Micro 658 - Frozen [Game over]

[lane0168]

IIRC Lohikäärme's has played Mafia before but not for a while so I'd put him off the table for now. Dunnstral I would trust not to screw things up. A Simple Plan, Parama, and MagnaofIllusion seem to have a fair bit of experience but I haven't played with them before so I can't comment on their abilities. Aristophanes and Cakez are probably sub-optimal choices, but also not terrible. lane0168 I would avoid. I'd put myself just above Aristo/Cakez. Either way Dunnstral's usually obvtown as town so we'll probably be going there first if he rolled town this game.

Why avoid me?

[lane0168]

And that's funny, I just got out of a game where people said Dunnstral scum and town game is almost identical. You must have a good way of reading him but I've never seen him be obvi town when he's town

[lane0168]

Why is this guy yelling?

[lane0168]

IIRC Lohikäärme's has played Mafia before but not for a while so I'd put him off the table for now. Dunnstral I would trust not to screw things up. A Simple Plan, Parama, and MagnaofIllusion seem to have a fair bit of experience but I haven't played with them before so I can't comment on their abilities. Aristophanes and Cakez are probably sub-optimal choices, but also not terrible. lane0168 I would avoid. I'd put myself just above Aristo/Cakez. Either way Dunnstral's usually obvtown as town so we'll probably be going there first if he rolled town this game.

Why avoid me?

I've never seen you understand the game setup you were in

Sorry pal

I understand every game I'm in. Could email details I might miss sometimes. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

[lane0168]

Why is this guy yelling?

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING USEFUL TO SAY. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT.

If I have something useful to say I'll say it.

[lane0168]

VOTE: lane0168

What is that crap?

[lane0168]

OK guys I've drafted up a strategy

Elsa chooses one person to reveal to a night. That person should claim each day and eventually decide on a person to lynch. It's important that you don't go back on this decision once you've selected someone.

The rest of town decides if we lynch that person, or the person who knows Elsa.
If the person who knows elsa is chosen to live, and Elsa lives, they will be clear

So for today:

VOTE: No lynch

Why is it important to not change your mind?

[lane0168]

LANE CONTINUES HAVING NOTHING USEFUL TO SAY, YET CONTINUES SAYING STUFF ANYWAYS

I answered your question, responded to a vote on me, and asked for clarification. What the fuck are you on about? Are you expecting something profound for page 3 or what is this shit?

[lane0168]

Why is it important to not change your mind?

This is why you're not a good Elsa target. Flopping around just reveals non-elsa players that then never die

Even if you think they're town after, accept that you could be wrong. Don't make a decision if you're not ready to stick to it

So just that person can't change there mind, we don't necessarily have to lynch out of those 2 if the consensus is they're both town.

If i an picked and you see I'm town how likely are you to trust my pick?

[lane0168]

I don't think the person should claim at all. That basically renders them useless unless they're pro at questioning everyone and Elsa. But scum will be watching that slot with intense scrutiny because they know they know who Elsa is. I don't trust anyone to be good enough at that.

[lane0168]

On the other hand it does have the very good benefit of not outing Elsa, even if that slot can't do much else... I'm torn

[lane0168]

I answered your question, responded to a vote on me, and asked for clarification. What the fuck are you on about? Are you expecting something profound for page 3 or what is this shit?

IT'S NOT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY
IT'S THAT YOU KEEP POSTING WHILE HAVING NOTHING TO SAY
I VEHEMENTLY DISLIKE FLUFFPOSTING LIKE THIS BECAUSE TOWN HAS NO INCENTIVE TO DO SO

Except that it wasn't. Again, I answered YOUR question. (I'll stop asking any of your questions on the future since apparently a response is fluff). I called a terrible vote crap. And I asked Dunn for clarification. So why did Joy continue to call it fluff? Just throwing shade?

[lane0168]

I like scum-hunting and Elsa claiming to town myself. With no reveals which greatly diminishes chance of accidentally revealing Elsa. I wouldn't trust myself to find scum before the town could find scum before scum could find me. So if else is anything like me, we should really consider not doing that plan.

[lane0168]

@magna, good point, I didn't realize there are two night kills if they don't target Elsa. If I'm interpreting right.

Dunn-1 Lane-0 lol

[lane0168]

Alright so basically your strategy is to have the people who know Elsa's identity claim that they do to confirm them as town, and then have them decide the lynches?

In which case:
a) Why is having a single conftown be the sole decider of a lynch a good idea? What if they're a terrible Mafia player?
b) If everyone who knows Elsa's identity claims, the Mafia now know exactly which people's behaviour they need to monitor to find out who Elsa is.

Basically this, re: my earlier Dunn response.

And that's funny, I just got out of a game where people said Dunnstral scum and town game is almost identical. You must have a good way of reading him but I've never seen him be obvi town when he's town

He's actually rather easy to read in the grand scheme of things, and gut as of page two says town based upon the genuine strategizing to try to make this game work in town's favor. I don't see you coming up with something good as of this point?

