Micro 664: The Walking Dead S2E1 GAME OVER

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ego

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BTW I intend to play through the entire season

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Since I don't feel like RVSing, I'll RQS.

Why did you join this game?
Who here would you trust with your vote if they were town?
What roles do you not like?

For me:
So I can play the entire Season 2 run.
SirCakez, maybe BBT. I'm not too familiar with BBT and would like to get to know him better this game.
Bus Driver. Causes too much chaos.

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@Gamma - why BBT if you say you don't know them that well?

I think they can be good but last time I played them they weren't so good. I'm thinking it might have been a fluke performance.

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1)BBT because I haven't played with him since my first game here.
2)Neapolitan is a recent favorite. It can be used to detect lying scum in massclaim.
3)I really don't get RVS but I usually do it anyways. I feel if a RVS wagon gets rolling it can get some interesting reactions.

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@Jin - those are a few examples. Or like Gamma said, a bus driver. Godfathers, millers, etc. Basically anything that can screw up or provide false investigative reports.

@Gamma - based on what you say I'd think they wouldn't be a good choice then, no?

Yeah I guess.

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Wow, rude!

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No, what makes you think that?

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My posts are:
Filler
RQS
And me saying you might be a good player.
How is any of that super scummy? The filler is iffy but I won't deny that it's filler.

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what

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Why did you join this game?
Who here would you trust with your vote if they were town?
What roles do you not like?

1. I thought it was an interesting theme. After reading through the other games in this series, I was certain that I wanted to join.
2. I would trust Gamma. I've played a few games with him on my main account. He's an excellent player.
3. I hate the bodyguard role.

Here are a few questions from me

1. Do you prefer playing town or scum?
2. What is your favorite role to play?

1. Scum. I find myself gelling more into the game.
2. I haven't played very many, but I did like the flavor I got in Death Note Mafia. I did enjoy playing cop when I got it though.

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Also I think I may know why Elmer's main is.

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OK that's cool.

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There's barely any posts why TF would a MQ be necessary?

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HE

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Code: Select all

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SAJ's concerns feel legitimate, but they are unfounded. RVS wagons are okay as long as they don't end up reaching hammer way too soon. I had a game where town and only town RVS lynched a townie.

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RED ALERT!
I find SAJ's talking down of early game reads very scummy based on past games.
VOTE: Secret Agent Jin

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It's mainly from one game, but there's two independent samples of it. One guy defined his read strength and two people hopped on him, with each being on opposite scumteams.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68337

@Blackstar

What do you make of Aubrey refusing the "not scum because newbie" read I gave her?

On a scale of "more likely than random to be evil" to "SCUM SCUM LYNCH LYNCH" how strongly are you actually scumreading Aubrey? Because I could see an early vote based on the former but you're arguing as if it's the latter.

Like 5. That's higher than everyone else though

This is the post that caused the fuss

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When did I imply it was a high or a strong SR?


It's the wrong one. Rather, it's the one that scum makes IMO.




Willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, though. You have a couple more strikes.

Defcon 5 is actually the lowest.

Seriously though, 5/10 sounds about as strong as I ever get in most games. Maybe we're just using the scale differently though? You're the one who quoted it along with saying you're not hard-scunreading Aubrey so obviously you don't think it's a contradiction.

These are the resonses from scum.
I linked the thread in the last post because there was something along the lines of "page X is no good for reads but page Y is?" and I don't remember where it was.

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BlackStar caught shade from Zach and Umlaut for quantifying an early read

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Yes. Scum seem to disregard early game content as meaningless.

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Of course there's worthwhile content. People have formed opinions on other's play and are pushing what they feel is not as townie as the rest.

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BBT probtown
SAJ scummy
ArcAngel might be lurkerscum

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I'm of the same opinion as was stated previously: she confirmed without posting which is suspicious.

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8 slots have posted

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VOTE: Secret Agent

This is a serious vote. First scum found.

So your vote on me was not serious?

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Yeah Josh is suspect for not acknowledging L-1

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Great job Joshz/BBT, you fucked everything up.

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AA never showed up, TB replaced out, we lynched a fucking PR day 1
gfdi

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Let's try this.
VOTE: Joshz

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Keep trying Dave.

So either you don't know how to count, or you're terrible scum.
Which is it?

Or the fact he missed Joshz's vote, which is probable.

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I'd rather lynch pirate mollie for the half-baked coaching accusations.

