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Post #41 (isolation #0) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:49 am
Postby qubixes »
Is everyone done being excited about being able to vote for more than one person?
I don't understand. The fact that we can vote more than one person doesn't mean POE at the start of D1 is suddenly any better? I feel like I'm missing a joke or something.
I don't think we should stick to one wagon. The fact that we're able to have multiple wagons more easily seem like the most beneficial part of the double voter mechanic, because it forces scum to chose.
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Post #43 (isolation #1) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:28 am
Postby qubixes »
I think town focusing on only one person is not very favorable either. It just leads to confbias and tunneling. With the multiple votes, you can be hammered by an "independent" now instead of only people on the other wagon, so if anything being on a L-1 wagon is more scary now than before.
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Post #45 (isolation #2) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:36 am
Postby qubixes »
Yes, and that is why I have a friendly request for Lowell, Not_Mafia and ecane to unvote their BS votes, tyvm.
There is only 2 mafia in the game, so I suggest to have 0, 1 or 2 votes at maximum. I don't think we'll have too many wagons if everyone keeps it at that. It also makes counting votes much easier, and people can be actually held accountable for their votes.
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Post #67 (isolation #7) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:42 am
Postby qubixes »
I feel we're well out of RVS now, so I don't really understand what the goal is at this point in time? Are you saying you're trying to engage them in the game by encouraging them to RVS?
Everyone was still at L-1 when flubbernugget made that remark, right?
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Post #80 (isolation #9) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:13 am
Postby qubixes »
In post 66, nmego12345 wrote:I was trying to make people random vote* And that was directed to Aelin and malpascp who weren't very active as well.
In post 70, nmego12345 wrote:I was asking them why didn't they random vote AT THAT TIME. not now
I'm confused, please explain how the two statements together make sense. You did suggest that Aelin could now make a vote since there have been a lot of unvotes. Do you suggest she make a RVS vote, or a serious vote? I'll repeat my original question then: what is the purpose of trying to make her vote?
Do you think participating in RVS is alignment indicative (if so which way)?
In post 57, qubixes wrote:
Regardless of anyone acknowledging the post, what are your thoughts on it? Why do you think it should be acknowledged?
When someone doesn't have anything to say, directly interacting with them or talking about them is the best way to give them something to say
Why did you not start yourself then? "Did no one acknowledge this?" is kind of a weird starter. Do you think it is suspicious/alignment indicative or not?
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Post #114 (isolation #11) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:54 am
Postby qubixes »
I still don't get it, are you always doing POE at the start on day 1? I mean, we have an extra lynch before getting to Lylo, but I don't see how that makes a didference for trying to find scum? And why Aelin instead of malpascp?
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Post #175 (isolation #16) » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:55 am
Postby qubixes »
In post 135, nmego12345 wrote:qubixes, creature linked you to 2 of his games, did you see them? what do you think of that?
I actually read one of those, but I didn't get far enough to the PoE... Anyway, the big problem I had was not really the PoE itself, but more that it seemed like he was using it as a smoke screen, so that he doesn't need to take real stances on other people (other than apparently calling others town for *reasons*). I now read the two linked games more carefully (only early game), and I think in one of the games he takes more significant stances, while the other not so much.
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Post #176 (isolation #17) » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:07 am
Postby qubixes »
@Creature: which posts do you think are not made by newbscum?
I was townreading him mainly for 101. It just seemed a bit too bizarre and awkward to come from scum. If I assume for a second this is nervous scum going "oh shit I'm getting caught", I think 166 is a bit too contrasting with that idea.
@nmego: Which posts by lowell are (gut) screaming town to you?
Did you find particular posts by nmego that gave you scum vibes?
What do you think of my (short) analysis of nmego in 176? I'll add that there does seem to be a change in attitude after getting (kind of?) called out by ecane in 142. All in all, I'm not seeing the obv-town, but I'm not really leaning scum on him either.
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Post #209 (isolation #21) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:34 am
Postby qubixes »
In post 204, Thor665 wrote:
For Nmego it is pretty much a body of work opinion. As noted in my earlier discussion about him - I find his posting pretty empty.
I think you finding his sudden eagerness to leap onto the Creature wagon to not be a particularly brilliant example to hold up as townish. Even if I presume he's town, he looks just eager to make any wagon happen in that post. If I presume he's scum he's opportunistic, and playing a protective game on himself. Neither is a particularly good look, and the scum one at least presumes he cares, so feels more likely in a vacuum.
I'm interested to hear nmego explain his reasoning, but if he's town, I'm assuming he feels strongly about the read, not just to make any wagon happen. How did you get that impression from the post?
