Micro 211: Cracking Idea Mafia (Game over!)

[Antagon]

Micro 211: Cracking Idea Mafia

Spoiler: Opening Flavor

Blah blah blah aliens blah blah blah conspiracy blah blah blah goo blah blah blah Mafia blah blah blah death blah blah blah whatever.

Spoiler: Alive

Mutleyddmc
anorway
BROseidon

Spoiler: Dead

Mr E Roll,

Bulletproof Mafia Goon

, was lynched Day 1.
Who,

Town Roleblocker

, was killed by the

Red Goo

Night 1.
PedroPony,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed Night 2.
Redelphic,

Town Hider

, was killed Night 2.
JerryArr,

Town Mason

, was lynched Day 3.
Wisodm,

Red Goo

, was lynched Day 4.

Spoiler: Modkilled

Hopefully none.

Spoiler: Important Events

Day 1 begins.
Day 2 begins.
Day 3 begins.
Day 4 begins.
Endgame.

[Antagon]

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[Antagon]

This setup is Cracking Idea Mafia.
Each player is given two roles randomly chosen from the list and must pick one. The other role is discarded.
The setup will be rerolled if town-aligned players do not compose at least 50% of the town or if there are no anti-town factions.

Mafia

have night talk and a factional night kill. They win once they compose 50% of the town.

Aliens

have night talk and a 1-shot factional night kill. They win once they compose 50% of the town.

Goo

have night talk and no factional kill. They win if they survive to endgame. Goo will override any other factions' win conditions.

All roles have been selected.

[Antagon]

Role Discards:
Wisdom - Universal Backup
Redelphic - Area 51 Detective
Mr E Roll - Jack of All Trades
Mutleyddmc - Ugly Townie
anorway - Compulsive Roleblocker
Who - Mafia Goon
JerryArr - Conspiracy Theorist
PedroPony - Mafia Goon
BROseidon - Vanilla Townie.

Day 1 begins now. The deadline is August 15, 11:00 AM PDT, or in (expired on 2013-08-15 11:00:00)

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Mr E Roll
Last time this setup ran the one who discarded JOAT was scum, and it makes sense why. Why would you discard JOAT?

The rest of the discards don't tell me much.

[BROseidon]

Wtf I'm the only one who discarded VT? Either you all are boring or I am just unlucky

VOTE: Mr E Roll

Wisdom's logic makes sense.

Also, <3 wagons.

[Wisdom]

Well two of them discarded Vanilla Mafia (Goons).
Which usually is an alert of them picking something better, but still anti-town. After Mr E Roll, they are my top guesses right now.

[anorway]

Wouldn't the ones who discarded Mafia Goons select a better scum role?

VOTE: Who

[Wisdom]

That's exactly what I said in the post above that.
Why do you suspect those over the one who discarded JOAT though, anorway?

[Wisdom]

And why Who over PedroPony?

[anorway]

Since they selected a better scum role they must be scum, right?

P-Edit: Oh, that was just random.

[Wisdom]

How are you so sure that they didn't select a town role over Mafia Goon?

And you didn't answer me, why do you suspect these two over Mr E Roll, who discarded a JOAT, one of the best town roles?

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: Mr E Roll

no mystery here you discarded Joat. Big no no

[BROseidon]

Well two of them discarded Vanilla Mafia (Goons).
Which usually is an alert of them picking something better, but still anti-town. After Mr E Roll, they are my top guesses right now.

Why the assumption that people prefer to play scum roles to town roles?

[Wisdom]

Probably because that's what I prefer, so I (wrongly) assume it holds true for everyone. Still, in a game like this with a lot of factions, having buddies is a plus over being town lost in the middle of who knows how many factions, so I think that people would choose a Mafia Goon over a town role. But that's a little speculative.

What do you make of anorway making the same assumption, but being much more certain about it (even to the extent of voting one of them over Mr E Roll)

[Mutleyddmc]

I agree very much with wisdom. In a game like this most would choose a scum role over a town role, unless the town role is super duper, see joat.

Therefore getting rid of joat is basically saying you are scum and a good scum role at that.

[Wisdom]

ftr, this is the previous Cracking Idea run.
There were 2 Mafia discards and 1 JOAT discard, like here; out of those, two were Mafia (One of the Mafia discards and the Joat)

Not saying that things are going to necessarily be the same, but it's likely.

[anorway]

How are you so sure that they didn't select a town role over Mafia Goon?

And you didn't answer me, why do you suspect these two over Mr E Roll, who discarded a JOAT, one of the best town roles?

Who would select town over scum though? I know some would, but the main reason many play Mafia in the first place is not to play as sheep trying to find black sheep while at the same time being colourblind, but to play as the black sheep in order to trick those stupid others. But still, it's a possibility they selected town roles, but I think it's plausible that at least one who discarded Mafia Goon was in favor of a better Mafia role.

I did answer you though:

Since they selected a better scum role they must be scum, right?

I agree that discarding JOAT is extremely weird. Aren't many more great town roles.

[Wisdom]

Yeah so apparenrly you are thinking like me regarding choices.

But again, does those who discarded Mafia Goons seem less suspicious than the one who discarded the JOAT?
There is a chance, however small, that those who discarded the Goons decided to be town.
For the JOAT however, there isn't much chance that he selected an even better town role.
Therefore? Doesn't the JOAT have more chances of selecting a scum role?

[Wisdom]

(By JOAT I mean the person who discarded the JOAT, obviously)

[Wisdom]

does those who discarded Mafia Goons seem less suspicious than the one who discarded the JOAT?

do those*
more suspicious*

Dunno what's wrong with me

[anorway]

Yeah, I agree there. There is a better chance for the (ex-)JoAT to be scum, but IMO those differences in chances are not too drastic compared to each other. But I'll just stick my vote on Who for the meanwhile, neither of the three have even posted yet. I could always vote Mr E Roll, but I'm not really comfortable with L-1 so early in the game, to be honest. I always get this strange feeling of some random person quickhammering.

[Mr E Roll]

VOTE: Mr E Roll
Last time this setup ran the one who discarded JOAT was scum, and it makes sense why. Why would you discard JOAT?

The rest of the discards don't tell me much.

I suspected that I might take some heat for discarding JOAT but I elected to go with a role that I preferred.

Well two of them discarded Vanilla Mafia (Goons).
Which usually is an alert of them picking something better, but still anti-town. After Mr E Roll, they are my top guesses right now.

Why is discarding Goon an anti-town alert?

And if it is an anti-town alert then why did you say earlier that the rest of the discards don’t tell you much?

Is there no town aligned role that would have caused you to discard JOAT?

I think you are trying to line up suspects based on how they selected roles that are randomly assigned. When you have no knowledge of what they actually kept.

VOTE: Wisdom

[Wisdom]

Very few roles are a better pick than JOAT.

Roles are not totally random when you have a pick on what you're getting. The discard pile tells us what you discarded, and that says a lot.

[Wisdom]

Very few roles are a better pick than JOAT.

Town

roles, that is.