Micro 694: Gamble N UPick : Risk and Reward THE WAR IS OVER

[CommKnight]

I'm the strongest wizard here

YOU'RE A WIZARD HAIRY!

[CommKnight]

Holy shit.. I wasn't expecting that, I quoted and posted that before reading the entire thing... 24 hours... Jeesus.. Alright the compulsive guy dies. He could roleblock, kill or really anything negative. He doesn't even know! We need to get this done and over with.

my role is a bunch of question marks and "you have to target someone each night"

VOTE: McMenno

Sorry bud, but lynch is mandatory today and that "???" thing is NOT going to help us.

[CommKnight]

Also Charloux, since you basically proved yourself to have some sort of quest power... If the S-rank quest is feasable, take it tonight and town will try and help you achieve the quest!

[CommKnight]

I'm curious if people feel comfortable outting the number they sent to the mod. I'm kinda curious to see what number was required for our insane abilities/hindrance.

[CommKnight]

Hehehe, I picked 9. I'm scared of what the negative consequences might be that are hidden...

[CommKnight]

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the early day end. I mean the RB would work, but who do we lynch with less than half a day remaining??? No time to ask questions or expect a response. Unless you want us to lynch someone we think is going to be a lurker.

[CommKnight]

- momo
- FrankJaeger

^ These two haven't posted yet.

Bah
HURT: VOTE: Dream

Just saying, this seems weird since after Drealm said the King's word..... we got hit with the time thing.

Dark winds flow through the town!

Deadline for day is reduced to (expired on 2017-03-24 00:34:31) !

Repost of the time we have left!

So one of the two non-posters I'd feel comfortable with voting. I mean to be FAIR they will have just voer 24 hours to even say anything (but even by then the lynch will be decided.

VOTE: Frank

I agree, he should have spoken by now. He confirmed last and thus should be one of the few active at the time it was opened last night!!

[CommKnight]

I picked a 10.

sorry but if I were scum... why would I randomly claim a hella suspicious role with no reason? and don't say "oh it's so you could say that"

I think frankjaeger is going to be way more useful than momo therefore I'm voting him

It wasn't about you being scum. What if you roleblock a cop, or kill a doctor. Heck, you could be a doctor or a roleblocker or a cop. We don't know. You're a gamble if you're forced to make a move.

[CommKnight]

Suppose not. But either way, the roleblocker outing themselves definitely helps you and us.

[CommKnight]

Just looked up Momo - he's very active on the site.

VOTE: Momo

ALL ABOARD THE MOMO TRAIN!

VOTE: Momo

He's made over 25 posts in the past 3 hours and not a SINGLE post in this game. EAT ROPE.

[CommKnight]

HURT: VOTE: Dunn

Yeah, unless you want to be lynched tomorrow, you're going to say what's up with that hurt thing.

[CommKnight]

(expired on 2017-03-24 00:34:31)

Keeping an eye on that time!

[CommKnight]

Yep, avoiding the thread with this reduced time (and required lynch) = DEATH.

[CommKnight]

scummy

Yeah.. he just manages to appear when we start voting him.

[CommKnight]

Drealm, get with the program. (expired on 2017-03-24 00:34:31) THIS is how much time we have to scum hunt. We were given less than a day to scum hunt. (Which is kinda bull).

You're also not reading very well if you don't see why we wants him roleblocked. We're all pretty sure he's town. He could very well have a doctor role or a cop role. He could also be a killer/poisoner or some other role that negatively effects town (or if doctor helps scum if he's aiming at scum). The simple fact is we don't know what he does and won't know even tomorrow unless his target were to die or he gets an investigative result back.

Either way, momo is dying today. Only started being active after being called out and voted and we REALLY do not have the time to screw around with another wagon.

[CommKnight]

Well don't need to worry about him replacing out, he hangs today.

You know what actually Drealmz. Let's do it this way. No one blocks McMenno. Block someone else. Let him visit me. I'm fairly confident he won't effect me very much.

[CommKnight]

(expired on 2017-03-24 00:34:31)

Just reposting time because we got less than 90 mins and I'm going to bed now. So my vote is locked in. No one else is dying today. Momo is 100% dead today.

[CommKnight]

Mod let me use my ability last night so cool.

Others seem to be passing over this. If you're gonna claim you could use it, what is it?

Also 2 revives in one day. (Well one at night and one shortly after day begins). That would definitely be a role someone would claim would it not? It is also a bastard game and I doubt the game would weigh against mafia so heavily. So as mentioned before, they could possibly be brought back as mafia. Then again, who made the N1 kill? Multi-faction game?

Here I thought MY powers were OP. The revives are insane. Must be a number 10.

@McMenno, I think tonight you should target me. If it is still a cop ability, we might be able to check the sanity level of it.

@momo, so the role names do not show what powers we have, what is yours anyway?