He wasn't really in any kind of danger imo, at least superficially speaking from the way others seemed to read him. So he would have to realize that his non-committal style was going to be a danger to him. He might have for sure (that's why I added the ecane comment, because it reads as a hint in that direction), but given his newer player status this is at least somewhat less likely. Why do you think it could be opportunistic? Given the state of the game it's hard to imagine creature getting lynched over that, though to be fair newbie scum might not realize that.
I do agree with his posting being empty, and on the safe side for the most part. I could see newbie town doing that as well though.
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Post #211 (isolation #22) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:15 am
Postby qubixes »
I'm trying to get a better read on nmego, so I'm trying to bounce off my ideas about the slot to you. I have a town read on your slot. Understanding your thought process could also help solidify (or not) both my reads (though most importantly nmego's). Anyway, if we agree, then yes it is kind of pointless.
I don't have anything to add to the accusations towards flubbernugget (i.e. I agree). I have no read on N_M, because of the lack of posts.
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Post #227 (isolation #23) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:13 pm
Postby qubixes »
@ecane:
I was having similar reservations about flubbernugget (57, 93). His answers felt a bit like evasive maneuvering. I thought Aelin made the most towny entrance this game, with a strong suggestion of a newer player. (Though it looks like I'm the only one...) Anyway, flubbernuggets question seemed a bit suggestive and as an attempted to start a fire without having to acknowledge starting it. If Aelin was a very experienced player, I don't think it would be as great a deal.
In post 219, Thor665 wrote:How does evidence (or lack thereof) of the slot being newb matter to me claiming the slot is town?
I also note you dodged the question for a second time.
I told you why I thought nmego was town. I then gave you examples. I brought you to water and you didn't drink. That's fine. Handwaving that by accusing me of dodging your question is dishonest and scummy.
I think Thor is asking a very reasonable question. In 195 you talk about the "growing pains" of nmego being indicative of newb!town. Why would newb!scum not show these growing pains?
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Post #234 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:59 am
Postby qubixes »
I looked through nmego's other game (scum). It looks like at least his productivity isn't very alignment indicative. His demeanor looks a bit less like a newbie in that game, which confuses me a bit, but perhaps that is because it was a Newbie game. His style was quite different than in this game though. Oh, and it seems he got replaced 2/2 games so far...
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Post #254 (isolation #27) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:09 am
Postby qubixes »
In post 246, Lowell wrote:@Thor- my move was bold and awesome. Her move was designed to look brave but was actually an attempt to stall progress. When someone does something exciting, then someone else does a lesser version of that same thing, the second person is scummy.
Also, creature is now town.
So, putting 2 people at L-1 on the second page is more towny than putting everyone at L-2? I know that anti-town != scum, but are you subscribing to the idea of anti-town == town? Or do you think putting two people at L-1 so early is actually kind of ok?
Why is creature now town? From what I can tell he is moving in rather the opposite direction (from yours).
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Post #255 (isolation #28) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:32 am
Postby qubixes »
I'm having some trouble with placing flubbernugget. From an "objective"/"rational" point of view he checks a lot of boxes.
- Makes a suggestive post on Aelin, then later declares he wasn't suspicious.
- Theory talk
- Calls nmego obvious town, but has a hard time explaining it.
- Defending in a rather evasive way.
- Seems to focus more on defending than scum hunting when under pressure.
(- Double voting)
Then again, for some reason I'm still not sure. I think it has to do with his style of posting.
@Thor: you seem to have some experience playing with flubber. Do you have additional insight on the way he is posting here?
@flubber: Apart from defending yourself, what are your thoughts on the game? Do you think Thor's attack on you is scum or town motivated? Do you (strongly) scum read ecane?
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Post #271 (isolation #32) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:52 am
Postby qubixes »
Well, if there is a game to lynch someone for inactivity I'd say it's the one where you have an extra lynch before LyLo. I prefer to wait for the replacement first though.
In post 255, qubixes wrote:
@flubber: Apart from defending yourself, what are your thoughts on the game? Do you think Thor's attack on you is scum or town motivated? Do you (strongly) scum read ecane?
VOTE: flubernugget
My reads really haven't changed. I could see Thor as scum in a vacuum. His perspective on 46 is REALLY shady, as highlighted by 198, 218, 222, 224, 251, and part of this post. However, nm and lowell are still stronger scum reads. NM may not be very active as town, but he knows how to post at least
something
relevant. Lowell's continuous question dodges from ecane and 230 are also
really
bad.
Why do you think I am only defending myself when I talk to Thor?
also, quote me where I said I scum read ecane
I disagree with you that Thor's perspective is shady, but your perspective is obviously different from mine.
I reread the last part of the ISO, and I still think the majority of your posting lately has been defensively, regarding your actions at the start of the game and the nmego town read. I didn't actually say you were
only
defending yourself, just that it seems to be the focus.
