Micro 728: Perfect Blue Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Dark Horse]

VOTE: Creature

Last game I played here like six months ago he was scum, ergo he's probably scum here

[Dark Horse]

Cloud why did you only mention your reads once creature mentioned his reads?

[Dark Horse]

Cloud why did you only mention your reads once creature mentioned his reads?

You mean, why did i ask creature after #40 and not #30? Its because at the time he poster #40 creature was active and posting and i just wanted to engage with him

Fair enough

Tone wise i hated almost every prism's post and it has nothing to do with the miller claim

Disagree, I feel like his tone is far more relaxed than a scum fake claiming miller (which is almost always a ballsy move) tends to be.

UNVOTE: Creature

Creature wagon attempt was dumb, idk why aristo would target one of the more active people in this game for an early wagon.

VOTE: Massive

[Dark Horse]

I don't think the creature wagon was dumb, funny vote by ari imo

Well yeah of corse you'd think that considering you were voting him first lmao

More people should get on massive. Schadd too but like metaphorically as he's already at L-2 and I really don't want to see someone get lolhammered this early in the game.

[Dark Horse]

schadd why the vote on dunn?

[Dark Horse]

Creature wagon attempt was dumb, idk why aristo would target one of the more active people in this game for an early wagon.

I take it you'd rather target one of the LESS active people in this game for an early wagon?
VOTE: Dark Horse

Yes because it prevents people from coasting by in the early game.

Terrible terrible post. More people should vote massive

[Dark Horse]

More people should get on massive. Schadd too but like metaphorically as he's already at L-2 and I really don't want to see someone get lolhammered this early in the game.

Don't be so salty that someone called you out and now you can't lurk

[Dark Horse]

(I mean I know you can't say "he's my scumbuddy" but at least make up something.)

Way to try and paint the two people who are scum reading you as scumbuddies. Laaaame

[Dark Horse]

Oh my god:

1) It's been only a couple of hours since you started posting, and no one else has posted since wemve gone back and forth. I don't why you immediatley assume that I haven't gotten support, let other people post before you say that
2) You made one post and it was on saturday, so i don't see why I should have assumed that you're not online on weekends.. Self-metaing was dumb
3) I wasn't scumreading you for being in active. I noticed that you and shaad were the only ones who hadn't contributed anything meaningful to rhe game yet. I've already explained why I voted you and not shad (Quit repeating this bullshit about me not explaining it, you and I both know that's not true). I was hoping that a pressure vote would cause you to contribute to the game (Pressuring insctives to do stuff is not a radical concept, look at the people who were coting shadd). And then once I voted you,

you proceed to immediatley lash out and vote vote me, and try to paint me as scum with the other guy tht's suspecting you, with bs reasons

. THAT'S why you're scum. Compare that to the way shadd reacted to being L-2: contributing to the rest of the game without completley freaking out. You haven't commented on anything that's not about people scumreading you.

Get off your high horse

[Dark Horse]

I still can't get over the fact that you said "you'e getting no backup" when nobody else has posted yet. Like jesus, how arrogant do you have to be to think that people will immediately side with you because of who you are?

[Dark Horse]

Voting for pressure to see if someone's scum is different than voting someone because you think they're scum. I wanted to see if you would talk if people were voting you. Then once you started talking I found what you were saying to be really scummy, so I'm keeping the vote on you. If you would have responded better I would have taken the vote off.

Trying to put pressure on an inactive player to see if they come out of the woodwork isn't a rare concept.

[Dark Horse]

Do you think the people who voted schadd were scumreading him for being inactive?

[Dark Horse]

I even asked you point blank if you were voting for me because I was a less active player and you agreed.

My answer on #77 was based on you not posting. Everything since then, including the second line of 77, has been me finding your actual posts scummy.

[Dark Horse]

Do you think the people who voted schadd were scumreading him for being inactive?

I have no idea why Creature voted for him, but he's notoriously bad at being transparent and also a bit notoriously bad. He's obviously differentiating between me and Schadd (40) so I doubt it. Tarkus looks like RVS (since his only real statement is "don't want to be on a wagon this early") and Prism looks the opposite, like he ONLY wants to be on wagons, so I doubt that either of them have a solid Schadd-related reason for voting him.

What do you think?