VOTE: Charloux Guess you're failing today's quest.

[CommKnight]

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Charloux

- King

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McMenno

- Compulsive Random Action Town

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drealmerz7

- Loverized (If Frank dies, he dies)

-

momo

- Town Wise Man

(Relatively useless role)
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YuMightBeIrrational (3-headed hydra of Yume, Cerberus v666 and Drixx)

-

CommKnight

-

Srceenplay

- ??? Seems to be able to make a public town message and McMenno's result says town.

- FrankJaeger -

Lover of some sort (usually always town)
-

Dunnstral

Am I missing anything from above? Unless revived players change alignment, we basically have won already. But this is it, I think we need to know who is reviving them. Them NOT outing might indicate they know the revived is turning sides.

Charloux was suppose to visit McMenno to block him. However, McMenno died and ended up being revived. So Charloux might've killed McMenno.

YuMightBeIrrational really does need to become more active. Come on guys, this game has everyone alive yet two deaths. With really only one head posting so far!

And Dunn, if you out an ability I'll out an ability.

[CommKnight]

Well let's start off some stuff to get the minds whirring (if the hydra heads got nothing to say to the following theories, then I will be voting them).

First off, McMenno, don't be afraid, target me tonight.

Secondly, Dunn, because we're two of the very few unknowns here. We know something about pretty much everyone else. Shouldn't be too scary to post one of your powers.

Now then. One theory says the King is a tyrant and maybe even a third party role. He doesn't seem to be someone that benefits town so far with his quests or even rewards.

Another theory says the resurrectionist might be town. However the HIDDEN modifier to his role might make them evil and bastard because it doesn't tell him this.

Finally, another one for third party/mafia is Frank. Picking someone to loverise can be dangerous because you could hit mafia (low chance with how much we knew at the time) or be mafia and just take a town with you if you die!

So 3 main theories.
- Char is a tyrant.
- Retributionist is bringing people back but the alignment is changed.
- Frank is part of the evil faction bringing a townie with him if he dies.

Now then.. be careful because all of our powers probably have hidden modifiers to them of some sort.

[CommKnight]

We lynched momo yesterday and he was town

Provide proof their alignment hasn't changed upon revival.

This game is bastard, after all, so disregarding such a possibility is dumb.

- The Rotten Apple

AND VOTE: YuMightBeIrrational

[CommKnight]

Be careful bro, and I think we honestly got scum. I know at least two town are on YuMightBeIrrational's wagon. Not sure about Dunn, but it's not like we're getting much from their slot and one of the heads ignored my theories when I said it point blank I'd vote them.

[CommKnight]

Might be irrelevant, but what is your ROLE claim? I mean everyone here has some sort of role attached to their abilities. That and now we know you aren't the ressurectionist. Also upon your flip, we'd KNOW whether or not the revived are being alignment changed (since if you are town, then we'd know they're still town).

That and if you flip town, it tells us your first ability means that those who flip town... might not be town.

Fastposted, yep, it's a theory, doesn't mean I feel like lynching any of them today.

[CommKnight]

Also still no actual role claim. Just ability claim.

Ah I also misread how you check if their role is right.

Actually someone hammer this. I'm going to use one of my abilities. Yu won't die.

[CommKnight]

You can hammer yourself if you want Yu, you will not die today. I've already sent the action into the mod. Just needs *A* hammer to go through. Heck, if I'm lying, I'd be lynched tomorrow.

[CommKnight]

Well let's start off some stuff to get the minds whirring (if the hydra heads got nothing to say to the following theories, then I will be voting them).

First off, McMenno, don't be afraid, target me tonight.

Secondly, Dunn, because we're two of the very few unknowns here. We know something about pretty much everyone else. Shouldn't be too scary to post one of your powers.

Now then. One theory says the King is a tyrant and maybe even a third party role. He doesn't seem to be someone that benefits town so far with his quests or even rewards.

Another theory says the resurrectionist might be town. However the HIDDEN modifier to his role might make them evil and bastard because it doesn't tell him this.

Finally, another one for third party/mafia is Frank. Picking someone to loverise can be dangerous because you could hit mafia (low chance with how much we knew at the time) or be mafia and just take a town with you if you die!

So 3 main theories.
- Char is a tyrant.
- Retributionist is bringing people back but the alignment is changed.
- Frank is part of the evil faction bringing a townie with him if he dies.

Now then.. be careful because all of our powers probably have hidden modifiers to them of some sort.

Reread this post and check theory 3 before self-hammering please. You're not dying and in fact your ability will be useful for who will die to see if I'm right.

[CommKnight]

Sorry, I mean theory two. "Another theory says the resurrectionist might be town. However the HIDDEN modifier to his role might make them evil and bastard because it doesn't tell him this."

[CommKnight]

@Comm:Did you revive everybody that died so far, or just some and there is another with a reviving role?

