Micro 666 - The Last Tryout [Game over - night 5]

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/confirm

The role pms in the are wrong 0_0

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in the op*

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VOTE: vedith

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Who can guess why I voted vedith?

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Damn, that sucks cause I'm the roleblocker ;(

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'cause he sucks? :V
good a reason as any

Who can guess why I voted vedith?

For ninjaing you in being second?

For ninjaing you in being second?

It's because we are BFF's!

All of these are wrong.

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Ok, I'll explain my vedith vote. It's because the capital letter and period seemed out of character for vedith who is usually silly.

VOTE: vedith

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VOTE: shadow

I'm not sure what to think about parama, I have a hard time differentiating between tryhard town and LAMIST scum.

BnL's awkwardness and taking things seriously is something I have seen from him as town, so I'm hesitant to vote him for that. But to be fair, it wasn't to this extent.

Tenshii also feels off to me.

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Hmm...do you see why parama might think they're AI though? I know it would definitely be a good place to push for scum, but I can also see why it would ping his scumdar as town, especially so early.

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I don't see why it would ping his scumdar.

The first reason was cuz of pregame questioning. People question things for the sake for questioning things sometimes. And I can't even see any kind of scum motivation behind the question.

The second reason was cuz of RVS justifcation. Yet people justify their RVS for a wide range of things all the time.

The third reason is cuz of defending. Like what do you want him to do, just take and accept the vote? Of course he'll defend himself.

The issue is not really those things, it's the awkward and overly serious tone.

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BnL's awkwardness and taking things seriously is something I have seen from him as town, so I'm hesitant to vote him for that. But to be fair, it wasn't to this extent.

1. I have zero games with you, and zero games modded by you.

2. There is a very good reason to not vote me: I was at L-1. Why did you try finding other reasons to avoid voting me? This feels scummy.

1. I spectate a lot of games, and I've seen at least 2-3 town games of yours. (I even posted in post game in some of them.)

2. I didn't realize you were at L-1 at the time. Why do you think scum wouldn't have given the L-1 reason as an explanation for not voting you?

(By the way, I meant more "that's not a reason for a scumread" than "that's not a reason for a vote")

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VOTE: BNL

Lets lynch him quick, I got a day cop result on him!

Nice reaction test

Why are you making it seem like you caught him in something/why do you care so much that it was a reaction test?

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I do think we can lynch faster than normal games but definitely not yet lol

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Town

Vedith
Pine
Gamma
BnL
Parama
Tenshii
Shaddow

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^ there's supposed to be a "scum" at the bottom there

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Pine, are you intentional playing against your meta from last game?

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I always forget I can never read Vedith. Can anyone explain why they're town reading him, outside of PoE?

Tone

It's probably not best to elaborate now.

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Pine, are you intentional playing against your meta from last game?

I don't have a meta. Any meta assumptions are yours.

Ok, I'm assuming you're playing very differently this game from last game on purpose.

VOTE: pine

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Vote just became serious, if you wanted me to draw my own conclusions I don't think you would care about my vote there. Yes I think you're playing very different, you seem to be very flippant and kind of silly here when you were thorough and analytical before.

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i just remembered, red scum could've easily just blocked orange scum last night since orange only has one person to kill with and has no roleblocking power of their own
so maybe there was only one shot

that'd be ideal for us tbh but we still need to lynch red today either way because red scum 100% did get off a shot and someone's hit and they know who and if we lynch orange scum tenshii today it's lylo tomorrow

Well unless red scum get lucky and shoot the maximum of 2 non-BPs there are, no it's not lylo tomorrow if we hit orange scum. That said, we still better go for the red.

Gamma, you should really know by know that I always get scumread as town for trying to get things going in RVS so your vote is worrying to me.

VOTE: shaddow

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You're expecting good reasoning off of one single confirm post? You think I was?

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Later in the game you might have a point (though town still does that all the time), but at that point I could've easily random voted someone.

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You made a RVS vote out as serious

It was partially serious. I don't get what you're trying to say here.

Well unless red scum get lucky and shoot the maximum of 2 non-BPs there are, no it's not lylo tomorrow if we hit orange scum. That said, we still better go for the red.

Red scum knows exactly which BP is hit because they shot them :V

Yeah but they need to shoot 2 hit BPs in a row for tomorrow to be lylo right? Though I guess it would just be mylo instead otherwise

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Then if we don't lynch they'll probably shoot a BP so that's mylo

Doesn't matter too much but ye

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Ok then the term lylo is irrelevant

I'm still right

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I would still like your follow-up to 204 and your response to my comment that I often get scumread for my early d1 play.

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Actually, VOTE: gamma

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Parama and vedith are town by PoE

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Gamma, tenshii, pine, and shaddow are scummy, so parama and vedith are probably town

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It's not that complicated

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I didn't like his reaction to my questioning of him yesterday, and I don't like the sheepiness of parama today.