See like I can understand putting pressure on a guy if he's known for being an easy player to read under pressure, but I don't think that's necessarily scum reading. My point is that if a guy hasn't made an posts yet, the only way you can scum read him is if you think inactivity's scummy. That's why I think most of the people voting for him were doing so to pressure an inactive slot rather than vote a scumread. Granted, I feel like discussing what the guys on schadd's wagon were thinking won't be necessary if the guys on the wagon share their thoughts on it

Everything since then, including the second line of 77, has been me finding your actual posts scummy.

Can you clarify this? Because 77 is your post so I'm not sure what in it you would find scummy about me.

I meant my thoughts towards you, so like everything I've said starting with the second line in 77 is in the context of me thinking that your posts were scummy, while everything before that is me pressuring you because you hadn't been posting. So when you were asking me about wagoning a less inactive player I was talking in the context of putting pressure on an inactive slot to see if they would start talking.

[Dark Horse]

That's a really shady summary of my post.

So what's the actual reason for voting shadd then

[Dark Horse]

The game is serious

[Dark Horse]

There's still stuff to talk about. Really disappointed with the lack of input from people that aren't me or massive

[Dark Horse]

Dark Hose's #80 is overly forceful for my taste and doesn't read great

I mean I do think there's an element of him thinking he could coast and retaliating to his actions. I think he thought I would be a much easier lynch.

[Dark Horse]

Because I fit townread him. We have limited experience but I believe it to be town

What makes you think that he's town?

[Dark Horse]

Ok, what do you think makes his posts town oriented?

[Dark Horse]

Shchadd what specific things are you talking about wrt your scumreads? You say that those reads are based off of things they have/haven't done meta wise, but you actually haven't told anyone what those things are

On the contrary, I think massive's statements are NAI at worst, and I think Dark Horse's reaction to them was unnaturally strong, in particular actually scumreading massive and saying he needs to be pressured more.

I consider being overly defensive either a noobtown tell or a scum tell, and I really doubt massive's noobtown. Plus the way he approached lynching me seems like he was looking for an easy lynch (There's a noticeable tone difference after I actually started replying to what he said), which is also scummy

Dunn what made you change your mind on creature?

[Dark Horse]

idk what to do rn.

You could play mafia

[Dark Horse]

Really don't like how creature went form being decently active during rvs to almost completley disappearing once the game actually got going

[Dark Horse]

Lmao that ninja

[Dark Horse]

Ari are you ever going to explain what you think shadd is town?

I'm actually not posting much because someway I feel like schadd is scum, but I don't know what I'll do. He already posted, but I'm not convinced, so I'm most likely voting to lynch at this point.

Jesus this post is so noncomittal

[Dark Horse]

his posts looks genuine

Agreed, 174 in particular feels incredibly honest

[Dark Horse]

Idk I just don't really see 174 feeling like it came from scum. I feel like he'd be way less frustrated if he was scum, like "w/e prism's still townreading me we good" instead of having a mini outburst

[Dark Horse]

VOTE: Creature

Massive's recent activity has been pretty townie and creature continues to disappoint

[Dark Horse]

What do you think about schadd?

He still hasn't explained his reads on dunn and massive which I really don't like. He needs to get in this thread

[Dark Horse]

Nah he posted like "You said something that I say when I'm scum" wrt Massive, then later comes back saying that dunn hasn't done something that he does according to his town meta. He has yet to explain what he was talking about with those reads

[Dark Horse]

Somebody man up and hammer

Or give a reason we shouldn't

There's nobody at L-1? Creature and Shadd both have 3 votes unless I missed something.

[Dark Horse]

What about cloudkicker/dunn?

[Dark Horse]

Two cancelled flights and one bailed wedding later yallready know it's mafia time.

Prism how on earth are you townreading aristo? Dude has more posts like this than he does actual content.

Creature's reasons for schadd are weak. Activity meta is one of the laziest excuses for scumhunting there is. That plus his earlier non-committal stuff makes his push on schadd feel very half-assed

[Dark Horse]

Just because massive said it doesn't me I agree with him

I've seen several games in my time where a townie can't play to his normal activity level for certain reasons, to assume that the person must be scum because they're not posting is weak.

[Dark Horse]

No he's not? I just looked it up

[Dark Horse]

Oh lmao I don't have speakeasy access. When I looked him up all his recent posts were in this thread

[Dark Horse]

What are your thoughts on aristo?