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VOTE: pirate mollie

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I'd rather lynch pirate mollie for the half-baked coaching accusations.

plz omgus moar

Haha you are justifying my vote even more. It's chainsaw defense.

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I don't think someone who has played for 4 years can get Mafia terms mixed up that badly.

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I AM HATED TOWNIE AND GET LYNCHED AT L-1 SO I'M ONE AWAY FROM HAMMER

This is something you should have claimed at game start.

I would like to test this theory out.

How about NO.

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Joshz is new so he probably did not know about claiming NU roles at the start of the game.

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I'd rather lynch pirate mollie for the half-baked coaching accusations.

plz omgus moar

Haha you are justifying my vote even more. It's chainsaw defense.

who exactly am I chainsaw defending here?

I have not even mentioned other players

I'm saying my vote was not OMGUS, it is closest to chainsaw defense.

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What motivation does town have to test a hated claim?

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eta: except for you, gamma. am I chainsaw defending YOU????????

LOL plz read. I said I was chainsaw defending KNIGHTMARE.

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I don't think someone who has played for 4 years can get Mafia terms mixed up that badly.

what terms did I get mixed up exactly?

OMGUS and chainsaw defense.

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Mollie, vote Josh please.

Gamma, stop defending Josh before I lynch you.

I blocked knightmare last night hell no am I letting this go

if you hammered joshz and he flips town I am unfriending you

That's what I expected.
VOTE: knightmare

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VOTE: josh
Fine wagoning any of Josh, gamma and jin

agree with you on gamma but cld you help me out plz?

GAMMA

this is where I mentioned you and why your vote looks like an omgus cos I was fosing you

so I am not confused at all!!!

Okay, I actually didn't give a shit about that post.

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pirate mollie, you should state a target for if knightmare flips roleblocker or some other pr that can prevent your ability from working.

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I'd say block BBT for that push on Joshz

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Well it's her choice but I'm just saying one for if she doesn't respond

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NU means negative utility. It's roles/modifiers like miller, ascetic, macho, hated, stuff like that.

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Unless you're loved as well you got lynched.

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pirate mollie, Gamma Emerald, BBT, SAJ
Oh dammit that's right there was a no kill.
And how do you know you lost your vest?

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Joshz please hammer knightmare

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I was told my BPV got blown off.

It was 1x. Which fits considering the JOAT had a vig shot

That's not Normal.
Thanks for scum claiming.

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[*]Bulletproofs are not informed whether or not they are hit.

I asked the same question about whether people were informed they were shot normally in another game and the mod said this.

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IIRC it's the same case for Newbie games too.

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We need one more vote to hammer.

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The vote was not omgus I literally didn't notice that post beyond the first time I read it until you pointed it out

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Stop
FUCKING
DOING THAT

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Probably because he's scum. Dave's only push was on BBT.

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VOTE: BBT

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I don't care about meta
BBT isn't playing towards a town wincon.

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I forgot Josh claimed Hated Townie.

VOTE: Gamma

I believe this but I still think you're scum

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I don't care about meta
BBT isn't playing towards a town wincon.

neither have you with god awful push on me in the prvs day round with your even worse sucking up to obvs!scum knightmare and your insistence in ending the day round as fast as you cld and shutting down discussion.

so just to make myself clear this is where I am at:

VOTE: gamma emerald

catching up now

I didn't OMGUS vote you, I paid no mind to that post
Your stated reasons for SRing knightmare felt like misapplied buzzwords

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srsly
Your reasons you stated for voting him were p terrible before you claimed your result
Also you say he was being coached: do you think I'm good st scum enough to do that?

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srsly
Your reasons you stated for voting him were p terrible before you claimed your result
Also you say he was being coached: do you think I'm good st scum enough to do that?

my reasons for voting him are what I read on d1. since I caught scum and you didn't do you srsly think you have a leg to stand on in this convo?

by your own words you didn't read what I had to say so how wld you know if they were bad or not?

you are doing the same thing bbt as you tried to do to me yesterday; voting some1 who is softing a pr. and the you have the nerve to fucking discredit me yeah no

ANOTHER VOTE ON GAMMA PLZ

Creeps never softed

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The thing that seals the deal for me is the fact BBT kept voting Joshz after the hated claim, WANTING TO TEST IT. That is not pro-town.

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I'm usually shit at catching softs
Don't you think I'd try more AS SCUM?