I didn't revive them. Just speculation if the ressurectionist is indeed town.

Just hammer him Char. He's not going to hammer himself. It's not like he's the one that's going to die. He can check another person tonight.

[CommKnight]

READ. READ. READ. I said there's the possibility. You're saying "why can't they be resurrected as scum". I'm saying they "could be". I'm not sure if they are or aren't. But I'm simply not lynching one today because I have another theory to pursure first.

Like you keep asking me a question on something I simply never said. I NEVER said they were impossible to not be switched alignments. I'm simply not agreeing with you to lynch them today. You're strawmanning me and obsessing over something I never even said!

[CommKnight]

I can't wait for another head to get on, because talking to you is not productive nor are you reading anything said.

[CommKnight]

Probably tomorrow if I'm wrong about it today.

You also fear dying. I told you you won't die. But hey. Keep telling me how you've read the posts.

[CommKnight]

Aside from the fact I'd be lynched tomorrow if I was lying?

[CommKnight]

Well I'll state it now, I have no investigative ability. But I might use another one on your hydra tonight if I'm just going to get this lippy strawman stuff from you.

[CommKnight]

I don't care. I'm using my second ability on your hydra tonight. I already sent in to mod to use my first today. If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead and I wouldn't even be hinting at my first ability. But my second ability is definitely on you tonight if your next post isn't "Vote YMBI"

[CommKnight]

That or I'll retract my first ability and just push for your death in general (if you do to adhere to the next post requirement)

[CommKnight]

And you failed to do so. The ability gets used tonight. The first ability is redirecting lynch. I've already chosen who dies today. But tonight the second ability your hydra receives.

This is me NOT playing around. Want to make it worse and for me to retract my first ability and just push for your head while saving it for another day? Or even change it to lynch you today. Take your pick.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Commknight
Someone needs to teach you that you can't have everything go your way

Well today I certainly can. Nothing you can do about it either. No matter who gets lynched, my choice dies.

Fastposted AND THERE IT IS.

Now then, we got the ressurectionist at least to admit to it and (hopefully) they are still town.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Charloux

Thanks for the heads up. Yu would've ate rope accidentally without that slip. But no. I'm testing theory 1. A tyrant king as the evil-doer in this story. If Yu self hammered, you would've died. But now we hang you the old fashion way. Your quests are generally pretty anti-town.

@Yu, the point in being able to redirect a lynch is being able to make a kill without scum getting to manipulate it. Which means if scum looks scummy in my eyes while looking town to the rest, they'll have to off me very fast. If the MAJORITY of town agrees to who I pick, there's no sense in using the ability, is there? It's there for when I want to pick who dies and town doesn't agree. Also I'm pretty sure I can override a no-lynch as well.

Either way, Char dies today.

[CommKnight]

Charloux

- King

-

McMenno

- Compulsive Random Action Town

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drealmerz7

- Loverized (If Frank dies, he dies)

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momo

- Town Wise Man

(Relatively useless role)
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YuMightBeIrrational (3-headed hydra of Yume, Cerberus v666 and Drixx)

- Coroner, investigator and negative immune
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CommKnight

- Lynch Redirect, ???, ???

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Srceenplay

- ??? Seems to be able to make a public town message and McMenno's result says town.

- FrankJaeger -

Lover of some sort (usually always town)
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Dunnstral

- Resurrectionist

Other than Yu, who else is there Charloux? If it's drealm or Frank, they both die together anyway and can be killed tonight or sorted tomorrow.

[CommKnight]

Why do you think Drealm and Yu aren't green? While you come up with theories on why others aren't confirmed why is Screenplay confirmed then? Playing devil's advocate here, his mafia role could allow him to make public announcements. Meanwhile, McMenno's results aren't necessarily true.

I know you hate me by now Char, but when you're possible mafia, you're possible mafia. Wouldn't mind having you as town, but this theory needs to be tested.

Also since I am curious about role names. I'm Town Hero. You're King, momo is Wise Man, McMenno is Compulsive Random Action Town, but no one elese really outed their names.

[CommKnight]

So Char, got a twin for one of my theories....

[CommKnight]

If anyone doesn't get my joke there, seriously look up Dr.Mengele. Sadistic bastard he was.

[CommKnight]

@MOD: Begin Death roulette

THIS is why he dies.

[CommKnight]

Well my ability is on you so unless you can use two abilities in the same day, that is going to be you. Also it means you 100% die tonight/tomorrow. As I doubt you can keep using that power either.

[CommKnight]

So... waiting on mod's flip of Char.

[CommKnight]

-

McMenno

- Compulsive Random Action Town

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drealmerz7

- Loverized (If Frank dies, he dies)

-

momo

- Town Wise Man

(Relatively useless role)
-

YuMightBeIrrational (3-headed hydra of Yume, Cerberus v666 and Drixx)

- Coroner, investigator and negative immune
-

CommKnight

- Lynch Redirect, ???, ???
-

FrankJaeger

- Lover of some sort (usually always town)
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Dunnstral

- Resurrectionist

I'm just gonna put it out there that momo and McMenno are cleared nby flips. Unless Dunn's ability is screwed up or he himself is a baddie bringing them back as mafia/town for town cred.