If you're talking about how best to play the game, I've commented on what there is to comment on for me. If you're talking any scum-hunting, has anyone else come up with something good as of page 1.5?

[lane0168]

Naked votes isn't pressure friend

[lane0168]

I guess I was interpreting, no pt, no cooperation. If they shoot town, town dies, but they both have to shoot Elsa for her to die. Maybe not. Considering we only have to get one. And each day hopefully 1 more town knows who Elsa is. I'm not smart enough with that to know how op it would be but doesn't seem too much if that's in fact how it is

[lane0168]

Aristo, I appreciate the humour but you're almost as bad as lane at this point.

Tell me

Who are we lynching today?

There isn't anyone who is better than I am at that point, and if you think you are yours delusional. Everyone has done almost nothing alignment indicative, and everyone has done almost no scum hunting. So stop

[lane0168]

lol

Can we lynch lane now

Excellent point. You are much better than me this game. I see it now.

[lane0168]

Everyone has done almost nothing alignment indicative

Also this isn't true at all

Alright name the things that are alignment indicative

[lane0168]

Aristo, I appreciate the humour but you're almost as bad as lane at this point.

Tell me

Who are we lynching today?

There isn't anyone who is better than I am at that point, and if you think you are yours delusional. Everyone has done almost nothing alignment indicative, and everyone has done almost no scum hunting. So stop

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LANE

ALRIGHT. WE'RE POLICY LYNCHING UP IN THIS SUCKAHHHHHH
BECAUSE LANE HAS JUST TRIED TO PASS OF HIS PISS POOR PLAY WITH AN EXCUSE IMPLYING NOBODY ELSE IS DOING BETTER, WHICH IS JUST OBJECTIVELY UNTRUE. PRACTICALLY EVERYONE ELSE IS ALREADY PUTTING ACTUAL EFFORT AND PRODUCING DECENT CONTENT
AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE WILL CONTINUE TO BE USELESS ALL GAME IF WE ALLOW HIM TO LIVE
THAT'S JUST HOW BAD PLAYERS LIKE THIS FUNCTION
SO LET'S JUST PURGE THIS NOW
IF HE'S ELSA WE'RE TOTALLY BONED ANYWAYS

Wtf? Nobody has done shit you dope. It's all been about making plans that almost nobody ever follows. What have you done thats not me worthless than me, you're just throwing idiot shade around and making shit up.

VOTE: parama

This is dog shit scum hunting. And to try to push my lynch like this is scummy as shit. It's been 95% really about either claim or no claim and who Elsa should be targeting. And he wants to push my lynch for policy? What a joke.

[lane0168]

I've nothing to claim if we're claiming at l-2. Some pretty house shit votes though Holy shit

[lane0168]

I mean, D1 in this setup when everyone has to be kinda hush hush is really the ideal time for a PL. I've never seen a better reason to.
So I'm in.
VOTE: Lane

ASP would be the better choice in this respect, but I like this one better!

Why does everyone have to be hush hush day 1? What policy are you lynching me on? And do you really think it's worth policy lynching is a good play when 1 wrong mislynch and its game over? How fucking absurd

[lane0168]

Yes Parama, if I'm Elsa you are boned, cause you're running me up page 9 when nobody has done shit to scum hunt. You're lucky I'm not Elsa. If I was none of that would've been my fault. It'd be on town or if you Postie and ari, forcing someone to claim page 9 when not shit has happened. How fucking awful are you guys

[lane0168]

Policy lynch in this setup is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard of. I wish I was Elsa so bad right now

[lane0168]

No there isn't, it just narrows down who isn't Elsa. In saying it's fucking stupid to put someone to claim this early when not shit has been done. There's scum in Ari Postie Parama. Look there

[lane0168]

lol

What funny? You think you Parama and ari are all town? We'll see

[lane0168]

What a lame generic reason. Ballsy to use parts halfway down page 2 as examples.

Also, you really think scum would claim Elsa day 1? An Elsa with half a brain would not counter claim, and being alive day 2 is instant lynch.

[lane0168]

Not to mention the hypocrisy, Postie, you should realize I've done just as much as you to move the game forward. Which I'll agree is next to nothing

[lane0168]

Also, you really think scum would claim Elsa day 1?

We're not not lynching Not Elsa claims, so yes.

Not to mention the hypocrisy, Postie, you should realize I've done just as much as you to move the game forward. Which I'll agree is next to nothing

First off, no, and secondly, by complaining like this you're continuing to do exactly nothing to move the game forward, so you can join Dunn on my ignore list until further notice unless you can come up with something genuinely helpful to contribute.

Denial of the truth does not make it untrue. Sorry

[lane0168]

And it is moving the game forward. By showing people your read is bad. Reasons are worse.

