta based. Will look at a few of his games, but I imagine playing in a game with him and just looking at it is probably pretty different.

Generally, I feel like lurking is more of a scummy tell for those that are new to mafia.

[ecane]

@ecane: Why do you think my vote was terrible?

You made regards towards Creature's PoE just when he voted you, which just seemed too defensive to me. And voting for him because he didn't do that in 2 other games you chose to look at just seemed silly.


@Creature, Thor
Have you both played with Flubber before? You mentioned he's pretending to be solving the game. Are there any other games that made you think that, or are there any concrete examples here?
I don't see him as particulary townie, but not scummy either.

@Lowell, why haven't you answered my question yet?

[ecane]

@Creature, Thor
Have you both played with Flubber before? You mentioned he's pretending to be solving the game. Are there any other games that made you think that, or are there any concrete examples here?
I don't see him as particulary townie, but not scummy either.

I have played with him at least once prior to this game.
I would say the evidence is easily present in this game, and when I made the statement it was entirely based on this game.
As an easy example - read his first 10 or so posts in the game, and note that he isn't really applying much pressure, isn't offering opinions, and the most focused attack he has is basically asking other people to attack someone for something he doesn't even find scummy but agrees with.
I would happily argue that the first real genuine idea expressed clearly that is unquestioningly scumhunting doesn't come in until 27 posts in. Giving him something like a 25/1 ratio of empty posting to posts that look like scumhunting.

Do you think he looks like he's solving anything?
If so - what?
If not - why ask this?

Could've been a little bit swayed with the activity at the start, but I just thought he was like expressing his thoughts about the game a lot and well at least I thought it was pretty genuine.

I find it weird how people are being pretty much fine with the lynch while prior to that they have expressed no particular thoughts about it whatsoever. Scum could easily just hop on the wagon that's forming rn, if they haven't already, and I feel like all would be good for them since almost everyone seems to be doing it anyways.
It just somehow seems too easy.
For that matter.. @Lowell, qubixes..explain please.

Especially Lowell. You unvoted Flubber in 104, what changed your mind?

[ecane]

I can't clip lines out of your wall anymore. Yay phone posts.

Ecane's 26 looked like pushing towards an easy accidental mislynch under the guise of getting reactions. This is especially so considering there was some decent anti town behavior that sat before 26 for comment

So I'm opportunistic because I didn't buy your Not_Mafia is scummy for townhunting stuff?
People have different ways of scum hunting, I think townhunting is completely valid, thinking that townhunting is scummy is also valid. However, assuming people will agree with what you think is scummy is bs.

Why haven't you metioned that before, and if that was the case why haven't you voted me?

[ecane]

@Thor- my move was bold and awesome. Her move was designed to look brave but was actually an attempt to stall progress. When someone does something exciting, then someone else does a lesser version of that same thing, the second person is scummy.

Also, creature is now town.

The holes in this logic are self-evident enough.

[ecane]

I mean, I know I asked you a question like 7 days ago and you answered yesterday but I didn't even ask you a question now and you answered? You ok?

You still got a few left I think, I suggest you get to them sometime soon. I imagine it must be hard answering questions when you already realized you kind of screwed up but I mean it doesnt hurt to try right?

[ecane]

Meh, I'd prefer a Lowell lynch still. The reaction is totally fakeable. He saw the chance, he took it... Doesn't mean much imo.
It especially doesn't just weight out the other stuff.

[ecane]

Fine with that at this point.
VOTE: malpascp L-1

[ecane]

What makes you think malpascp will replace out? He has shown no intentions to. Just a bunch of bs promises. Could very well be just a tactic that would get him to D2.

pedit- ...

[ecane]

VOTE: Lowell L-2
VOTE: qubixes

[ecane]

@ecane: What is your beef with me?

The stuff I already said. And your posting style seems forced to me, like you're just trying too hard.
You and Lowell are the best ones I have rn.

[ecane]

Maybe I'm not speaking for everyone, but I didn't think he had (much) more than 2/8 chance to be lynched. The deadline was also getting closer, and I couldn't get N_M or Lowell lynched.

How were you trying to get them lynched? You haven't even mentioned them much during the game.

[ecane]

Ooo, we're back.

VOTE: qubixes

@aeronaut, how is it handy to get everyone's perspective before you give yours? So you can later adapt it?

[ecane]

Why not? Why are you so hard town reading him?
Stated my reasons already, or I think they're pretty easily visible in my ISO. The fact that after three flips he's voting someone random isn't helping me thinking he's town in any way either.