So for now we'll say the 3 of them are 100% clear. The Char lynch was the correct lynch for everyone. The only question today is do we lynch Yu or the lover team? Just remember if we mislynch today we can't check the lovers tomorrow. If we mislynch the lovers, (both pop town), then we NEED to be on our A-game for the rest of the game.

I will admit, Dunn's power seems a bit OP to not have some negative consequence to it. (2 revives of confirmed town). So we do need to make a decision about that as well.

Either way, with 7 alive, I'm willing to bet there's 2 anti-town left among us.

[CommKnight]

I mean hey, if scum doesn't want to kill me, that's their problem. I mean really. I can force them to die in the day time and they get no say about it. Not offing me in the night equates to them dying to me in the day.

Also I'm willing to bet one of the two Drealm/Frank lover duo is scum. PoE says it, gut says it, mechanics says it. Why didn't scum off the lovers in the night? It'd be two birds, one stone afterall.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Drealm

I was holding it for a bit. But even Frank is wondering why they didn't die. No offense Frank, but I think one of you two is scum. The other is definitely scum. (Either scum role to bring town down with them or you managed to loverize a scum. Either way, scum would've offed you two).

[CommKnight]

L1.

[CommKnight]

Well what remains Drealm? There's two revived townies, the claimed reviver, myself, Yume and both of you. Guess you'd need to make a case on the hydra. Also why watch me both nights?

Also for now, UNVOTE: , to allow you time to build a believable case.

[CommKnight]

Which is a fair point Drealm... even if Dunn did revive them as baddies. How does that explain the MISSING scum kill?

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Yu We can test this first safely, then lynch the lover duo. The other way risks us losing.

[CommKnight]

*Facepalm* By missing shot, I'm talking about where's the ROLE that shot them if Dunn spent N1 reviving? Who made the shot? Most actions are accounted for except for Yu and Drealm really. Yu would be a safe lynch because if he's town there's 100% scum inside the Frank lover pair. (Drealm). If he's scum, then it'd be between Drealm and me, but I can promise it'd be Drealm.

Honestly, I'm assuming there's two scum. Which means there's 100% a scum between Drealm/Yu and the second scum is between Drealm/Frank (which both die when either die).

So it's either a Frank/Yu duo or Yu/Drealm duo. I can't see a Drealm/Frank duo at this point. Either way, if there's 2 scum, Yu is 100% scum me thinks.

[CommKnight]

Ha, my train of thought went all over the place! But oh well, my final thought right now is the last line. Yu is scum with either Frank or Drealm. I can't see any other possible duo.

[CommKnight]

Scum weren't allowed to NK and action. Rarely are they ever allowed. Plus he's the only one to have claimed reviving them, why would scum do that? Sorry, but you're the logical lynch. It's you today and then the lovers tomorrow.

Scum seem to be super weak this game to be honest. With Dunn and myself existing, scum stood no chance. Leaving me alive was the stupidest move ever. Because guess what. I STILL HAVE LYNCH REDIRECT. I can redirect any lynch onto scum any time, Dunn revived TWO town. Drealm who I assume is your partner got loverized. If he isn't your partner, Frank is. It's one of the two. Good game.

[CommKnight]

Well on my scum reads Dunn. I'm really being read too literally here.

But leaving me alive means I can redirect the lynch onto them without them being able to play town.

[CommKnight]

PoE says you or Drealm made the shot. So 100% scum between you two.

[CommKnight]

Also you know what really backs up my theory? If I was wrong, scum would've hammered Drealm when they had the chance and autowin the game due to putting us in a 2v2 tomorrow (and my lynch redirect does not work in that scenario because that would break the game completely balance wise).

So scum literally just had a chance to hammer Drealm and take out the lover duo if both of them are indeed town. The fact they weren't hammered adds up to me nabbing both scum here.

VOTE: Drealm Take out the first one here and we get Yu tomorrow.

[CommKnight]

Also Yu, if you're indeed town, even you should come to the conclusion at least ONE scum is in the Frank/Drealm lover duo. We have TWO town flips and the person who revived them both. Then there's me, you and those two. If you're town, by PoE, at least one of Frank/Drealm is indeed scum. There's simply no way they aren't.

Because we must solve who made the shot N1, we know for sure Dunn didn't, nor did the two revived town. That's 3 people we know did not shoot. If there's 2 scum and we know ourselves to not be scum... that equals 100% 1 scum between Frank/Drealm. Like you can't even argue that!