[Dark Horse]

What do you mean in 265?

[Dark Horse]

Back at it boys eskeddit

Yeah I don't think schadd's scum. His reads are surprisignly in depth and I don't see him still suspecting dunn if he's scum.

Aristo for example is completely able to post as scum but for some reason generally chooses not to, making it a pretty big tell even if it occasionally happens as town.

Isn't this exactly what he's doing this game?

[Dark Horse]

His reads don't really make sense to fake though. Why would he go so in depth with saying dunn's scum, considering there hasn't been any other pushes towards dunn this whole game? It's not reads I see scum at L-1 trying to fake.

[Dark Horse]

Do you think Dunnstral is scum then?

Not really, schadd's posts feel more like a townie being wrong then scum trying to push a ML

[Dark Horse]

Like when you're at L-1 as scum I feel like self preservation is way more important than ambitious pushes

[Dark Horse]

This game is drag.

I disliked the way creature transitioned from active during rvs to lurking in post-rvs, and once people start noticing his lurking, he starts to half-ass a push on shadd (Does 169 sound like he's confident in the push at all?), who was the only other wagon at the time. Even now that shadd's posted he's still trying to discredit his posts. It feels like he's playing with self peservation in mind.

[Dark Horse]

What were those reads?

[Dark Horse]

Shit yeah I missed that post.

Why were you scumrading tarkus and shadd by that point?

[Dark Horse]

So you developed weak reads on people based off of meta and rvs and decided that was good enough to coast until people started voting you? Yeah I don't buy it

[Dark Horse]

this is similar to the criticism people are making of me. what makes me different?

Your reads seem a lot more in depth than creature's intial reads

Really really dislike the way this tarkus wagon sprung up, especially the way aristo hopped on. I'd be down to lynch either creature or aristo.

[Dark Horse]

I strongly disagree

[Dark Horse]

Are you kidding me creature? You jumping on tarkus out of nowhere with little time left in the day was the whole reason we were in that situation in the first place.

VOTE: Creature

Calling my scumread stupid isn't going to change my read on you

[Dark Horse]

So I'm almost certain there was scum on tarkus wagon. 5 townies don't suddenly change their mind on who they want to wagon so close to the deadline.

Out of those, cloudkicker was the only one to show a coherent thought process before voting him, while prisms vote seems to be focused on preventing a no lynch. Ergo I think there's def scum in creature/aristo/schadd.

[Dark Horse]

I don't judge meta based off of one game. If anything you were active in rvs before moving to the background once the game actually got moving, which is what you were doing here until people started voting you

[Dark Horse]

Like do you really expect me to think you're town just because you didn't replace out this game?

[Dark Horse]

Oh boy you pulled out the self meta card.

[Dark Horse]

Self meta is atrocious. Trying to base meta off of one game is meaningless

[Dark Horse]

Believe me I'm scumreading you you for way more than your self meta.

Self meta doesn't mean anything.

[Dark Horse]

why did you ask cloudkicker what he thought of me mid day 1?

[Dark Horse]

Some players in this game already overrate meta enough, I see no reason to try and encourage that.

So why did you start doubting your townread on me?

[Dark Horse]

Aristo you literally didn't mention tarkus as scum the post where you voted him

[Dark Horse]

Why when I stopped posting as much?

Creature you literally tried to say that flaking was part of your self meta. If flaking and replacing out is a realiable part of your scum meta then you really shouldn't be playing mafia. It's possible to put in effort as both alignments

[Dark Horse]

The thing is, what you did in vanillite is the same as what you did at the stsrt of this game: Acive during rvs, then die down in activity and prwsence once the game actually gets going. The only difference is that in vanillite you replaced out before people started voting you

[Dark Horse]

Instead of pulling up past games you should try convincing me that you're town in this game.

What are your thoughts on the other people who were on the tarkus wagon?

[Dark Horse]

I don't see how your activity pattern in kingdom hearts could be exclusivley town play. Activity levels like that would be pretty easy to replicate as scum

[Dark Horse]

That doesn't really mean much though. If anything it makes it worse. Why didn't you mention your read on tarkus until the wagon was already starting to form?

[Dark Horse]

Creature what are your thoughts on the other people on tarkus' wagon?

[Dark Horse]

514 was directed toward aristo.

You're townreading prism off his miller claim?