[lane0168]

lol

Can we lynch lane now

Excellent point. You are much better than me this game. I see it now.

GARBAGE LIKE THIS IS WHY I WANT TO LYNCH YOU TBH

Everyone has done almost nothing alignment indicative

Also this isn't true at all

Alright name the things that are alignment indicative

JUST GO ISO A RANDOM PLAYER IN THE GAME THAT ISN'T YOU AND YOU'LL FIND A FEW

Well that's a terrible reason when, as I've said, one wrong mislynch loses the game.

And you can't show me any cause there aren't any. And if I can iso a random person and find a few, then surely you should've come up with a scum read and not resort to policy lynching. Unless you're saying everyone in the game has done a few things town. Then you're just bad at reading people

[lane0168]

Yes Parama, if I'm Elsa you are boned, cause you're running me up page 9 when nobody has done shit to scum hunt. You're lucky I'm not Elsa. If I was none of that would've been my fault. It'd be on town or if you Postie and ari, forcing someone to claim page 9 when not shit has happened. How fucking awful are you guys

LIKE, SEE, IT'S THE ARROGANCE AND THE HYPOCRISY THAT GETS TO ME.

YOU REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. YOU INSTEAD BLAME THREE OTHER PEOPLE.
OCCAM'S RAZOR SAYS THAT YOU'RE THE PROBLEM WHEN THE MAJORITY IS AGAINST YOU
YOUR PLAY JUST SUCKS DUDE. OWN UP TO IT INSTEAD OF FLINGING INSULTS AROUND AND MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY LISTEN TO YOU

How am i the problem? 3 people isn't majority. Tell me how people trying to push my lynch for no reasons but policy is my problem? All you say is "this is bad that's bad this is why I'm lynching you" but haven't said a single thing about anyone being scum. That's shit. And not my problem whatsoever. Running someone up to l-2 is the problem. You're the one that can't admit that. That never should've happened when literally the only talk that's gone on its about what Elsa should do, and what the target should do. That's so bad

[lane0168]

It's literally impossible for me to be the problem of being run up to l-2 based on policy.

[lane0168]

I don't see a reason to keep someone who claimed not elsa alive.

Also l-2 tomorrow is going to be 2 votes so everybody needs to be very careful with their votes

HE SAYS, NOT VOTING LANE

Dude, why are you trying to power this lynch through. You have literally nothing on scum going into day 2. Not smart

[lane0168]

VOTE: postie

Pedit. I asked why you're trying to power the lynch through when you have nothing on scum. Not why I'm being lynched

[lane0168]

Not to mention the hypocrisy, Postie, you should realize I've done just as much as you to move the game forward. Which I'll agree is next to nothing

SEE, THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM

YOU'RE ADMITTING TO CRAP PLAY

AND YOU'RE GOING "BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT TOO" AS YOUR JUSTIFICATION

THAT.

THAT IS WHY YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

I'm not admitting to crap play. I'm saying there wasn't much to go off of, so it's not crap play. You yourself are lynching me based on policy. That's crap play. And I'm not using it as justification of anything. I'm using it as proof of your and posties and aris crap play of running me up to l-2 for shit reasons. That's worse than anything I have or haven't done. You're too blind to see that

[lane0168]

Postie and Parama are two of the biggest hypocrites I've ever encountered in my life. Mix that with not being able to comprehend why running someone up on policy is bad, and you've got a bad situation. Add actually blaming me for it, and its laughable

[lane0168]

WHOOSH

THERE IT GOES, THE POINT RIGHT OVER LANE'S HEAD

I'M DONE RESPONDING TO DEAD MAN WALKING ANYWAYS, WASTE OF TIME

Lol. Fails to use logic. Reiterates I'm the one not getting the point. Anyways. I'm glad you aren't going to respond to me. Maybe you'll use it to find scum. I'd steer clear of the policy lynches going forward though. You almost never find scum that way. That's why they're called policy lynches, and not scum hunting. Remember that in your future games

[lane0168]

im Not Doing Pramas Plan

[lane0168]

YOU DON'T HAVE TO, SINCE YOU'RE BEING LYNCHED TODAY

I know

[lane0168]

Will I got 3 votes for policy/ no reasons. And sircakez had expressed intention to lynch me or magna. We're either claiming at l-2 or we're not. We start not claiming at l-2 then it defeats the purpose. There's a reason we said that, and if we're not going to follow it then what's the point? If someone doesn't claim at l-2 then gets put at l-1 you have to lynch them anyways cause they're not claiming Elsa.

If I didn't claim scum would know. So it doesn't matter either way. Not sure why you call it dumb when there's a point, and that's what we're doing

[lane0168]

Nvmd. You're right dunn

Dunn-2 Lane - 0

[lane0168]

If you guys aren't going to do anything to find scum today can we lynch me now?