[CommKnight]

Does anyone not see what I am saying here? Scum shot N1, we know the two revived town didn't shoot. Dunn is the ONLY person to have claimed to revive them, so he sure as hell didn't shoot.

That leaves myself, Yu and Drelm/Frank duo. Now then, remember I can send the mod a message and redirect lynch, if I were scum and the two of Frank/Drealm being town, then this game would ENDGAME because I would be unstoppable. So that rules me out, but it leaves Dunn, Drealm and Frank. Now we know one of them made the shot and from my previous statement if Frank/Drealm were a town loverized pair, this game would already be over. That means one of them must be scum and I essentially am bussing, but either way would equate to them being scum in that scenario. However, now assuming no WIFOMy gamble and I am 100% town here. That means it IS between the three of them.

Now here is my proposition. If Frank/Drealm are scum together and faking a loverized pair to make an all or nothing bet that town would not lynch them, then it will be shown when Drealm flips scum and Frank does not flip with him. If they aren't scum together, at least ONE of them is scum. This is non-negotiable because of my statement at the beginning of me being able to control lynch if they were indeed both town and this would be ENDGAME already.

When they flip and we find out if they're both scum gambiting on the lover pair or if only one of them is scum, then we can 1v1 me and Yu tomorrow for the second scum.

Dunn, Momo, McMenno are all cleared. Those who do not think so are really over guessing this game and trying to complicate it in their heads.

[CommKnight]

Let's look at it shall we?

- McMenno

- drealmerz7

- momo

- YuMightBeIrrational (3-headed hydra of Yume, Cerberus v666 and Drixx)
- CommKnight

- FrankJaeger

- Dunnstral

Today Drealm and Frank die. With them, at least one scum dies. I have explained this already. This is non-negotionable, scum dies today.

That leaves 1v4. 2 of which are cleared. Which we know one will die and then they leave the gambit of a 50/50 of me redirecting lynch onto them tomorrow. Their best option is to kill me tonight and then convince McMenno and momo to lynch between you and Dunn (whichever is scum and whichever is town). Dunn revived them, so lynching you would be 100% if Dunn was scum gambiting on resurrecting two town for that MYLO. Not killing me leaves him having to convince me that he's town vs you.

So the optimal play for scum now is to bus the one on the Drealm/Frank lover pair and then kill me in the night and try to mislynch tomorrow.

No matter the outcome today, it is optimal for scum to off me tonight. Because I pose a danger to them tomorrow.

Either way, I'm set on Yu being the second scum so he must off me if he is indeed scum because it will be a death sentence for him to do otherwise. If Dunn leaves me alive, he RISKS me redirecting a lynch to him. So even he must off me tonight if he is scum. Either way, I must be killed tonight for scum to have a chance at winning. But that is all WIFOMy stuff. For now, we lynch the lover duo and get on with it. Tomorrow if scum leaves me alive, they will lose.

[CommKnight]

We should lynch the hydra slot first.

There is the slim possibility both Frank and Drealm are scum together gambiting on the lover claim. However, there is NO possibility that exists where both of them are town.

[CommKnight]

Do you Drealm? It's on you right now. So regardless of who's "chosen". You die today. Think about it this way. Dunn is cleared because if they were scum, they'd hammer and simply kill ONE person tonight and win. I am also clear because my ability would ENDGAME it right now (because of being able to force anyone I want to die today and kill another in the night if I were scum). No, that leaves the lover duo and Yu. No matter how you swing it, ONE or BOTH scum are in the Frank/Drealm. That is fact.

[CommKnight]

Hey Yu, when I'm proven today, you realize tomorrow you hang eh? Especially if I use my power now, there's no "maybe it's Dunn". It's 100% on you.

[CommKnight]

Actually it does have a lot to do with alignment. If I were scum, the game would be set in stone because ENDGAME would be unavoidable at this point. Actually the fact scum want to force me to use my power today indicates they plan on trying to push me as scum tomorrow, which isn't going to fly.

[CommKnight]

Only way to stop me is to kill me Yu. Tonight I use my power on you and if I don't die, I'll be able to out you tomorrow.

[CommKnight]

Yeah... I'm changing both my vote and who my ability is being used on today.

VOTE: Yu

1.) I know I'm town, and because of my ability you get no say in this.
2.) By PoE you are scum.
3.) When you flip red, scum will be forced to kill me tonight or face me tomorrow.

Goodbye. You get no more say.

[CommKnight]

Also with this, when you flip red, there can be no argument that I'm scum, for if I were, I'd not bus my partner and throw away an auto-win (since by PoE, lover pair would be both town and I could use my ability on any of the other three).

Seriously, I'm loving these powers the mod gave me. Because once I figured it out, SCUM CAN'T STOP ME.

[CommKnight]

[CommKnight]

Yep, Yu & Drealm team confirmed. They're scum and can't see how they're wrong. Pushing me is a stupid move when I control the lynch and just causes them to out themselves. Sorry but you lost guys. Also Drealm, yes... if you and Frank are town and Dunn was mafia, he would hammer you and kill one person, then he and his partner are 50% of population and win.

That's cold hard fact.

[CommKnight]

@commknight how many shots does your ability have

Just one. I'd prefer to use it tomorrow or when it looks like scum is manipulating votes (or like they currently are trying to). They're trying to FORCE me to use it so I can't use it on them. Think about that. Why would town force me to use the ability? Especially after I showed PoE proof that we have 1 scum in the lover pair at least and Yu is more than likely the second scum.

It'd be helpful if town sees through what they are trying to do but it's not going to work. Yu dies today and when he flips red, the lover pair is up next to get the other one between Frank/Drealm (Which I assume Drealm is the scummy in the duo, think about everyone's powers as well, and his is a basic watcher?)

Then let's go to Yu's claim, as if alignments are changing in this game. I don't think so, Dunn has been up front and it'd be stupid to revive TWO town back as scum. That and it still begs the question, who shot you N1? It wasn't you Momo or Dunn. Which for me leaves the other 3. Honestly, I feel like I caught both scum already, just waiting for town to catch up and be active. Do not let Drealm or Yu control your actions.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: CommKnight

I'm getting real tired of the inactivity.

Time to kill a scummy.

[CommKnight]

I definitely feel slighted in regards to "interesting abilities"

what's that about, zzzx?

though it does make sense for the rest of the roles to have a simple watcher

but boo

I want cool stuff!

What number did you pick? I picked 9.

[CommKnight]

Well my guess is? Hidden mechanics. (I'm sure everyone got one).

[CommKnight]

Also just so ya'll know, Yu flips tonight. I'm using my power on Dunn to check him tonight.

[CommKnight]

Because, it causes WIFOM. In case you're wondering, the ability checks to see if the person was a part of any QT during the game. The lovers have a QT... but we'll see if Dunn has one.

[CommKnight]

You'll see come tomorrow. Either way, we got him trapped. If you are town, you can watch me. But to off you means I out him tomorrow if he is using a QT (which would signify scum since it isn't the lover QT).

[CommKnight]

Also I am confident in Yu flipping scum. Basically all his roles are investigative... He used it N1 on Momo to see if alignment changed (really? Why check N1? Think it happened in the day???) But what about his N2 investigative action? Nothing? Yep, red flips today.

[CommKnight]

Mod is inactive it seems for now. I hammered myself and Frank's vote makes L:-1.

[CommKnight]

Let's start with the fact that I redirected the lynch. Now let's say I redirect the lynch onto the lover pair and then shoot Drealm or any of the other confirmed townie. It would've been Yu and me vs two town and it'd be ENDGAME (like I mentioned before). There'd be no reason for me to spare the lover duo yesterday. It would be auto-win if I were scum.

Also Drealm, I used my ability on you last night, it does not check if anyone was in a QT, that was a shot-bait for Dunn to shoot me if he were the other scum. No, my ability prevents you from speaking aside from voting. I've messaged the mod to make sure it went through, but if it did, you already breached the limits which means you're already dead.

Now to go onto why I wasn't afraid of McMenno visiting me or why I've been trying to draw the mafia shot. I'm unkillable at night. Which I assume the mafia strongman is the only thing that could break through (and if so, he was limited shot).

Between all three of my powers, I'd be stupidly powerful as mafia. Also my third ability explains why there was a Strongman in the first place. In case you didn't figure it out Drealm, this is ENDGAME for you. The only way you can win is to direct a mislynch on me by getting them to believe you. But hey, you didn't even VOTE me after claiming I'm mafia. So it shows how set in stone you are about your stance.

VOTE: Drealm

Frank did a good job loverizing a mafia, because it put him in a bad position. He can't kill me and he can't kill Frank without killing himself. I was originally planning on checking McMenno, Momo and Dunn to see if faction alignments changed because of this fact that you can't kill me. But you outed yourself with a fake result and not only that, but Yu's claim was the only one to suggest there even being a cult or some faction switching. But guess what, he was lying and was scum.

Now I've got you pegged against the wall with three main things.

- I would've ENDGAMED it yesterday if I were scum and you and Frank were "town".
- Your results lie since I visited you, not Dunn.
- You have breaked the limits of what my power does to you, thus I am expecting the mod to come back in and punish you for it. As, it would be unfair to town if mafia were just allowed to ignore our abilities.

[CommKnight]

@McMenno, I'm laughing at his attempt. He DOES realize I could've redirected it onto any town and killed the lover pair for an auto-win if I were mafia, right? Like pushing me is stupid because I'm all but mod-confirmed as town. His constant posting though that have yet to actually vote me (lol, gonna claim I'm mafia and not vote me?) is him not even committed into it.