I didn't say you scum read ecane... I asked you whether you did! The reason I asked it was because of:
In post 221, Flubbernugget wrote:
Ecane's 26 looked like pushing towards an easy accidental mislynch under the guise of getting reactions. This is especially so considering there was some decent anti town behavior that sat before 26 for comment
If you don't have a scum read on ecane, you are just throwing shade around. So did you scum read ecane or not? Because your "show me where I said I scum read ecane" is suggesting you don't scum read her.
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Post #277 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:01 am
Postby qubixes »
@N_M Wow, that was a quick summon... Thoughts on the game?
Reading through the rules it should be for both lynches, because it says a Day is two weeks and there are two lynches per Day... Didn't realize that though, so I understand Creature's worries better now. We should try to have some time after the flip to discuss the next lynch.
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Post #293 (isolation #39) » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:17 am
Postby qubixes »
In post 284, Flubbernugget wrote:Thor accused nmego of being opportunistic. I wanted to know why he pointed this out without saying anything about three other players that were behaving in a similar way.
You're not making much sense to me, but maybe it's just me being thickheaded.
Does no one want to play this game or something? Let's try summoning N_M again...
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Post #319 (isolation #40) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:47 am
Postby qubixes »
In post 294, Flubbernugget wrote:If three players are acting opportunistic, what sense does it make to only call out one of them?
I presume you are talking about the following:
In post 204, Thor665 wrote:If I presume he's scum he's opportunistic, ...
It does not sound like a strong call out towards nmego being opportunistic (given the conditional form). Also it was a response to my analysis specifically on nmego.
Regardless, my question still stands. Do you scum read ecane (for 26)?
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Post #325 (isolation #41) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:54 am
Postby qubixes »
@Creature: Hard to say about Not_Mafia, given the activity, but I don't think the fake hammer looks particularly towny to me. The fact that he posted a couple of minutes after calling for a prod on his slot seems rather suspect.
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Post #327 (isolation #42) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:01 am
Postby qubixes »
@Not_mafia: any opinions on anything?
I am not sure malpascp activity is NAI, since he seems to be more active on the site than he is in this particular game. Does anyone have personal experience with his lurking style?
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Post #374 (isolation #49) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:44 am
Postby qubixes »
Maybe I'm not speaking for everyone, but I didn't think he had (much) more than 2/8 chance to be lynched. The deadline was also getting closer, and I couldn't get N_M or Lowell lynched.
In post 374, qubixes wrote:Maybe I'm not speaking for everyone, but I didn't think he had (much) more than 2/8 chance to be lynched. The deadline was also getting closer, and I couldn't get N_M or Lowell lynched.
How were you trying to get them lynched? You haven't even mentioned them much during the game.
I put them both at L-1. I'm not saying I tried very hard by arguing, that's true. In that sense I haven't really tried to get anyone lynched really.
Currently, I'm feeling quite strongly about Lowell though. I think his reaction to N_M's fakehammer can easily come from scum. He points at N_M being obv town, which if Lowell flips scum gives about 0 information to town. And he just repeats his read on me.
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Post #398 (isolation #51) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:14 am
Postby qubixes »
In post 393, Lowell wrote:VOTE: flubber
I feel like we've been trying to do this forever. That it keeps getting stalled is a good sign we're on the right track.
"We"? Looking at your voting history, there is little trace of it. And it's not like you have been pushing it otherwise either. Or do you mean "we" as in the scum team?
Also, you forgot to vote me. Or did I lose my scum status?
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Post #417 (isolation #53) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:18 am
Postby qubixes »
@Thor: Do you think missing something you said is indicative of scum though? Personally, I'd think scum to be more concerned about keeping their story straight/not making mistakes than town is. And I think you're bending the truth quite a bit by saying the insistence of getting an answer is an attack. Yes, it could be used as a line of attack, but as it stands he was just trying to get an answer.
And it's kind of funny you accuse flubber of desperately attacking you. From my perspective it is the complete opposite. You are desperately attacking flubber since you came into this game, whereas flubber has been mostly defending himself against it. I mean, he tried to get Lowell and Not_Mafia lynched, not you!
I looked through the interactions between you and Lowell, and if Lowell flips scum I'm pretty sure you're his partner. If he flips town, I'll have to think a bit more..
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Post #426 (isolation #55) » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:37 am
Postby qubixes »
Ugh, this game. I feel like I might as well random vote. Not sure about N_M yet. It would be kind of the third low engagement vote, and so far there hasn't been much success...
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Post #453 (isolation #59) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:06 am
Postby qubixes »
Then how do you define taking heat? Because from my perspective she wasn't pressured all that much. By my own definition at least half of the players took more heat than her: