Micro 678: Grand Idea Mafia! - GAME OVER!

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KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!


Tell me, who are the SCUMMIERS in this game?

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Oh wait, why is there a wagon on my slot?

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I'm ASP's replacement. Yes.

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NM, why is Screenplay scum?

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I want Screen lynch

Why are you not voting screenplay?

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Is that a PR?

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Anyone else claimed anything? can you give me a summary of the game so far?

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SP. Who do you think is scum?

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Why do you think CM is town? she wants to kill you very badly.

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Crystal, can you just hurt Screenplay a couple more times and move on for today?

Both not_mafia and drealmerz are acting weird. Not sure what to make of them.

dreal is not acting a like an innocent child. Not mafia is acting scummy, but want to hear more from him.

UNVOTE:

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I count 4 HURT: 's in her ISO. She should have 7 per day.

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I think we should put 3 hurts on you so she doesn't have to lynch you today.

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It doesn't really matter. If she dies you will look bad anyway.

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That's my point.

???

Why are you against BOTH you and dreal having 3 hurts accumulated then, what does it change?

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I don't really understand Crystal's case on you to be honest. But you are acting differently from our newbie. I would not call you town yet. Infinity reading you as town because of you showing frustration in one post makes sense.

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Dreal obviously has some agenda but I don't know what it is.

1) He is town but he is just trying to survive by acting scummy, or there is a good reason why we should no-lynch.
2) He is scum and is acting like that to have a reason to be alive later.
3) He is a jester and really wants to be dead.
4) He is a VI.

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1) Your posts are a lot shorter, I don't see many read-lists, and don't see a lot of the same effort to try to solve the game.

2) Yeah, Crystal summarizing why you are scum in 2-3 sentences would be great.

3) Crystal is definitely a voteless, the only way to make sure she is a hurter is if she is able to hurt-kill someone. The only way to guarantee that is for her to have two options for tomorrow. It should be dreal+someone else. I was suggesting you since she thinks you are scum.

4) Like I said, I would not call your behavior difference AI yet but definitely worth noting.

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Ok here are some posts of screen's that I liked.

Spoiler:

yes I really am

informed innocent townie

I can repeat again if you like

informed innocent townie

If this wasn't your role but someone else's, would you believe them?

I just PMed the mod and asked if there were hidden aspects to my role that I do not know and they said no

neither of those roles is me

If the was a hidden aspect why would the mod be honest with you about it?

I like these questions, they'e trying to get into dreal's head and trying to get dreal to see our perspective. It would be very easy for scum to ignore dreal.

Especially sense you have no vote to protect him.

He is buddying me and sheeping me

I'm not sure what should I make of that

Why would he buddy and sheep you. You have no vote to protect him. Do you have a chainsaw?

A good point and also kind of counterproductive as scum. If he's trying to redirect your attention to n_m, why say this?

I can't believe I'm considered the weird one in this game!?!?

Diverting attention.

Apeasing

Vote this guy

If you ever think I am diverting say something. Put me back on track. I don't think I have but if so it was not done on purpose.

Idk why, this townpings me. Maybe because scum would be very aware of their diverting and he seems oblivious.

When will you try to find that out?

With every post. I might not be as good as you and I might be new to forum mafia but I will not give up or quit trying to figure out the game I'm in.

So I don't know the time when. It might be today, tomorrow, or even end game but we will all figure it out eventually.

This allows his play to be held to a certain standard, and later on if at any time he doesn't seem to be trying to figure something out you can call him out. Doesn't seem like something scum would want to do.

Why do people always use excuses like , I'm bored of this game , I'm not interested, I haven't been paying attention?
When you sign /in for a game you are making a commitment. To me when people say that I think it's bullshit, if you are honest about what you are saying or not. It's just bull shit.

Scum doesn't get frustrated about people not caring, only town does.

From my understanding, you're scumreading him because he doesn't give enough opinions and you don't see how his questions are productive. Well I, for one, do see how his questions are productive, and I can see how a new town player wouldn't want to jump to conclusions so early without a ton of info. I'm often in that unsure position d1 myself. But maybe you can give more specifics on things you didn't like of his?

Here is your frustrated post, somewhere in the spoiler.

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Hmm. Wait a minute. You are scum reading my slot because he said he was sick and replaced out?

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Ahem. Im leaning nm over screen to be honest but if we lynch screen I want not mafia to hurt today.

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Regarding other lurkers Ive played with scum tepes and I think he is town in this game. Why hasnt SAJ been replaced and why is he impersonating tepes?

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Ok. CM. My vote for your pain.

VOTE: screen

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He is not pushing any of his scum reads really, and also I am sheeping CM who reads town.

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TTTT. Why not vote NM. If not him who?

Toto.
you just asked me why I was scumreading that slot
NM is an OK 2nd choice
but there's no rush when we have Kain prodging and Jin likely to be replaced

And you did not answer why lol

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CM can we lynch TTTT instead?

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1) Im a replacement and you are giving me shit for restating what other people said. Let me repeat that. Im a replacement that has to read the game from scratch. Why are you scum reading me for saying things other people said and fail to consider the fact that I reached those same conclusions independently. You fail to consider my very original conclusion that you are probably scum.

2) You were scum reading my slot for saying he was sick and you failed to adapt your reads after he replaced out. All his behavior is perfectly explained by the fact he was sick and not emgaged in a game where 95% of posts are meaningless.

3) The only reason people are town reading you is for speculating on the potential set up. That is normally considered a scumtell and is called iioa.

VOTE: tttt

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Are you fucking joking?did you really read my post?

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His reads are not adapting with new information. He is adapting the information to his reaf

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Tttt could be confbiased

But this is scum.

VOTE: screen

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Your last couple of posts are scummy as fuck

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Nah. Its called adapting. Not sure which I want to lynch more.

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He is leaving his option open. He says TTTT has put more effort than me which is ridiculous considering I just replaced in. This is not town screenplay at all.

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Also, infinity, you are my 3rd scum candidate jusy fyi.

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He voted tttt for 2 NAI things and something he didn't even outright say was scummy. It didnt seem like he really thought tttt was scum. Then when I asked him why tttt couldn't be confbiased, he backtracked and said he could be.

I still lean scum on TTT rather than confbiased town. I just think Screen is more likely to be scum.

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TTTT what's your read on infinity?

Also I checked and you were voting my slot for saying his friend lost his grandmother or something. But you did not adjust your read when replaced out saying he was sick.

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My main issue with this game is that there are many people acting weird/scummy so we need to start clearing people out.

Dreal. Mod announced innocent. Has done nothing townie in the whole game. Why?
Screen. He is trying to drive the conversation away from him, not really pushing his scum reads, not taking any stances. Either he is not into the game, or he is scum.
Not_Mafia. Hasn't said anything besides we should lynch Screen. Hasn't explained why.
Inifity. Town-reading scummy people. 'This guy could be mafia, but also could be bad town' Why are you not pushing the scum case and focus on the bad town case? Are you WKing?
Tepes. Lurking a lot and being tepes, in other words, not really helpful for town.
SAJ. Lurking, also being tepes, ditto.
Crystal. The only one showing some effort to solve the game. Somewhat tunneling screen if anything.
TTTT. Has not done shit other than speculate on set up, scum reads my slot for a BS reason, and does not adapt his reads. Either he is not invested, confbias, or scum.

So, besides Crystal, I'm ok lynching any of you MoFos, so start towning up.

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What about Screen

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You have two ways to pressure him. Why are your votes on me instead?

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Fuck you DReal.

Does anyone know if there a possible mod announced innocent jester in this set up? If not this is either:

1) A town that wants to die, maybe something related to his role is better for town if we lynch him. But in that case we would just have told us so.
2) Scum looking to have an excuse to continue to exist tomorrow

Either way we should lynch dreal. I'm leaning for option (2). Any reasons not to do this?

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Did he confirm this is his role, there are quite a lot of innocent variants in the set up thread. Including mafia aligned versions.

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You are assuming that Crystal is town and won't get NKed. Why?

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If he is an 'innocent scumbag' scum can just leaving him for last or nk him at any time.

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Ok, fine, after thinking about it I guess it does makes sense to leave him alive for today.

Next up: not_mafia.

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Any reasons why we should not lynch him?

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Ok, fine, after thinking about it I guess it does makes sense to leave him alive for today.

Actually, what happens if he reaches lylo and scum lynches him? does both him and scum win?

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Ok, fine, after thinking about it I guess it does makes sense to leave him alive for today.

Actually, what happens if he reaches lylo and scum lynches him? does both him and scum win?

@Mod:

If a Innocent Scumbag is lynched does the game end immediately? And can the town aligned faction still win in following days?

If a Innocent Scumbag is lynched at a mylo/lylo situation, does mafia win too?

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If he wins at lylo with mafia, mafia will never kill him.

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It does not change his win condition. If he reaches lylo, mafia wins.

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I did not read everything. ISOed a few people and researched a bit on a few things.

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What the hell happened to this game?

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There is no third party non-killing role that automatically ends the game upon winning, when it is otherwise still possible for either town or any scum faction to win.

This means that if DReal is an Innocent Scumbag scum has no reason to get rid of him until lylo. And at lylo he can self vote and win.

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These players I'm having a hard time sorting: Alisae + Tepes + Not Mafia + Dreal because of their trollish behavior.

Tepes is at least the one and only and he's been town reading some people which I never saw when we were scumpartners in our previous game. Also, he tended to troll in a way that moves his agenda forward when he was scum. I don't see that here.

Alisae seems to have a role that makes her behave like KT. Really hard to say what alignment he is but so far it has not been helpful for town.

I think we need to have a plan to deal with dreal if he is a innocent scumbag. He is effectively mafia aligned in that case.


For the rest:

Crystal: town

<big gap here>

TTTT

Infinity
ScreenPlay

TTTT I explained before. Mostly the fact that he didn't adapt his reads with new info.
Screen I already explained. But if screen is a dayvig then it means he is probably town unless something is really broken somewhere.
Infinity seems just too confident about his reads.

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Screen I already explained. But if screen is a dayvig then it means he is probably town unless something is really broken somewhere.

This is a grand idea

why him being day vig makes him town?

Yeah, that's why I said something would be broken. I haven't looked at the roles but would be really unfair.

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I think we need to have a plan to deal with dreal if he is a innocent scumbag. He is effectively mafia aligned in that case.

No, he's a jester. We don't need to kill him to win, so we can leave him alone.

It's easy for you to say that. My nightmare scenario you are a double voter scum. That means lylo is tomorrow.

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So yeah, of that list the only two that seem to match his behavior are innocent scumbag and innocent godfather. Niether of them are going to get nightkilled and we don't want them at endgame.

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Here is a few more but I think DReal is just too anti town to be any of these.

Innocent Child 1-shot Commuter

Bulletproof Innocent Child

Innocent Child PGO

Exposed as town by mod at the beginning of D1.
Kills anybody who targets it.

Innocent Child

Town Innocent One-Shot Dayvig

At the start of the game, you will be revealed as part of the Town. You also have one daykill this game to use during any game day.

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KAIN TEPES

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LMAO

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You are using this as an opportunity to gain trust. Why? What reasons are there for you to not choose yourself and rely on Crystal? Why do you trust her judgement so much given she thinks YOU are scum. If she is wrong about you, why trust her judgement so?

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He can not make it to lylo r we lose. That sounds like a good reason to me.

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He can not make it to lylo r we lose. That sounds like a good reason to me.

If we shoot him and he's a jester though, we just lose instead of getting to lylo.

Not according to mod post. I asked this question already. Also he wins when

lynched

(not shot) or if town wins. Any of those two conditions makes him win. And according to mod answer him winning does not mean town can't win later.

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There is no third party non-killing role that automatically ends the game upon winning, when it is otherwise still possible for either town or any scum faction to win.

If we lynch jester!dreal, town loses.

If we leave dreal alive, we have a chance to win.

bolded part seems to contradict mod post.

Shooting him earlier has the same consequences (namely, 1 less mislynch)

but we make the choice earlier.

I agree with this is better

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bolded part seems to contradict mod post.

No lol. If we lynch dreal in a 2/1/1, mafia kills a townie and endgames the other even if dreal winning doesn't end the game.

You mean if we lynch him at a lylo situation? then I agree with you

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At lylo, he can just self vote... and scum sheep him.

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Say NM is a scum, FA says I'm killing you tomorrow no matter what which my hurts.
What happens?????

Nm kills fa and then says the 'real mafia' killed fa to frame nm

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What happens if nm is town? Same thing.

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Not_Mafia, you have been tunneling screenplay from the get go. Why is he is scum? Talk to me like a person. tyvm.

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KAIN TEPES

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LMAO

Alsae, you can add this to your PM:

5. You can talk like Alisae any number of sentences in your posts. tyvm.

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You being so willing to vote him doesn't make me want to tbh.

This does not make SENSE to KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!!
You SCUMREAD NOT_MAFIA and KAIN TEPES,,,,, but you do not want to vote NOT_MAFIA????
I AM KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are SCUMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!