Either way, I caught both scum and even called them both out (even sent a PM to mod saying they both would flip red for my wager of who was mafia this game). So just waiting for Frank or momo to hammer this. Not sure what your real ability is Drealm, but it sure as hell ain't watcher.

[CommKnight]

I got three powers. Just three. One I used (which you claim i used it to kill a mafia buddy, which makes zero sense since I could've used it on you and then killed another townie in the night to win). My second ability I used on you which you are still breaking the limits of, so I'm awaiting to hear back from the mod, because that's unfair if mafia can ignore our abilities completely. The third ability I was trying to draw the mafia shot, but they keep picking stupid targets.

Also where would you go from here Drealm? Let's say you managed to lynch me, there's TWO confirmed town + the lover slot left.

Also, McMenno, what did you do for the past 2 nights? We never got results of those did we?

[CommKnight]

But you are scum, you already shown me that when you said I visited Dunn, when in fact I visited you. Not only that, but you claimed no one else visited Dunn. Which leaves you being the only person to actually visit Dunn by your own admission.

So yeah, you've been caught. Still awaiting the mod to reply back though. He better not have messed up.

[CommKnight]

@McMenno, still awaiting your results by the way. You've had two nights we don't know what happened. Who did you visit and did you get any results back?

[CommKnight]

Your logic makes zero sense. Now why would I, as scum, claim I would visit Dunn with a watcher active to kill him AFTER a day where I redirected a lynch onto scum rather than lynching a townie and winning? That would be playing against my win-con and would have me force replaced.

Did you really think any of this through? You killed Dunn, the only other iffy person left alive right now. You can't win now. Everyone else is confirmed and your theory you're trying to sell the town is a load of shit. Not only that, but wouldn't I be "revealed as scum" last night when I supposedly visited Dunn? Other than that it seems like you're grasping at straws and trying to cause a mislynch with some of the worst logic I've seen in a long time.

It's also funny, while I redirected the lynch to Yu, you avoided really talking about him much or if at all. You helped him force me to use my redirect ability. You might as well self hammer Drealm, you can't win. You're up against 4 town, one who even has you loverized.

The other two you've tried, with Yu, to say they were recruited as cult/another faction. Anything to draw the heat away from yourselves but it doesn't work. I got you both. You've lost.

Fastposted by McMenno, hmm, wonder what your N3 did then.

[CommKnight]

@McMenno, I'm chuckling at his attempt to paint me as scum, he didn't even think this scenario through. Even if I died today, he'd die tomorrow because he can't lynch the lover (or die) or the confirmed town (because they're confirmed).

Then you have me, who is all but confirmed because I would easily end the game by now if I were scum.

[CommKnight]

you're obviously in super-try hard mode

you argue that I have horrible logic, no, I just haven't been "writing a story" the entire game, all I have are my pieces to the puzzle and the things I know and all I can do is try to figure out the rest of it

by GUESSING

If you really seen me visit Dunn, you wouldn't need to "guess".

You still can't even explain why I'd redirect lynch onto scum and play against my win-con. It makes absolutely zero sense.

I'm done here though, your logic makes zero sense because it would be playing against my win-con for what? Creating theater? Momo and Frank will see what I'm saying. McMenno already sees it.

[CommKnight]

Again, why the hell kill my own buddy instead of ending the game since that would be against my win-con? You have to explain that to the three of them. WHY would I kill my own buddy in a situation that we'd win? EXPLAIN THAT. I'm confirmed town at this point because of that. Now you're trying to say you seen me kill Dunn (who again, why would I visit him after announcing I would with a "watcher" alive?)

I'm not sure if mod will kill you, but it's bullshit if scum is allowed to ignore town powers.

I mean seriously, Frank knows what he has to do, he caught scum with his loverizing ability, and thanks to him, we know he caught scum. How can you explain anything with me being scum? XDDD I feel bad for you, I really do, but you and Yu did not pull that off very well.

Come on, let's hear your full theory on why I redirected a lynch onto my partner to avoid winning the game early. I'm waiting.

[CommKnight]

I don't need to guess because you outed yourself to me. I can actually put together a puzzle with missing pieces. Also when did mafia faction EVER have to use all their abilities to win the game? Mafia's ONLY win-con is to be majority or be at a point where their majority/win cannot be denied.

Otherwise they'd be third party. So are you arguing I'm third party and Yu was the only mafia? Do you think it'd make sense to have a 9 player game with only 1 mafia?

You shouldn't need to guess if you really are town. That action would be playing against my win-con as mafia and you know it.

[CommKnight]

I also asked the mod and he said everything is working normally. So either you're Mafia Roleblocker or McMenno's ability somehow negated my own.

Either way, you're being lynched today Drealm. There's no way you can twist it where I redirect it onto him. I mean hell, I could've redirected it onto you and we could've not shot in the night with TWO alive if I needed to use all my abilities (which that win-con still makes zero sense).