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I'm usually shit at catching softs
Don't you think I'd try more AS SCUM?

I do want to respect you by answering this.

I can usually spot speshuls when I am town but when I am scum I suck at it. like srsly, I was scum in a game once and the only nk I suggested turned out to be the only bp in a 27 player multiball game lol.

OK
I think you're trying to fit my play into your mold

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Do you know how hated actually works?

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I'm going to have to do mod meta

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actually just reread my role pm, i specifically do not lose it in lylo or mylo

Okay that's crazy
So you just DIE in 3p LyLo essentially? Because one vote would lynch you.

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That's completely unbalanced if you're town

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I'm usually shit at catching softs
Don't you think I'd try more AS SCUM?

I do want to respect you by answering this.

I can usually spot speshuls when I am town but when I am scum I suck at it. like srsly, I was scum in a game once and the only nk I suggested turned out to be the only bp in a 27 player multiball game lol.

OK
I think you're trying to fit my play into your mold

I might very well be

I wld like explanations as to why you were working in concert with knightmare and why you felt the need to rush the day. like I wld very much like for you to address my cogent points on your play instead of only selectively answering what you think doesn't fit with what you feel like you are doing.

I didn't see what you were talking about with knightmare
I was rushing because I didn't want any unvotes

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Josh, there is no way a Hated Townie can still be activated in LyLo.

That's absurd. And if that's the case, you're today's lynch.

This post is actually very rational.

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BBT, I'm going to trust you because I feel the same way
VOTE: Joshz

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Yo plz don't use autism as an insult

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but you are giving up the opportunity to lynch both to lynch me instead

Yep.

You shld probably go think about that.

ISO on knight rules out Josh and gamma and bbt

So how does the ISO on knight rule out Josh and Gamma but not myself?

Yes how? I got jack shit when I partner-ISOd him.

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I don't think it's that simple. I'm p sure scum has a rb/jk based on my ideas of setup design.

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One second.

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In the season finale T-Dog was town BG. I'll look at his description, but is there a stated flavor reason for why you are hated, Joshz?

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Massclaim today?
I'm Rick Grimes, VT.

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CLAIM ACTIONS SAJ!

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Hider visits people and if they are killed at night or are scum the hider dies.

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Okay that makes sense, but it would have been better to visit more people. Unless you're trying to avoid PoEing yourself by claiming more actions. We had an extra death, yours would have been too much of a loss.

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BBT claim now.

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You will be obstructing balance analysis.

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My character is protecting yours.
SO I DON'T GET WHY I'M NOT SOME SORT OF PROTECTIVE!

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I believe scum have a JK. There's a vig shot with the JOAT and plenty of other power around. Hider exceeds what I believe is reasonable power.

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Let's compile.
Odd night RB
track doc vig JOAT
hated townie
VT or hider
3 VTs
against a 1-shot jan and a ?JK?

[Gamma Emerald]

Town has a vig shot, meaning protection makes sense. With the immense town power, the blocking makes sense too.

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Actually it's convenient: by hiding behind the same guy, he clears less people.

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What I'm going to do is cut the fakeclaim fat by finding who is pretty much guaranteed to NOT be one.

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Not a fakeclaim. People who are tied to the episode's flavor.

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BBT claim Sophia, I claim Rick Grimes. There's no way those are not in the game. SC is cleared, so it has to be SAJ.
VOTE: Secret Agent Jin.

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Scum has SOMETHING to avoid PR hits.

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knightmare was blocked without telegraphing, it couldn't have been expected.

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I've had the scum PR theories since PM claimed.

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My character is in the VC flavor.

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Well, the accusations are either "knightmare association", or some vague shit no one fucking specified (looking at you, BBT). My best I can give for the knightmare situation is A) I didn't notice PM softing the block, so I figured she was scum making shit up and B) knightmare was probably trying to buddy with me. Which means you should look at the end of D1 where he threw shade at me.

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Hi Mollie,

I'm not sure I mistakenly hammer people all the time? Can you help me wagon Josh please?

yes. yes you do. don't make me do a meta dive.

I have reason to vote knightmare rn.

but go look at his iso; I'd say he is being coached.

Soft

Mollie, vote Josh please.

Gamma, stop defending Josh before I lynch you.

I blocked knightmare last night hell no am I letting this go

if you hammered joshz and he flips town I am unfriending you

Full claim

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@BBT: How abour you explain why you've been scumreading me since Day 1.