I like this post

VOTE: Infinity

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No, I would read that as a distancing scheme.

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Pretty common practice. Specially if there is very little meat behind the push, like Alisae's push on not mafia.

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Ok, so you scumread NotMafia for the whole game now Alisae asks you to support the lynch and you back track. It seems you have a very strong scumread on Alisase, why?

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Still think we should shoot dreal

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Ok Crystal. Since you don't have a vote I will give you mine. Not me and not dreamz. Who do you want gone next.

@crysyal: You mean this?

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aliese replace out felt really out of place - makes me thinking something behind the scene was going on

I got a similar feeling. BUT

The whole plan on you being able to confirm yourself is a bad idea. If you are town you are probably dead tonight. You are a pretty much a universal townread. Being able to confirm yourself makes you a bigger target.

Sure, scum could leave you alive for you to kill dreal or screen tomorrow, assuming screen is town aligned. However scum has 0 reasons to kill dreal if he is a jester. Which means your death is pretty much guaranteed and we learn nothing from it other that you were indeed town.

Anyway, let's hope Alisae was a good shot.

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That means I think I want to lynch tttt or toto today, despite the fact that they both look townish to me they're our best bet.

lol

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Alisae hasn't even flipped and you are lining up linches

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That didn't seem like a calculated claim

He could've planned it in advance.

But I'd prefer alisae nonetheless

Crystal said to shoot alisae

Alisae has associatives to basically no one, the flip is pretty much irrelevant

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Alisae hasn't even flipped and you are lining up linches

Actually

I want to know what makes you think planning ahead despite the flip not occuring yet is scum motivated

You are not planning ahead conditioned on the flip information. You just want to make sure you are not lynched.

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It makes them lynch targets, instead of you.

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It works as long as you do it before other people.

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You need to create lynch options before you become a lynch option. So you don't even wait for the info because you don't care about the info or you already know the info. Also is weird that you though Alisae was scummy but you don't have any theories about who his partner is. Like, that never happens to me.

1) There is me who said I'd prefer shooting dreal instead of Alisae. But it didn't cross your mind that I could be trying to save him. That is weird.
2) He gets a role where he has to pretend to be Tepes, but it doesn't cross your mind that they could have the same alignment.
3) Also you make no comments about this very awkward post, just before he replaces out:

As your SCUM BUDDY you must LET me BUS YOU!!!!!!!!!!
VOTE: INFINITY!!!!!!!

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How do you pull those memes so fast?

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Screen. You are definitely scummy. You are not behaving a like what I expect a town vig would behave like.

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I don't understand why you give your shot to CM. It makes no sense. She thinks you are scum, why do you trust her to find scum if you are town?

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I dont know what my alignment was lol. I was a one way kain tepes stalker. I win if he wins and died if he died

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I thought he was town

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Tttt who was your partner

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Screen why were you so scummy? You made me switch from TTtT to you =/

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He was not

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I think in general towning up is the best thing you can do for town if you are town

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Cm what was your plan for surviving day two?

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Wait was I scum?

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Well if Kain was scum I was technically scum too.

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I just thought assuming he was town and playing as such would work either way.

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so dreal is an incoherent child now

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HURT: dreal[/dreal] you are an annoying little child now

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HURT: dreal holy puck!

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alisae has a chance if we give up on a otherwise perfect game. Say we lynch mafia on D1 and get a guilty on D2 then we can lynch alisae on D2 and mafia again on D3. It would come with some risks.

The other way alisae can win is if we lynch the mod the day before lylo and mafia lynches her on lylo.

So if lynching the mod doesnt end the day we should do it today so Alisae has to help town get a perfect D1.

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does anyone know if scum!Alisae is ballsy enough to fake claim 3rd party?

I doubt it.
I would assume he is in to many games to over exert himself in one particular game.

You guys are being silly now. Mod vote count confirms the existence of Alisae's role.

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alisae has a chance if we give up on a otherwise perfect game. Say we lynch mafia on D1 and get a guilty on D2 then we can lynch alisae on D2 and mafia again on D3. It would come with some risks.

The other way alisae can win is if we lynch the mod the day before lylo and mafia lynches her on lylo.

So if lynching the mod doesnt end the day we should do it today so Alisae has to help town get a perfect D1.

Why lynch the mod today and not tomorrow or the next day?
If Alisea is helpful we can decide to do it any other time. Worrying about it right now is distracting from finding scum.

Where is your vote at Toto? No RVS just straight to helping neutral?

Here you go VOTE: screenplay

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alisae has a chance if we give up on a otherwise perfect game. Say we lynch mafia on D1 and get a guilty on D2 then we can lynch alisae on D2 and mafia again on D3. It would come with some risks.

The other way alisae can win is if we lynch the mod the day before lylo and mafia lynches her on lylo.

So if lynching the mod doesnt end the day we should do it today so Alisae has to help town get a perfect D1.

Why lynch the mod today and not tomorrow or the next day?
If Alisea is helpful we can decide to do it any other time. Worrying about it right now is distracting from finding scum.

Where is your vote at Toto? No RVS just straight to helping neutral?

Here you go VOTE: screenplay

what the fuck?
Screenplay is town imo.

Ok. VOTE: TTTT

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alisae has a chance if we give up on a otherwise perfect game. Say we lynch mafia on D1 and get a guilty on D2 then we can lynch alisae on D2 and mafia again on D3. It would come with some risks.

The other way alisae can win is if we lynch the mod the day before lylo and mafia lynches her on lylo.

So if lynching the mod doesnt end the day we should do it today so Alisae has to help town get a perfect D1.

Why lynch the mod today and not tomorrow or the next day?
If Alisea is helpful we can decide to do it any other time. Worrying about it right now is distracting from finding scum.

Where is your vote at Toto? No RVS just straight to helping neutral?

Here you go VOTE: screenplay

Is there substance to this vote or are you going back to RVS after you tried justifying helping a neutral over finding scum?

Your scumhunting is too opportunistic.

Also I'm helping town, not the neutral.

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TTTT is also opportunistic

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It's probably TTTT + Screenplay. It was an easy game.

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Toto your first post were about the neutral and conditions to help them win. Why is that helping town?

Nope. 'Those' were not my first posts.

Also it was not me who brought up the idea to make a deal with Alisae to bring her on the town side. All I did was suggest a way to force her on the town side. Our ability to force relies on a few things:

1) Lynching the mod doesn't end the day.
2) We can only lynch the mod once.
3) Her win condition is being lynched

the day after the mod is lynched.

If all three are true then lynching the mod

today

makes Aliase only option to win to help town have a perfect D1.

Also, why is the mod at L-1 if we don't know the answer to (1)?

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Also the mere fact that you and TTTT are suggesting scum alisae even after the mod pretty much confirmed the existence of the role makes me think one of you is fake scumhunting.

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Toto whats the scum motivation behind "Let's lynch scum first then help the third party win."

Why single out this post? Are you hard town reading him because of this?

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Ok, TTTT was. Vote him.

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does anyone know if scum!Alisae is ballsy enough to fake claim 3rd party?

[Toto]

does anyone know if scum!Alisae is ballsy enough to fake claim 3rd party?

I doubt it.
I would assume he is in to many games to over exert himself in one particular game.

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Just quoting your fake as fuck interaction right there.

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Why would you assume that LOL

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Cause I'm waiting for the mod to answer the questions. Nice try though.

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Yes, yes. You are very confused. Vote your partner.

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Yeah, maybe they won't answer them. In which case I'm not lynching the mod. Sorry.

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Pretty sure there is at least one scum in TTTT or Screen. We should vote and hurt there.
HURT: Screen

Not voting the mod is exactly the sort of BS scum would try to hide in.

[Toto]

It calls too much attention to themselves, scum don't like attention. They like calling out attention to other townies.

[Toto]

1) Lynching the mod doesn't end the day.
2) We can only lynch the mod once.

Mod can you please answer questions above

[Toto]

oh you scummy mod.

[Toto]

Im TOTO TEPES!!!!!!! Im a very AGRESSIVE player,,,,

INTENT TO HAMMER

the SCUMMY MOD!!!!!!

Mod has to claim

[Toto]

The target is determined by the player with an absolute majority by the end of the day.

Obvious IIoA

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vote: kirroha

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Wait, so you and Alisae had the same win condition?

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So one of Alisae or TB is lying

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BTW didn't CM claim something else?

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Meh

Let's lynch the baby then

[Toto]

Screen's frustration here looks real. I think he is town.

Screen who are you scum reading?

[Toto]

You are putting too much weight on townreading/scumreading because of people being against or in favor the mod
Lynch.

The main scum motivation is to look like they are not scum.

