Micro 658 - Frozen [Game over]

[Dunnstral]

OK guys I've drafted up a strategy

Elsa chooses one person to reveal to a night. That person should claim each day and eventually decide on a person to lynch. It's important that you don't go back on this decision once you've selected someone.

The rest of town decides if we lynch that person, or the person who knows Elsa.
If the person who knows elsa is chosen to live, and Elsa lives, they will be clear

So for today:

VOTE: No lynch

[Dunnstral]

What if we executed my strategy but also lynched today

[Dunnstral]

It's not "risky" it's just based on a misunderstanding of how this set-up works.

No it isn't. It's easier to find town than scum. Even then, we have the chance to lynch the person Elsa visits if we think they're mafia

[Dunnstral]

2. IF I CHOOSE RIGHT, SCUM WILL KNOW ONE LESS PERSON WHO CAN BE ELSA

What's stopping Elsa from targeting the same person twice an d claiming to have been visited themselves? Scum can't really be making any assumptions

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral your thought process here makes no sense. What did you think the point of protecting Elsa from dying was if not that it made town lose???

???
Elsa would ideally target town at night. They have to visit plan or no so not sure what you're arguing

[Dunnstral]

Still doable. Elsa could target someone, claim to have been targeted, then lynch their target

I'm just saying hypothetically scum can't assume anything and this plan allows for strategic diversity

[Dunnstral]

Knowing Elsa's identity doesn't mean you're town unless a night phase has passed. It's gladiator style

[Dunnstral]

What if they're a terrible Mafia player?

Then don't Elsa visit them?

[Dunnstral]

But why would we gladiator this when we could... not do that?

Because we'll never lynch Elsa this way.

[Dunnstral]

I feel like you guys are misunderstanding something

[Dunnstral]

Then don't Elsa visit them?

What if Elsa is a terrible decision-maker?

What if this is the case and we don't follow my plan? We run into problems anyway

[Dunnstral]

IIRC Lohikäärme's has played Mafia before but not for a while so I'd put him off the table for now. Dunnstral I would trust not to screw things up. A Simple Plan, Parama, and MagnaofIllusion seem to have a fair bit of experience but I haven't played with them before so I can't comment on their abilities. Aristophanes and Cakez are probably sub-optimal choices, but also not terrible. lane0168 I would avoid. I'd put myself just above Aristo/Cakez. Either way Dunnstral's usually obvtown as town so we'll probably be going there first if he rolled town this game.

Why avoid me?

I've never seen you understand the game setup you were in

Sorry pal

[Dunnstral]

I feel like you guys are misunderstanding something

I UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK IT SUCKS.

The biggest misunderstanding seems to have been that I was asking for your opinion on my plan; I wasn't. I was telling you what we were going to do. If needed we can lynch someone day 1 anyway. As for the actual plan you won't be able to hold me back anymore

As for the caps rage thing you need to let that go

[Dunnstral]

Why is it important to not change your mind?

This is why you're not a good Elsa target. Flopping around just reveals non-elsa players that then never die

Even if you think they're town after, accept that you could be wrong. Don't make a decision if you're not ready to stick to it

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, you can't just appoint yourself as town leader. Your plan means nothing if no one follows it.

They will be following it by tomorrow.

All that's left to decide is whether we kill or not today. What do you think?

[Dunnstral]

We have a very short amount of time to establish Town reads in this game.

I'd argue this could have been a blitz easily and 8 days is a lot of time

[Dunnstral]

Also I think post 11 contributed to the discussion myself

[Dunnstral]

Why is it important to not change your mind?

This is why you're not a good Elsa target. Flopping around just reveals non-elsa players that then never die

Even if you think they're town after, accept that you could be wrong. Don't make a decision if you're not ready to stick to it

So just that person can't change there mind, we don't necessarily have to lynch out of those 2 if the consensus is they're both town.

If i an picked and you see I'm town how likely are you to trust my pick?

No.

You don't lynch outside the two because that risks revealing Elsa.

[Dunnstral]

Disagree on Arena - I was basically being deathtunneled by multiple town that really didn't have a reason

[Dunnstral]

To keep numbers odd

Odds are just yolo lynching someone scummy day 1 won't hit elsa, but it is a risk

I'd argue we don't need odds because evens make it a bit harder to find Elsa

[Dunnstral]

It's not awful. Give a real reason why it's bad and I can prove you wrong

[Dunnstral]

I explained #1 just now: Evens don't matter OR we can lynch d1 anyway
#2: I explained that Elsa could theoretically claim to have been visited themself.

#3 isn't limited to my plan because Elsa would visit either way

[Dunnstral]

#2: I explained that Elsa could theoretically claim to have been visited themself.

Theoretically yes but she wouldn't do that

because then we would be guaranteed to lose

.

Don't assume scum would kil confirmed town. Maybe, even probably n1 they would. After that; realize that they're also "confirmed" as not Elsa

[Dunnstral]

#2: I explained that Elsa could theoretically claim to have been visited themself.

What point would there be in doing that, though? It'd be kind of a broken game if she were able to.

Sorry everyone, just getting in here and I'm tired and working harder than normal on comprehension.

I'm not saying Elsa would actually visit themself

[Dunnstral]

Don't assume scum would kil confirmed town. Maybe, even probably n1 they would. After that; realize that they're also "confirmed" as not Elsa

It's not about who scum kills. If Elsa picks a townie,

we lose no matter who gets lynched

.

...?

Unless, you know, they pick scum to lynch

[Dunnstral]

I HAVEN'T WORKED OUT HOW WE SHOULD SCUMHUNT IN THIS GAME BUT I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT

I have an idea

Dunn wtf are you doing man

Discussing strategy

[Dunnstral]

Tell me how.

[Dunnstral]

ok losers

Tell me your amazing ideas on how we're going to play this out

[Dunnstral]

ELSA DECIDES WHO TO ELSA. THAT'S EASY.

...

But does everyone else do

[Dunnstral]

*what does

[Dunnstral]

Gonna have to spell out the whole words

[Dunnstral]

I like how everyone told me to stop pushing my plan

I stop

Immediately everyone else stops posting

[Dunnstral]

That plan sucks

[Dunnstral]

the problem is we have a good chance of lynching elsa when nobody knows who she is

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: a simple plan

Let's lynch this guy withotu waiting for a claim

[Dunnstral]

no can do

[Dunnstral]

nice caps

[Dunnstral]

Think he means two separate nights

[Dunnstral]

ok let's lynch somebody scummy then



VOTE: SirCakez

[Dunnstral]

I'd like to think "scummy" is his natural state of existence and occasionally as town he'll try and show it

[Dunnstral]

I'm

[Dunnstral]

town

[Dunnstral]

I like scum-hunting and Elsa claiming to town myself. With no reveals which greatly diminishes chance of accidentally revealing Elsa. I wouldn't trust myself to find scum before the town could find scum before scum could find me. So if else is anything like me, we should really consider not doing that plan.

Aristo, I appreciate the humour but you're almost as bad as lane at this point.

Tell me

Who are we lynching today?

There isn't anyone who is better than I am at that point, and if you think you are yours delusional. Everyone has done almost nothing alignment indicative, and everyone has done almost no scum hunting. So stop

lol

[Dunnstral]

I don't see a reason to keep someone who claimed not elsa alive.

Also l-2 tomorrow is going to be 2 votes so everybody needs to be very careful with their votes

[Dunnstral]

I don't see a reason to keep someone who claimed not elsa alive.

Also l-2 tomorrow is going to be 2 votes so everybody needs to be very careful with their votes

HE SAYS, NOT VOTING LANE

chill

[Dunnstral]

Somebody tell me

Are we going with aristophanes plan or no? I know we're not doing mine

[Dunnstral]

Oh

I don't like that plan

[Dunnstral]

so if lane were scum claiming elsa day 1 would be a real fast way to lose the game anyways

So he could have hoped that this claim would save him


On the other hand, I personally believe he's more likely to be town

But I think his claim was real dumb. The l-2 thing is so scum can't quickhammer easily. You're not elsa so you shouldn't worry so much about claiming at l-2 (and there were no other intentions to vote you)

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: lane0168

[Dunnstral]

Really