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I guess I just don't like how you bought both those posts so easily.

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^I buy it.

PEdit: Both posts.

I don't like how quickly you accepted an argument that someone is confirmed town from that person, and I doubt you agree with everything in parama's reads list and think the game is that easy. My concerns have nothing to do with the vote on me.

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It's just that the first thought of most townies is probably not to trust someone when they say they're confirmed town, and neither is it to totally agree that someone else's plan is an easy way to win the game. With a very strong townread, that might be different, but it's still somewhat suspicious for me.

Sheeping may have been the wrong choice of words, but my point should've been clear enough when I elaborated on it.

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I would still like your follow-up to 204 and your response to my comment that I often get scumread for my early d1 play.

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Yeah you're just scum aren't you

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Like there's no reason why scum have to get a solid reason or pretend like they have a solid reason for RVS and you implying otherwise is just nonsense. You're not trying to engage me on the bigger issues and instead are just repeating that one talking point.

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sup

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Would you like a shaddow lynch better? He's probably scum too

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Tenshii is probably BnL's partner, but I'm surprised you guys wouldn't consider me as well

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i'm calling tenshii for BNL's buddy btw, shadow probably wouldn't bus on a quickwagon like that and i don't think both bnl + infinity would pile on the same person on day 1

Oh, makes sense I guess

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I think it's tenshii and gamma+shaddow

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Ok so if there's something I can do to convince you guys not to lynch me, or if there's anything else we can get out of this day, say so. Otherwise you can lynch me and be done with it.

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If I flip town will you consider gamma as scum? What's your prediction for the scumteam, and what would it be if I flipped town?

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Why would scum try to target town in 1v1v3?

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True.

VOTE: tenshii

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There's this catch-22 where there's a risk of losing to 2 scumteams if we lynch from the bigger team, but there's a risk of losing to one team if we lynch the solo scum member. Maybe it's best to no lynch so hopefully scum cross kills?

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The thing is, I think the 2-scum team wants to kill town at 4/2/1 and the solo scum wants to kill scum. So then it might end up at 3/1/1 which is probably better than 3/2 or 2/1/1. What do you think

PEdit: oh forgot about that

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But who's to say 3/2 is better than 3/2/1 or 2/1/1?

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I know a pretty good strategy for 2/1/1

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8331358

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There's no rule against provable randomness

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I suggest trying to hit from the 2-scum team, I think 50% winrate is our best shot

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More like shaddow/gamma

VOTE: shaddow

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By the way, I think gamma not responding to my accusations is a scumclaim

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Like there's no reason why scum have to get a solid reason or pretend like they have a solid reason for RVS and you implying otherwise is just nonsense. You're not trying to engage me on the bigger issues and instead are just repeating that one talking point.

I don't even need you to respond to this I just know town!you would for sure.

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Sorry gamma you're scum

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The question is if we'll get the chance

Who do you think we should be aiming to lynch today?

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Which scumteam is that?

Do you think a 2/1/1 scenario is better than 3/2/1 or 3/2?

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Meaning which scumteam are you aiming to lynch

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Pine I think you're getting this game mixed up with the last one. Greyice was never in this game.

What do you think about the plan for 2/1/1? Do you think 50% is our best shot?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8331358

Does this plan sound good?

Take the scum crosskilling argument up with vedith I guess. It's true that 3/1 is not the worst spot for either the scum or town, so I think you might be right here.

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Oh I realize now that you were talking about why town lost last game wrt the greyice thing...ok...

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Parama, what do you think about lynching shaddow or gamma

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The fact that I'd rather lynch my scumreads over myself screams scum?

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I'm pretty sure I already explained my scumreads. Shaddow is fluffposting and not try to gamesolve, and his talk about me avoiding the BnL wagon implying I am orange scum, while accusing me of only trying to look for one scumteam is hilarious. I think you're the one who needs to think about what scumteams you're looking for, bud. Gamma did not try to engage with me at all and instead repeated that one talking point to call me scum. As town he always responds to accusations, but he didn't feel like he had to because he knew I was being lynched. Prove him wrong.

I hope you guys are a little less lazy when you try to find the remaining scum.

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Gamma throwing in comment about 2 red scum not being on the BnL wagon is nonsense, wagons generally go faster if there are more scum on them, not less.

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If you're town I'm fairly certain in a shadow/gamma red team no worries

Cool.

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also I'm probably gonna die tonight regardless of this flip so make sure to get tenshii if there's only one red scum left tomorrow (or if there are none)

ftr part of scum not wanting to bus in this game is that bnl was the rb and that's too valuable for scum to lose so early

Well to rb you still need someone else to make the kill. So you lose the rb either way

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Right

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Not me lol