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Why??? What makes you think so?

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SC, Please wait. I'm going to try to show how me and knightmare can't be buddies.

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Pretty much the only person I wouldn't want to lynch atp is BBT

Need moar townies to start town posting plz

This tbh is not much of a "im not scum" point, but a "BBT might be scum" point. But it's still something.

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I didn't have real bad feelings about BBT before but the hammer kind of screws that up. There was a VC on the same page and Joshz put him at L-1 right after the mod posted it

Joshz looks bad for poor content
Jin approaching "why me" scum tell territory
Gamma pushing bad angles for scum reads
Angel is AWOL

2/4 of those are scum imo unless BBT comes back guilty or something. Gamma/Jin should never be scum together

Nice little parting shot right here.

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Also, note how I INSTANTLY called BS on the BP claim once I noticed claimed he saw the hit.

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Wow, I did not know that was hammer.

Someone should investigate me to ensure I am not an easy mislynch for scum to push tomorrow.

You've been here since 2014...
I don't even remotely believe you didn't mean to hammer.
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Keep trying Dave.

So either you don't know how to count, or you're terrible scum.
Which is it?

Can we get a vote count?

So wait
We're just ignoring that BlueBloodedToffee hammered because he can't count?

Rather unimpressive ISO, so why did Dave die Night 2?

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Well I'm trying to show how I'm not scum currently. If I was scum, I probably would have bussed knightmare sooner, instead of voting him when PM announced the block.

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Please end this SC.

Gamma is so obviously scum it hurts.

Then point out EVERYTHING you find scummy in my ISO.
UNVOTE:

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Do it or you have no case.

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VOTE: BBT
This guy's blind tunnel on me, combined with association with knightmare, has convinced me he is scum.
SirCakez, you can either play into scum's hand and vote me, or you can see the the obvious setup and vote BBT. SAJ is a choice you have, but I'm not taking that path. BBT is actually scummy, while SAJ just has a scummy playstyle.
Look at how knightmare read me and SAJ compared to BBT.

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Blocking me is a waste.

Mollie, do not waste it on me.

This is probably softing his PR tbh

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Im not seeing scum!BBT, i think you struggled to actually build a case on me and then flipped to BBT to take the pressure off of yourself.

No, I realized while you were sorta scummy, BBT was actually scummy. Look at how he can't articulate ANY CASE on me.

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The lack of a case is scummy because by not pointing out what is scummy, I can't defend myself. Let me go archive crawl for a quote I remember demonstrating my point.

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From my first game here:

Gamma Emerald: You do realize this is a serious allegation. This is our best lead currently. You will explain your selective hyperactivity.

Infinity324: This is kinda random, but I found this post very towny. Scum don't want townies to defend themselves against their accusations, they want to be able to push with impunity.

And the best part is: remember how I said I played with BBT before? It was the same game this quote comes from, and he was in and reading when this was posted. That means he KNOWS it's a valid strategy.

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I was SRing SAJ, but BBT's inability to put up actual reasoning for why I am scum is much worse than anything SAJ has done.

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It's convenient for you at this point to just sit there and let things play out, the odds are stacked against me.
Look at what he's saying: he's saying since I'm the likely lynch he doesn't have to put effort in to solve the game.

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Correct.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Given the odds are highly stacked in my favour, you should start explaining why I'm scum and stop defending yourself.

"Your" favor. Nice word choice.

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I was SRing SAJ, but BBT's inability to put up actual reasoning for why I am scum is much worse than anything SAJ has done.

I haven't really said much about why I scumread you either. What's the difference?

A) You're conftown bro.
B) He's had me as a pocket SR for quite a while so I want him to pull up my ISO and point out what he finds scummy.

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You're almost confirmed town.

I'm his only available mislynch.

We should lynch Gamma now.

He IS confirmed town. Casting shade on the technical IC I see.

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I think I get where BBT is coming from on Gamma

BBT probtown
SAJ scummy
ArcAngel might be lurkerscum

Ok that's a start

Agree w BBT

Is AA a meta thing? You're the second to mention lurkscum now

@Cakez - answer my question?

Yes, Gamma looked scummy, his RQS just looked like trying to look town and fake, and Jin is scummy for obvious reasons

I don't like these posts that are trying to start a wagon on Gamma, there is not even enough posts to get any half-solid reads on anyone. We are 3 pages in and people havent even had a chance to have AI posts.