[Toto]

Why did you hammer if you are so against it and it is so bad for town?

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I'm death-tunneling whoever hammers the mod.

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I'd rather we investigate NM and lynch Kain. I have a feeling NM wants to get lynched this game.

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This game is very complex for my little naive program... for now.

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Like you can vote the mod, and it restarted and has had a lot of replacements. Need to deal with those first.

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VOTE: TB

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Im sorry kirroah. Welcome kirroah II!

I would like to hear TTTT's case on me?

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ThinkBig, one of these days you will actually stay until the end of the games Im in.

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oh thhid!!! bawoke my pothd blank!@!!!

omg!!!'

I've been doing tho well!

Hurry up reads before you get modkilled! Mod is in a bad mood cause we lynched her!

[Toto]

What is the VC!!!!!!!,,,
?

[Toto]

Kain returned guilty the first night. I'm the cop.

[Toto]

WTH happened last night?

[Toto]

So mafia probs killed TTTT, since it was either me or him.

[Toto]

who killed inf and who killed nm?

[Toto]

unless there is a framer. Do these games require a VT in the lineup?

[Toto]

I guess from the people in the Alisae flashwagon you are the less guilty, and mafia needed to flashwagon to prevent me from speaking up.

[Toto]

What's cult?

[Toto]

So prolly you are a SK or something and kain is mafia, or the other way around.

[Toto]

Isn't it 5+2+2 ?

[Toto]

But that would mean dreal is the innocent godfather.

[Toto]

I'm going to take a shit and mediate on this.

[Toto]

You are correct then sorry wrong math.

Could I be an insane democratic cop?

[Toto]

Kain has to be the last antitown unless Im crazy

[Toto]

Ok so I guess this is easy then. Let me check the role list again before I vote

[Toto]

wait so NM was a splicer so whoever he targeted 'killed' one of the dead guys

[Toto]

But he can not be! because Kain returned not town!

Kain claimed VT. So the only way he is town is if you framed him.

[Toto]

I mean I don't think there is an innocent child framer, so dreal has to be town.

[Toto]

KAINTEPES,,,,,,, did you.......... LIE TO ME??

[Toto]

'Just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART' - KainTepes!!!

[Toto]

Severa, for you the only logical choice is Kain, actually, unless I'm missed any roles, the only logical choice is Kain.

[Toto]

You have no mafia partners. Tough luck.

Ok, so we are looking for another 3rd party role then.

[Toto]

Alien Odd-Night Deflector Even-Night Redirector N5, N10, N15 Bus Driver

Note that only 1 ability may be used each night and the Bus Driver must be used on N5, N10, and N15.

That's the only role that may fit 3p!severa that I have found so far.

1. Deflected Tepes the first night to someone else.
2. Used the alien 1-shot kill action to kill someone last night, say, NM. NM spliced TTTT, TTTT invited+killed inf, inf shot TTTT.

I have not found any innocent announced 3p so dreal is still town.

Kirroah, can you confirm if this role has only one NK?

[Toto]

Kirroah: can diplomatic cop vote investigation be deflected?

[Toto]

Are all alien role 1-shot kill by default?

[Toto]

Because if that is true then you would not have used your 1-shot yesterday................!!!!!

I mean you have no way to win after that

[Toto]

So....

TTTT targeted severa
Severa killed NM
NN killed (not spliced) Infinty
and infinity killed TTTT

[Toto]

Ok, so if Severa is telling the truth, and we cop them he can shoot KT tonight. Plan works as long as KT is BP.

Thoughts?

[Toto]

Sorry, it works as long as KT is not a BP.

[Toto]

Do we have any reason to believe he is a redirector?

[Toto]

Ok I think Ive made my mind.

VOTE: kt

[Toto]

Well played RC, you got me. Kain sorry but your VT claim (not the claim itself but the fact that you claimed) first thing D2 was what made me vote you in the end. Also WTH was that Alisae wagon? I thought you were trying to end the day to not let the cop speak up.

[Toto]

VOTE: kirroha

Something I found quite interesting in the Lying Fairy thread was that TTTT (who mentioned this in the Dead PT) actually crumbed that Kain was town. It's not Toto's fault for not noticing it though, it was really hidden - and even if you'd noticed, it made sense not to believe what an anti-town role claimed.

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I noticed and thought about it but fuck the lying fairy.

[Toto]

KAIN TEPES, I'M SORRY I WILL NEVER RECOVER!!!!!!