Frank, let's clean this game up and drop the hammer. You did your part by loverizing scum and creating this scenario that proves who the scum is. Just do it unless you got some real questions for it. McMenno agrees and Momo is still inactive (can we seriously prod him please???)

[CommKnight]

Oh wow, I never noticed the 24 hours thing... AGAIN... God damn it Drealm, your ability is OP but it'll be the death of you today. You're at L1 and less than 4 hours left before you flip.

[CommKnight]

Also if there is another day after you flip scum, I will lynch Mod. XD Seriously, I know you're scum because you lied about results. I don't know why my ability didn't work but he confirmed to me that it isn't working. And this dark winds thing is kinda BS since we have players who don't even post daily, let alone every 2 days...

[CommKnight]

You tell me, it wasn't my ability. Also your theory would not fit me having it since I need to use all of my powers to win? Then why would I have this ability twice???

Nope, this is you. Unless it's the mod or a third party messing with us.

[CommKnight]

You got under 3 hours to mislynch me. Not gonna happen. So Good Game scum, but I nailed ya.

[CommKnight]

A whole whooping 29 posts from McMenno and 27 posts from Momo, most of them D1 or D2. D3 and D4 they were rather silent. Once it was proven Yu was lying I felt pretty damn comfortable there was no cult or the like in the game.

I think out of all the town roles in the game, mine had the most power even though I only picked 9.

Also is there gonna be role PM's, actions, etc posted?

[CommKnight]

It also made your power anti-town and thus took away from town's overall power. It'd require me in the position I was in (with mafia strongman dead) and at least two other town to push a zombie lynch. AND it required the loverizer to loverize the mafia like he did. It required too much luck for a 5v4. Especially in a game where one of the third parties managed to out themselves, but if they hadn't then they would be more and more powerful as days gone by.

Then on top of that, a scum player who could reduce the time in the day to 24 hours where inactive players. The low activity was also kinda bull.

[CommKnight]

Lol, I had the hydra pegged for a while. It was the lover pair I was unsure about. I was 100% confident in you flipping scum based on PoE. I was less sure of the lover pair having one (heck, I even played with the idea of Frank being a 3rd party loverizer who needed to survive to ENDGAME with their selected person).

Honestly this game was broken the moment Dunn revived them and they became paired into a zombie faction. Town needing to rely on scum and Char to lynch zombies and then just die off themselves? LOL not gonna happen.

Also the activity this game was less than ideal. In a more active game we would've at least had more active town. Dunn was really the only active townie in the game. (Other than Screenplay who met a quick end N2).

But yeah, summarized isn't what I'm looking for, I'm curious about the full details behind the roles and actions and what Char's quests were (with rewards). As well as a list of what McMenno's random abilities are. (Or was everything just made up on the spot?)

[CommKnight]

Furthermore, town really had next to 0 PRs. Momo was practically useless. (Seriously, what use is knowing the number someone picked when most outed it publicly anyway? Not like it was alignment indicative or we even knew which roles would be under which numbers when they were 100% random). Screenplay basically can just be mod confirmed town, nothing more. Frank's loverizer can be completely anti-town if he hit a townie with it. Dunn's you knew you were going to screw up somehow. (The zombies being practically game breaking). Then McMenno who never knew what his ability would do and ended up being rather useless town roles as well.

I mean perhaps I'm biased here... but I was the only real town PR we had that could benefit town. Everything else was more anti-town/useless to figuring out factions. Without the evil king theory, there was no real way to tell Char was evil. Drealm and Yu just stroke bad luck with Drealm using his ability early and causing the question as to who used it (since I could account for the rest of the players doing something other than him and Yu). Which, was their killer moment right there.

But zombies? That just broke the game. I mean by D2, town was outnumbered. Which seems to be a theme in all the bastard games I play on here. I can accept cults, jesters and the like. But outnumbering town with all town alive (well 2 converted)? Hell nah.

[CommKnight]

ZZZX, I think this was probably a great learning experience for your next bastard game, and I look forward to playing it!

I don't mean to sound so "bah! negative", I just felt like we/I had no chance

probably was stupid of me to kill dunnstral but I was afraid that if I killed one of the rezzed that they WOULD flip town even though in my deeper brain I was like "there is no way it is possible they can be town", I had a lot of thoughts about their flips being lies and then

I was going to have NO chance to sell commknight as scum the next Day

Hehe, no offense, but you had no chance of selling me as scum. I mean you could've got my lynch due to the others being anti-town as well, but definitely would not make sense for me to leave the lovers alive and kill my own partner. I was sitting there laughing when I was arguing you that point. Because being realistic, if I were scum, I could've endgamed the town if it was me and Yu and I had the abilities that I did.

[CommKnight]

Haha, I might not be the traditional mafia player, but Char is right. Once you're in my scope, you either kill me or eat rope. Simply no other alternative.