This is sketchy as hell
When would you consider there to be enough pages for a "solid read"?

In my beliefs, you can start to make solid reads after everyone settles in and starts to analyze one another. We are still in RVS IMO, there are people still goofing around and the Gamma votes are not based off of any real reads, mainly the BBT posts. Creeps is all over the place and Joshz's posts dont make sense. We are too early in the game to be jumping on wagons.

And how do you know the Gamma votes aren't from real reads???
Just because posts are "all over the place/don't make sense" doesn't mean they can't be analyzed

BBT looks to be basing his Gamma vote off gut feelings but hasn't have reasoning because there isnt any. Do me a favor, find me a reason to vote Gamma. I posted my thoughts on the Gamma wagon before it started because i rather a wagon not start on someone that hasnt done anything scummy. I dont know how my attempt to stop a Gamma wagon or anything i posted is scummy but apparently Gamma thinks i am scummy. He has played with me before and in those games i have been called a naturally scummy player. I guess it is my playstyle but every game i join people find me scummy. Anyways i am not saying the random posts cant be analyzed, i am saying that some people use RVS for joking around and nonsense posts, you can analyze those posts but in my opinion they wont tell you much about people's alignments and actual motivation towards the game.

See below re; Gamma
You trying to shoot down progressing the game is what is scummy.

VOTE: creeps

Probably scum. All of their content is bleh.

This is obvious scum now, there was 0 follow up to this until Creeps got lolhammered. Plus the instant doubt casting to BBT post hammer.
BBT's lolhammer, while completely moronic, looks like dumb town to me.

Not a pocket SR, you had reasoning.

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That's from very very early on though
You weren't concerned at all that my read didn't appear to be evolving?

Not really, you weren't trying to cram it down everyone's throats.

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Yeah
He's been stating it for quite a while

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I have been scum reading you for pretty much the entire game, yeah.

I was hardly ramming it down people's throats.

Could you state what was scummy, at least in my early game (day 1 and 2)

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@SC or SAJ: please vote BBT so he can't use "I'm not getting lynched, you are" as an excuse.

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You should probably explain why I'm scum.

Or why you stopped scum reading Jin.

I stopped SRing him because I realized his play didn't seem to have malicious intent, as well as some of knightmare's interactions. knightmare's treatment of you as well as your unfounded SR on me is why I scumread you.

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I didn't have real bad feelings about BBT before but the hammer kind of screws that up. There was a VC on the same page and Joshz put him at L-1 right after the mod posted it

Joshz looks bad for poor content
Jin approaching "why me" scum tell territory
Gamma pushing bad angles for scum reads
Angel is AWOL

2/4 of those are scum imo unless BBT comes back guilty or something. Gamma/Jin should never be scum together

This post.

[Gamma Emerald]

He throws shade at SAJ, while soft defending BBT.

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I don't really know his town game. Remember earlier where I said I sorta thought BBT was a good player? He replaced into a game I was in and tunneled town. But it seems different than last time. Last time there was logic to his thoughts.

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You are casing me.

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I don't really know his town game. Remember earlier where I said I sorta thought BBT was a good player? He replaced into a game I was in and tunneled town. But it seems different than last time. Last time there was logic to his thoughts.

I see

Honestly BBT it's a fair request. I still think you're obvtown but some reasoning would be cool.

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That's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for an evaluation of my D1 play specifically.

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D1 based case or die.

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You were SO SURE I was scum D1. Has to be something.

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BTW I'm going to be gone today-Sunday

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VOTE: Gamma

You're scum though...right?

Your posts look like they come from someone who got a red role PM.

We should get a Gamma wagon going.

You should join the Gamma wagon because she is scum.

Let's go already.

Yes.

His posts are not sitting well with me but I can't put my finger on why yet.

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It's nice that you can quote posts though.

Can we lynch scum already? It means lynching me.

fixed

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oooh I'm so scared

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YOU. ARE AN ASS!
I WAS ON VACATION YOU MOTHERFUCKER!

[Gamma Emerald]

I knew SOMEONE SOMEWHERE would get the cheeky idea to attack me while my back was turned.
@BBT: I wanted reasons because I felt you were BSing the read. You could have AT LEAST made the case for why SAJ was scum, but you tunneled me.

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Ok mr quickhammer

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BTW Radja: DO NOT EVER LET A LOVED/HATED MODIFIER STAY IN MY/LYLO!