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In post 57, BNL wrote:UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald VOTE: Secret Angent Jin
I think his roleplaying is overdone
My role-playing seems overdone and that is scummy enough to vote me? I am just curious how my roleplaying is AI, arent we suppose to procrastinate in this game and do lazy things? Its really just joking around with the flavor of the game.
Yes, I do think that your RPing is scum indicative. I understand that you were playing with the flavour of the game, but you did it to a much greater extent than I'd expect town to.
I mean, he is bullet and lynchproof so this shouldnt count, right? Right? Wait it counts? Well i got better things to do, i cant be bothered to unvote....too many characters to type.
In post 74, drealmerz7 wrote:I don't think it is the RP that is bothering, I think it's just that it seems forced and overdone and that is not ever good because 1 it skews an ability to read you (and so just comes off scummy)
it's a nuanced thing, RPing
You are correct, i see where you are coming from with the skewed read thing. I was planning on only doing this until things moved out of the silly starting on the game phase and so now i am switching to actual posting.
My first vote was just pure RVS, my second was because i had to take the opportunity to make a pun, and my unvote is because Zach was at three votes and it takes 5 to lynch iirc and i didnt want to be on a wagon that was voted up for no reason.
Ok, at least I understand why you were RPing, but why didn't you say this earlier? Why don't you want to take the initiative to take the game out of RVS?
You had a reason for your unvote, so why RP with your unvote instead of giving your actual reasons?
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Post #165 (isolation #16) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:32 am
Postby BNL »
UNVOTE: Secret Agent Jin
VOTE: drealmerz7
I think his initial gut read of IJ/BNL scumread is nonsense, and him persisting it is a newbscum tactic (yes, Drealmer is new), especially with a lack of scumhunting elsewhere.
The bottom of page 3 and post 117 is also inconsistent with his deathtunnel on IJ
In post 218, BNL wrote:Yes I agree that IJ is town, but that's just going off my gut.
IJ: You seem to be town reading Drealmer because "he's too scummy to be scum", and I disagree that's towny. Explain this?
I'm not, putting yourself out there aggressively is not too scummy to be scum, it's just something that scum don't do. It's just not necessary and takes too much effort and not many other people townread it like I do.
Ah, I misunderstood "putting yourself out there" as being obviously scummy.
I missed out an earlier question on tunneling, I think it's ridiculous and fake to make a gut scum
team
at the start and not change that at all over the course of the game. Well, *something* should have changed by this stage.
Something about Zach caught my eye that I'll look in further detail after my V/LA
Still not liking Drealmer, I want his thoughts outside IJ
Culted's playstyle here is useful to scum as scum but can also be a town way of playing. I need an opinion from him to sort him. The opinion can be any read.
IJ, is it scum motivated to be not voting instead of voting next strongest scumread?
what page is this?
what kind of question is that? it sounds like a scum question on how to not be scumread
"if I do it like this how does it look?"
scum don't have "next strongest scumreads" - they have fake scumreads and it is up to the individual player's own strategy and motivations to be not voting or to vote their next strongest (fake) scumread
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This page: Page 13
Will tell you about the weird question after IJ answers
In post 311, BNL wrote:I have issues with IJ on this page.
IJ, is it scum motivated to be not voting instead of voting next strongest scumread?
It's not town motivated when there's a certain amount of time when someone has no scumreads and doesn't care or doesn't even mention it, especially for the normally hyperactive gamma. It makes a lot more sense for scum to just wait for something to come along that they can call scummy.
-Inf
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Post #358 (isolation #33) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:32 pm
Postby BNL »
Someone tell me how town!Drealmer has a gut scumread on IJ and me, that is somehow strong enough to cause a townread on everyone else, which has not been dropped yet, and is still playing as if he did not have these reads other than a tunnel on IJ.
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Post #373 (isolation #37) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:00 am
Postby BNL »
Fine, I'll do a full case on Drealmer:
If we assume Drealmer is deathtunneled town,
In post 67, drealmerz7 wrote:I think it just depends on the player and the circumstances and in general is NAI, but in this instance, I feel that it feels overdone and a bit forced, however, that could just be the awkwardness of the RPing coming through. Some ppl just "play it" and it doesn't come off well, town or scum. Not trying to disuade your vote, just saying, I see what you're feeling and I agree it feels not quite right, but I'm not sure it is scum. I'll probably vote him later depending!