[Dark Horse]

Also why did you stop townreading me when I wasn't posting as much?

[Dark Horse]

Tunneling? By that point I had already switch from massive to you

[Dark Horse]

Aristo you were posting a lot d1 though, even though a decent amount wasn't scumhunting. Why didn't you at leadt gove some mention to your tarkus read before coting him?

[Dark Horse]

His reasoning for going insctive after rvs was weak.

His push on schadd was bad. Felt half hassed, like he cared more about deflecting his wagon that actually scumhunting.

His vote on tarkus pretty much came out of nowhere, as the last time he had talked about tarkus was during rvs.

Now he's trying to blame me for what happened yesterday, and seems to want me lynched because I'm scumreading him more than him thinking i'm scum

[Dark Horse]

Then it would made him look worse. When I say his push was bad, part of what I'm talking about is that he seemed very indecisive with pushing schadd (He made a whole post where he's like "Idk, I guess I think schadd's scummy"). His indecisiveness would make sense if schadd was his scumbuddy that he didn't want to push but had to because he didn't have any scumreads at that point (schadd scum was what he started focusing on after massive and voted him) and schadd was the only other wagon available

[Dark Horse]

You should've known keeping activity consistent all time is very hard. I expected town!you to be more aware someone's activity will likely decrease regardless of alignment.

I'm talking about your justification that you already had reads from rvs. I don't buy that, townies don't assume that their rvs reads are good enough to take a backseat.

I had a good case imo for schadd. You hating that case doesn't make my push half-assed.

There's not being sure of a scumread and then there's being blatantly noncommital like you were. I disagree that your push on schadd was good, I don't buy your claims that shadd was faking his reads, plus activity meta is a really weak reason for pushing someone

I wanted to sort him someway.

You wanted to sort him so close to the deadline? And you're blaming me for why we almost had a no lynch?

I found it likely you'd be scum tunneling me for towncred. Plus, I should stop giving everyone who scumreads me a free pass, specially because scum may just keep you alive and then they'll have a good asset on their side.

I don't get your tunneling accusations, considering d1 I had suspected you massive and aristo. This doesn't change the fact that you seem far more interested in lynching me because I scumread you than because you think I'm scum, which is blatant self preservation.

[Dark Horse]

Null/lean scum. I liked how he reacted under pressure and was town reading him for a decent amount d1 but I really don't like how he hopped on the tarkus wagon, like creature and aristo.

[Dark Horse]

I didn't take a backseat, I'd still talk about them. I had reads so I bothered less to do sorting and rather wanted to wait what others had to say.

You didn't really talk about the though. You had like 2 posts out of 100 when the game started getting out of rvs. You didn't comment or address anything related to the game at that point such as prism vs cloudkicker or massive vs me. Are you telling me that stuff like that didn't have an effect on your rvs reads

Also, activity meta is a really strong reason to

push

someone. If you think someone is unusually inactive, you gotta push them.

My PoE is growing tinier and I feel like that whoever I wagon will be to lynch rather than sort.

I'm actually not posting much because someway I feel like schadd is scum, but I don't know what I'll do. He already posted, but I'm not convinced, so I'm most likely voting to lynch at this point.

This looks like more than just pushing to me

Plus I stated multiple times I had intent to return to schadd.

...which you clearly never followed through with. Actions speak louder than words

[Dark Horse]

Creature instead of trying to get me lynched because of my scum read you cloud try actually convincing me you're town. I've changed my mind on people in this game before, you've just done a bad job at defending yourself

[Dark Horse]

I'm a 1-shot cop

Have you used it yet?

[Dark Horse]

Dunn what do you think of aristo's posts this day phase?

[Dark Horse]

You had voted him near the end of yesterday but you hadn't mentioned him yet this day phase. I was wondering if you had changed your mind on him.

[Dark Horse]

Well at least now I know that your cop result's off.

Why didn't you start the day off pushing me if you got a guilty?

[Dark Horse]

Prism mostly because it would have been super easy to just have the town no lynch then, and have the exact same discussion next day phase

[Dark Horse]

Why didn't you start the day off pushing me if you got a guilty?

[Dark Horse]

Damn this dark horse guy is scummy as fuck

VOTE: dark horse

[Dark Horse]

I'm going to win

And so you did

Good game everyone. S/o to prism and dunn for ballin out