Drealmer sees my perspective, even though he scumrthem. me
In post 117, drealmerz7 wrote:try and be comfortable at L-1 then and let's see the wagon go how it naturally goes, not out of fear, but out of reasoned steps
In post 322, BNL wrote:
Please give me your thoughts outside IJ and myself.
they're all town
Scum striving for consistency. IJ and I are scum, so the rest are town. But there's no way your gut read is that strong, and if we assume Drealmer hasn't been reading the game, he should be null on them.
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Post #420 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:15 pm
Postby BNL »
In post 402, Infinite Justice wrote:Like, not giving views as town is a strategy. (That's why I kept my vote on BnL so long). That seemed to be the strategy culted was using up until now, then he gives away his whole readslist and leaves which reads he explains up to the whims of the town (and scum btw). Doesn't seem like much of a strategy to me.
-Inf
But you did agree with me culted's strategy was a town strategy 305. And that's not why you kept your vote on me, I only said that six days into Day 1.
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Post #427 (isolation #44) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:04 pm
Postby BNL »
In post 310, Infinite Justice wrote:I have issues with you just saying that now without pointing it out before. I expected if you townread zach after the fakehammer thing for you to immediately vote for who you think is scum or try to find them.
VOTE: gamma
Why did you scumread SAJ before his latest post?
-Inf
Which of Gamma's posts were you referring to with this post?
That string of posts were in response to posts after his last post before that string
In post 171, Infinite Justice wrote:I don't see why you put so much important on where my vote is. To be honest, my vote could be on BnL, on you, my top townread, or on no one, and it wouldn't make too much of a difference to me. So I kept my vote because the best purpose for it right now is to let titus to whatever she was gonna do with it. Titus did then tell me by pm that I could move my vote, but I don't see a reason to because I don't have a place for it. It seems to me that you put a lot of importance on where people's votes are at any given time, but I don't in the early game and that's basically what this is.
I also don't see where I contradicted myself
-Inf
For real?
You've been at L-1 already,but you don't think the placement of your vote is important?
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Post #431 (isolation #46) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:56 pm
Postby BNL »
Four days is enough to swing a wagon onto someone, if everyone is posting then they can switch their vote. I get that last minute wagons aren't good but it isn't last minute.
I also dislike compromising, and I don't like that you're persuading me to, that feels scummy to me. If you're town reading Ari, you should be saying why to dissuade me from voting there. And please do so.
This is true. As Backup Mod and part of the story I followed and should have remembered that. It does make him more null than I had him previous to this, but I still liked his reactions.
What do you mean done that as scum before? Claiming VT is something scum do?
Because like I said, I didn't even realize I'd been "hammered". You can accuse me of manipulating the fake hammer but I didn't even know there was a hammer to begin with until AFTER my claim. If anyone at all is going to SR me have it be on play and not shitty meta. Then I will respect you more but still very, very little.
This is true. As Backup Mod and part of the story I followed and should have remembered that. It does make him more null than I had him previous to this, but I still liked his reactions.
What do you mean done that as scum before? Claiming VT is something scum do?
Because like I said, I didn't even realize I'd been "hammered". You can accuse me of manipulating the fake hammer but I didn't even know there was a hammer to begin with until AFTER my claim. If anyone at all is going to SR me have it be on play and not shitty meta. Then I will respect you more but still very, very little.
Do you usually troll post-hammer as scum?
I find the basis of your question dubious at best and subject to my intense scrutiny sir
I want to know if you usually continue claiming town or claim scum after you've been hammered in the absence of shenanigans. This helps me read you here.
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Post #448 (isolation #55) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:07 am
Postby BNL »
In post 310, Infinite Justice wrote:I have issues with you just saying that now without pointing it out before. I expected if you townread zach after the fakehammer thing for you to immediately vote for who you think is scum or try to find them.
VOTE: gamma
Why did you scumread SAJ before his latest post?
-Inf
Actually, why didn't you ask the same question to Ari?
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Post #536 (isolation #57) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:15 pm
Postby BNL »
Ok I'm not sure if people want me to claim at L-1 since there is more than 3 days to deadline so I won't claim, but if people want me to claim I will.
I will say that I am a very weak PR, and what I had issues with was Zach's VT claim. I'm guessing that the game is all weak PRs, considering how weak mine is and the lack of a sample role PM. This is why I was sheeping Dunn's case on Zach for claiming VT.
I'm not sure what's the best way to test my theory without outing everyone as a PR, but I suggest if there is a strong universal townread that is also a VT, they claim. Or we can discuss together if my theory sounds plausible.